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-Lurid Crime Tales-
SCOTUS Turns Down Appeal Of Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act
A
civilian
jury convicted former Pfc. Steven Dale Green of Midland Texas is 2009 for the attack on the al-Janabi family near Majmoudiya, Iraq, in March 2006.
He was one of Five United States Army soldiers of the 502nd Infantry Regiment who were charged with crimes in the attack, but was discharged before charges were filed, and so was tried under the new Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act, which allows civilian trial of soldiers for criminal acts committed in other countries that are in violation of US laws. The others have been court martialed and convicted.
The Supreme Court has decided to not review his appeal of the conviction, on grounds that he should be tried by court martial, not a civilian jury.
Which in effect puts US military personnel in the same situation as if they had been arrested by the ICC and were being tried in a foreign country for acts they had allegedly committed in yet another foreign country, likely as "war criminals", with minimal evidence, almost exclusively testimony by their former enemies.

But in this case, under the MEJA, they can be tried by civilian (left wing) prosecutors, using minimal evidence, far less than is required for a civilian crime, and testimony of former enemies, which has a high likelihood of being nothing but perjury, and offers nothing in the way of cross examination if the foreign enemy has been coached effectively.
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#1  Amendment 6 - Right to Speedy Trial, Confrontation of Witnesses. Ratified 12/15/1791.

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.


Another unnecessary right tossed aside.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 01/15/2012 10:59 Comments || Top||

#2  ..and yes he should have been tried by courts martial and a jury of his peers, even if that meant being brought back on to active duty to do so.
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Caribbean-Latin America
Zedillo Lawsuit will be decided on sovereignity claims
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By Chris Covert

A detached observer might get the idea that a 15 year old massacre, all of whose relevant legal and moral issues had been resolved long ago -- its resurrection the basis for a debate of the worthiness of long standing principles such as national sovereignty -- would be a good starting point to discuss those issues now.

But a detached observer might also get the impression that, were the impetus for resurrecting such a calamity to simply beat a political opposition over the head with it, such a resurrection could potentially bring out some less than savory actors.

When the September, 2010 lawsuit was filed against Mexican former president Ernesto Zedillo Ponce de Leon, it seemed to be news of a perfunctory nature; as if the lawsuit was expected inasmuch as the issues had long ago been resolved.

Consider the law firm filing the lawsuit.

Up until the September 2010 filing in Hartford, Connecticut, the two attorneys named as the lead attorneys, Roger Kobert and Marc Pugliese, were known as civil litigators in a law firm with a small, international clientele. Indeed, the most public civil litigation to date involving the two lawyers was an adverse verdict which cost their clients several millions of dollars including interest.

Usually when a high profile civil suit amounting to a public interest lawsuit is filed, it is filed by a firm with a known background in public interest law. Some element somewhere in the firm's background would lead any interested party to conclude that this is an experienced law firm seeking justice for victims somehow wronged.

And make no mistake: the 45 victims in Acteal were wronged on that the day on December 22nd, 1997. The day the attack took place nearly every individual shot dead or wounded was unarmed; many of the victims knew the attack was coming but chose, as their belief dictated, to pray they would be spared the coming massacre; many of the victims were children caught up in a social and political calamity, placed in the kill zone by their parents' own choosing. It is impossible to consider that the Mexican chief executive would somehow have had a hand in that attack; that the victims themselves, as passive as they were, supported a violent Marxist group that had attacked Mexican soldiers -- patriots -- in their drive for autonomy, and possibly provided some material support to the group.

This writer could find no nexus or connection whatsoever that would give a hint as to the impetus behind the suit. A request by email submitted last week to answer the question has never been answered Little was to be gained financially even by the lawyers because they had failed to provide an idea of the compensation being sought for the 45 victims at Acteal. Former President Zedillo at the time the lawsuit was filed was heading up an institution at Yale University. Comparatively speaking. Zedillo had moved from living in the opulence as a Mexican president to the relative penury of a private college. It is very unlikely that any one of the victims one day booked a flight to Miami to speak with the attorneys, nor is it likely in as backward a state as Chiapas, Mexico any of the victims or their progeny could afford to do so.

No even a hint of politics could be determined from the background of the attorneys.

