#10
Valentine - it's a poor choice of headline by Yahoo - read it as 'Kerry calls Bush, to concede'. It's not 'Kerry calls on Bush to concede', asd you must have read it.
#12
Ye gods. The discussion threads at DU are something to see. Quite a lot of criticism of Kerry for not addressing the crowd last night; some of them are furious to the point of violence over the decision to concede.
Damn, but this Schadenfreude stuff is fun!
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Okay.... giving Lurch points for seeing the obvious.
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Finally, Kerry did something good for the country.
One of my co-workers is going to be on suicide watch, though. He was still holding out hope this morning.
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Public health disaster in Iraq! The rats holed up in Fallujah have shit themselves in unison. I wouldn't be surprised if they hand over Zarqawi's head themselves, as soon as they clean up that is.
#19
I'll be listening carefully to Lurch's concession speech: I want to see what messages he's sending to the party faithful. I'll also be listening to Bush's victory speech at 3 pm EST; I hope he gives some kind of hint as to what's next in the WoT.
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I was surfing on the TV and stopped on SeeBS to look at the coverage. The White House reporter gave the most slanted coverage I had ever seen, short of a Mike Moore movie. The reporter (Plante) said that the reason Kerry conceded was because Bush was planning a victory speech. Also he opined that the Bush side played âhardballâ with Kerry in order to get him to concede. Good to see they are off to the same coverage for the next four years. Next week on 60 minutes: âStolen Election, Stolen Honorâ
#21
Well played, Kerry. Ending the contest like this in an honourable and sensible manner will ensure that you maintain your personal dignity and that your party can look to the future with dignity, honesty and good grace.
While we're talking about Democrats and dignity - now would be a good time to give Moore and the other America haters and lunatics the boot.
#23
I'm inclined to give Kerry points for not drawing the thing out. The Moonbat Left and the MSM really wanted to have another Florida, and it would have been easy for him to go along.
(I yield to no other Rantburger in my contempt for Ketchup Boy, but it's only fair--if you're gonna rip him for when he's wrong, you gotta give him props when he does the right thing.)
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Its now up to Bush to fulfill his promises. He must bring the war in Iraq to a successful conclusion, including democratic elections. He must catch OBL. He must deal in a prudent but effective manner with Iran. He must improve our relationships with other major world powers, esp fellow market democracies (hows that for avoiding the word "ally") And he must reach out and ensure that the GWOT is an enterprise of ALL Americans of good will, and not just the GOP.
May G-d support him in that, and may we all do what we can.
#25
Was just outside having a smoke. Much doom and gloom. Much doom and gloom. They all want to move to Canada. They can't believe this could've possibly happened.
#27
"While we're talking about Democrats and dignity - now would be a good time to give Moore and the other America haters and lunatics the boot."
The recriminations will be long and nasty. Kerrys strategy of papering over the divisions within the party has failed. Some will call for a return to sanity, while others will say Kerry lost for personal reasons, or for impurity, and that Dean would have won. It wont be pretty.
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Fox News: Kerry [has]Calls Bush to Concede [the race], will make concession speech 1 pm EST at Faneuil Hall. Edwards still wants to fight for every vote (the foolish lawyer man)http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,137486,00.html
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Lh - and if bin Laden turns out to be holed up in Iran? Would 'prudent but effective' include an invasion should the mullahs refuse to turn him over?
He must improve our relationships with other major world powers
I think that might be easier this time round now the world knows for a fact that Bush's legitimacy and support at home is beyond question.
#30
Thousands of well-heeled moonbats have promised to leave the country if Bush wins.
Think the UK's going to have to stop laughing off Tory proposals to set aside certain Scottish islands as holding camps for immigrant masses? Picture the scene. Heh. No, somehow I don't think we're going to see an exodus of pampered liberals, either.
I think it's much less likely with a Kerry concession. Had Edwards gotten his way and started fighting precinct by precinct here in Ohio, I'd have been worried about Cincinnati's safety.
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Right on Bulldog. LH, what does G-d stand for? I look forward to your response to Bulldog. The OBL in Iran Thingy. It's a question I ask alot of my peers.
#33
"He must improve our relationships with other major world powers, esp fellow market democracies (hows that for avoiding the word "ally")."
Just for kicks, let's turn it around the other way: I see absolutely no reason-- and I mean NONE-- why it is up to George Bush to improve those relations. And I see plenty of reason-- witness the corrupt business dealings France, China and Russia had with Saddam-- for them to work their butts off improving their relations with us, instead.
"And he must reach out and ensure that the GWOT is an enterprise of ALL Americans of good will, and not just the GOP."
Huh? The ***ONLY*** reason the GWOT ended up as ANYTHING other than the enterprise of all Americans is because the leadership of the Democratic Party made a calculated political decision to exploit the political energy of its moonbat Left fringe to gain cheap advantage in yesterday's election. The Democrats divided the country over this war, not George Bush.
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I still don't like him, but I respect him for his decision, and I suspect that history will also.
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11/03/2004 12:09 Comments ||
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G-d = God.
After all, we ALL serve the will of God. Many do not invoke the name of God lightly and thus do not spell it out.
#36
Two words - Dick Gephardt. The Republicans didnât defeat Kerry cause there arenât enough of them, the independents beat him. Enough Americans in the middle decided to back someone who would be real on national security, defense and the war. The Demâs had a viable candidate but the anti-war/hate America crowd had to be pandered to at the cost of even more votes for Bush. Just remember every vote that Mr. Gephardt would have gained would have been one taken away from Bush. This race was decided well back in the spring when the stealth anti-war candidate got the nod from the party.
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Thread swarm!
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#38
that bastard of your president as all of you, gonna be your elected president!
not for the rest of 56.000.000.00 of us
3.5M margin - I guess America's not a looney-bin - yet.
The homegrown moonbats and the rest of the world will have to get over it and get on with it... four years is a long time to be a marginalized screecher. Those ranks should slowly thin down to the core morons - the unsalvagable - their tool-fools tiring of the game and slowly blending back into the mainstream.
These right wingers, call them fascists or nazi's or what have you, are going to be in your face for the next few weeks. They'll only be coming at you with smug, hate filled rhetoric....for awhile! It won't be long tho....now that they have swiped TWO "elections"....that they will be locking people up! Read the histories of Italy and Germany in the 1920's and 30's....you'll clearly be able to see what is on OUR horizen!
Posted by: D******* D**** F***** at November 3, 2004 12:30 PM
just was edit out name. ima seein lots of blame on diebold to. whoever or whatever that is. ima not thrill bout seein chainey 4 more years but sheesh!
#48
I'm giving credit where credit is due...to the many millions of Americans who worked their way through all the rhetoric, waited in line at the polls (or mailed in their absentee ballots), and participated in our great democratic experiment. There was no violence, only a teeny bit of thuggery, and overall, a smooth Election Day for all. Yay us.
#49
GREAT!!! And this coming from a french guy!
