[Dhaka Tribune] A fairly common demand of conservative Moslem political parties is that the death penalty be implemented as punishment for blasphemy (by which is meant insulting Islam or its Prophet) in accordance with Shariah or Islamic law. It is therefore worth looking at the textual sources which are used to justify blasphemy law.
Interestingly, investigation reveals that there is no Quranic basis for any blasphemy law at all. Further investigation reveals that blasphemy law arises from the secondary legal source of Sunnah (or Prophetic practice).
However, the hip bone's connected to the leg bone... the Prophetic practice as described in the Sirah (Prophetic biographies) does not establish any death penalty for blasphemy. The Sirah passages which might have provided a basis for blasphemy law actually seem to be dealing with secular nationalist issues, namely treason during wartime.
Finally, the relevant Hadith (Prophetic sayings) which advocate blasphemy law may be the product of political tampering by the early Caliphate during the post-Prophetic wars of apostasy (ridda).
An interesting test of faith, when it is long known that the foundational sacred documents were definitely tampered with. No wonder they believe the same of Christians and Jews.
Even if the relevant Hadith is reliable, justification of any blasphemy law in Shariah through these religious sources may still be questioned.
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This is a good description of my feelings toward all organized religion. I believe in God on one level, but, I do not believe in men who insist they know what "he" really means.
The Christian texts on which I was raised were written by men, translated by other men, ordered rewritten by still others, on and on. If God needs me to understand more than I do, he can tell me himself and cut out the middle men all of whom could, and probably were, feathering their own nests. Omnipotence allows for direct communication, no?
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Exodus, Deuteronomy and Leviticus have a few tidbits about what to do with infidels and apostates, too.
Judeo-Christian practices have 'evolved', however.
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Mullah, I seem to remember that one of the whole points of Christianity was the over-writing of the more violent parts of Judaism. All in all Jesus wasn't big on killing folks, no?
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Agreed AlanC, although many 'Pillars of Christianity' went 'Old Testament' on not a few infidels over the ages, probably coming to realize why these ancient Hebrew doctrines were promulgated in the first place for those particular places and times.
Mainstream Christianity gave those practices up (mostly) about 400-500 years ago, right after the Inquisition and 'Reconquista'.
Isl*m just lags behind by that much or more. Modern weaponry and communications just make it easier for the current hard-liners to make 'statements'.
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I think ALL religion is made up whole, do NOT trust "Religious" leaders.
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[NATIONALREVIEW] The British press has never seemed as out of touch as it is today. All our broadsheet papers are packed with pleas to the people of La Belle France, and other European populations, not to turn into Moslem-killing nutjobs in response to the Charlie Hebdo ...A lefty French satirical magazine, home of what may well be the majority if the active testicles left in Europe... massacre. The Guardian frets over Islamophobes seizing this atrocity to advance their hatred. The Financial Times is in a spin about Islamophobic turbans using the massacre to [challenge] the tolerance on which Europe has built its peace. One British hack says we should all fear the coming Islamophobic backlash. And what actually happened in La Belle France as these dead-tree pieces about a possible Islamophobic backlash made their appearance? Jews were assaulted. And killed. Dont attack Moslems, lectures the press as Jews are attacked.
Across Europe, among the right-thinking sections of society, among the political classes, the response to the massacre of the cartoonists and satirists has been the same: to panic about how Them, the native masses, especially the more right-wing sections of the French population, might respond to it. The blood on the floor of the Charlie Hebdo offices was still wet when brow-furrowed observers started saying: Oh no, the Moslems! Will they be attacked? Its the same after every terrorist attack: from 9/11 to 7/7 in London to last years Sydney siege to Gay Paree today: Liberals instant, almost Pavlovian response to Islamist terror attacks in the West is to worry about a violent uprising of the ill-educated against Moslems. The uprising never comes, but that doesnt halt their fantasy fears. Whats it all about?
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The thing that keeps the Islamophobia panic alive is not actual violence against Moslems but the right-on politicos ill-founded yet deeply held view of ordinary Europeans, especially those of a working-class variety, as racist and stupid.
No different than the enlightened politicos here in the States.