It is almost as if one of the lawyers woke up some fine day and said, "Hey, you know what? Let's sue Zedillo! We'll make a bundle!" Given the past 20 months of Righthaven, far more absurd legal activities have profitably taken place in US federal courts.

What politics that could be considered resided in materials filed by Zedillo's attorneys last week. Among the exhibits was a program from a 2002 awards ceremony by the Franklin Delano Roosvelt Institute, dubbed the Franklin Delano Roosevelt Four Freedoms Awards. In 2002 the awards ceremony held in Middleburg Abbey in Zeeland province in the Netherlands was held to honor five recipients of the awards. Among those recipients was Zedillo, who received the Freedom from Fear Award that year.

The politics involved are an exemplar of the politics of the American left. In Hartford, Connecticut resides a former head of state working as a professor, recipients of a human rights ward giving by individuals with radical leftist connections.

One of those associated with the Franklin Delano Roosevelt Center was none other than William vanden Heuvel, its co-chair, former US diplomat and icon of the old left. In 2002, William vanden Heuvel gave a presentation for the awards ceremony. His daughter is Kartine vanden Heuvel, editor and partial owner of The Nation, of the the oldest leftist publications in the world.

Previous recipients have included Amnesty International, Olof Palme and Armand Hammer, all individuals who maintain the good relations of the old Left.

Ms. vanden Heuvel is a representative of the new Left, a self described progressive, the current buzzword for socialist. The self identification is appropriate since it has long been an established pattern of leftists to call for socialistic reforms without calling such reform anything other than progressive. Ms. vanden Heuvel has been antiwar in the past and anti conservative, and her publication has been showing its view for a long time.

Except for references to Acteal. A quick search of the archives of The Nation shows no references to Acteal or to the EZLN. The omission is odd because in prior editions The Nation favorably presented material for violent Marxist groups, such as the Sandinistas and Castro's Cuba.

But among the oddest individuals to have emerged in the controversy surrounding the lawsuit has been Spanish jurist Baltasar Garzón Real. Garzón Real has in the recent past immersed himself into several controversies, including his attempt to charge the Bush Six, Alberto Gonzales, John Yoo, Douglas Feith, William Haynes II, Jay Bybee and David Addington for their alleged roles in offering justifications to torture.

The Spanish legal system must have scrambled to keep the cases away from Garzón Real's courtroom, eventually assigning it to another judge who dropped the case.

This time Garzón Real said to the press last week, absurdly, that immunity "did not apply" to Zedillo, all without describing how immunity did not apply. His remarks came in the wake of news that an application had been made from the Mexican Foreign Ministry to the US State Department requesting Zedillo receive immunity as a former chief executive.

What made Garzón Real's remarks charmingly irrelevant was the fact that Garzón Real never met a camera he could put his mug in front of or a microphone before which he had nothing to say.

Perhaps the clearest remarks came from Mexican leftist politician Andres Manuel Lopoez Obrador. In remarks published last Saturday, Lopez Obrador hinted that Carlos Salinas de Gortari, Zedillo's predesssor, may share in the blame for the events leading up to the massacre.

Indeed Salinas' indifference to the growing threat of the EZLN was a contributing factor; in Mexico such a concept could be considered a statement of fact.

However, his other remarks left no doubt where he stood on the matter and what he would do were he elected to president of Mexico.

According to Proceso, Lopez Obrador made references for his supporters to eschew "revenge"and to "seek justice." Lopez Obrador is likely referring to other members of Mexico's leftist mainstream, including Jesus Zambrano (PRD), who suffered horribly under a succession of Mexican presidents. Lopez Obrador has in the past made no secret of his disdain for the Mexican Army and other arms of Mexican security. Those forces arrayed against Grijalva and other political allies could conceivably suffer the worst under a Lopez Orbador administration, as he has stated on more than one occasion his intention to end the drug war by simply not prosecuting it any longer.

Lopez Obrador is currently in the midst of the PRD primary season attempting to make a second successive run to be president of the republic, a goal in which he came up short by less than one percent of the popular vote last time.

The Petition

At the heart of Zedillo's defense against the lawsuit is the principle of sovereign immunity. Simply stated, sovereign immunity is immunity government officials enjoy when they leave office for crimes they may have committed during their term in in office.