I got the first results this morning, on a very left leaning news channel, and this was hilarious, just watching the faces of the guests & pundits!This is a blow to the french elites, as well as to islamofascists and leftists everywhere...
All I have to say is
"Ia! Ia! Cthulhu Ftaghn!"
Thanks, american voters!
#50
I do have to commend Kerry for taking a higher road than Gore did. I don't give him credit for much, but I will for this.
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Btw, more seriously, I fully agree with the well-thought and cool-headed (as usual) LH : the real work is ahead, and now it's up to GWB to be up the task.
Plus, I forgot : president@whitehouse.gov
to send your congrats to the WH's staff.
#52
I was in the car for over 30 minutes this morning driving into and out of San Francisco. I saw exactly one Kerry sticker. Did they go out and take them off first thing this morning??? Anyway, it is a great day for this country and a great day for freedom in the world. Cheers to everyone at Rantburg and the rest of the blogoshpere who supported the president and put pressure on Kerry and the MSM.
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11/03/2004 13:08 Comments ||
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#53
It's past 1pm. Where is he? WHERE IS HE? Concede damn it.
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Re: the Kos crowd calling for no concession -- I did my part from the other side. Called Hilary and Schumer, the DNC, the DNCC, the state Dem org and Lieberman. Message early this AM: Kerry/Edwards concede quickly and fully, or I:
a) contribute to Bush's legal fund
b) switch my party registration
c) work my butt off to defeat Dem candidates at all levels of office for the next 25 years
Made it plain the country means more to me than (what is left of) the party I once supported.
The people I reached didn't sound thrilled to get the feedback. But then, neither was the Dem GOTV caller to whom I gave a piece of my mind on Saturday, either.
Heh.
NOW BUSH MUST PRODUCE RESULTS.
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I wrote a rather nasty bit this morning on Kerry not conceding. Now that he supposedly is, I'm not ready to retract it, primarily because until I hear what he says, I don't trust him not to claim "we wuz robbed" anyway, and thus give fuel to the leftist media and the moonbat battalions.
If he doesn't do that, and he doesn't run his mouth weeks/months from now, then I'll be happy to take it back.
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11/03/2004 13:13 Comments ||
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not for the rest of 56.000.000.00 of us
Iranians? French? Palestinians?
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#58
CNN is claiming Bush has no mandate.
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#59
It's at the cleaner's. Don't worry.
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11/03/2004 13:32 Comments ||
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Good Luck
By placing that cross on the ballot for Bush, you have guaranteed that there will be more American crosses planted, in the ground...
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Thanks to the silent majority. I used to laugh at Nixon for that, but time and circumstances change perspective. The SM was able to wallow through the mire of the MSM and come out on top. The SM goes to work everyday and tries to do right. The SM is well-educated, but, more importantly, has better judgement and more backbone than Moore, Kos, Kerry, Sully, etc. I was amazed how the polls never seemed to put Kerry over 50%; I always wondered when it would happen. So, I was fairly confident in a W win, but remembered Truman in '48.
Anyway, we're over the top. W, thanks for sticking to the plan. Have opposing govts. come to you on your terms, but let them know they're welcome. Take pride in and be thankful to the allies who have stuck with you; be assured that they are now assured as to US policies and expect more commitment out of them. Expect even a few more allies. Thanks to Fred, as well, for maintaining this site. Now it's off to another job, but early. I want to see the rage in my Lefty colleagues.
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#63
Why would Bush need a mandate? Why wouldn't he just go with Laura?
#64
"Just for kicks, let's turn it around the other way: I see absolutely no reason-- and I mean-- why it is up to George Bush to improve those relations. And I see plenty of reason-- witness the corrupt business dealings France, China and Russia had with Saddam-- for them to work their butts off improving their relations with us, instead."
It takes two to tango. I dont care who asks whom to dance, i want Bush to do what he can.
"And he must reach out and ensure that the GWOT is an enterprise of ALL Americans of good will, and not just the GOP."
Huh? The ***ONLY*** reason the GWOT ended up as ANYTHING other than the enterprise of all Americans is because the leadership of the Democratic Party made a calculated political decision to exploit the political energy of its moonbat Left fringe to gain cheap advantage in yesterday's election. The Democrats divided the country over this war, not George Bush.
The Bushies divided the country BEFORE the war. With a partisan approach to almost everything. That undercut those Dems who wanted to unite behind the war.
#67
sore loser? I did NOT vote for kerry. I think the country may be better off under Bush than under Kerry. Had Kerry won i would have demanded of HIM that pretty much the same things - win in Iraq, win against AQ, and reunite the country. I ask the same of Bush, and will be supportive of him in those endeavours.
#69
"Have opposing govts. come to you on your terms, but let them know they're welcome. Take pride in and be thankful to the allies who have stuck with you; be assured that they are now assured as to US policies and expect more commitment out of them"
expect MORE commitment out of them? Hungary just announced theyre getting out in the spring. Netherlands i think is getting out. None of of the coalition of the willing has any more to give. This is as moonbatty as Kerrys ideas of getting help from France and Germany.
How about Bush turnaround and reward Blair for moving the Blackwatch Regiment to Baghdad? Concessions on global warming seem to be what Tony is interested in.
#70
well...ok LH. I'm really glad to hear you didn't vote for Kerry. My esteem for you just rose higher.
However, I think this comment is unfair, "The Bushies divided the country BEFORE the war. With a partisan approach to almost everything. That undercut those Dems who wanted to unite behind the war" Bush made many efforts to be bipartisan - only to get his face slapped for doing it. I wouldn't be surprised if he just doesn't even bother to try this time around - though I hope he does.
#72
name some 2b. No coalition cabinet, despite the 2000 election tie. no compromise on his tax plan. no compromise on the environment. About the only area where he seriously worked with the Dems was on Education. They ran Max Cleland out of office as 'soft on terrorism' cause Cleland disagreed about labor issues in the dept of Homeland security.
Look hard, while you gloat. You got an incumbent president, with a recovering economy. History says you should win. Then youve got a war going, and we dont as a general rule change horses in midstream, unless we're in a quagmire (which i think we all agree we're not) And the dems nominate a Massachusetts liberal, someone as aloof and as poor a campaigner, with a flip floppy record, a Kerry. And Bush STILL only pulls 51% of the vote? Still comes within one state of losing the election? Dont you think there is, er, a problem? You can go blame it on the MSM if you wish, just like the idiot lefties are now blaming defeat on people who thought WMDs were found in Iraq. I got a message to both - the people aint subject to mind control. The MSM is no worse now than when Reagan got 60% of the vote. There are MORE, and louder conservative voices now than there were then. You got a problem, just like the dems have a problem, and if youre smart youll face up to it. And for the good of the country you'll face up to it.
#76
LH apparently you missed my post early this morning where I said I wouldn't gloat just for the reasons you list. Kerry was probably the worst candidate for president EVER and the DNC is diseased.
I'm not going to argue with you on the bipartisan issue because you don't see any good in Bush because you don't want to.
