Hi there, !
Today Sat 04/23/2005 Fri 04/22/2005 Thu 04/21/2005 Wed 04/20/2005 Tue 04/19/2005 Mon 04/18/2005 Sun 04/17/2005 Archives
Rantburg
533682 articles and 1861901 comments are archived on Rantburg.

Today: 94 articles and 298 comments as of 19:57.
Post a news link    Post your own article   
Area: WoT Operations    WoT Background    Opinion           
Algeria's GIA chief surrenders
Today's Headlines
Headline Comments [Views]
Page 3: Non-WoT
0 [2] 
2 00:00 phil_b [2] 
0 [1] 
2 00:00 thibaud (aka lex) [] 
8 00:00 SR-71 [5] 
2 00:00 Andrea [1] 
23 00:00 Asedwich [2] 
4 00:00 Shipman [1] 
1 00:00 Shipman [] 
1 00:00 Anonymoose [1] 
9 00:00 Ebbavith Gleart2775 [6] 
3 00:00 thibaud (aka lex) [1] 
3 00:00 Sock Puppet 0’ Doom [1] 
9 00:00 RWV [5] 
12 00:00 Pappy [2] 
5 00:00 Chuck Simmins [2] 
1 00:00 Bomb-a-rama [1] 
0 [] 
0 [5] 
0 [1] 
2 00:00 BenardZ [1] 
2 00:00 Shipman [1] 
23 00:00 OldSpook [1] 
7 00:00 Bomb-a-rama [2] 
0 [2] 
3 00:00 tu3031 [1] 
Page 1: WoT Operations
1 00:00 phil_b [7]
0 [4]
2 00:00 Tkat [1]
3 00:00 Fred [11]
11 00:00 Sobiesky [4]
24 00:00 3dc [5]
1 00:00 Sock Puppet 0’ Doom [6]
0 [3]
4 00:00 Anonymoose [3]
2 00:00 Pappy [2]
1 00:00 tu3031 [3]
0 [2]
0 []
1 00:00 Tkat [1]
0 [2]
0 []
0 [5]
0 []
1 00:00 Bomb-a-rama [2]
0 [1]
7 00:00 trailing wife [8]
0 [1]
0 [3]
3 00:00 Liberalhawk []
1 00:00 Alaska Paul [1]
0 [2]
4 00:00 Threque Uloluns4886 [9]
2 00:00 Jame Retief [3]
0 [1]
2 00:00 Zhang Fei [2]
2 00:00 Seafarious [1]
Page 2: WoT Background
3 00:00 Atomic Conspiracy [8]
0 [10]
5 00:00 DMFD [5]
0 [2]
2 00:00 SwissTex []
1 00:00 Jackal [1]
6 00:00 rjschwarz []
4 00:00 thibaud (aka lex) [1]
6 00:00 john [12]
9 00:00 Shipman []
0 [5]
0 []
2 00:00 Threque Uloluns4886 [4]
0 []
0 [1]
4 00:00 CrazyFool [3]
0 []
0 []
4 00:00 cook the rabbi [8]
0 [1]
4 00:00 .com []
0 []
1 00:00 Liberalhawk []
2 00:00 mojo [1]
0 [6]
1 00:00 Seafarious [1]
12 00:00 Cyber Sarge []
1 00:00 Bomb-a-rama [2]
1 00:00 Bomb-a-rama [3]
11 00:00 Shipman []
0 []
1 00:00 Sock Puppet 0’ Doom [3]
1 00:00 Alaska Paul []
11 00:00 Shipman [1]
0 [2]
Page 4: Opinion
1 00:00 SwissTex []
11 00:00 3dc [6]
-Short Attention Span Theater-
"We Are The Pope"
Posted by: mrp || 04/20/2005 16:02 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:


Christophobia in Europe
Posted by: thibaud (aka lex) || 04/20/2005 16:08 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This part is profound:

"For the many Europeans who dislike religion, it was easy enough to dismiss the late pope as a "backward" Pole, and to find him inconsequential even when he somehow persuaded millions of young people to attend his outdoor "youth" Masses. But the advent of a German pope, who in fact shares many of John Paul II's views, may well make religion part of the European political debate again, this time on the western as well as the eastern half of the continent. At the very least, a German-speaking pope will be hard for Germans to ignore.

[This] might also hold clues to the future of the battered, long-suffering transatlantic relationship. While many of the cultural differences between Europe and America are vastly overstated, the religious differences are profound. It's hard to be in politics in this country and not at least pay lip service to religion, as John Kerry can attest. In Europe, by contrast, political leaders who profess religious beliefs are derided. Tony Blair is mocked for his piety; the French protested when their president went to the pope's funeral; and the Italian Rocco Buttiglione had to withdraw his candidacy as Euro commissioner on the grounds that his Catholicism might get in the way of his legal judgment.

Perhaps [the cardinals] they are betting that the enormous growth in the European Muslim population, with all the questions it raises about national identity in countries such as Holland and France, may lead many Europeans, if not directly back to religion, then at least to a recognition that there is a role for the church in public life, or at the very least in history books...."
Posted by: thibaud (aka lex) || 04/20/2005 16:24 Comments || Top||

#2  Hatred of religion allows the European left (and for that matter the center) to pretend that the WoT is a struggle between two varieties of religious extremism. If they were to actually listen to Christian intellectuals, like Benedict XVI, they'd have to abandon this myth and start to live in the real world.
Posted by: thibaud (aka lex) || 04/20/2005 16:29 Comments || Top||


Don't Mess With Granny's....Kitty
A spry 90-year-old grandmother from Maine grabbed a wild bobcat by the tail and head recently to separate the animal's mouth from her beloved calico's head. `When you've lived with a cat for 20 years, it becomes part of your family, part of your life, so I didn't hesitate a bit to grab that bobcat,'' said Mildred Luce of Wyman Township. Luce, who has lived alone since her husband died in 1988, has seen bears and other animals in her yard. ``It's modified wilderness out here, so you'd expect that, but I never saw a bobcat until then,'' she said. Without Luce's intervention March 18, the cat, named Smudge, would have probably met the same fate as Foxy, Luce's tiger cat. Foxy, a 6-year-old, was attacked the previous night and died two days later. Luce said she heard a noise near her front door, went outside and saw the bobcat with Smudge's head inside its mouth. ``I grabbed it by the head and tail and pulled. It let go, and Smudge bit the bobcat and ran inside the house,'' Luce said.
"Paws, don't fail me now!"
The bobcat followed Smudge inside, going room to room looking for the cat. Luce trapped the bobcat in the bathroom. Smudge is recovering. Animal control workers killed the bobcat, and tests for rabies were negative.
It's the only picture we have of a "cat fight", so sue me.
Posted by: Steve || 04/20/2005 1:52:42 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1 
It's the only picture we have of a "cat fight", so sue me.

Good enough for me. And anyway, those legs look better.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 04/20/2005 15:25 Comments || Top||

#2  Mildred performed a miracle and lived to tell about it! That is one BIG cat tale and not a fish story- there was a Boston radio talking about this story on the a.m. news.

Mildred really is THE CATS MEOW**

ANdrea Jackson
Posted by: Andrea || 04/20/2005 16:13 Comments || Top||


13 things that do not make sense
Posted by: tipper || 04/20/2005 11:05 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

Science does NOT have all the answers.
Posted by: OldSpook || 04/20/2005 17:58 Comments || Top||

#2  The answer is Atlanta.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/20/2005 18:20 Comments || Top||

#3  The answer is 42.

NO I am not a Wikiwanker, nor do I play one in real life.
Posted by: Sock Puppet 0’ Doom || 04/20/2005 18:28 Comments || Top||


AFP: New pope intervened against Kerry in US 2004 election campaign
The slurs have started! I did not think this was a smart move at the time, but that time has long passed and it is irrelevant to his selection as Pope.
German Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, the Vatican theologian who was elected Pope Benedict XVI, intervened in the 2004 US election campaign ordering bishops to deny communion to abortion rights supporters including presidential candidate John Kerry.
File under "whoopdy doo." He's a Catholic. That was his job.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 04/20/2005 9:47:34 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It's perfectly relevant to his selection as Pope. It proves he's willing to stand behind the laws of the Church.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 04/20/2005 10:05 Comments || Top||

#2  I agree, RC! I'm not Catholic myself, but I do prefer my teachers/preachers to stand behind the Word of God and implement Christ's teachings.
Posted by: BA || 04/20/2005 10:16 Comments || Top||

#3  I am Catholic and I applaud Pope Benidict XVI for taking a stand. If you call yourself a Catholic for political purposes you should at least FOLLOW and PRACTICE what the Church teaches.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 04/20/2005 10:19 Comments || Top||

#4  No bias here. folks. Just Move On....
Posted by: Pappy || 04/20/2005 10:57 Comments || Top||

#5  You mean Just Move On.org, Pappy?
Posted by: BA || 04/20/2005 11:05 Comments || Top||

#6  A gross distortion.