The crux of the plaintiff's argument is that Zedillo enjoys no immunity if those acts were committed outside the color of their authority. The concept is that if a government official commits an act that was illegal at the time he committed it as head of state, sovereign immunity would no longer apply, since those acts were outside the scope and color of his authority.

The intention of the plaintiffs then seems pretty clear. The plaintiffs are asking the court to allow them to proceed on the matter even though nothing Zedillo had done during his term in office was considered illegal. The plaintiffs want a chance to prove what Zedillo did was illegal even though no charges had been filed since the alleged crime. The plaintiffs are asking for court permission to grant that a crime has taken place outside Zedillo's authority, even though no charge civil or otherwise has been forwarded, and for relief so their part of the charges may be proved he did in fact act outside his authority as president.

The issue being argued at the moment is foreign official immunity from prosecution for acts committed while in office. What lies at the basis of the lawsuit is an attempt by the plaintiffs to suspend the concept of sovereignty inasmuch as Zedillo's attorney's have argued he was not responsible for the Acteal massacre in 1997.

If Zedillo committed any act, gave any order, was aware of any act or order of any significance which led to the massacre, the plaintiffs claim, it would represent an act outside Zedillo's authority. But any one of those putative acts must be considered in context of the Chiapas Conflict in 1994.

The EZLN [Ejercito Zapista Liberacion Nacional] attacked in January 1994, the last year of the term of President Carlos Salinas de Gortari. Despite warnings by local and state government officials that the national government needed to do something about the increased activity of Guatemalan rebel's use of Mexico as a haven against Guatemalan Army counterinsurgency operations since 1992, Salinas seem to have been caught with his pants down. It was probably an unlikely combination of intervention by the Liberation Theology wing of the Mexican Catholic church and EZLN logistics that ended the hottest portion of the war.

It had to have been an embarrassing fiasco for Mexico's national government, and one for which the Mexican Army developed a solution.

The Plana Campana de Chiapas 94, the document the plaintiffs plan to use against Zedillo was developed by Carlos Salinas' government and implemented by the Mexican Army months before Zedillo actually took office. Part of the plan included using Mexican former and current military to establish patrols in the area to gather intelligence and act as a police presence in Chiapas. Implicit in that was for those elements to be armed with firearms. That part of the plan is often described as pro se evidence of the Mexican government's involvement in the 1997 Acteal massacre. The charge that the Mexican Army was arming civilians is largely true despite the fact that committed Marxist rebels in the area and many of their supporters also had weapons at their disposal, and used them repeatedly against political opponents throughout the region for at least two years before the massacre.

Between 1994, when the Chiapas war started and the end of 1997, not only was the EZLN actively pursuing its goals of taking over some municipalities in Chiapas, a violation of the Peace Accord, but Mexico saw no less than two new violent and armed Marxist insurgencies formed, which attacked Mexican government facilities including army bases in Guerrero and Oaxaca. Although the EZLN did not vocally support the EPR and the EPI, those two groups expressed support for the EZLN. Both groups performed the same information operations as EZLN, without respite in Chiapas, Oaxaca and Guerrero state during that time, which included representatives taking tours of various villages and ejidos in the mountains where indigent Indian groups were the most susceptible to Marxist propaganda.

Universally reviled by the Mexican left when it was released was the Blanco Libro Sobre Acteal or White Paper on Acteal released by the national attorney general,which described some of the events which preceded the massacre. Prominently displayed were numerous acts of vandalism, murder and intimidation of Mexican citizens in the area by individuals and groups sympathetic to the EZLN, and responses by Mexican citizens towards EZLN supporters. The main thrust of the document was to demonstrate that both sides had contributed to the hostile conditions which led to the massacre.

The document has been dismissed as a whitewash, yet even presumed whitewashes contain some elements of truth. In this "whitewash" the Mexican government sought to flood any debate about the Acteal massacre with a description of the near total breakdown of authority in the state, fostered by ELZN in illegal attempts take control of municipalities without state legislature approval, and unchecked citizen involvement in the situation by both sides which led to the massacre.