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'Islamophobia' is a propaganda term that clumsily tries to associate the normalcy of a free and open society with a disease process.
Every world view, philosophy, system of ideas or religion will encounter opposition on the free marketplace of ideas. The freedom to praise and propagate e.g. Islam is identical to the freedom to encourage people to leave and swear off Islam.
Nothing (except the very preservation of freedom) is sacrosanct! Everything can be challenged legitimately!
Those who are using the term 'Islamophobia' for any other purpose that to criticize it are genuine enemies of Western Civilization!
They are genuinely evil! Always!
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It's not a phobia when there is a basis of fact. When a bad batch of contaminated food poisons a few people, they recall the entire load, don't they?
[INDYSTAR] In the editorial offices of a French magazine this week, Moslem butchers put an emphatic and bloody exclamation point on President B.O.s 2012 declaration before the United Nations ...the Oyster Bay money pit... that, The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.
And even before the broken bodies of the French cartoonists had been removed from the scene, apologists on the American political left were taking to cameras and keyboards to make sure the apparent greater crime of political incorrectness was not perpetrated.
CNN pundit Sally Kohn sent out a barrage of politically correct tweets that repackaged the foolish charge made years ago by fellow left-winger Rosie O'Donnell that, radical Christianity is just as dangerous as radical Islam. You can be forgiven for struggling to remember the last time monks with suicide belts stormed a mall food court or a group of knife-wielding nuns beheaded an infidel before mass.
Can you find nutjobs claiming to be Christian who have committed violent acts? Of course. But in every example, the offender was not acting in accordance with the teaching of any mainstream Christian denomination, nor are there large groups of Christians dedicated to implementing such a strategy.
Former Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean Former Dem governor of Vermont or Rhode Island or one of those dinky states. Howard lost his bid to be president by shrieking and screaming and acting like a loon. Then they made him chairman of the Dem national committee, where he continued doing the same things only nobody paid any attention.... appeared on MSNBC attempting to say the same about Islam. I stopped calling these people Moslem terrorists, he proclaimed as though he or anyone on the left has used that phrase with regularity. I think ISIS is a cult. Not an Islamic cult. I think its a cult, he said. Despite the turbans and the automatic weapons.
This is the same nonsense weve been hearing from American liberals for years. After the horrific attack at Fort Hood, where Moslem terrorist Nidal Malik Hasan jumped onto a table, shouted Allahu Akbar and massacred Americans in cold blood, the B.O. regime labeled the event workplace violence. Go online and watch Attorney General Eric Inaction Jackson Holder ... aka Mister Fast and Furious... refuse to act like he understands the phrase radical Islam. When you do, it should become apparent why events like this continue to happen. We are paralyzed with fear at the thought of honestly acknowledging that the problem we face is within Islam itself.
Every time Islamic jihadists strike, our society searches for some reason to explain what provoked them: American foreign policy, the invasion of Iraq, a preacher in Florida who threatened to burn a Koran, the establishment of Israel after World War II, the events at Abu Ghraib, offensive cartoons, and on and on. It's always something, ain't it? Don't forget the loss of al-Andaluz in 1492. That was a biggie.
But lost in the sideshow is the truth that many within Islam have been imitating their warrior prophet and fighting the world since the 7th century.
Yes, thankfully there are large numbers of Moslems who interpret their holy book in a manner that allows them to live at peace with others.
But we cant deny the reality that Islam is the only religion where there is a discussion within the faith about whether its acceptable to saw off journalists heads, burn children alive who don't renounce their faith in Christ, massacre thousands by using jetliners as missiles, or slaughter cartoonists at a satirical magazine. Those acts of terror arent the product of some modern movement of Islamists who misunderstand and pervert their scriptures. It has been this way since Muhammad was perpetrating the violence himself.
The stark difference between Kohn and O'Donnell's radical Christian violence and Islamic terror is the difference between despicable acts and despicable teachings. Theres a reason that Alexis de Tocqueville wrote over a century ago, I studied the Koran a great deal. I came away from that study with the conviction that by and large there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammad.
Multiculturalist blather prevents us from acknowledging that simple reality. Pretending there is moral and ethical equivalency between all faiths is cultural suicide. Muhammad proclaimed, I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.