Here is the document in question: LINK

Here is a discussion about what it really meant: LINK

And, as I recall, Kerry was never denied Holy Communion by anyone.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 04/20/2005 11:18 Comments || Top||

#7  You cannot publicly tell the Church to stuff it's moral rules and then expect to be given the benefits (such as they are) of the Church's services.

Common sense, anyone?
Posted by: mojo || 04/20/2005 13:33 Comments || Top||

#8  Yep, common sense. I'm not Catholic but from what I've heard of Ratzinger I hope he lives to be 150.
Posted by: AzCat || 04/20/2005 14:50 Comments || Top||

#9  The MSM's reactions continue to astound and amuse. They all amount to:

How DARE the Catholics have a CATHOLIC for a Pope! We want them to be Anglicans, or Universalist Unitarians!
Posted by: OldSpook || 04/20/2005 17:48 Comments || Top||

#10  LOL and that sumers it up OS.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/20/2005 18:30 Comments || Top||

#11  I'm not clear how ordering churchmen to follow the articles of their faith constitutes intervention in "the 2004 US election campaign".

Well, nevermind...I'm always confused.
Posted by: Quana || 04/20/2005 18:51 Comments || Top||

#12  You mean Just Move On.org, Pappy?

Kinda. I didn't want to attract the moonbats to Rantburg. It's no fun when there's lots of 'em to pick off.
Posted by: Pappy || 04/20/2005 19:13 Comments || Top||


Body discovered in Alps was earl
DNA tests confirm a decomposed body found in the Alps is that of the missing Earl of Shaftesbury, French detectives have said.
"It's him, and he's dead, Jim"
The body of Anthony Ashley-Cooper, 66, was found in the hills between Cannes and Nice. The earl, who had homes in Sussex and London, but spent much of his time in France, went missing five months ago. His third wife, Jamila M'Barek, 37, and her brother, Mohammed M'Barek, 40, are both under investigation for murder. His remains were uncovered in undergrowth earlier this month after signals from his mobile phone allowed police to work out his location as family and friends tried to call him.
Left his phone on the body, did they? Nice work by CSI-France tracing the cell signals to the site.
Tests at Pasteur Hospital, Nice, confirmed the identity, police said. The Earl's sister, Lady Frances Ashley-Cooper, said the family was relieved the body had been discovered. "After five months of anguish, now he is going to have a burial and a funeral," she said. "That is vital for the family, it is what we have been crying for for months." The flamboyant aristocrat, who was educated at Eton and Oxford, vanished from the Noga Hilton Hotel, Cannes, on 6 November. He is reported to have been short of money before his death and had been taking legal action after a theft. It is also claimed he was trying to recover some of the hundreds of thousands of pounds he spent on third wife Ms M'Barek, a former hooker nightclub hostess. Ms M'Barek has allegedly confessed to playing a part in the earl's disappearance.
Inviting him over for tea while her brother lay in wait
She is undergoing treatment for depression at a prison hospital in Nice. French police now fear she could retract what she has told them, claiming she spoke while mentally unfit.
Nice plan if it works
Mohammed M'Barek was arrested on suspicion of murder after being extradited to France from Munich, Germany. The 10th Earl of Shaftesbury owned property in London and on Hove seafront, but most of it was in France including apartments in Cannes and Versailles and a country home near Toulouse. He divided his time between Britain and the south of France where he had a reputation as an international playboy.
Posted by: Steve || 04/20/2005 9:24:12 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  His remains were uncovered in undergrowth earlier this month after signals from his mobile phone allowed police to work out his location as family and friends tried to call him.

He was buried for five months and his cell phone still worked? Even without use, that's pretty good.
Posted by: Penguin || 04/20/2005 10:15 Comments || Top||

#2  DNA tests confirm a decomposed body found in the Alps is that of the missing Earl of Shaftesbury, French detectives have said.

Now they know with certainty he got the shaft.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 04/20/2005 10:27 Comments || Top||

#3  ...and then got buried.
Posted by: mojo || 04/20/2005 15:48 Comments || Top||

#4  I wuz gonna post a picture of an apache dancer, but I got the fear.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/20/2005 16:04 Comments || Top||

#5  Dad had some kind of a Jersey accent, so the phrase "They found earl in the Alps" means OPEC will be cringing.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 04/20/2005 16:34 Comments || Top||


-Signs, Portents, and the Weather-
Hurricane help: Model predicts strength
Scientists have built a computer model that could help limit damage by predicting the strength of hurricane activity in the United States. The model uses anomalies in wind patterns during July over the United States, the east Pacific and North Atlantic to forecast what will happen during the height of the U.S. hurricane period from August to October.
"We have developed a model for predicting the strength of hurricane activity striking the United States for the main hurricane season," Mark Saunders, of University College London, told Reuters. "It is something scientists have been trying to do for over two decades."
Saunders and fellow researcher Adam Lea found that the strength and direction of the anomalies over six key areas enabled them to make a useful forecast.
"This model predicts the strength of the hurricane season as a whole for strikes on North America," said Saunders, who reported the findings in the science journal Nature. "It tells you the likelihood of high or low hurricane damage." The long-term average for the Atlantic basin is 9.6 storms and 5.9 hurricanes including 2.3 intense hurricanes. But during the 2004 season there were 15 tropical storms. Nine developed into hurricanes. A storm becomes a tropical storm and is named when it has winds of more than 39 miles per hour. Once the wind speed gets to 74 mph or greater it is classified a hurricane.

Saunders and Lea tested the accuracy of their computer model by retrospectively predicting hurricane activity over the last 50 years. They successfully forecast whether the hurricane activity was stronger or weaker in the majority of seasons. "The main benefit is that it will reduce any financial risk and uncertainty that any company or government faces with the upcoming hurricane season," Saunders said.
Last year's hurricane season, which was one of the most destructive ever recorded, caused billions of dollars of damage. It included 15 tropical storms, including nine that grew into hurricanes. American researchers have predicted the 2005 season will also be fierce. Saunders and Lea's forecast for the 2005 season will be available at www.tropicalstormrisk.com on August 4.
Posted by: Steve || 04/20/2005 4:38:37 PM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This years storms are going to be strong and virile. That's my prediction.

/fluid dynamics is hard for most models
Posted by: Barbie || 04/20/2005 17:07 Comments || Top||

#2  I wouldn't bet on an above average hurricane season. Here in Western Australia our cyclone season has just ended and we get an average of 3 Indian Ocean cyclones a year. This year we got none. The only cyclone was a rare Pacific cyclone that came through the narrow waterway to the north of Australia.
Posted by: phil_b || 04/20/2005 19:56 Comments || Top||


Iceburg Breaks Antarctica, Bush at fault...somehow
An iceberg that collided with Antarctica has broken a piece of the continent off, forcing maps of the bottom of the world to be redrawn, European scientists said today. The iceberg, named B-15A, is whopping 71 miles (115 kilometers) long. Scientists predicted an imminent collision back in January. Instead, the iceberg ran aground and stalled out. Then it broke free last month. Now it has finally collided with the continent's Drygalski ice tongue and smacked a city sized chunk of it into the ocean. The frigid carnage is visible in a new satellite image from the European Space Agency (ESA). The picture was taken April 15 and released today. The Drygalski ice tongue sticks out into the McMurdo Sound on the Ross Sea and figures into maps of the region. The tongue is about 44 miles (70 kilometers) long. Or at least it was. The broken-off piece is about 3 miles (5 kilometers) long.
That's a lot of tongue
B-15A is the largest chunk left of a bigger iceberg, known as B-15, that broke off the Ross Ice Shelf in March 2000. That initial frozen hunk was about the size of Jamaica. After B-15 broke apart, the chunk named B-15A drifted into McMurdo Sound, where it blocked ocean currents and caused other sea ice to build up, threatening wildlife. More collisions between the iceberg and Drygalski are possible, the scientists said.
Posted by: Steve || 04/20/2005 10:49:58 AM || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  WTF are they doing calling a spit of ice a "piece of the continent"? It may have been a permanent feature (until now), but that doesn't make it land.
Posted by: BH || 04/20/2005 11:22 Comments || Top||

#2  Wake me when they get to the B-17G
Posted by: Shipman || 04/20/2005 11:52 Comments || Top||

#3  Frigid carnage. Heh.
Posted by: Seafarious || 04/20/2005 11:54 Comments || Top||

#4  Game over, man. Game over. We're f***ed! We're doomed! The icebergs are going to come and they're gonna--

Posted by: Hudson || 04/20/2005 12:21 Comments || Top||

#5  "...the iceberg ran aground..."