I don't consider myself a Republican - but the current Democratic party is mean, thuggish, more self-righteous than the Pat Robertson crowd. Seems to me that the people that I know who embraced the party were all about hating Bush and little more.
Yes, Bush faces big problems - and I don't expect him to create utopia - no one can - but he's done a good job and I for one, am grateful for his service.
So don't get on a high horse about how much better the liberals are than the conservatives - because right now, they aren't.
#77
Fuck yeah Ship, and lets stop calling it the pc Dept of Defense and go back to it's original and more kick-ass name "The War Department."
The fact that Leiberman and Gephardt were so easily dismissed at the dem primaries told me their party was screwed. That, imho, would've of been a worthy dem ticket.
Obviously a Canadian moonbat. AFAIK, the US doesn't use ballots on which you "place a cross" for your candidate. That's the Canadian system. Nice metaphor/imagery though. I give it a 7.0 just for that.
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Maryland has ballots like that, at least the district where my boss votes: paper ballots, with the names printed on them and square boxes to mark an "X" in.
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"But John, not all is lost, we can still go fishin & ride in pick up trucks"
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I am just so freakin HAPPY today!
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#84
But we'll never know what kind of discharge he got...from the military.
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No coalition cabinet, despite the 2000 election tie.
And what is Mineta - a libertarian? The head of the CIA was a holdover from the last administration as well.
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My two cents worth.
I was worried for a bit last night, but am quite pleased at the outcome. I had expected a bigger Bush margin, but only by about 1% more. Optimist that I am and all.
Tomorrow, I am taking an extremely liberal friend out for a few damned fine scotches. He borders on just-this-side of the moonbat fringe - it's Vermont after all; time to reel him in a bit, and help him out.
Then I'm going to take him out shooting; just not immediately after - I'll give him (and me) a night's rest first. He's never done that before (shooting, not drinking) and is fascinated that it is 'allowed'.
And Fred, a hearty Thank you! for this site. This is and has been a true refuge.
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#88
Mike, Mike, you are a cruel man. Take it from someone who knows these people...if you actually kill something on your little adventure - you will put him over the edge. The question is ...is he really your friend or are you just guiding him to the cliff to give him a shove?
(KGW TV)BREAKING NEWS:> Protesters take to downtown PDX streets: A growing group of protesters has gathered near 4th and Burnside in downtown Portland and may be blocking traffic. Police are on the scene. It appears the protest may be tied to the outcome of Tuesday's election.
#1
Portland ain't the only place. There's an "antiwar" march going on right now in SF. Yeah, an antiwar protest the day after national elections. Fancy that.
#2
While I was on the bus going home from a hard day's work (something these moonbats might try sometime) I saw some of these people outside westlake center in Seattle. One sign said 'Not my President'.
HOUSTON (Reuters) - A man on Texas death row became his own executioner when he committed suicide by hanging, prison officials said on Wednesday. Deon Tumblin, 27, was found hanging by a sheet in his cell at the Polunsky Unit prison in Livingston, Texas, on Tuesday, they said. Attempts to resuscitate him were unsuccessful and he was pronounced dead at the prison infirmary. Tumblin had been on death row since 2001 for the strangulation and beating death of a 75-year-old Texarkana woman, Evelyn Reid.
Guantanamonkeys should follow suit - or should be invited to swim back to Pakkiland - or wherever
#1
Maybe I'm just dense and cold, but why would you try to revive a man on death row? Seems to me it would be more merciful just to let him go. Did they not want him escaping the consequences?
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Same reason they swab the prisoner's arm with an antiseptic before sliding the neddle in, don't want to cause an infection, it might lead to complications, even.....death.
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India's northwestern state of Rajasthan has punished local officials after residents complained a group of Israeli women motorists had danced in the nude near a town revered by Hindus, a newspaper reported on Wednesday. The Indian Express said the incident took place during a party organized just outside the temple-studded town of Pushkar last month to celebrate the end of the Desert Queen rally in which 45 women rallyists from Israel took part. Local lawmakers and residents said the Israeli women "got drunk, threw their clothes on the stage and danced naked under the moonlight," the Indian Express reported. The local administrator and tourism officials have since been replaced.
But organizers of the Indian leg of the motor rally denied there was any nude dancing and said the incident had been blown out of proportion. The newspaper quoted an official as saying one group of Israeli women had presented a skit enacting an Indian village scene in which women were bathing behind a curtain. "This particular group got carried away in the excitement and exuberance and dropped the curtain, thereby showing three girls partially undressed," the paper quoted Arik Braz of Israel's Geographical Tours as saying in a letter of apology to the Rajasthan government. Indian television showed an image of two bikini-clad women dancing behind a bedspread, shot by an amateur cameraman. Girls Gone Wild - India?
Consumption of alcohol and meat is banned in Pushkar, best known for its camel fair that attracts tourists from around the world. I missed it this year. The Dixie Chicks were in concert.
#1
Why doesn't this stuff ever happen where I live ?
Oh, right, it's New Hampshire: even if the locals did strip down, you do *not* want to be within eyesight.
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Pushkar is actually a very interesting place to visit, one of the top Hindu pilgrimage destinations. Many Israelis go there on holiday, I believe most of them after being done with military service. To do there: sip lemon and ginger tea at the Sunset Cafe while watching the sunset on the lake.
A man leaped into a lion's den at the Taipei Zoo on Wednesday to try to convert the king of beasts to Christianity, but was bitten in the leg for his efforts. "Jesus will save you!" the 46-year-old man shouted at two African lions lounging under a tree a few meters away. "Come bite me!" he said with both hands raised, television footage showed.
"Hokay," said the lion.
One of the lions, a large male with a shaggy mane, bit the man in his right leg before zoo workers drove it off with water hoses and tranquilizer guns. Newspapers said that the lions had been fed earlier in the day, otherwise the man might have been more seriously hurt ... or worse. This always happens to me, too.
#2
He should have gone to a british zoo or somewhere where the lions are more under catholic influence.
No point in trying to convert a lion in Taipei who's already become buddhist!
#5
Reminds me of an old joke: a priest/minister is out hiking alone when he's attacked by a bear. He can't escape; the critter has him cornered; as it's about to maul him, he cries out in desperation, "Oh, Lord, make this bear a Christian!"
The bear pauses, makes the sign of the cross, and says, "Bless us, O Lord, and this thy food, which we are about to receive . . . ."
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PAGAN Lions--Why do they hate us?
Sorry--I'm just anal that way.
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Lol Mike!
Proof that delusional disorders do cross cultural boundaries.
Poor lion--he wasn't sure what to do with this weird guy on his turf.
The only "miracle" is that the nice lion didn't kill the guy. I think the man, not the lion, should've been shot with tranquilizer guns and water hoses. Hope they arrest the dude.
Oh, Cali & other Dems who lost another election, you wackos can never take a hint, even Canada is sending a strong message: We do not want you!