Three Moslems in La Belle France followed that example this week. Thats the real problem we continue to ignore.
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How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die: but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.
Churchill, Winston (1899). The River War Vol. II (1st ed.). London: Longmans, Green & Co. pgs 248-250.
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Besoeker---Read the book 25 years ago and was impressed by Churchill's concise and priescent look at Islam.
Like they say at The Gates of Vienna, "We are in a new phase of a very old war."
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I believe that the OIC's consensus position can reasonably be called the legitimate voice of Islam as a political player in the world.
I also believe that the current appalling and reprehensible political, cultural and economic circumstances of the OIC states can reasonably be attributed to Islam as a political platform.
The OIC has, for years, openly and publicly called for the imposition of Sharia restrictions on non-Muslims in the West.
Hypothetically, if the French government had arrested the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists, prosecuted the for and convicted them of blasphemy, and if the French government had then executed them for their blasphemy the OIC would have applauded this move.
The death penalty for blasphemy is not unknown in Islamic states after all.
The Charlie Hebdo attackers just gave the OIC what the OIC had demanded. (Which is why I believe the presence of OIC member state reps at the Paris demonstration to be of exceptionally poor taste.)
A discussion of the Islamic religion's transcendental qualities wouldn't be fruitful in this context, but it must be obvious to a reasonable observer that nearly everything is dangerously wrong with Islam as a political force.
Western intelligence services since 9/11 have become very proficient at counterterrorism, with impressive collaboration in all disciplines, and France’s services rank among the best anywhere. If there was an “intelligence failure” here, and we can be sure that embarrassed Paris politicos will be looking for one, it was small-scale. The real problem is that French politicians, as in all Western countries, have absolutely no idea what to do with the burgeoning numbers of aspiring jihadist killers in their midst.
This is simply not true. The terrorist mooks were known to French police and intel. A couple of them were known to the world intel community. This wasn't a case of "sudden jihadi syndrome", these were "known wolves". For whatever reason the French local police/intel community didn't have these guys on surveillance.
The authorities don't control the suburbs where many Muslims live. Who besides themselves can know what happens in those ugly apartment blocks behind closed doors?
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People like this worthless fok have severely damaged our intelligence collection capabilities. Add to that the current regmines highly unsuccessful terrorist 'catch and release' programme and it's attitude of denial regarding Islamic terrorism.
It is difficult not to be intemperate in the face of nine murdered journalists, two murdered policemen and a janitor, lying in pools of blood in Paris, the City of Lights: the cold, calculated killing spree a response to journalism that was displeasing. The magazine Charlie Hebdo was firebombed in 2011. Though it regularly heaved dung across and beyond the political spectrum and satirized many religious figures and religions including the Pope, Jews, Christians et al, it was Charlie’s caricatures of Islam that brought on the bombs and murders. Not surprising, in our time when virtually all terrorism of the last few decades—whether in Russia, China, Germany, the killing fields of Syria and the Middle East, New York or Boston—has been carried out in the name of Islam.
There is really no point in fatuities about Islam being just as tolerant as all other religions, which was uttered endlessly by commentators covering the Paris horror. The public face of Islam has been hijacked by Islamist fundamentalists with a zero-tolerance policy. Though I really wish we had more than the occasional imam declaring this act to be barbaric, I can understand why Western Muslims—the majority of whom I expect and hope despise this carnage—aren’t taking to the streets to decry what is being done in the name of their faith. When hundreds of girls are kidnapped, enslaved or murdered in Pakistan or Nigeria for attending school (when even in Canada a Muslim women may run a risk of being killed for not upholding the family honour in a forced marriage), when Canadian-born youths are training as jihadists or fighting in Syria, fear takes over. Why endanger your own family or relatives abroad?
“Senseless killings,” said NDP Leader Thomas Mulcair in condemning the latest violence. Not senseless at all. Terror works. You can see how Islamic terrorism has gripped a culture when even those who may be mentally ill, possibly like Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, the lone Parliament Hill gunman, seem to carry out their deranged acts in the name of Islam. They don’t kill in the name of vegetarianism or Napoleon. Their targets aren’t electricians or acrobats but the people symbolic of Western values—those standing guard over its memorials or working in its parliament. More at the link
[DAWN] Even though Nawaz has lost the meta game, its still looking good for him on the civilian side of things.