Was Captain Hazelwood on it?
Posted by: Jackal || 04/20/2005 12:53 Comments || Top||

#6  It's the B-52G, Shipman. ;)

Ice breaks off all the time (as witness the 2000/B15 floater), but tend to circle the bottom of the world like ice cubes in a drink.
Posted by: mojo || 04/20/2005 13:30 Comments || Top||

#7 
Posted by: Shipman || 04/20/2005 13:56 Comments || Top||

#8  Thanks Eidtors.
ima lern hmtl
Posted by: Shipman || 04/20/2005 16:52 Comments || Top||

#9  mojo, the only B-52Gs left are in museums and in the hearts of old guys who flew them. The rest had their wings chopped off and their fuselages chopped into three pieces as part of START II.
Posted by: RWV || 04/20/2005 21:47 Comments || Top||


Britain
Legal challenge to postal voting system lodged (UK election)
The Government is facing a legal challenge in the High Court on Thursday over the risk of postal vote fraud in the general election. John Hemming, a Liberal Democrat candidate in Birmingham, is trying to force the Government to make last-minute changes to the new postal voting system. Mr Hemming has lodged an application against the new system on human rights grounds. He claims, first, that the Government has failed to provide for free and fair elections, and, second, that there is discrimination between different parts of the UK because the new system is not in use in Northern Ireland.

A deputy leader of Birmingham City Council, Mr Hemming was the prime mover in having an election court set up in Birmingham to investigate reports of mass electoral fraud with postal ballots. The court ruled that six councillors should be removed from office, after hearing how police raided a postal votes "factory", to find a group of party activists altering piles of postal vote forms. Under the current system, returning officers must accept postal ballot papers even if they are covered in crossings out. Fears have been voiced that similar abuses are occurring in the current election, with voters pressured by activists to apply for a postal vote and then to hand the ballot paper over to party workers rather than send it direct to the returning officer.

"My views on the way the Government has left the postal voting system in disarray are unprintable," Mr Hemming told Times Online. "It has done a lot of damage to Britain's constitutional procedures. I find it very sad that we are going into the 21st century reverting to 18th century political methods."

On April 4 Richard Mawrey QC, the High Court judge who presided at the Birmingham election court, said that when the new system was trialled last year, it threw up electoral fraud "that would disgrace a banana republic". The judge went on: "To assert [as the Government did in a statement] that 'the systems already in place to deal with the allegations of electoral fraud are clearly working' indicates a state not simply of complacency but of denial... The fact is that there are no systems to deal realistically with fraud, and there never have been. Until there are, fraud will continue unabated."

Mr Hemming makes four demands. He wants the postal voting system changed by an Order in Council, so that:

postal votes are counted separately from non-postal votes, to make evidence of fraud more obvious

parties are allowed to inspect the application forms for postal voting, to spot any evidence of fraud

a list is kept of all the people who turn up at polling stations unaware that a postal vote has been applied for in their name
They sound sensible precautions to me given the extent of fraud that has been uncovered.
the period in which election petitions can be filed, querying an election result, is extended from 21 days to two months.

Due to the urgency of the issue with the election looming, Mr Hemming's application for permission for a judicial review and the judicial review itself will both be heard on Thursday. A second application for judicial review will be lodged this week by George Galloway's Respect political party and the Birmingham-based People's Justice Party (PJP). Fatema Patwa, the solicitor acting for Respect and the PJP, said that the second application was being made on the same legal grounds under the Human Rights Act. However her clients were instead calling for the rules on postal voting to revert to the way they were before the reforms of 2001, so that only the elderly and infirm and those living away from home would be eligible for a postal vote. "Electoral fraud is an issue that needs to be aired," said Ms Patwa. "Since Parliament is dissolved, the courts are the only forum in which it can be aired."

Dominic Kennedy, The Times investigations editor, said that Mr Hemming had scored a considerable success in the Birmingham election court. He said: "He is now trying to apply the lessons of that judgment to the general election. People will be worried that he will outwit the system. "What is exciting about all these cases is that judges will have the chance to consider evidence on whether the election can be fairly held and whether the results can be trusted." Mr Kennedy however dismissed as "an absurdity" the idea that a High Court judge would delay the election while the issue was sorted out.
Interesting dynamic in that Muslims have voted overwhelmingly Labour in the past but are now really pissed at Blair over Iraq and anti-terrorism. Not sure if the opinion polls are measuring this.
Posted by: phil_b || 04/20/2005 5:18:13 AM || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:


Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
'Da... Nyet, Nyet, Nyet!' Rice Tells Russians
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice tried out her rusty Russian in a Moscow radio interview Wednesday, only to get caught out by a question on whether she might run for president.
"Da (Yes)," Rice answered in Russian, before realizing her misunderstanding and hastily adding "Nyet" (No) -- seven times.
Rice's interview on Ekho Moskvy radio turned into a linguistic ordeal when the Soviet expert and former provost of Stanford university fielded a schoolgirl listener's question on how she achieved her career success.
"It's too complicated to answer!" Rice, in Russia to meet President
Vladimir Putin, started out in English. "It is an opportunity for me to come back to Russia, a place I love very much. I love the culture and the language."
She then switched into Russian, but quickly hit trouble.
Apparently meaning to say that she would like to do her next interview in the language of her host, she chose a verb that sounded more like "to earn money" than the Russian for "to do."
"You understand it will be very difficult because I am out of practice, and in your language there are these awful cases!" she continued. "It's very difficult for us, and it is very difficult to talk without making mistakes."
The insta-joke from this was that they asked Rice a complicated question, and she shut her eyes for a few seconds to concentrate, until prompted, then hastily replied, "Just a few seconds more, I'm learning your language!"
Posted by: Anonymoose || 04/20/2005 5:03:20 PM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:


China-Japan-Koreas
China calls for new Pope to break Vatican ties with Taiwan
BEIJING - Beijing called Wednesday on new Pope Benedict XVI to break ties with Taiwan and stay out of China's internal affairs to create the conditions for better Sino-Vatican relations. "We are willing to improve the relationship between China and the Vatican on the basis of two principles," said foreign ministry spokesman Qin Gang of ties that were ruptured in 1951 when China expelled the Vatican's ambassador.

"One is that Joseph Ratzinger should welch on his commitments break off the so-called diplomatic relationship with Taiwan and recognise that the government of the People's Republic of China is the only legitimate government which represents China and that Taiwan is an inseparable part of China.

"The second is that Ratzinger should kowtow to us so that we can control the Church in China not interfere in internal Chinese affairs, including in the name of religion.

"We hope that with a new Pope, the Vatican can create conditions to improve China-Vatican relations."

Despite not recognizing the authority of the Pope, the official Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association had sent a congratulatory telegram "in the name of the Bishops and believers of the whole country," the ministry said. It added that congregations had been ordered told to pray for Pope Benedict XVI.

China's Roman Catholics are divided into two churches—the government-approved "patriotic" church which does not recognize the authority of the Pope, and the underground church where adherents accept the pontiff as leader. The government church has about four million worshippers, according to official figures, while the underground church has about 10 million, based on Vatican estimates.

Breaking through half-a-century of enmity to re-establish relations with China may be the greatest diplomatic challenge facing Pope Benedict XVI as he takes on the mantle as leader of 1.1 billion Roman Catholics worldwide.
Then again, standing up to the ChiComs might be the smartest diplomatic move he can make.
Fixing broken ties with China would spread the new pontiff's spiritual realm to the most populous nation on earth, home to 1.3 billion people. But it is precisely that global influence that scares Beijing.
You guys remember Poland, 1981?
China sent no representative to Pope John Paul II's funeral in Rome on April 8 to protest the presence of Taiwan President Chen Shui-bian at the event. Any hint of recognition of Taipei infuriates China, which considers the island a rebel province.
Posted by: Steve White || 04/20/2005 12:00:18 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I'm no expert on Catholic affairs,but I doubt that John Paul's suscessor would abandon Taiwan.
Posted by: . || 04/20/2005 1:31 Comments || Top||

#2  If I were a pope, I would say to Chinks:
"Ascendo tuum. Amen"
Posted by: Sobiesky || 04/20/2005 1:45 Comments || Top||

#3  Ghesundheit, Sobiesky. What does it mean?

Hopefully there is no Chamberlain in Pope Benedict.
Posted by: Jame Retief || 04/20/2005 7:31 Comments || Top||

#4  I know enough Latin to know that tuum is yours and enough English to see ascendo looks a lot like ascend, or go up.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 04/20/2005 7:57 Comments || Top||

#5  The guy is now styled Pope Benedict XVI and they're still calling him Joe Ratzinger? My feeling is that they're giving him the finger, the way they once gave Israel the finger by serving shrimp and pork products at an function in China for Israel. Typical Chinese bad manners.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 04/20/2005 7:59 Comments || Top||

#6  I shouldn't really say it's bad manners - it just that they expect him to prostrate himself before them, just as they expected Japan to prostrate itself before them. I think they believe China's power and influence to be bigger than it really is.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 04/20/2005 8:00 Comments || Top||

#7  Haven't you been reading their press, Zhang? They're the most powerful nation in the world...someday.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 04/20/2005 8:05 Comments || Top||

#8  Did you read the reports about Japan being prepared to apologize to Australia for WW2. Sounds like a snub to China to me.
Posted by: phil_b || 04/20/2005 8:12 Comments || Top||

#9  Here's some pig Latin for them: Uck-fay ou-yay!
Posted by: Spot || 04/20/2005 8:24 Comments || Top||

#10  The relationship between China and the Vatican pits the two oldest diplomacies in the world against eachother. The Vatican can be pursuaded to change its relationship with Taiwan, but only by recognizing the Church in China. There may be many dance steps by both parties around the issue, and agita by the carload. Yet, in the end, Peking is not about to allow an independent Church, and Rome will not end its relationship with Free China without that.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 04/20/2005 8:59 Comments || Top||

#11  Benedict XVI is even more anti-communist than John Paul II was. This is something I can attest to.
Chinese Commies are probably the last people on earth who can tell him what to do.
If the "official" Patriotic Catholics don't recognize the Pope they are no Catholics. Very simple.
Posted by: True German Ally || 04/20/2005 9:15 Comments || Top||

#12  look for a complementary crackdown and imprisonment of Chinese underground Catholics. Chinese diplomacy at its finest. I hope i live to see the day the politburo is killed by the mobs
Posted by: Frank G || 04/20/2005 10:12 Comments || Top||

#13  "If you stick it to Taiwan, we might call you Benedict. Maybe. And you gotta eat a burger on Good Friday. Then we'll consider it...."