A strong earthquake occurred at 10:02:12 (UTC) on Tuesday, (perfect timing!) November 2rd, 2004. The magnitude 6.7 event has been located in the VANCOUVER ISLAND, CANADA REGION. (This event has been reviewed by a seismologist.)
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..even Canada is sending a strong message: We do not want you!
I'm waiting for all those people that said they're going to move if GWB wins to get going. I'm almost willing to help them pack up. Almost.
Lawmakers in Kuwait's outspoken parliament yesterday made a rare call on the long-ailing crown prince to retire as part of reforms within the ruling Al Sabah family. Culminating two days of a heated debate on the government's programme, a number of MPs called for applying the "Emirate Succession Law" which governs changes in the Al Sabah family. Some MPs praised the services of ailing Crown Prince Shaikh Saad Al Abdullah Al Sabah to Kuwait, but still said it would be better for the 73-year-old to retire. "Every Kuwaiti loves the crown prince, the liberation hero," said liberal opposition MP Ali Al Rashed. "But his health condition requires a decision. It is not a shame for the official to rest after performing his duties to his country." State Minister for Cabinet Affairs Mohammad Sharar said MPs had no right to discuss issues relating to the ruling family.
"So shaddup!"
Rashed responded that it was within his rights to advise the emir for the best interests of the country. "I call for activating the Succession Law in such a way as to safeguard Kuwait and the dignified (ruling) family," MP Abdullah Al Roumi, a moderate opposition member, told the house. MP Adel Al Saraawi said the "contract" between Kuwaitis and the ruling family is a "pledge of loyalty not of submission," and called for a study of the issue within the framework of wider political and economic reforms.
Son, you're just asking to get thumped.
Shaikh Saad, a cousin of the Amir who became crown prince in 1978, returned home on Thursday after undergoing "successful routine medical checkups" for one month in Britain. He underwent colon surgery in 1997 and has since been regularly visiting Britain for medical examinations and colostomy bag changes treatment. The Amir, His Highness Shaikh Jaber Al Ahmad Al Sabah, on October 26 made his first public appearance since he returned late September from New York where he underwent routine medical checkups. He suffered a minor brain haemorrhage in 2001.
"The drooling is a little thing. Why replace him?"
The 75-year-old Amir has delegated most of his public duties to his half-brother, Prime Minister Shaikh Sabah Al Ahmad Al Sabah, who took over the premiership last year. Gulf-based diplomats told AFP late September that Shaikh Sabah might be named crown prince in place of the ailing Shaikh Saad. But such plans appear to have been delayed because more time was needed for the settlement of internal family issues with sharp instruments, diplomatic sources said.
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Florida is nice... Take a load off, enjoy life, buy a nice boat and go fishing, golf is good for the soul, golf and fishing on the same day you will live for ever! Florida has nakkid bars too, and they serve good lunches.
#2
Maybe the MP's are encouraged by UAE's Zayed's death, not that they want this guy dead, but you know what I mean? Question: Are these MP's Islamists or secularists?
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Maybe the prospect of free elections in Iraq is getting to them. Maybe they have a notion that monarchy is not the proper system of government.
Has anyone translated the Federalist Papers into Arabic yet?
After a passionate debate in the House of Commons, British lawmakers voted overwhelmingly Tuesday against banning parents from spanking their children. Some lawmakers argued that even mild spanking should be outlawed and insisted children should have the same legal protection as adults when it comes to being hit. But Prime Minister Tony Blair's government has shied away from an outright ban, fearing it will be accused of intruding into family affairs. Instead, ministers urged lawmakers to back legislation that would allow mild smacking but make it easier to prosecute parents who harm a child physically or mentally.
Lawmakers voted by 424-75 against an outright ban. They will vote later on the government proposal. "There is a world of difference between a light smack and violent abuse," said Minister for Children Margaret Hodge. Arguing against a ban, she said it would "leave parents wondering if a trivial smack would land them in prison." "A total ban on smacking could potentially criminalize most parents in this country," Hodge added. Britain is out of step on the issue with several European countries, including Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark and Austria, where all physical punishment of children is illegal. The current law in Britain dates to 1860, when a judge ruled physical punishment of children should be allowed as a "reasonable chastisement."
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At first I thought it said "smoking children". Darn old eyeglass prescription!
I prefer preserving children in the manner of my lovely wife's Norwegian ancestors, by soaking them in lye.
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make it easier to prosecute parents who harm a child physically or mentally
I thought the task of a parent was to psychologically scar their offspring for life.. 'They f*ck you up your mum and dad..' - A seriously good result against the touchy feely mobsters.
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We salt our children. Usually around November 1 we'll pull one out of the cellar and throw it into the neighbors pool and get it ready for Christmas.
Hong Kong reported its first case of bird flu in 10 months amidst stepped-up measures by Chinese authorities to quell future outbreaks of infectious diseases. Hong Kong authorities confirmed Wednesday a dead grey heron found Tuesday near the border between Hong Kong and the southern Chinese city Shenzhen had tested positive for the deadly H5N1 avian-influenza virus. Authorities said the bird had been found in a fenced-off wildlife preserve.
So far, authorities say workers in contact with the bird tested negative for H5N1, a deadly strain which can be transmitted from animal to humans and has caused the deaths of about 70% of people infected, according to the World Health Organization. Officials said they didn't know if the bird had flown from China, as grey herons are migratory birds with a wide flight pattern across East Asia. "There is no way to know where the bird came from," said Richard Rubira, a senior veterinary official at the Agriculture, Fisheries and Conservation Department.
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In what Gov. Jeb Bush interpreted as a positive comment on a smooth Election Day, filmmaker Michael Moore, in South Florida on the lookout for election problems, packed up his crew and headed to Ohio. The turnout for voting was being called "amazing" by some of those working at manning the polls in South Florida. Voters turned out in record numbers, with as many as 72 percent of Miami-Dade voters casting a ballot. That in addition to 91,000 who cast absentee ballots, and 244,000 who voted early. In Broward County, the number of people voting today is expected to exceed the 66 percent who voted in the 2000, perhaps by a large amount. In Broward County, 96,000 cast absentee ballots, while another 172,000 voted early. In some locations, there were still lines at polling places, but at most precincts the wait was less than a half an hour by noon, with some locations having no wait at all.
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Buh-bye, Lardass...
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I expect the Fatman will return to Florida to begin his documentary on the Florida Hurricanes. How could he possibly not attempt to profit from this American tragedy? He made tens of millions from Columbine and 9/11...
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True to Dem fashion, ever mindful of the environment and our dwindling petroleum supplies MM took a C-130 Learjet semi-trailer coach fare home.
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Pardon my ongoing ignorance, but is that an actual photo of Michael Moore? He looks like a large, slimy, disgusting alien slug or something. Bad hair day?
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This is really sad. After all the pounding south Florida took from those four hurricanes I bet there were countless donut shops expecting Michael to singlehandedly put them back in the black.