The plaintiffs used the document to point out that Zedillo had no intention of negotiating with the EZLN, despite the agreement to end the war. The contention is absurd in light of of the historical record and the government's intention to maintain its sovereignty in the area. It is an amazing thing both sides agreed to the accord in 1994 since at the time the US was ruled by the most liberal government in generations and was likely to side with the rebels. It is hard to consider how showing a US federal court that a natural act of a government to exert its sovereignty could prove that such an act was outside the scope of a chief executive's authority.

More so, it is astonishing that the plaintiff's attorneys would expect the US Court system to adjudicate a 150 year old record of stare decis, as well as common law which goes back even farther than that.

Sovereignty is the basis and job description of the top political executive in every nation on the planet. You have to wonder why Zedillo, outside the normal illogical arguments leftists may make to the contrary, would be denied this basic requirement of his office, short of a weakly argued lawsuit, and possibly politics.

The lawsuit also describes the measures taken by the Mexican Army to counter EZLN and their supporters in Chiapas, including arming and training of "villagers" described as "Anti-EZLN villagers" with military grade assault rifles, very similar to the military assault weapons carried by EZLN guerrillas and their supporters, a fact the petition does not address.

One of the differences between the Acteal White Paper and the petition concerns rifles. The petition claims the the Mexican Army armed and trained civilians, a fact which is borne out by the White Paper. The petition charges that the Mexican Army directed the killers during the attack, which is arguable. However, the White Paper said that many of the participants did not have rifles; that the weapons were given to them by local and state police forces along with police uniforms, who then allowed them to carry out the attack. The White Paper said some of the weapons used were AK-47 rifles, a weapon which would not be available to government supporters and the weapon of choice of revolutionary movements since the 1960s; rather, the venerable US-made M16 would have been handed out. The issue of the rifle type used to kill Los Abesas, critical in the matter is simply not addressed in the petition.

The petition does not address in any way the nexus between the apparent ad hoc and impromptu raid and the office of the president, save for his role as commander in chief of Mexico's armed forces. It appeared that raid was conducted by Anti-EZLN villagers independent of the Mexican Army, save for the Plana Campana Chiapas and the apparent presence of large numbers of rifles. The petition claims units of the Mexican Army were in the area at the time of the massacre, but also claims army units heard shots but did not respond. That claim is contrary to the petition's contention that the Mexican Army directed the attack.

The White Paper claims that human rights groups and observers, known to be sympathetic to the EZLN, were not in the area at the time of the attack, which is confirmed in the petition when it states that Mexican Army units in the area heard shots but failed to enter the area until almost 14 hours after the shootings had ended.

The petition also claimed that Zedillo was taping a message to the nation when news of the Acteal shootings reached him. According to the petition Zedillo briefly stopped taping before resuming the recording of his message. If Zedillo was directly involved in an operation such as killing members of an obscure religious sect seen as a potential threat, he could have conceivably been at a command center waiting news, instead of conducting his normal duties.

In the response Zedillo's attorneys claim Zedillo was stunned by the news, which is borne out by most accounts.

In discussing charges of a coverup, the petition blows by the long time frame between investigation -- which was rapid -- and the eventual conviction of the alleged perpetrators of the crime almost 10 years later. For example, within 48 hours of the end of the shootings, representatives of Zedillo's attorney general's office, the Procuradoria General de la Republica (PGR) were at the scene gathering evidence and testimony. For individuals accused of planning and executing a massacre, the investigation went forward with due dispatch.

The petition also claims a number of irregularities surfaced when the convictions of the 33 individuals who were convicted of the crime were tossed out.

In Mexican jurisprudence, a year is a long time. When a prosecutor charges an individual, they go to jail and there they will stay until they can prove their innocence. The conviction for the 33 individuals for their role in the crime took place in 2007, almost 10 years after the act and, the petition claims, done under a completely different political party, the Partido Accion Nacional (PAN).

The petition claimed a number of irregularities in gathering evidence and references a number of juicio de amparo, or procedural appeal decisions in the matter which showed irregularities may have occurred. The petition fails to note for the court that in Mexican jurisprudence juicio de amparo suits are an extremely common counter to prosecutors and are a routine matter. Those lawsuits do not per se demonstrate a pattern of abuse.

The Politics

The real basis of the lawsuit is Mexican and American politics. Mexican presidential elections are coming by July and it is entirely possible that the Partido Revolucionario Institucional, Zedillo's party, will return to the Mexican White House known as Los Pinos.