BTW, isn't China the location of the last "secret" cardinal? I heard there was still one out there. Maybe my information is wrong.
Posted by: Desert Blondie || 04/20/2005 11:23 Comments || Top||

#14  Blondie, since he's secret, no one knows. But we assume he is Chinese. The real issue is whether or not Pope John Paul the Great ever told anyone who it was. Or, he may remain secret for a very long time.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 04/20/2005 11:27 Comments || Top||

#15  Mrs. Davis, you've almost nailed it! ;-)
You can translate it as "up yours!"
Posted by: Sobiesky || 04/20/2005 13:55 Comments || Top||

#16  Stupid Question:
I don't understand the point of a secret cardinal. Could someone explain it to me? Thanks.
Posted by: Yosemite Sam || 04/20/2005 14:20 Comments || Top||

#17  I think it is widely assumed that China's secret cardinal is Bishop Joseph Zen, who ministers to Hong Kong's spiritual needs.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 04/20/2005 14:39 Comments || Top||

#18  Cardinal Zen? Nice to see the Church pushing the frontiers of interfaith dialogue
Posted by: thibaud (aka lex) || 04/20/2005 14:42 Comments || Top||

#19  Sam, the Pope names "secret" cardinals in countries where the Church is persecuted, and the public announcement would lead to that clergyman's injury. In the past, bishops and even priests have been so placed. Sadly, there are still people being martyred for the Faith in the 21st Century.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 04/20/2005 14:46 Comments || Top||

#20  Ah, Chuck Simmins beat me to it!
Posted by: Desert Blondie || 04/20/2005 14:49 Comments || Top||

#21  Zhang, unlikely.
Bishop Lin Xili is among those named on the list published by AsiaNews of 18 bishops and 19 priests in prison or in isolation in China. He is one of the bishops of the underground Church who are periodically arrested and subjected to brainwashing sessions to force them to register with the the Patriotic Association, the entity through which the Chinese Communist Party controls Catholics: among its aims is to create a Church independent from the pope.
AsiaNews

It's most likely one of the above.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 04/20/2005 14:50 Comments || Top||

#22  Is there before or after the next ChiCom torture of Christians?

I say we sprinkle some nuclear 'holy water' on the ChiCom gov.
Posted by: Dennis Kucinich || 04/20/2005 16:36 Comments || Top||

#23  Benedict will tell them 3 or 5 words.

Not. Gonna. Happen.

Or, a little more in the vernacular,

Go Piss Up A Rope

Whats that? Chinese outrage? Oh Zheng, you misheard him, he said

"Kiss up to the Pope"
Posted by: OldSpook || 04/20/2005 17:32 Comments || Top||


Down Under
Australian Tourists Angry Over Roadworks
AUSTRALIANS arriving at Gallipoli for Anzac Day commemorations have been left shocked by the desecration of the historic landing site.

Work the Federal Government requested in a bid to prepare Anzac Cove for the 90th anniversary of the landing has backfired - instead leaving visitors to the battlefield angry and confused.
"It was pretty bad - sites like that should be left as they were in their original condition," tourist Doug Burns said.

The Wollstonecraft man arrived early in Turkey ahead of next Monday's 90th anniversary and toured the battlefield yesterday.

"It is pretty unrecognisable from what it was. There was mud in the water.

"I don't have anyone buried here but I can see how people who have would feel about it. I can't see the benefits of getting people to the site justifies this. People could walk a few kilometres to get here."

The Daily Telegraph last month revealed repair work at Anzac Cove unearthed human remains - a fact denied by Prime Minister John Howard for more than five weeks.

He finally admitted this week that the Government had asked the Turkish Government last year to complete the work, worried about the safety of more than 20,000 visitors.

But on Sunday night he asked Turkish authorities to stop road works after being informed a wall would be built above Anzac Cove which would severely alter the appearance of the site.

Australian historian and journalist Bill Sellars, who first revealed that bones had been disturbed, said last night visitors were "stopping in their tracks" when they saw the new roadwork and carpark construction.

"They just stand there and say, 'What the hell?" Mr Sellars said.

"Anzac Cove is gone.

"Before (the roadworks constructed by the Turks) you could stand on the road above Anzac Cove and look up into the hills and you would have the same view as Australian and New Zealand soldiers would have had on April 25, 1915.

"Now, it's no longer physically possible to step off the beach and follow the path of the first Australians who landed. It's deeply upsetting, and it's upsetting for many people."

Mr Sellars, who has lived in Turkey for 10 years - three of those on a peninsula just 10km from Anzac Cove - believes maintenance had to be carried out on the road, but that it was botched.

The Government attacked the revelations before being forced into a humiliating admission that they were accurate.

Opposition Leader Kim Beazley blamed the Government for requesting the roadworks be done "without the sensible advice of archaeologists".
Posted by: God Save The World || 04/20/2005 1:07:17 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  There's nothing you can do, guys. I love y'all, but it's the Turks' territory, and if they want to be jerks, well, there's nothing that says they can't be jerks.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 04/20/2005 10:40 Comments || Top||


Australian man quizzed over spying for Vietnam
A NORTHERN Territory man is being investigated by ASIO for allegedly spying for Vietnam.

Ian Nancarrow, 39, is a helicopter maintenance supervisor for the army in Darwin.
ASIO and the Defence Security Authority have accused him of selling military secrets to the Government in Hanoi, the latest edition of The Bulletin magazine reports.

Mr Nancarrow says he is being victimised because he blew the whistle on soldiers who were falsifying chopper safety reports.

He said he fixed engines and had no access to weapons or electronics.

Mr Nancarrow works for the Queensland-based company Helitech.

His job is to sign off on the work carried out by army trainees who maintain the nine military Bell Jet Ranger 206B-1 Kiowa reconnaissance helicopters that are stationed in Darwin.

Mr Nancarrow, of Berry Springs, 30km south of Darwin, is married to a Vietnamese woman and has visited Vietnam nine times.

He told The Bulletin he was investigated by ASIO after complaining that young soldiers had forged his signature to sign off his approval in their work journals.

He said it was easier for the military to expel an outside contractor than court-martial its own men.

Mr Nancarrow said he was first interviewed by two intelligence officers at RAAF Base Darwin and was accused of being paid to work for the Vietnamese. When he was called in for a second interview, he took his union organiser, Joe Gallagher, with him.

"They were secretive," Mr Gallagher told The Bulletin journalist Paul Toohey.

"We are concerned our member put in a complaint that his signature has been forged. Instead of investigating the complaint, they've investigated the civilian."

Mr Nancarrow has taken about 50 army men on holiday to Vietnam in the past few years. He admitted he had been accused of running a mail-order bride service.
Posted by: God Save The World || 04/20/2005 1:04:21 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Democrats enter Bali argument
THE nine Australians under arrest in Bali on possible drug trafficking charges should have been arrested in Australia, the Democrats said today.

Justice Minister Chris Ellison had much to answer for in allowing them to be detained in Indonesia on Australian information, and left to face execution, Democrats leader Lyn Allison said.

The Australian Federal Police and the Federal Government have faced criticism for tipping off Indonesian police about the alleged drug ring, leading to the arrests of the nine in Bali where the death penalty applies for drug trafficking.

"It's outrageous for the minister to now suggest that Australia didn't consider the matter that they may face the death penalty," Senator Allison said.

"This is a first offence and death penalty is not justice for those circumstances.

"They should have been tried in Australia and returned here rather than face the death penalty in Indonesia."

Senator Allison said Australia did not have laws that resulted in people being executed.

"That's been a very longstanding legal situation in this country, and one that I believe has wide public support," she said.

"It's a bit like the 'Pacific solution' for asylum seekers.

"It's also a bit like those people who are taken to other countries to be tortured.