Lets start with the dodged bullet. Military courts handed Nawaz a political lifeline because it switched the conversation from governance failures to judicial incompetence.
Heck, the conversation on governance failure didnt even start thanks to the alacrity of the boys they wanted mil courts, they wanted them now and they werent going to let the Beautiful Downtown Peshawar ...capital of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (formerly known as the North-West Frontier Province), administrative and economic hub for the Federally Administered Tribal Areas of Pakistan. Peshawar is situated near the eastern end of the Khyber Pass, convenient to the Pak-Afghan border. Peshawar has evolved into one of Pakistan's most ethnically and linguistically diverse cities, which means lots of gunfire. moment pass.
Remember: this is a government that was adamant talks needed to happen and believed they could succeed.
Remember: last Jan, Nawaz went to parliament to give a speech everyone thought would lead to a military operation and came out having announced more talks.
Remember: this is a government that pretended to invent an internal security policy and then didnt even pretend to follow it.
But, post-Peshawar, few remembered any of that and even fewer cared. Because all anyone wanted to talk about was military courts.
Then, Nawaz managed to look busy. Real busy. Almost prime ministerial. He was chairing meetings, turning up in parliament, holding APCs, issuing statement after statement, working, working, working.
Reality seemed to match the spin for once. Nawaz brought the political class together. He manufactured consensus. He acted quickly when the consensus began to fray. He got a constitutional amendment done in double-quick time. He got the hangings up and running.
The critics may split hairs it wasnt because of Nawaz; it was all down to Raheel and the critics may be right. But thats beside the point.
Military courts are popular. Hangings are popular. Being hands-on, in front of the cameras and getting things done is popular. Nawaz has done all of that. Co-ownership is better than no ownership.
Its been a good run. And thats only the security side of things. Elsewhere, the gods have been kind.
A third of the way in, most governments here are usually just trying to paper over the cracks. No reforms, no structural changes, limp economy, rising prices, belt tightening, unpopular choices the only things that grow around this time is public disillusionment and a governments problems.
But Nawaz got lucky: oil happened. Prices start to fall. The economists and number-crunchers may argue over the real impact of falling oil prices, but economists and number-crunchers argue over everything. The political impact is clear: folk out in the street love it.
It doesnt matter that the government here has nothing to do with falling oil prices. It doesnt even matter if the average man in the street is aware that the government has nothing to do with falling oil prices.
What matters is that instead of entering a phase of rising anger and growing disillusionment, the public is faced with subsiding troubles or the feeling of subsiding troubles, anyway.
Throw in a couple of billion dollars of savings in imports; metro bus coming online in Isloo; maybe some electricity and road projects grabbing headlines; possibly a sweetheart deal on gas imports and its looking pretty damn good. By Pak standards, anyway.
Which is great for Nawaz because, well, we are in Pakistain.
The cherry on top of all of that: you only have to be better than the competition. Since Raheel isnt it that leaves just one realistic threat: Imran.
But Imrans had a poor month or so, politically speaking: Peshawar happened in the PTIs backyard and forced Imran to halt his get-Nawaz campaign. Imran can restart his campaign and probably will but, so what?
Assume Nawaz is churlish and stubborn and refuses to give Imran his judicial commission. Imran takes to the streets again. Then what?
Even before Peshawar, two things had become apparent: Imran has enough street support to sustain his protest movement, but not enough to overthrow the government; the only real threat to the government is the government itself.
Post-Peshawar, the only thing that has changed is that the government would have to make an even more catastrophic mistake for Imran to be able to capitalise what a limp, desultory government can get away with is much less than what a spry, populist government can.
Bottom line, post-Peshawar: Nawaz is weaker, but more secure. Old Nawaz wouldnt have liked it.
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[DAWN] The very first day of 2014 brought with it a graphic reminder of the daunting challenges that bedevil Balochistan ...the Pak province bordering Kandahar and Uruzgun provinces in Afghanistan and Sistan Baluchistan in Iran. Its native Baloch propulation is being displaced by Pashtuns and Punjabis and they aren't happy about it... when a jacket wallah targeted a bus full of Shia Hazara pilgrims returning from a visit to Iran. One person was killed and 30 injured. As the year unfolded, the widening repercussions of short-sighted state policies followed since long began to manifest themselves.