The motivation of the two attorneys in prosecuting this lawsuit will probably remain shrouded and are almost completely irrelevant to the massacre itself. If the plaintiffs win their contention that Zedillo does not enjoy immunity as a former chief executive, it will throw several decades of law into a new standard where sovereignty doesn't matter. Indeed the goal of the lawsuit may be just that: wrecking US concepts of sovereign immunity. The international legal community would love to get their hands on George W, Bush and his liberation of Iraq and Afghanistan, and an adverse decision could engender that environment.

But even more relevant could be the ongoing drive by the Mexican mainstream and independent leftists to get access to decades of US National Security material on the Dirty War and in the Chiapas War.

A fair amount of those materials were already released under the liberal Clinton administration.

Revelations of US involvement, and any Mexican politicians involved could invoke an orgy of "justice" as Lopez Obrador has termed it.
Posted by: badanov || 01/15/2012 00:00 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Interesting dots you connect, Chris. Yes, there are those who would indeed love to overturn international precedent to get GW.
Posted by: lotp || 01/15/2012 12:21 Comments || Top||


Great White North
Confessions of a Mossad spy
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#1  The reason I doubt Israel killed the Iranians is because none of their successful face-to-face operations has been in a totalitarian society like Iran. In fact, most of those operations have been in the West. Uganda was 84% Christian, ruled by a Muslim (Idi Amin). Since the Black September uprising was crushed by Hussein, with Israel backing him against a Syrian invasion, Jordan has vacillated between friendly and neutral. Dubai, of course, is the Vegas of the Middle East. The rest of the face-to-face high-profile operations were in the West. Against a real enemy like Egypt, the Israelis had to resort to letter bombs in their attempt to rub out Nazi scientists.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 01/15/2012 17:40 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Ten Reasons We Are Less Free
Apparently for prosecuting terrorists who were - at one time or another - citizens. Assassinating American 'citizens' is the first of ten, and the last is --
Extraordinary renditions

The government now has the ability to transfer both citizens and non-citizens to another country under a system known as extraordinary rendition, which has been denounced as using other countries, such as Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Pakistan, to torture suspects. The Obama administration says it is not continuing the abuses of this practice under Bush, but it insists on the unfettered right to order such transfers -- including the possible transfer of U.S. citizens.
Right. Only Rethuglicans abuse power.
These new laws have come with an infusion of money into an expanded security system on the state and federal levels, including more public surveillance cameras, tens of thousands of security personnel and a massive expansion of a terrorist-chasing bureaucracy.

Some politicians shrug and say these increased powers are merely a response to the times we live in. Thus, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) could declare in an interview last spring without objection that "free speech is a great idea, but we're in a war." Of course, terrorism will never "surrender" and end this particular "war."
Never is a long time. I think it'll wind down, eventually, like the last expansion of the Ottoman Empire.
Other politicians rationalize that, while such powers may exist, it really comes down to how they are used. This is a common response by liberals who cannot bring themselves to denounce Obama as they did Bush.
Wait. Liberals are two-faced? Hypocritical?
Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.), for instance, has insisted that Congress is not making any decision on indefinite detention: "That is a decision which we leave where it belongs -- in the executive branch."

And in a signing statement with the defense authorization bill, Obama said he does not intend to use the latest power to indefinitely imprison citizens. Yet, he still accepted the power as a sort of regretful autocrat.
Uh-huh.
An authoritarian nation is defined not just by the use of authoritarian powers, but by the ability to use them. If a president can take away your freedom or your life on his own authority, all rights become little more than a discretionary grant subject to executive will.

The framers lived under autocratic rule and understood this danger better than we do. James Madison famously warned that we needed a system that did not depend on the good intentions or motivations of our rulers: "If men were angels, no government would be necessary."

Benjamin Franklin was more direct. In 1787, a Mrs. Powell confronted Franklin after the signing of the Constitution and asked, "Well, Doctor, what have we got -- a republic or a monarchy?" His response was a bit chilling: "A republic, Madam, if you can keep it."