"It seems the Government wants to evade its own laws and to send a message to people via the laws of another country which are more extreme."
Posted by: God Save The World || 04/20/2005 3:38:00 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:


No sympathy for nine: Downer
FOREIGN Alexander Downer said today he would have no sympathy for the nine Australians arrested in Bali if they were found guilty of drug trafficking.

Families of four of the arrested Australians accused of heroin smuggling were to arrive in Bali today, Mr Downer said.
Mr Downer described the allegations against the nine Australians as "extremely serious".

"When people travel to other parts of the world, they should not only read the (Australian Government) travel advisories but they should also make absolutely sure that they understand that the Australian Government can't send in the SAS and bail you out if you get into trouble," Mr Downer said.

"Some people think that they can traffic drugs and not get caught and make a lot of money very easily at the expense of the consumers of those drugs whose lives will be ruined, and in some cases their lives will be lost, by those drugs.

"I have no sympathy at all for people who get involved in drug trafficking. It is completely wrong to do it.

"In this case, there are nine people who have been arrested — it is alleged they have been involved in drug trafficking, and they have the right to the presumption of innocence.

"But there is no excuse for people thinking they can somehow get away with drug trafficking. They cannot.

"They can rest assured that our police and the police of the region and Interpol, we are all working day and night to stop drug trafficking.

"We are looking all the time for people who think they can get away with drug trafficking."
Posted by: God Save The World || 04/20/2005 3:36:49 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This is why I like Downer and why he would make a good UN Sec Gen. He tells it like it is.
Posted by: phil_b || 04/20/2005 7:03 Comments || Top||

#2  I nominated the the Bali 9 for a Darwin award.

To be eligible,



Nominees significantly improve the gene pool by eliminating themselves
from the human race in an obviously stupid way. They are self-selected
examples of the dangers inherent in a lack of common sense, and all
human races, cultures, and socioeconomic groups are eligible to compete.
Actual winners must meet the following criteria:

Reproduction
Out of the gene pool: dead or sterile.
Excellence
Astounding misapplication of judgment.
Self-Selection
Cause one's own demise.
Maturity
Capable of sound judgment.
Veracity
The event must be true.


.....

What are they?

The Darwin Awards commemorate individuals who protect our gene pool by
making the ultimate sacrifice of their own lives: by eliminating
themselves in an extraordinarily idiotic manner, thereby improving our
species' chance of long-term survival. In other words, they are
cautionary tales about people who kill themselves in really stupid ways,
and in doing so, significantly improve the gene pool by eliminating
themselves from the human race.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Seems to me that these people qualify.
Posted by: BenardZ || 04/20/2005 9:07 Comments || Top||


Europe
Mister Moto Murdered?
The exiled opposition leader of the former Spanish colony Equatorial Guinea was feared murdered. Severo Moto, who lives in exile in Madrid, is thought to have been killed, the Spanish Foreign Ministry said. "We are afraid that Moto may have been murdered," one ministry source was quoted as saying by the Spanish daily El Pais. Moto's wife Margarita Eki has made an official complaint to police about her husband's disappearance. Moto has been missing for two weeks. Teodoro Obiang, who has ruled the oil-rich former Spanish colony since 1979, has recently called for Moto's extradition from Spain. Obiang claimed Moto had taken part in a failed coup in March 2003, which was allegedly backed by the Spanish government and part-funded by the son of former British prime minister Margaret Thatcher.
Oh, that coup.
Due to worries about his security Moto often went on trips without telling even his closest aides. The last time he was heard of he was going to Croatia on a business trip.
Now there's a nice safe place to travel when you're worried about security, the Balkens. What could happen there?
The Spanish foreign ministry said they feared Moto was dead after being briefed by Spain's secret intelligence service, the CNI.
Posted by: Steve || 04/20/2005 12:52:03 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  What about #1 Son?
Posted by: mojo || 04/20/2005 13:44 Comments || Top||

#2  What about #1 Son?

You're thinking of Charlie Chan.

I have a book with four of John P. Marquand's Mr. Moto novels (it's the Avenel collection mentioned near the bottom). These were written in the build-up to WWII. I was surprised at the sympathetic portrayal of a Japanese agent, even during the Japanese takeover of Mongolia (covered in Mr. Moto Is So Sorry). But, of course, that was before the war...

Except for the last novel, written in '57. That took a "let bygones be bygones" approach.

I liked the Peter Lorre movies, though.
Posted by: Angie Schultz || 04/20/2005 14:27 Comments || Top||

#3  Well, the Green Hornet's Japanese sidekick suddenly turned Phillipino on Dec. 8, 1941, so what the hell...
Posted by: mojo || 04/20/2005 15:43 Comments || Top||

#4  Kato? hmmmmm...

KATO?.... slint eyed little beggar...
Posted by: Shipman || 04/20/2005 18:32 Comments || Top||


Murat held on attempted murder charge
Convicted teacher killer Murat D., 17, has been arrested in jail on charges he tried to kill a cellmate, defence lawyer Abraham Moszkowicz has revealed. The public prosecutors' office (OM) in The Hague refused on Wednesday to confirm the arrest. However, it said nine youths have been detained in a jail on suspicion of attacking a detainee. Four suspects appeared before a judge last week and five others were arrested on Monday and Tuesday. D. and four other suspects will appear in court in The Hague on Thursday. The violent incident took place on 27 March at the youth jail Teylingereind in Sassenheim. About 120 youths are detained at the penitentiary, most of whom are serving youth psychiatric detention.
Well, that sounds like our fake Murat, if you read any of his posts from the Netherlands
In another incident, a male cellmate lodged a police report against D. in December, accusing him of threatening behaviour at Teylingereind. The youth was then transferred. D. shot and killed deputy headmaster Hans van Wieren at the Terra College in The Hague in January 2004 and was jailed on appeal last December to five years and indefinite period of psychiatric detention. He was tried as an adult. But lawyer Moszkowicz is appealing the ruling in the Supreme Court, demanding that his client be sentenced as a minor. The maximum youth sentence he could receive is two years jail and six years psychiatric treatment and detention.
Posted by: Steve || 04/20/2005 12:45:58 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Jeebus... there really is a 1 in 20 shot here. All the decent lunatic asylums have broadband.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/20/2005 16:07 Comments || Top||


Bundestag to debate 1915 Armenian massacre
BERLIN - Germany's parliament will on Thursday debate a resolution on the "expulsion and massacres" of Armenians under the Ottoman Turks in 1915 as part of ceremonies marking the 90th anniversary of the killings. The declaration says between 1.2 and 1.5 million Christian Armenians died or were killed by the Moslem Turks during 'planned' deportations during World War One.
Turkey's government rejects this version of events and says far fewer Armenians died during Ottoman deportations which it argues took place under war conditions and due to an Armenian rebellion.
But this official Turkish view is rejected by the German Bundestag resolution.
"Turkey denies up to this day that these events were planned and that the deaths during expulsion treks and massacres by the Ottoman Empire were desired," says the text supported by Germany's opposition Christian Democratic alliance (CDU/CSU) which mainly opposes Turkish European Union membership. Nevertheless, the three-page resolution is careful not to use the word 'genocide' to describe these events. A parliamentary official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said this was because the document was aimed at reconciliation between Armenians and Turks. "We want to build bridges - not slam the door shut," said the official. This approach contrasts with resolutions passed by at least 16 national parliaments, including France and the Netherlands, which explicitly define the killings as genocide.
The more cautious German approach was criticised by the Society for Threatened Peoples, a Goettingen-based NGO which serves as a consultant to the United Nations and the Council of Europe. "Those who deny the Holocaust was genocide are threatened with prison terms in Germany," said the Society in a statement, adding: "The German parliament loses all credibility if it does not have the public courage to label the destruction of the Armenians genocide." Under German law it is a crime to deny the Holocaust in which 6 million Jews were murdered.
There are a number of reasons for caution in Berlin over the Armenians. Germany has about 2.5 million resident Turks, compared to an Armenian minority of 40,000. Many Turks in Germany are poorly integrated and officials are nervous about divisive issues such as the Armenian past.
Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder is a staunch backer of Turkish EU membership and the Society for Threatened Peoples cynically noted his planned visit next month to Turkey "could not have played any role in the decision" not to recognise the genocide.
Certainly not

Schroeder will visit Ankara and Istanbul for talks with Turkish political and business leaders on 3 and 4 May. Turkey's ambassador to Germany, Mehmet Ali Irtemcelik, denounced the Bundestag resolution and insisted there had never been an Armenian genocide.
"Never happened, nope, nope!"
The resolution contains "countless factual errors" and has been written "in agreement with propaganda efforts of fanatic Armenians," said Irtemcelik in an interview with Hurriyet newspaper provided by the Turkish embassy in Berlin. "Its goal is to defame Turkish history ... and poison ties between Turkey and the European Union," said the ambassador.
Turkey is due to start membership negotiations with the EU in October but EU leaders say accession talks - if successful - will take up to 15 years.
Sigh, times like this I miss Murat. The real one, that is.
Armenians all over the world will on 24 April mark the 90th anniversary of the start of what most international historians describe as a genocide lasting from 1915 to 1923 which left up to 1.5 million people dead.
Posted by: Steve || 04/20/2005 12:38:59 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The "Society for Threatened Peoples" NGO is not necessarily as clean as they might like others to believe, nor are their motives as straightforward. Here is a Rantburg opinion piece on the subject:


http://www.rantburg.com/opinion/default.asp?id=400&D=2005-04-17
Posted by: Anonymoose || 04/20/2005 13:35 Comments || Top||