After the two horrific, large-scale sectarian attacks against them in early 2013, the Hazara community had restricted itself mainly to two heavily secured Hazara-majority areas in Quetta in a siege-like existence which came at a devastating cost to livelihoods, education and life in general. But even then, safety was far from certain. An attack inside Hazara Town, shortly before Eid, killed 10 people while they were shopping for the festive occasion.
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[DAWN] THE states action against snuffies in the aftermath of the Beautiful Downtown Peshawar ...capital of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (formerly known as the North-West Frontier Province), administrative and economic hub for the Federally Administered Tribal Areas of Pakistan. Peshawar is situated near the eastern end of the Khyber Pass, convenient to the Pak-Afghan border. Peshawar has evolved into one of Pakistan's most ethnically and linguistically diverse cities, which means lots of gunfire. tragedy was bound to produce a bloody reaction. Friday nights bombing of an Imambargah ...since Pakistain is very religiously correct, Shia Moslems can't call their houses of worship 'mosques,' which are reserved for Sunnis. It's not clear if imambargahs are used for explosives storage like mosques are... in the garrison city of Rawalpindi seems to be the first major salvo fired by the forces of Evil as part of this blowback.
A number of people were killed and injured in the kaboom at the entrance of the place of worship as a milad ceremony was under way inside the premises. It is a small miracle the bombing did not occur within the crowded Imambargah, or else the body count would have been much higher. On Saturday, a foreign news agency quoted the front man of the banned TTPs Jamaatul Ahrar ...A Pak Taliban splinter group that split off from the Mullah Fazlullah faction because it wasn't violent enough... faction claiming responsibility for the atrocity. While this claim needs to be verified by the security establishment, it must be noted that Rawalpindi has in recent times seen ugly sectarian violence; the caretaker of the targeted Imambargah was also murdered a few years ago. Local police are reportedly looking into these angles, too.
Whether it is places of worship, schools, markets or other public spaces considered soft targets by the bad boys, in the days to come both state and society will need to redouble efforts to thwart terrorist attacks. While Peshawar may have shaken the leadership out of its slumber, dismantling the bad boy infrastructure across Pakistain will not be an easy task, considering how deeply entrenched militancy is within this society. Thinking that battling the bad boy hydra will be a surgical, bloodless operation is a fallacy. What the nation needs is preparation and resolve to confront the challenge. But while the security forces have been carrying out raids and there are efforts to shore up the defences of schools, much more needs to be done on the ground to reassure citizens that the state is ready to tackle the problem. And preparing the nation for the blowback is firmly the responsibility of the government.
However, corruption finds a dozen alibis for its evil deeds... while the elected leadership has activated itself on the security and legislative fronts, where public interaction is concerned it still needs to improve its efforts. Just saying we are in a state of war is not enough; the prime minister and the top leadership need to reassure the nation that steps are being taken to ramp up security and uproot bad boy infrastructure. Things like regular public contact through the media, visiting survivors of terrorist attacks or condoling with heirs can go a long way in reassuring people that their government stands with them. What is certain is that more attacks like the Rawalpindi bombing will only further demoralise the nation, even as Peshawars pall of gloom still hangs heavy. It is time for Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif ... served two non-consecutive terms as prime minister, heads the Pakistain Moslem League (Nawaz). Noted for his spectacular corruption, the 1998 Pak nuclear test, border war with India, and for being tossed by General Musharraf... to lead from the front and for the elected leadership to be seen at the front and centre of the fight against militancy.
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The political rhetoric and drama that followed the recent episode of a Pakistani boat that was chased inside India waters, intercepted, chased and blew itself up would have put any country to shame. While there were stalwarts who professed their expertise on the colour of the flames of the burning boat, the Opposition, in particular the Congress, went overboard in trying to portray the whole incident was either fabricated or the boat was only undertaking smuggling activity. This could have perhaps been digested if Pakistan was just about beginning her terrorist activities and not waging proxy war against India for over past three decades. But then was the fact that the Coast Guard press briefing had categorically brought that the four occupants of the boat were dressed in T-shirts and shorts and did not look like fishermen.