Since 9/11, we have created the very government the framers feared: a government with sweeping and largely unchecked powers resting on the hope that they will be used wisely.
Until the ghost of Ronald Reagan sits in the White House with the Dems as the minority party.
The indefinite-detention provision in the defense authorization bill seemed to many civil libertarians like a betrayal by Obama. While the president had promised to veto the law over that provision, Levin, a sponsor of the bill, disclosed on the Senate floor that it was in fact the White House that approved the removal of any exception for citizens from indefinite detention.
Right. Don't make O work around the definitions; make the power broad and sweeping!
Dishonesty from politicians is nothing new for Americans. The real question is whether we are lying to ourselves when we call this country the land of the free.
As long as we are the home of the brave, we'll be the land of the free. Or the most free, anyway.
Posted by: Bobby || 01/15/2012 11:42 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Apparently Mr. Turley has never heard of Woodrow Wilson.
Posted by: Pappy || 01/15/2012 13:52 Comments || Top||

#2  Mr. Turley represents Sami al-Arian. Nuff said.
Posted by: RandomJD || 01/15/2012 16:11 Comments || Top||

#3  Pragmatically, e.g. Australia's history as a Penal Colony, iff their home countries don't want 'em back the US will either have to allow pro-Violence Jihadis + other, etc. to stay in CONUS, in LT to be put on track to become fully legal Citizens-Residents; or else find another country to take them in where they will likely establish Jihadi communities + networks there.

Again, Muslims historically wage Wars of Decades + Generations - a conflict isn't gonna end just the current generation of Leaders is degraded or destroyed.

'Tis a CATCH-22???

Lest we fergit, RADICAL MULLAHS = "ISLAM RULES, OR ISLAM IS DESTROYED".
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 01/15/2012 22:10 Comments || Top||


Steyn: The Ron Paul Faction
His appeal is growing after decades of unwon wars.
Posted by: tipper || 01/15/2012 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Where does he (RP) stands on drilling?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 01/15/2012 5:05 Comments || Top||

#2  Appears to be in favor.
Ron Paul - Energy and the Environment
Posted by: tipper || 01/15/2012 6:14 Comments || Top||

#3  Ok!
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 01/15/2012 7:46 Comments || Top||

#4  Unfortunately some of his other views are more detrimental.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain || 01/15/2012 10:47 Comments || Top||

#5  I thought I read some of this yesterday, and wondered who was copying who. So I went back to this and found many similarities - including the author's name.
Posted by: Bobby || 01/15/2012 11:34 Comments || Top||

#6  I believe RP represents a pushback. I don't believe he will succeed but he has shown the way for a protest type voter appeal. Many Democrates and Republicans want a change of direction for this country. The so called independents are those that can't stand their current parties. We have seen how talk is cheap. People want results. Hence the booing of media types like Sephanopoulos at their grillout. Jobs, economy, freedom and future health of our nation are a few of the concerns not birth control issues. The party that taps this energy will reenergize this country. I like the idea of a voter pushback. Show them who really runs this country. Forget the media and political control minority freaks but know they will always be there to line their pockets. This country has a severe case of constipation. We know where the blockage is. They must be told to move or get out of the way. We're not asking yah, we'er telling yah. Well, this is Rantburg."The views and opinions expressed...". :)
Posted by: Dale || 01/15/2012 11:59 Comments || Top||

#7  Justice - our own little bala'a il a'air
Posted by: Frank G || 01/15/2012 12:26 Comments || Top||

#8  Let's assume that any Republican president isn't going to get everything he wants. What is wrong with Ron Paul pushing for a serious change of direction in government and ending up with less? I think we all will benefit from having a president who really believes that government is too large, instead of the rest of the field, who seem more concerned that the spoils are going to the wrong side.
Posted by: Formerly Dan || 01/15/2012 12:48 Comments || Top||

#9  Because he's way too comfortable with _some_ government oppression and use of force and violence, as long as it's administered by Iranians.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain || 01/15/2012 12:57 Comments || Top||

#10  The US will not benefit from a president who is seriously out of touch with US history and traditions. Such as with Obama. Or as with Ron Paul.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 01/15/2012 13:54 Comments || Top||