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ex-lib - no that pic's been photoshopped to remove the "red-eye" ;-)
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by Walter Russell Mead Very long, 6 pages... I must confess I haven't read it all. I will... eventually :)... but I've read the "discarded lies" entry about it; mainly posted for Muck4doo (what does that name means, btw?), as this tells all about lizard chiney.
Oh, and once again, for the pleasure of seeing our EU elites eating sour grapes : Thanks you for having elected GWB!
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Not exactly the Cheney profile it starts out to be. Wordy narrative drifts slowly into administration bashing and concludes on that note.
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Yeah - we had an article by this Ivy League / Henry Kissinger Sr Fellow of Foreign Relations blah blah blah just last week here blathering about Jacksonians - the Trailer Trash guy.
NEW YORK - Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's stock as a potential White House contender jumped dramatically Wednesday as fellow Democrat John Kerry called President Bush to concede the 2004 election.
``Democrats nationally have to look to her. She's the only star they have,'' said Hank Sheinkopf, a Democratic strategist who worked on President Clinton's 1996 re-election campaign.
There was no immediate comment from Sen. Clinton on Kerry's loss and her future.
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"Sheâs the only star they have..."
Without some serious realpolitik injections into her party, she'll remain a very dhim star, too - as the MSM declines in influence. She won't go far without a functional mainstream party. And if they're stupid enough to make the same dhimwit assumptions (can you say "2004 Exit Polls"?) about a New York Senator as they were about a Mass Senator, well, they'll get their heads handed to them on a platter again.
I think "fly-over" America has found its voice. The Dhimmis must change or die an ugly political demise. I believe the WoT will make them and their wacko agenda even more marginal / fringe over the next 4 years.
Go get 'em, Rove. Infiltrate now in the confusion, heh.
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"Democrat John Kerry called President Bush to concede the 2004 election..."
English is so inexact. Last night I went to bed feeling pretty good about Bush's chances. At 5:30 am I woke up and turned on the tube and that sentence was the first thing I heard. It sounded a hell of a lot like Kerry was calling for Bush to concede. I was halfway to Austrailia before the other news straightened it out.
Err, one of my top ten films is 'Conan the Barbarian'
Yeah, makes sense in this world we have today...
explanation: (have had 'several' pints of 5.7% beer this evening in celebration - GO BUSH!)
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Now,THAT is a great picture, Mark.
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As much as I like Arnold & Rudy I wonder if they aren't a bit too centrist to fire up the base that just put Bush back in office. A week ago I was 100% certain that they and those of their ilk were the future of the Republican party. Today I'm not so sure.
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Lolollol,com's rear view (better would be to sit on the battle ax.) ok, ok, enough.
What a rotten day
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The Republicans must position their next candidate early on in a prominant position with lots of public appearances both live and TV. The recognition factor is necessary in that Dick Cheney is not a viable candidate considering his health. I would think a person with just a bit more centrist position on the economy while retaining the moral position of Bush would be the way to go. After that perhaps a minority as a VP would pick up votes from either the Hispanic or Black centrist grouping. With four years just about anybody can be setup in this area as far as position, but the charismatic TV appeal has to be there to begin with. This may sound abit too James Carville for some but it has to be considered in the reality of the political scene. Yes we will probably be facing Hillary and Obama in 08 as the likely candidates. Now is the time to plan and prepare. Hope is not a plan, so don't say "I hope we have a good candidate in 08"
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I'd like to see more asian-american candidates, preferably non-lawyers with some success in business and/or expertise in foreign affairs. Time for us to recognize that, just as the locus of power in this country has shifted south and west, the axis of history has shifted to Asia.
WASHINGTON — A triumphant phalanx of conservative candidates paved the way as Republicans used Election Day to strengthen their grip on Congress and vanquish one of the Democrats' most visible national leaders.
As undecided races in the House and Senate dwindled to a handful, both chambers' GOP leaders rejoiced in their added muscle. In the next Congress, Republicans will have at least 231 seats and probably one more for what would be a three-seat pickup in the 435-member House.
The GOP will control the new Senate 55-44 plus a Democratic-leaning independent, a four-seat gain.
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The Senate majority didn't change, so all chairs remain the same... So what, exactly, are you trying to say? Lol! You're acting most weird and wacky, today... :-)
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He's also correct. The Rs limited time as chairman of committees as part of the 1994 takeover. Hatch's time is up. Somehow, LH thinks Spector will be more liberal than Hatch, who spent most of the last 6 years in Kennedy's pocket. Spector will talk a good game, but he'll get rolled by Rove when the big ones come up. Had PA gone for Bush instead of Kerry it might be different.
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Oops - sorry, Lh. Sigh. Thx for updating me on Hatch, Mrs D!
If there are 250,000 provisional ballots outstanding. The highest number I've seen.
And 90% of those ballots are good, as they were in 2000. That leaves 225,000 votes.
If 85% of those ballots prove to be for Kerry, about the number that Gore got in 2000. That leaves us with 191,250, giving us a lead of 55,029.
If there are only 200,000 provisionals, following the same calculation would leave us with a lead of 16,779.
If the provisional ballots are only 175,000 that leaves us with a deficit of -2,346 that will leaves us in a position to get an automatic statewide recount.
Or, to put it another way, an automatic recount is triggered by a margin of 0.25% or between 13,000 and 16,000 votes
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And if Kerry had a second head he wouldn't need a running mate.
Arizonans approved Proposition 200 on Tuesday. The measure, designed to combat voter and benefits fraud by non-citizens, had a significant lead late Tuesday with most precincts reporting.
But while the battle for votes has come to an end, the fight over Proposition 200 is expected to continue in the courtroom soon, with opponents planning legal challenges that could block it from immediately going into effect.
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I still can't get over the fact that I have to submit ID to check out a book from the Phoenix Public Library.....and that's ok. But, heaven forbid I have to show ID to vote!
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The "great frustration" Arizonans and other border States feel toward illegal immigration isn't simple opposition toward illegals. They feel they are whipsawed by a federal government that actively *wants* huge numbers of illegals to enter the country as long as they stay illegal.
This is done because illegals are very cheap labor that the US economy craves. But if they are legal, or have work permits, they have to be paid much, much more and have other benefits, like unions and being treated like human beings instead of slaves. IT REALLY SUCKS.
So what this proposition really does is take Arizona out of the game. No more indirect State subsidies to businesses that hire illegals. If they want that delicious illegal labor, they have to pay them enough to live on, or they just can't afford to stay in Arizona. And let me tell you: the businesses that hire illegals are going nuts about this legislation. It is like welfare reform for them, the ending of an entitlement, and they bitterly resent being denied their far-below-minimum-wage workforce. If all the border States adopt similar laws, they hope to force the hand of the federal government to create a serious guest worker program--something that should have been done 40 years ago.