…the whole incident was rigged up was not only in poor taste it showcased to the world disunity in India’s political fabric to face terror.
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When the winds of change blow around, Obama will always stand with Islamists for some reason.
Mr. Obama and his administration have supported Islamists and radical Islamists at the expense of: free speech, our allies, historical truth, our national security – most particularly in our immigration system, in the release of prisoners, our very language, at the expense of our military, and common sense. We’ve listed twenty-eight ways but there are others. They are not prioritized in the order of importance.
Long interview in Der Spiegel. Superb recitation of the party line.
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SPIEGEL: General Allen, congratulations on your new assignment. It seems that you will have a secure job for the next decade.
Allen: Yes, probably. It would seem that my employability and my employment are guaranteed for some period of time.
December 2016 should just about wrap it up General. Use your accrued leave or sell it back before then please.
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It is interesting that the Gen Allen is making an effort to consistently use the name 'Daesh' for what the interviewer consistently calls 'IS.'
Is this supposed to be a clumsy attempt at propaganda to whitewash Islam and absolve it of any blame?
As for the solutions:
If you decide beforehand that you're not even willing to hurt the noble enemy people's feelings than there's no solution and no possible outcome except defeat.
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Following the FBI's discovery of tens of thousands of e-mail contacts from General Allen to Tampa socialite Jill Kelley, the General was identified as a very capable communicator.
In a PR-centric Obama regime, effective communication and distraction are key enablers. The successful establishment of the term "Daesh" may in fact be his only purpose, and how could he say no ?
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Easier to say than to do - because to truly be effective, you have to go in and get personal. If flinging bombs from a distance worked, Clinton's cruise missile campaign would have been enough.
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Clinton didn't want to create smoking ruins and wailing widows though. I think Peters is thinking of something like strategic and/or counter value retaliation against terror supporting nations or territorial entities.
For example, do those Yemenis who protect AQ camps own any tangible infrastructure that could be destroyed by airstrikes?
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Too many closed minds shut by Marxist laced academia. Can't teach that a lot of 19th Century 'imperialism' was prompted by similar acts of uncivilized behavior, that 'colonialism' had traits to suppress and extinguish these cycles of violence. It all wasn't exploitation of poor natives who would in fact benefit from stable government and 'law and order'. And how more oppressive were these colonial administrations than today's socialist oligarchies/kleptocracies? /rhet question.
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I don't know, I think a dozen ARCLIGHT strikes down through the heart of every Arab capital would do a lot to change "hearts and minds" of the survivors (if there are any). Also, nuke Mecca and Medina with the largest nukes we can build, napalm any "demonstration" that shoots up, and shoot individuals with pig-fat-dipped bullets. We need a leader that will stand up and say, "You want to follow a strong horse? We'll show you a strong horse, in spades!" We also need to shoot all the enablers -- the press, 90% of academia, and most NGOs. Tell the UN to move to move to Bora Bora, and then level the area. Put it into a pig farm (for all that fat we'll need).
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Drink UP!
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Realistically, I wouldn't think curtailing Boko would take that many advisors. I don't see how allowing their ascendency serves US interests. I would like to see them on the defensive.
Supporting the Khurds in killing the European Jihadis doesn't seem like a bridge too far either. Setting up a security perimeter so that the Warriors can't return home would be another immediate priority.
Short of another attack on the US, I think that is about what you can get done in the next two years. As Holder, a man who can mouth the words jihad or Islamic radical, was sent to stand by France, I can't see anything happening in the near term. Biden wasn't sent because they thought he would have gone off the cuff and expressed outrage or committed us to action that are inconsistent with Obama policy.
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agreed. It seems an aggressively anti-Boko mindset in the WH could do a lot of damage with airdropped SF.
the problem is this Admin is not anti-Muzzie hate groups
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Our warfighting must be ugly enough to deter potential adversaries. This bull$hit of making wedgies an Article 15 (or worse) offense is going to get us all killed (imho).