#11  What I found interesting was this statement:
"To those who dissent from this easy and affordable solution to America’s woes, the Paul campaign likes to point out that it receives more money from America’s men in uniform than anybody else. According to the Federal Election Commission, in the second quarter of 2011, Ron Paul got more donations from service personnel than all other Republican candidates combined plus President Obama. Not unreasonably, serving soldiers are weary of unwon wars — of going to war with everything except war aims and strategic clarity."
As Professor Julius Sumner Miller would say "Why is this so?"
Posted by: tipper || 01/15/2012 15:46 Comments || Top||

#12  Exactly, Anguper. Furthermore, I'm dubious that switching from one extreme to another is the best way to assure markets, investors, and employers of a stable, predictable business environment, the absence of which is the major job-killer.
Posted by: RandomJD || 01/15/2012 15:50 Comments || Top||

#13  RandomJD, Reagan was the extreme opposite of Carter,
and business loved it!

Posted by: Chuck || 01/15/2012 17:03 Comments || Top||

#14  P2K from the previous Steyn thread: Someone needs to check into the 'unending' 100 years war on our frontier from the 18th through the 19th Century.

That wasn't so much of a problem because winning meant we got to keep millions of square miles of land. Since keeping Iraq was never a possibility, I suspect the public's tolerance for war casualties and expenses is somewhat lower.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 01/15/2012 20:14 Comments || Top||


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Let`s ponder on the real threat
[Dawn] HOW desperate and dirty the war for who calls the shots in Pakistain can be is illustrated by innumerable examples, but let us choose one.

`Questions about the ISI`s role in Pakistain have intensified in recent months. The finger of responsibility in many otherwise inexplicable attacks has often pointed to a shadowy outfit of ISI dubbed `S-Wing`, which is said to be dedicated to promoting the dubious agenda of a narrow group of nationalists who believe only they can protect Pakistain`s territorial integrity.

`The time has come for the State Department to declare the S-Wing a sponsor of terrorism under the designation of `foreign governmental organizations`. Plans by the B.O. regime to blacklist the Haqqani network are toothless and will have no material impact on the group`s military support and intelligence logistics; it is S-Wing that allegedly provides all of this in the first place. It no longer matters whether ISI is wilfully blind, complicit or incompetent in the attacks its S-Wing is carrying out. S-Wing must be stopped.

`ISI embodies the scourge of radicalism that has become a cornerstone of Pakistain`s foreign policy. The time has come for America to take the lead in shutting down the political and financial support that sustains an organ of the Pak state that undermines global antiterrorism efforts at every turn. Measures such as stopping aid to Pakistain, as a bill now moving through Congress aims to do, are not the solution. More precise policies are needed to remove the cancer that ISI and its rogue wings have become on the Pak state.

Had you read the quoted paragraphs in an influential western publication wouldn`t you have expected the ISPR (Inter-Services Public Relations Directorate) to issue a strongly worded rebuttal that decried the writing asinspired to undermine a key national security institution? Had the writer been in Pakistain perhaps his fate may not have been very different to Saleem Shahzad`s: life squeezed out brutally, a lot of tell-tale signs but no `conclusive`proof of who was responsible.

But this didn`t happen. You know very well why. These paragraphs followed several others which `implicated` an elected civilian government, apparently fearful of a coup, in asking a foreign power for help in preventing a takeover and offering `concessions` in return.

The rest may not be history but is definitely sub judice.

The less said about it the better. The country`s apex court is already overloaded with the burden of upholding the law and everyone`s great expectations. It wouldn`t be prudent to test its patience, add to its workload.

We have all rightly slammed the government for its poor governance record, for presiding over a mess in each and every public-sector corporation, for the energy crisis, for inept handling of the economy without, of course, the context of the global recession, and for all other faults perceived or real.

However,
you can observe a lot just by watching...
my grouse with the government is on totally different grounds. It has pandered to the military so spinelessly that GHQ now appears to expect and want the sky and doesn`t seem to be in the mood to settle for less.

Look at how the govern-ment has defended the military leadership. I won`t mention that it asked no questions at the ease with which the Orcs and similar vermin breached security at GHQ and Mehran base or even how the US was able to find and eliminate the late Osama bin Laden
... who went shovel-ready...
deep inside Pakistain.