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I was in a voir dire proceeding yesterday selecting a jury for a trial in US District Court in San Diego. The case involved an illegal immigrant who had been deported and then recaptured in the US. The defense lawyers asked if any of the prospective jurors had strong feelings about illegal immigrants. Almost half the pool spoke up. Surprisingly about half of the Hispanics in the pool were strongly opposed to illegal immigration and said that we don't need more laws, we just need a government with the guts to enforce the existing ones. I won't repeat the litany of moral outrage (what part of illegal don't you understand?) and economic woes fueling this mood, but it was long, detailed, and not very pretty.
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Anyone in CA know what happened to prop. 187? Was it ever implemented or was it lawyered to death? I suspect that AZ prop. 200 opponents will use the same tactics.
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lawyered to death - overturned by courts
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Deal with it While the Republicans should be magnanimous in victory, the Democrats should acknowledge that this time around George Bush and his party have won a legitimate mandate, says Martin Kettle
Has the remarkable 2004 presidential election merely produced a repeat of the 2000 contest, proof that United States remains as much at war with itself in the aftermath of the second Bush election as it was after the first? Judging by the closeness of the likely electoral college figures, it may look that way. But look more carefully.
Here is a big difference that really matters. In 2000 half a million more Americans voted for Al Gore than for George Bush. Yesterday, on a radically increased turnout, nearly 4 million more voted for Bush than for John Kerry.
Here is another difference. In 2000, Bush took Florida by only 537 votes, a margin of a mere hundredth of a percentage point. Yesterday Bush captured the sunshine state by more than 360,000 votes, a clear majority of five full points. Another decisive change.
And here is a third. Four years ago, it is beyond doubt that Ralph Nader, running as a third party candidate, took enough votes in Florida and elsewhere to hand the White House to Bush. Yesterday, the Nader effect faded to negligibility.
But it was a sweet night for the Republicans in other ways too. In both houses of Congress, they strengthened their narrow advantage. In the senate, where John Thune knocked off the Democratic minority leader Tom Daschle in South Dakota, Republican control is now locked in, another difference from 2000. In the House, for the sixth election in a row, the Republicans retained and strengthened their control. If this doesn't add up to a mandate, it is hard to know what the word means. Increased turnout. Narrow but decisive wins on all fronts. What more can you ask for from a single campaign? Bush and his party won fair (well, probably) and square.
There are no excuses this time. We can hope that Bush takes note of the great (pro-American) English conservative Edmund Burke's dictum that "magnanimity in politics is not seldom the truest wisdom" and governs more consensually now than before. But Bush's opponents should be wise too. Bush won. They lost. It's time for the Democrats to get back to the drawing board.
Martin Kettle was the Guardian's Washington correspondent from 1997 to 2001.
Pressed into place The weakness of Bush as a candidate and the antipathy from the traditional US media made the result close. Bush was saved by the vibrancy and diversity of the internet, talk radio and cable news, writes US blogger Glenn Reynolds.
As I write this, it's all over bar the shouting, though the shouting may go on for a while. Kerry supporter Andrew Sullivan writes:
"IT'S OVER: President Bush is narrowly re-elected. It was a wild day with the biggest black eyes for exit pollsters. I wanted Kerry to win. I believed he'd be more able to unite the country at home, more fiscally conservative, more socially inclusive, and better able to rally the world in a more focused war on terror. I still do. But a slim majority of Americans disagreed. And I'm a big believer in the deep wisdom of the American people. They voted in huge numbers, and they made a judgment."
Blogger Stephen Green, noting that this time it's a Republican with a majority in the popular vote as well as the electoral college, observes: "Bush has obviously won the popular vote. If he was 'selected not elected' in 2000, then why on Earth would the Dems want to try to put Kerry in via lawsuits in 2004?"
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I have to shake my head over this Sullivan quote: I wanted Kerry to win. I believed heâd be more able to unite the country at home...
Does that mean that Bush supporters were less likely to be sore losers than Kerry supporters? Do you really want to give an election to a guy because you're afraid his supporters might not take "no" for an answer?
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"ITâS OVER: President Bush is narrowly re-elected.
Not to stomp on Sullivan's toes, but Bush has something that Bill Clinton never had: a majority of the votes... not just a plurality, but a majority. And it was a majority of the biggest voter turnout ever. Call it "narrow" if you will, but it's a pretty clear mandate as even Chris Matthews was able to admit to Katie Couric.
Why Democrats lose in middle America
In the aftermath of the civil war that the United States has just fought, one result is clear: The Democratic Party's first priority should be to reconnect with the American heartland.
Yep. That county map's pretty red, isn't it? What do you suggest, Nick?
John Kerry's supporters should be feeling wretched about the millions of farmers, factory workers and waitresses who ended up voting - utterly against their own interests - for Republican candidates. Stupid Little People!
Must be time to Educate them, huh? Okay. Go wag your finger in their faces and tell them where they're wrong.
Won't somebody think of the children(TM)?
One of the Republican Party's major successes over the last few decades has been to persuade many of the working poor to vote for tax breaks for billionaires.
He's right, y'know? The Publicans even went so far as to send the little people checks...
Most Americans don't object to tax cut for those in higher income brackets because the American dream is to propel oneself into that very same bracket.
Americans for the most part are a people of ambition not envy.
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Maybe if the Democrats would back off from their obviously nonsensical redistributionist ideas and class warfare diatribes they could re-take their place as a party of loyal opposition... instead of the party of Stalinist welfare theives.
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Arguements that try to convince people to join your side is always helped by opening with "You idiots"
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The whole attitude this elitist asshole spews is part of what pisses me off about the DNC. Their utter 'disdain' for 'middle america' (or 'flyover-country' america). As if middle america (thats 'farmers, factory workers, and waitresses') needs to be guided and herded along like sheep or cows to where the food is or where the shelter is.
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The libs lost again and still haven't figured it out. I suspect you could hit them with a fusion powered Clue-bat and they still wouldn't get it.
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The party of Pelosi and Kennedy and Maria Tereza's BoyToy is crippled above all by its condescending, sneering attitude toward religion and the military culture. This problem cannot be remedied without a wholesale change in leadership, because if you don't understand intuitively the concepts of faith, loyalty, duty, and honor, no one can explain them to you.
It goes without saying-- though I;ve been saying this ad nauseam for four years-- that the Dems need to get serious, and hawkish, about national security. But on the domestic front, the Party of the Working Man is also screwed, at least with their present platform and leadership.
Suppose they try to get religion and go hard populist a la Huey Long, Tom Watson and other classic southern class warriors. They may well pick up some of Rove's four million sidelined evangelicals, but they will certainly lose at least that number of middle-class suburbanites and exurbanites. It is precisely these educated, white-collar professionals who are most suspicious of government intervention and who account for most of the recent migrants to the rapid growth states in the sunbelt and the rapid growth exurbs outside Chicago, Dallas, etc.
IMHO the Dems cannot win the "values" debate with a bicoastal pro-gay, aging feminist elite. Instead, they should make the most of their social liberalism ad combine it with economic libertarianism. Attack Bush hard on his coziness with corporate welfare recipients. Attack the scandalous protection of the BabyBells under Michael Powell's FCC. Make Eliot Spitzer the poster child for your attitude toward Wall Street.