[HOTAIR] Just to keep it in perspective, I dont think we should imagine that the conditions and the threat are exactly the same in the United States as they are in France, he said. They are different. Good point, that. Not the same= Different. I think it was a Muppet that originally told me that, but it could have been my Mom. In fact, one thing that is different here is weapons are universally available and so, uh, it is actually a very good thing that-- that-- that the tensions are not exactly the same because we would expect to have a lot more of that sort of carnage here. We could expect maybe to see the turbans stretched out in pools of blood instead of their intended victims. If their victims happened to be unarmed then we might expect to see the local citizenry taking potshots at the Heroes of Islam as they were bravely making their getaways.
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you can get better guns to kill people here?
better than full auto AKs?
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I was in Austin the day of the Texas Tower shootings in 1966. The Krazed Killer stopped targeting the innocent when he suddenly came under return fire. One of the locals had taken his hunting rifle down from his mantel and starting plugging away at the top of the tower. IIRC that was the first armed response to the Krazed Killer.
Sure an attack in the USA resembling the one in France might have turned out differently. Sure.
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2 cops, no body armor, no SWAT dress up, service pistols and shot gun only, climbed the tower and killed Whitman. I hope they are still alive and serving as examples of how police ought to react, if not I hope they are enjoying heaven.
Whitmans brain is one of the collection at the University of Texas that went missing or was disposed of recently.
The Land Run is annually reenacted in the spring in many Oklahoma schools by grade school students. They go outside on a playground or in a park, race for little tracts of land, file a land claim and have a picnic.
The Oklahoma Historical Society even has a page explaining how to conduct a land run for kids, it’s called Make a Land Run!
But not in Oklahoma City anymore, thanks to the meddling of the Obama Regime and the “activism” it enabled. Reenactments are now banned in one of the state’s largest school districts [We feel like it celebrates genocide,” Oklahoma Land Run reenactments a thing of the past for one district, by Sarah Stewart, KFOR.com News Channel Four, December 9, 2014 , video available at same site]
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I can't even follow their thinking on this one.
Sick minds that hate everything about this country.
Why don't they leave, they'd be much happier somewhere else.
A multi-volume chronology and reference guide set detailing three years of the Mexican Drug War between 2010 and 2012.
Rantburg.com and borderlandbeat.com correspondent and author Chris Covert presents his first non-fiction work detailing
the drug and gang related violence in Mexico.
Chris gives us Mexican press dispatches of drug and gang war violence
over three years, presented in a multi volume set intended to chronicle the death, violence and mayhem which has
dominated Mexico for six years.
Rantburg was assembled from recycled algorithms in the United States of America. No
trees were destroyed in the production of this weblog. We did hurt some, though. Sorry.
A lefty French satirical magazine, home of what may well be the majority if the active testicles left in Europe...
Western intelligence services since 9/11 have become very proficient at counterterrorism, with impressive collaboration in all disciplines, and France’s services rank among the best anywhere. If there was an “intelligence failure” here, and we can be sure that embarrassed Paris politicos will be looking for one, it was small-scale. The real problem is that French politicians, as in all Western countries, have absolutely no idea what to do with the burgeoning numbers of aspiring jihadist killers in their midst.
People like this worthless fok have severely damaged our intelligence collection capabilities. Add to that the current regmines highly unsuccessful terrorist 'catch and release' programme and it's attitude of denial regarding Islamic terrorism.
It is difficult not to be intemperate in the face of nine murdered journalists, two murdered policemen and a janitor, lying in pools of blood in Paris, the City of Lights: the cold, calculated killing spree a response to journalism that was displeasing. The magazine Charlie Hebdo was firebombed in 2011. Though it regularly heaved dung across and beyond the political spectrum and satirized many religious figures and religions including the Pope, Jews, Christians et al, it was Charlie’s caricatures of Islam that brought on the bombs and murders. Not surprising, in our time when virtually all terrorism of the last few decades—whether in Russia, China, Germany, the killing fields of Syria and the Middle East, New York or Boston—has been carried out in the name of Islam.
The Land Run is annually reenacted in the spring in many Oklahoma schools by grade school students. They go outside on a playground or in a park, race for little tracts of land, file a land claim and have a picnic.