The government placed only itself in the cross-hairs of all critics of the US drone attacks on Pak soil. Few mention who was in charge when this policy was initiated and who has quietly acquiesced to it to this day. What is it, including extensions and funds, that`s been denied the army? The ISPR can issue a statement on the Kerry-Lugar bill; it can contradict the prime minister on a phone conversation between the president and the army chief and it can warn the country`s chief executive that his statement the chief may have acted illegally can have `serious ramifications with potentially grievous consequences` for the country.

It can turn on the country`s chief executive thus: `Any expectation that COAS will not state the facts is neither constitutional nor legal. Allegiance to State and the Constitution is and will always remain prime consideration for the Respondent, who in this case has followed the book.

Why can`t it issue a statement either explaining why the drone attacks may be necessary or asking the government permission to intercept and shoot down the drones? Neither will it issue a statement turning down extensions to its leaders by a `corrupt, treacherous and inept` government.

The army isn`t doing so probably because it is looking forward to the `constitutional and legal` removal of an elected government and moving towards fresh elections which can yield `positive` results.

`We should look for the kind of people we have in the forces who have made the nuclear weapon and the JF [is it 17?] aircraft. Surely, there must be other people who have excelled in their ownfields in the civilian sphere.

These people must be brought forward in the elections,` a very profound former air vice marshal told a TV discussion programme.

One also heard words of wisdom from former ISI general Ihtasham Zamir, the architect of the controlled democracy experiment of 2002, although gratefully no one appeared on the media to take credit for other similar military-engineered experiments.

We have no sense of history so what`s the point in recalling what these experiments delivered. Only free and fair elections at regular intervals ensure a process where discredited or underperforming leaders/parties are sifted out of the system. Nothing else works.

But who`ll bell the cat? Tell those currently engaged in consigning the current `corrupt` lot to history, that long after they have done so the world will still be asking the same questions as raised so eloquently by one Mansoor Ijaz in the three quoted paras.

Such perceptions will represent the only real threat to national security.
Posted by: Fred || 01/15/2012 00:00 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Pakistan


Israel-Palestine-Jordan
Debka Notes
Possibly correct with the story, but wrong with the conclusions
The White House (has) called off Austere Challenge 12, the biggest joint war game the US and Israel have every staged, ready to go in spring. The exercise was officially postponed from spring 2012 to the last quarter of the year over "budgetary constraints" -- an obvous diplomatic locution for cancellation.

Nothing was said about the 9,000 US troops who landed in Israeli earlier this month for a lengthy stay. Neither was the forthcoming visit by Gen. Martin Dempsey, Chairman of the Joint US Chiefs of Staff, Thursday mentioned.

Friday, Jan. 13, the Pentagon announced the substantial buildup of combat power around Iran, stationing nearly 15,000 troops in Kuwait - two Army infantry brigades and a helicopter unit -- and keeping two aircraft carriers the region: The USS Carl Vinson, the USS John Stennis and their strike groups.

[Reports are] that a third aircraft carrier and strike group, the USS Abraham Lincoln, is also on its way to the Persian Gulf.

This massive military buildup indicates that either President Obama rates the odds of an Israel attack as high and is bolstering the defenses of US military assets against Iranian reprisals - or, alternatively, that the United States intends to beat Israel to the draw and attack Iran itself.
Actually, this last bit is likely, because Israel can be pretty quick on the trigger with nuclear weapons if attacked, and they are not going to agree to any p.c. ROE with the US, which Obama would demand.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 01/15/2012 10:47 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Budgetary constraints" my foot......
I kind of agree with anonymoose because if we go it alone and the russians , Syrians, Egiptians, Hamas, Hizbolla et al. come to the conclusion that Obama will sit back and eat popcorn, they will all attack us, in which case I think we will have to use Nukes because we will not be able to successfully cope with five or six active fronts simultaneously using conventional means.
Bambi's hesitation and lame diplomacy will eventually result in a nuclear war in the ME.
Posted by: Elder of Zion || 01/15/2012 12:48 Comments || Top||

#2  I have a friend on the "Lincoln" and it recently arrived at Dubai. If this is common knowledge I apologize for bandwidth usage.
Posted by: borgboy || 01/15/2012 13:08 Comments || Top||

#3  Borgboy, confirmations from personal sources is always good. Besides, I had no idea, so that,s one person you've informed. ;-)
Posted by: trailing wife || 01/15/2012 13:31 Comments || Top||



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