And combine this with a radical approach to solving the health care mess: mandatory insurance required of every individual, along with caps on punitive damages in malpractice suits and limited access to vanity procedures and most elective surgeries. These changes would lower rates across the board and make health insurance affordable. They should play the health care card, and hard, because it's a national problem that causes grief to everyone, from auto executives to small business owners to contractors and workingmen.
Finally, they need to get serious about winning in the high growth states. Pretty soon, Texas and Florida each will have more votes than New York. COlorado will have more electoral votes than Wisconsin, and Arizona, NM and Nevada more votes each than Iowa. Libertarian + laser-like focus on solving he health insurance mess is a winning formula in these states.
Screw Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio and the aging, shrinking rustbelt. Whoever gets the allegiance of the sunbelt yuppies and small businesspeople + the active and ex-military + hispanics will have a lock on the states that are growing fastest and that will set this nation's domestic agenda in this century.
Bush may have steamrollered his way back into the White House, but his re-election will further galvanise the resurgence of progressive opposition, writes US blogger Markos Moulitsas
George Bush has dismayed half the US public and, I'm sure, much of the world by apparently winning the election.
Apparently? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...
Fiskers, have at him. He's beggin' for it.
"Markos? His eyes are brown because he's so full of shit!"
-- Me
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To the entire stable of fuckwits like this may I say that this comprehensive defeat couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of cretins, whores, and ghouls. You have been bitch-slapped into oblivion. You've all earned your shit sandwich, especially you, Rall...
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And those efforts, as I have written before, were all aided and abetted by a well-oiled message machine the likes of which the American left is still unable to match.
CBSABCNBCDPBSNYTWAPOLAT can't match the blogosphere? somebody should ask for their money back.
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Our newly minted thinktanks will work to match the right's successful efforts in defining the political lexicon - death tax, tax relief, compassionate conservatism. And activists will be better trained to carry the fight into the field.
DEMOCRAT kingmaker James Carville said his party would need "a lot of reassessment" after Republicans strengthened their hold on Capitol Hill. "I had hoped and thought we would do better," said Mr Carville, the strategist often credited for engineering Bill Clinton's political victories. "But we didn't and as a party we need a lot of reassessment right now. We didn't do that well in 2000, we didn't do that well in 2002 and we haven't done that well in '04, so I think it's necessary that we go through some tough times now and look at what we're doing and where we're going as a political party."
As a party you're drifting further and further to the left and identifying closer with Euro parties. That's not necessarily a bad thing — it gives voters a choice between a social democrat approach and a conservative American approach. The three main faults I see with the Dems is their affinity for corruption, their intolerant espousal of social radicalism, and the fact that they're built as a coalition of often competing voting blocs. All the Republicans are at least moving in the same direction, and our "party line" leaves lots of room for differences in opinion.
It was thought the Republicans would be vulnerable, especially in the swing states, but instead the party increased its majorities by perhaps five seats in the House of Representatives and two in the Senate.
The Dems have their choice: change their direction or explain it away. I'm betting they'll explain it away one more time. It's too easy being Left...
"Across four southern states it's a clean sweep for us," gloated Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist.
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Simple: The Dem party needs to go back to party of Scoop Jackson, Zell Miller, Sam Nunn. And away from the party of Michael Moore, Ted Kennedy and Howard Dean.
Become pro-defense at home, pro-democracy abroad , take a JFKennedy "A rising tide lifts all boats" policy toward taxes, and maintain thier help for the poor. And allow for dissenting opinions on abortion and religion.
Of course, that would make them the current Republican party.
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I'm sure Hillary is happy with the outcome. She's got four years to plan for her run.
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Headed out in a bit.
Funeral at 11, be there at 10, leaving at 9.
Be drunk as I can get after interment to try to numb off the pain I will see today - VFW and Legion are all going to be at the legion hall out here, and the taps will be open.
On the "good" side, this moved me to make a few calls back east this morning. And I may be going back in again - but behind a desk for sure.
It would neccessarily make me curtail my content here, but if I can help catch these bastards sooner, then thats what I'm going to do. So maybe some good will come of this, getting me personally motivated.
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OldSpook, I don't know if you got my note yesterday but I know exactly how you feel. I had to do the same thing 3 weeks ago. One of mine was killed by a roadside bomb as he was waist-high in the gun tub on a supply truck. It hurts.
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You'll be in my thoughts/prayers OS, I would advise a weeks wait to consider reup..... just to be sure of your heart/mind.
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Of course, that would make them the current Republican party. lol!
The Democratic party has somehow morphed into the party of the rich white socialites and upper middle class, who deem themselves worthy to judge how the busy working class and "non-enlightened" should think and act. They throw shiny beads to the poor and uneducated minorities, beadsd that glitter, but are not gold. And sadly, the poor and uneducated scoop up the beads, giving away their votes in exchange for worthless bureaucratic programs that do nothing to improve their lot.
I know these well-meaning people, they are nice and good hearted - but they have lived sheltered lives and haven't a clue what it's like to have to worry about paying the electric or tax bill. They pay their maids $10 per hour and feel that they are at one with them because they vote Democrat. They send their kids to private school - but feel noble when they oppose vouchers, wanting "others" to keep their kids in the public schools to keep them viable.
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Your wisdom and knowledge, Old Spook, can only help speed us to victory. But remember, dear one, it was you that advised cold reason rather than hot anger. Bounce rubble if you must, but don't salt the earth, 'k? And we'll be content knowing that you look in on us from time to time, even if you don't actually post.
In the meantime, let someone else drive you home this afternoon. We don't want to lose you needlessly.
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"Simple: The Dem party needs to go back to party of Scoop Jackson, Zell Miller, Sam Nunn. And away from the party of Michael Moore, Ted Kennedy and Howard Dean.
Become pro-defense at home, pro-democracy abroad , take a JFKennedy "A rising tide lifts all boats" policy toward taxes, and maintain thier help for the poor. And allow for dissenting opinions on abortion and religion.
Of course, that would make them the current Republican party"
as someone who worked my heart out for Scoop Jackson in ancient times, I can tell you that going to the economic approach of Scoop Jackson WOULD not make the Dems the same as the current GOP.
Im surprised Carville or someone doesnt point out that Gore 'won', while Kerry lost, and blame Shrum, et al.
The problem of Jackson-Humphrey dems (for so we called ourselves, although you right wingers may repudiate HHH) is that there really isnt the social base for that kind of party - there simply arent enough union members, and those there are arent as comfortable as they were in those days. Clintonism, which is more conservative on economics, and more liberal on cultural issues (though not as liberal as Kerryism), may be the best we can get and win with. Gore in 2000 tried to leaven it with a bit more social democracy than Clinton did. Some would say he won. An argument over how much social democracy should go in a sane dem party WOULD have been the debate between Lieberman and Gephardt - Joe going for more clinton style free market approach, and Gephardt for more social dem approach. Both were blown out the water by Iraq and tide of anger in the Dem party.