Eid festivities anger animal rights activists
Brussels prosecutors have launched an investigation into sheep slaughtering at the annual Muslim Eïd al Ahda feast in response to complaints from animal rights activists, Le Soir newspaper reported Tuesday.
Thought they'd get their oar in the water eventually.
Moral relativism meets Islam. Guess who wins that one?
In January five Brussels communes opened some temporary abattoirs with capacity for 2,050 animals. But animal-rights group Gaia launched a complaint with Brussels authorities that people were also slaughtering animals illegally in their homes.
"You have angered Gaia."
"Ah, infidel, you have a death wish? Come closer ..."
Eïd al Ahda, or Feast of Sacrifice, is the most important feast of the Muslim calendar. The three-day festival concludes the annual pilgrimage to Mecca and commemorates Ibraham's (Abraham's) willingness to obey God by sacrificing his son. The festival re-enacts Ibraham's obedience by sacrificing a cow or ram. Normally, the family eats a third of the meat and donates the rest to the poor. In response to the complaints, Brussels police have sent out questionnaires to several Muslims asking questions about their activities during Eïd al Ahda. Respondents for example will have to explain exactly how they transported the sheep, and what they did with the waste afterwards.
Answer: Don't ask.
The annual slaughter ritual is allowed by law but only in abbatoirs authorised by public health authorities. In addition, the transport of living animals is only allowed by officially recognized abbatoir breeders. Belgian royal prosecutor, Paul de Gryse, said that he will not draw any conclusions before getting all the relevant information, but his main concern is that no one falls ill as a result of a violation on hygiene rules. "I want to find a solution that will be suitable for everyone before the next festival," he said.
He should probably leave his job and sell books, or socks. I don't envy his options, here.
Posted by: seafarious || 04/20/2005 00:00:00 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  A Clash of Misanthropists.

Seething in 2 part disharmony.
Posted by: .com || 04/20/2005 0:40 Comments || Top||

#2  Get the Popcorn the ROP meets the ELF/PETA LOL
Posted by: Sock Puppet 0’ Doom || 04/20/2005 0:43 Comments || Top||

#3  Baliff! Blow up their SUV's!
Posted by: tu3031 || 04/20/2005 8:06 Comments || Top||

#4  Teach sheep to commit seppeku.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 04/20/2005 9:01 Comments || Top||

#5  Get ready for Sheep Day and people dressed as sheep being hanged.
Posted by: Charles || 04/20/2005 9:37 Comments || Top||

#6  huh. I'm surprised to see these wusses grow a spine. Usually they like to pick fights with those who don't fight back. Should be interesting to see what happens. My prediction: one of their members will be found sans head and the rest will back way, way off.
Posted by: BH || 04/20/2005 10:43 Comments || Top||

#7  I'm surprised to see these wusses grow a spine.

Now if only GWB and the GOP would follow suit....
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 04/20/2005 11:37 Comments || Top||


Argentine convicted of crimes against humanity -- in Spain
Not WoT, but interesting, and not the circus of the ICC. Baltasar Garzon makes an appearance.
Posted by: seafarious || 04/20/2005 00:00:00 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:


Home Front: Politix
Sen. Jeffords Won't Seek Re-Election
Look up "bad timing" in the dictionary and, hey, there's Jim Jeffords...
SOUTH BURLINGTON, Vt. - Sen. Jim Jeffords, an independent who triggered one of the most dramatic upheavals in U.S. Senate history when he quit the GOP four years ago, announced Wednesday he would retire at the end of his term next year, citing his and his wife's health.
Yeah, that "dramatic upheaval" lasted, what, about two weeks?
Jeffords, 70, had been adamant in saying he would seek re-election, but he told reporters he would not seek a fourth term. "After much thought and consultation with my family and staff, I have decided to close this chapter of my service to Vermont and not seek re-election in 2006," Jeffords said at a news conference at a suburban Burlington hotel.
...chirp...chirp..chirp...
Jeffords has suffered from a bad back and neck for years and has seemed confused by some of the questions in several recent news interviews.
If you shove your head up your ass enough, you too will have a bad back and neck and seemed confused...
But it was the health of his wife, Liz, he highlighted in his remarks. "Liz, as you know, is battling cancer and will soon have to undergo another round of chemotherapy," he said. As for his own situation, he said, "There have been questions about my health and that is a factor, as well. I am feeling the aches and pains when you reach 70. My memory fails me on occasion, but Liz would probably argue this has been going on for the last 50 years."
So would a lot of your constituents...
His spokesman, Erik Smulson, said just over a week ago that Jeffords was in excellent health and looking forward to "a spirited campaign." Jeffords' surprise decision was likely to unleash a host of candidates to replace him in the predominantly Democratic state. U.S. Rep. Bernie Sanders, the state's only congressman and the only independent in the House, had said he would run if Jeffords did not. Like Jeffords, Sanders votes with the Democrats. Vermont's other member of the Senate is Democrat Patrick Leahy.
Bernie Sanders, the closest thing to a full blooded commie in the House of Representatives.
Republicans Richard Tarrant, a business executive, and Gov. James Douglas also are possible contenders. Former Gov. Howard Dean, now the chair of the Democratic National Committee, had long been rumored as a possible candidate. But Karen Finney, a top aide to Dean, said the former Vermont governor and 2004 presidential hopeful will not run for the Senate because he's committed to his new duties at the DNC.
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
Jeffords was elected as a Republican to the U.S. House in 1974 and to the U.S. Senate in 1988, but he abandoned the party in 2001 because of disagreements with the Bush administration. "In order to best represent my state of Vermont, my own conscience and principles that I have stood for my whole life, I will leave the Republican Party and become an independent," said Jeffords on May 24, 2001. At the time the Senate was evenly divided, and Jeffords' decision to become an independent and caucus with the Democrats put the Democrats in charge of the Senate. They retained power until after the 2002 elections.
Jeffords continues to vote with the Democrats and was a major fundraiser for them last fall. The GOP now holds 55 Senate seats to 44 Democrats, with Jeffords as the lone independent.
Don't think that's the way you'd thought it'd work out, didya Jim?
He has hired campaign staff and has more than $2 million in his campaign account.
...and I'm sure that's right where it will stay.
Posted by: tu3031 || 04/20/2005 2:10:42 PM || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  One of the Senate's dimmest bulbs finally goes out. I don't miss him already... not that next Vermonter to occupy that seat is likely to be some kind of rock-ribbed Conservative, even IF they elect a Republican.
Posted by: eLarson || 04/20/2005 15:51 Comments || Top||

#2  not that next Vermonter to occupy that seat is likely to be some kind of rock-ribbed Conservative

Hell, I'll settle for someone who isn't a pompous, self-righteous, sanctimonious blowhard.
Posted by: Hudson || 04/20/2005 16:02 Comments || Top||

#3  Hell, I'll settle for someone who isn't a pompous, self-righteous, sanctimonious blowhard.

We're talking about the Senate. If you aren't one when you go in, they send you to a training camp.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 04/20/2005 16:09 Comments || Top||

#4  Jefford won't seek re-erection? Say, viagra commercial.
Posted by: Dennis Kucinich || 04/20/2005 16:39 Comments || Top||

#5  I prefer Sanders to Leahy. Sanders is a stone cold socialist you know where he stands.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/20/2005 17:05 Comments || Top||

#6  Godd Riddance Jumpin Jim - don't let the door hit you on your traitrous ass.
Posted by: OldSpook || 04/20/2005 17:49 Comments || Top||

#7  But Karen Finney, a top aide to Dean....

What, the yam lady? She works for Dean?
Posted by: Secret Master || 04/20/2005 18:19 Comments || Top||

#8  "Republican rock ribbed conservative" - LOL

Forget the ribs, I would settle for a spine.
Posted by: SR-71 || 04/20/2005 21:12 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
Vietnam vet calls spitting in Fonda's face 'a debt of honor'
Kansas City police arrested a 54-year-old man Tuesday night after he allegedly spit tobacco juice into the face of Jane Fonda at a book signing event on The Country Club Plaza. Michael A. Smith, a Vietnam veteran from Kansas City, was charged with disorderly conduct, a city charge.
Reached by telephone this morning, Smith called Fonda a "traitor" and said her protests of the Vietnam War were unforgivable. He said he went to the event at the Unity Temple, 707 W. 47th St., for the sole purpose of spitting in her face. He said he doesn't normally chew tobacco, but he did Tuesday. "I consider it a debt of honor," he said. "She spit in our faces for 37 years
It was absolutely worth it. There are a lot of veterans who would love to do what I did." Smith said he receives disability payments from the government for injuries suffered in the Vietnam War. He said he suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder and nerve damage caused by Agent Orange.
Police said Smith waited in line for about 90 minutes, then passed a book to Fonda about 9 p.m. and spit at her. Smith then ran, police said, but quickly was arrested by off-duty Kansas City police officers hired to provide security for the event. Fonda declined to press charges against Smith, police said.
Posted by: Gir || 04/20/2005 13:20 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Fonda declined to press charges against Smith, police said." A VERY smart move on her part.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 04/20/2005 14:31 Comments || Top||

#2  As much as I would have relished seeing this in person, I can't condone it. This is the kind of Kos-style left-wing behavior now proliferating at the campuses. Escalation along a hate spiral isn't good for anyone.
Posted by: thibaud (aka lex) || 04/20/2005 14:40 Comments || Top||

#3  Hell, Jane's probably been waiting for this for 37 years. She's probably glad it's over with and all she got was spit on.
Posted by: tu3031 || 04/20/2005 14:43 Comments || Top||

#4  Kansas City police arrested a 54-year-old man Tuesday night after he allegedly spit tobacco juice

What brand of chewing tobbacco? ;o)
Posted by: badanov || 04/20/2005 14:53 Comments || Top||

#5  Red WoMan?
Posted by: Frank G || 04/20/2005 15:09 Comments || Top||

#6  Allowing somebody like Fonda to quietly enjoy the best of the freedoms our nation can offer after what she did isn't very good for those who serve and served and whom she directly and indirectly denigrated. In the absence of a sincere acknowledgement of the harm she helped inflict on thousands due to her own stupidity and inflated sense of self-importance, she damn well deserves and needs to be publically dogged and reminded every day. She should feel uncomfortable in public and if spit in the face is the worst of it she should be thankful.
Posted by: Tkat || 04/20/2005 15:12 Comments || Top||

#7  The sad part is that he had to wait in line for 90 minutes. What's wrong with all those people in line in front of him?
Posted by: Tom || 04/20/2005 15:17 Comments || Top||

#8  I hear you, but is it worth the escalation from the other side that inevitably will happen?
Posted by: thibaud (aka lex) || 04/20/2005 15:18 Comments || Top||

#9  Let's have a thought for the millions of Vietanmese and Cambodians who died because of her. Let's remember that sentence of a communist leader: "We were on the verge of throwing the towel but we wetre conforted by the vision of Jane Fonda in a red dress".

She is criminal against humankind.
Posted by: JFM || 04/20/2005 15:32 Comments || Top||

#10  Ok, I'd agree spit was not essential. But daily, constant, reminding in public is deserved. If she wants a public life then let her carry the full burden of public shame she's earned. On the other hand, if she crawls back in her hole without subjecting us to her media b.s. then I'd say live and let live until she answers to her maker.
Posted by: Tkat || 04/20/2005 15:32 Comments || Top||

#11  then I'd say live and let live until she answers to her maker.
Then can I go and piss on her grave?
Posted by: Steve || 04/20/2005 15:50 Comments || Top||

#12  Was Fonda's vagina available for comment?
Posted by: eLarson || 04/20/2005 15:53 Comments || Top||

#13  This was a stupid thing to do, in and of itself.

Beyond that, I agree with lex -- this will result in escalation from the left. Not to mention that every assault they commit will be "defended" with "BUT THEY SPIT ON JANE FONDA!!!"

The loser who did this should be up on assault charges.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 04/20/2005 16:07 Comments || Top||

#14  Jane's a pathetic old has-been. But if this escalates, then Paul Wolfowitz, who still has much work to do and much good to contribute to the world, may well become a target of the piss-pie throwers. Not worth squirting Hanoi Jane, IMHO.
Posted by: thibaud (aka lex) || 04/20/2005 16:19 Comments || Top||

#15  It's horrible, terrible, we are above such meanery.

/LOL

Why'd he miss her open eyeball? My granny could have taken her out from 15 ft.

/critic
Posted by: Shipman || 04/20/2005 17:00 Comments || Top||

#16  eLarson: She talks out her ass so much, it can't get a word in edgewise!
Posted by: BH || 04/20/2005 17:18 Comments || Top||

#17  I can't help but wonder if this was all staged to get Hanoi Jane sympathy....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 04/20/2005 17:22 Comments || Top||

#18  Fred, we should set up a defense fund for this guy if he is prosecuted. Maybe you could name Page 3 after him, too.
Posted by: Tibor || 04/20/2005 18:51 Comments || Top||

#19  I can't condone this either, and I was flying in Vietnam, in combat, on the very day that Fonda posed with the NVA AAA gun. I think she is too much of a lightning rod for those who are far more guilty and who, unlike Fonda, have never expressed regret over their actions.

Though 33 years old at the time, Fonda had the childlike mentality of a typical 60s starlet. She was putty in the hands of the hard-core traitors who manipulated her into propagandizing for the enemy. These would include, first and foremost, the former Attorney-General and RFK/MLK assassination suspect Ramsey Clark. Clark accompanied Fonda on her infamous trips and was the actual instigator and organizer of the whole operation. Other knowing traitors of that era include the insufferably arrogant and stupid eastern establishment elitist John K. Galbraith, who is still wasting oxygen today at age 98, and the similarly fossilized Goebbelist Walter Cronkite, who betrayed the trust of the American people and snatched victory from the jaws of defeat for the communists. We could also include any number of academics and currently respectable journalists and businesspeople who waged actual war against their own country, as well as against the Republic of Vietnam.

The chickens are coming home to roost. Vietnam will again be free, and I will live to see it.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 04/20/2005 19:06 Comments || Top||

#20  I thought I carried a grudge. :)
Get 'em AC.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/20/2005 19:52 Comments || Top||

#21  Can't add any more to that AC. That says it all.
Posted by: badanov || 04/20/2005 20:27 Comments || Top||

#22  She waited 33 years to sort of apologize for treason. I guess I can wait another 33 years to sort of forgive her. I would have been more impressed with her if she had posed with the gun during Linebacker II when the Buffs finally got to go downtown.
Posted by: RWV || 04/20/2005 21:34 Comments || Top||

#23  All right, I'll step to one side and strongly condone it.
"Assault charges" and escalation? Maybe then I could file assault charges against the Left for beating the drums during their hateful protests up and down the street outside my house. Although the vision of three-inch leg hair and braided pits might be "assault" enough. Whatever. :)

As I understand things, Paul Wolfowitz is *already* the target of pies and other things, if not for the attention of his detail. This isn't about tit-for-tat.
Posted by: Asedwich || 04/20/2005 22:29 Comments || Top||


CDC Links Extra Pounds, Lower Death Risk
CHICAGO (AP) - Packing on the pounds is not nearly as deadly as the government thought, according to a new calculation from the CDC that found people who are modestly overweight actually have a lower risk of death than those of normal weight.
We're better looking and are great lovers too
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported that obesity accounts for 25,814 deaths a year in the United States. As recently as January, the CDC came up with an estimate 14 times higher: 365,000 deaths. According to the new calculation, obesity ranks No. 7 instead of No. 2 among the nation's leading preventable causes of death. Ooops!
The new analysis found that obesity - being extremely overweight - is indisputably lethal. But like several recent smaller studies, it found that people who are modestly overweight have a lower risk of death than those of normal weight.Biostatistician Mary Grace Kovar, a consultant for the University of Chicago's National Opinion Research Center in Washington, said "normal" may be set too low for today's population. Also, Americans classified as overweight are eating better, exercising more and managing their blood pressure better than they used to, she said. The study - an analysis of mortality rates and body-mass index, or BMI - was published in Wednesday's Journal of the American Medical Association.
Last year, a CDC study listed the leading causes of preventable death in order as tobacco; poor diet and inactivity, leading to excess weight; alcohol; germs; toxins and pollutants; car crashes; guns; risky sexual behavior; and illicit drugs. Using the new estimate, excess weight would drop behind car crashes and guns to seventh place - a ranking the CDC is unwilling to make official, underscoring the controversy inside the agency over how to calculate the health effects of obesity.
They've invested so much money crying about fat Americans and the evils of Big Food

Last year, the CDC issued a study that attributed 400,000 deaths a year to mostly weight-related causes and said excess weight would soon overtake tobacco as the top U.S. killer. After scientists inside and outside the agency questioned the figure, the CDC admitted making a calculation error and lowered its estimate three months ago to 365,000. The new study attributes 111,909 deaths to obesity, but then subtracts the benefits of being modestly overweight, and arrives at the 25,814 figure.
CDC Director Dr. Julie Gerberding said because of the uncertainty in calculating the health effects of being overweight, the CDC is not going to use the new figure of 25,814 in its public awareness campaigns. And it is not going to scale back its fight against obesity. "There's absolutely no question that obesity is a major public health concern of this country," she said. Gerberding said the CDC will work to improve methods for calculating the consequences of obesity. CDC spokesman Tom Skinner said the agency will probably start using a range of estimates for obesity-linked deaths. Dr. JoAnn Manson, chief of preventive medicine at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston, said she is not convinced the new estimate is right. "I think it's likely there has been a weakening of the mortality effect due to improved treatments for obesity," she said. "But I think this magnitude is surprising and requires corroboration."
The analysis was led by Katherine Flegal, a senior research scientist with the CDC's National Center for Health Statistics. The study that had to be corrected was conducted by a different arm of the CDC, the Division of Adult and Community Health, and its authors included Gerberding.
One major reason for the far lower number in this latest study is that it used more recent data, researchers said. "This analysis is far more sophisticated," said Kovar, who was not involved in the new study. "They are very careful and are not overstating their case." A related study, also in Wednesday's JAMA, found that overweight Americans are healthier than ever because of better maintenance of blood pressure and cholesterol levels. Diabetes is on the rise among people in all weight categories, however.
Flegal said the two studies raise questions about what definitions to use for obesity and "where to draw the line." Under current government standards, a BMI, or weight-to-height measurement, of 25 or higher is overweight; 30 and above is obese.
In recent years, the government has spent millions of dollars fighting obesity and publicizing the message that two out of three American adults are overweight or obese, and at higher risk for heart disease, arthritis and diabetes.
Posted by: Steve || 04/20/2005 11:11:23 AM || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This story is at the bottom of the front page of today's local paper. What's funny is that I have a copy of the local paper from 3/17 that has a story on the front paged titled, "Obesity reducing U.S. life expectancy".

Quite frankly, I'm not inclined to put any faith in any of these "studies", as it seems another one will come out later on disputing the results of the study before it.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 04/20/2005 11:52 Comments || Top||

#2  It's Hardees time!
Posted by: Shipman || 04/20/2005 11:56 Comments || Top||

#3  How can I face this news? With cheesecake, of course!
Posted by: BH || 04/20/2005 12:17 Comments || Top||

#4  BH, I concur!

I am overweight according to BMI (25), but I can certainly float better and've no more kidney problems due to lack of thermal padding.
Posted by: Sobiesky || 04/20/2005 15:35 Comments || Top||

#5  Lower risk of death... my God... this means Michael Moore could LIVE FOREVER!
Posted by: eLarson || 04/20/2005 15:56 Comments || Top||

#6  eLarson, I think you worry too much. Being overweight and being a blob is a major difference! :-)
Posted by: Sobiesky || 04/20/2005 16:26 Comments || Top||

#7  Everyone will note that the spokesman basically said "Okay, so being overweight isn't terribly bad for you, but we're *still* going to keep up the propaganda campaign against being overweight". The point is, that fighting "obesity" has long been of the leftist program. Using the false logic that 1) Americans eat too much, which means we consume too much of "the world's resources"; so 2) If Americans eat less, then there will be MORE for everybody else; and 3) It's best if *what* Americans eat tastes bad and is unpleasant, because pleasure is bad.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 04/20/2005 16:29 Comments || Top||

#8  Yep.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/20/2005 17:02 Comments || Top||

#9  "D'oh!!"
Posted by: Ebbavith Gleart2775 || 04/20/2005 21:42 Comments || Top||


The Battle Is Joined
Posted by: tipper || 04/20/2005 11:31 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Ann Coulter is on the cover of Time. Go figure."

Here's a guess: she has a large readership, she's far better educated and more intelligent than La Dowd or Tina Brown, and she's funny. Oh, and not hard on the eyes.

Another thought: Time realizes that the blogosphere commands far more eyeballs than the MSM. Train's leaving the station. Perhaps the editors at Time would like to be on the train.
Posted by: thibaud (aka lex) || 04/20/2005 13:16 Comments || Top||

#2  Time not having a good month. Drudge reported they had to pay Jane Fonda extra 'cos she got bumped off the cover when the Pope died.
Posted by: Seafarious || 04/20/2005 13:26 Comments || Top||

#3  Can't imagine they make any money for TW. Maybe they should make it into a blog.
Posted by: thibaud (aka lex) || 04/20/2005 15:44 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
'Murdered' boy wins freedom for convicted mother
DHAKA: A Bangladesh court has freed on bail a woman convicted of murdering her eight-year-old son after the boy, now aged 18, turned up to visit her in jail, a report said Tuesday. The boy, named Faruk, arrived at the jail in northern Sherpur district last month claiming his father had made him "vanish" in order to frame his mother after she divorced him in 1995, the report in the English language Daily Star said. Kamala Khatun and her second husband were convicted of the killing in May 1997 on the basis of circumstantial evidence given at their trial by her first husband, the report added. After considering Faruk's police statement, however, the Bangladesh High Court on Monday freed Khatun and her husband on bail pending the outcome of their appeal.
Posted by: Fred || 04/20/2005 12:12:17 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I'm appauled when parent's concock such scheme's
What charge's face the biological Father?

ANdrea Jackson
Posted by: Andrea || 04/20/2005 12:31 Comments || Top||

#2  LOL! I've ben had!
Posted by: Shipman || 04/20/2005 16:04 Comments || Top||


Man walks on embers to prove innocence
MULTAN: Following a punchayat's (local jury) decision, a man walked on glowing embers on Monday evening to prove that his brother was innocent in a murder case. Reportedly Abdul Latif had to walk on red embers to prove the innocence of his brother in a murder case in village Bukhara Sharif (Muhammadpur Dewan) in Rajanpur district. Latif crossed the fire successfully before thousands of people but the punchayat did not declare his brother innocent.

Councillor Syed Jalal Hussain Shah told Daily Times that Latif's brother Muhammad Hanif, a resident of Islampura, was arrested in 2003 on charges of killing Muhammad Aslam Aswani in Dajal. Hanif is in prison and a murder case is pending in court. Latif claimed that his brother was innocent and the punchayat asked him to walk on the red embers according to a tribal tradition to prove innocence. The councillor said that Moulvi Mauj Ali declared Hanif innocent when no swelling appeared on Latif's feet till night. However the complainant party refused to accept the decision.
Posted by: Fred || 04/20/2005 00:00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Discovery Channel watchers, obviously.
Posted by: mojo || 04/20/2005 1:04 Comments || Top||

#2  Bedevere: ...and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped.
Arthur: This new learning amazes me, Sir Bedevere. Explain again how sheep's bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes.
Posted by: Spot || 04/20/2005 8:34 Comments || Top||

#3  Did Parliament Funkadelic have any input on this decision or were they just the opening act?
Posted by: tu3031 || 04/20/2005 14:41 Comments || Top||



Who's in the News
94[untagged]

Bookmark
E-Mail Me

The Classics
The O Club
Rantburg Store
The Bloids
The Never-ending Story
Thugburg
Gulf War I
The Way We Were
Bio

Merry-Go-Blog











On Sale now!


A multi-volume chronology and reference guide set detailing three years of the Mexican Drug War between 2010 and 2012.

Rantburg.com and borderlandbeat.com correspondent and author Chris Covert presents his first non-fiction work detailing the drug and gang related violence in Mexico.

Chris gives us Mexican press dispatches of drug and gang war violence over three years, presented in a multi volume set intended to chronicle the death, violence and mayhem which has dominated Mexico for six years.
Click here for more information

Meet the Mods
In no particular order...
Steve White
Seafarious
tu3031
badanov
sherry
ryuge
GolfBravoUSMC
Bright Pebbles
trailing wife
Gloria
Fred
Besoeker
Glenmore
Frank G
3dc
Skidmark

Two weeks of WOT
Wed 2005-04-20
  Algeria's GIA chief surrenders
Tue 2005-04-19
  Moussaoui asks for death sentence
Mon 2005-04-18
  400 Algerian gunmen to surrender
Sun 2005-04-17
  2 Pakistanis arrested in Cyprus on al-Qaeda links
Sat 2005-04-16
  2 Iraq graves may hold remains of 7,000
Fri 2005-04-15
  Basayev nearly busted, fake leg seized
Thu 2005-04-14
  Eleven Paks charged with Spanish terror plot
Wed 2005-04-13
  10 dead in Mosul suicide bombings
Tue 2005-04-12
  3 charged with plot to attack US targets
Mon 2005-04-11
  U.S.-Iraqi Raid Nets 65 Suspected Terrs
Sun 2005-04-10
  Tater thugs protest US presence in Iraq
Sat 2005-04-09
  Scores dead as Yemeni Army seizes rebel outposts
Fri 2005-04-08
  2 killed, 18 injured in explosion at major Cairo tourist bazaar
Thu 2005-04-07
  Hard Boyz shoot up Srinagar bus station
Wed 2005-04-06
  Final count, 18 dead in al-Ras shoot-out


Rantburg was assembled from recycled algorithms in the United States of America. No trees were destroyed in the production of this weblog. We did hurt some, though. Sorry.
3.129.210.17
Help keep the Burg running! Paypal:
WoT Operations (31)    WoT Background (35)    Opinion (2)    (0)    (0)