Despite the loss, I dont think the dems will return to sanity in 2008 if the war is still on and seems to be going poorly. If so they will lurch FURTHER to the left, to Dean or someone like that. The only hope for either Gephardt OR Lieberman style politics is for a calmer international situation by 2007.
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During that time they managed to expend all their ideas
no they expended their new deal ideas by 1974 or so. They were the brain dead party from 1974 to 1988, while the GOP, inspired by Thatcherism, was the party of ideas. In the late 1980s a new source of ideas emerged, thirdwayism, which also has strong intellectual roots in Great Britain - but Blair this time, not Thatcher. Clinton revived the Dems as a party of ideas, even if that did not guarantee victories (see 1994) Unfortunately Clintons personal failings weakened third way momentum - just in time for 19 Islamist mass murderers to turn American politics on its head.
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I absolutely loathe Smeagol Carville, but give the devil his due, the man knows his stuff.
I wonder if the best thing for the Dems would be for the Jackson/Humphrey/Liberalhawk crowd to expel the moonbat Angry Left. If you got rid of the Pelosis and McKinneys and Soros/Moore/Deanie Babies and other extremists (e.g. Rev. Jackson, Kate Michelman), you'd be left with a party of reasonably normal people who lean left on economic issues. (In other words, my parents.) I'd not be inclined to vote with that party, but I could be persuaded; and I certainly wouldn't be worried for the future of the Republic if they took power. It would be a minority party without the Angry Left, but that could change over time; in the meantime, we'd at least have healthy competition in the marketplace of ideas.
Only problem is, the extreme and batty hold most of the levers of power within the party, so the means of accomplishing this are not obvious. Still, 'Hawk, if you and your like-minded compatriots go for it, I for one shall wish you well.
'Spook, thank you for your service, and if you go over there again, good luck, good hunting, and get home safe.
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My thoughts are with you too OS.
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LH, Clinton's most successful idea was Ross Perot. In his absence, no victory for Clinton. Further the absence of ideas acceptable to the Democrat power structure and the attempt to adopt Hillarycare led to the GOP House victory only two years later. Clinton is only a "market correction" in the era of Republican rule that looks good to last for another couple of decades, even if another correction gives the Democrat the WH in '08.
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OS, Be cool. I hope you do go back, You'd be an asset.
Back on to the subject of this.....just checked out the MoveOn.org webpage, for the sheer hell of it. Nuthin' 'bout yesterday, or today for that matter. You'd think they'd have somebody whining and bitching, or something snarky from Michael Moore, but not a damn thing.
If nothing else, I hope those clowns finally get kicked out of the Democrat party so reasonable people can come back........
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OS--I'm sorry to hear of your plight and want to add my condolences. Take care.
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OldSpook - if you do go back in (and I hope you do if you can; we need people like you in this fight), here's hoping you can at least check in occasionally to let us know how you're doing.
We all know you won't be able to say anything, but your worth to us at Rantburg is NOT based on any inside information you may have. You are a valued friend.
Good luck and bless you.
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My Condolances to you and the Marine's family.
Drop us a line now and then,'k'?
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As everyone else has said so eloquently, OS, my heart, prayers and condolences go out to you and to that Marine and his family. If you should ship out, please do drop a line now and then, even if you can't comment.
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Take great care, OS, if you do follow your inclination. You know you have a home here if it doesn't work out - and we'll be the winners, in that case. Sincere condolences to the families of the fallen, their sacrifice is the supreme gift of life and freedom for the rest of us.
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I agree with Mrs. Davis that Clinton would not have been elected w/o Ross Perot taking 10+% of the votes. The Dems decline also coincides with the disappearance of Ross Perot Carville's marriage to Mary Matalin-bot. Just what is he confessing during pillow talk?
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positive response, phone message when i got home. have to go schedule polygraph exam and drug test, talk to investigator for my update
gonna ask about whats allowed for posting betting not much
odd to renew that 25 year lock on my brain that uncle sam has never thought i d be doin this then never thought 9/11 would happen
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Old Spook, I don't know if you'll see this or not, but I'd like to offer my condolences, and wish you success at whatever you wind up doing.
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Need you, Old Spook. Glad you're going back in. Remember: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -- Edmund Burke
Republican Mel Martinez claimed victory as he held onto a slim lead early Wednesday in the race to replace Sen. Bob Graham. Democrat Betty Castor refused to concede and she was preparing to challenge the results. Martinez led by 79,067 votes out of more than 7.1 million counted as he hoped to become the first Cuban-American senator. Castor was trying to become the state's first woman senator since Graham beat Republican Paula Hawkins 18 years ago. With 7,178 of 7,241 precincts reporting, Martinez had 3,542,919 votes, or 49 percent, compared with Castor's 3,462,952 votes, or 48 percent. Veterans Party candidate Dennis Bradley had 161,880 votes.
Castor, though, wasn't willing to give up. "What we are anxious to do is find out what the final vote is and when we find out what the final vote is, we will make some decisions," she said, estimating that about 250,000 votes were still uncounted. Castor spokesman Dan McLaughlin, said the campaign hired lawyer Eric Kleinfeld and said it was preparing for a possible challenge. He called Martinez's victory claim "the height of arrogance."
I guess we all have our own definition of "the height of arrogance."
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Please count the absentees and pad the Bush cushion... matter of fact... let's count the absentee in California, Washington, New York, Michigan, Illinois and Texas. Won't change any of the electorial standings, but I'm willing to bet it would add another million to Bush's popular vote difference.
Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell said it would take 11 days for a final result to be declared in the battleground midwest state. "I tell everybody, just take a deep breath and relax. We can't predict what the results are going to be," Blackwell, the state's top election official, told CNN television. Blackwell said that under state law, Ohio election officials would begin counting outstanding provisional ballots 11 days from Tuesday on Nov 13. Many provisional ballots have been cast by military members serving overseas, he said. "We're not going to start counting those (provisional) ballots until the 11th day after the election," Blackwell said.
The projections by Fox and NBC -- which were not repeated by the three other major networks ABC, CBS and CNN -- thrust Bush to within one electoral vote of winning re-election. CNN reported that Ohio was too close to call with Bush leading Kerry by just over 100,000 votes, or 51 to 49 percent, with 93 percent of the vote counted. If Bush is determined to have won Ohio, and with results from the seven other states not yet called, the president will be sitting on 269 electoral votes. The winning candidate needs 270 electoral votes and if the Ohio projections stand, a Bush victory in any one of the other states -- Hawaii, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, New Mexico and Wisconsin -- would put him over the edge
Still, Kerry could tie Bush at 269 votes, forcing the election to be decided by the House of Representatives, if he wins all the 58 electoral votes that those seven states account for. However, a tie for Kerry would be tantamount to a loss as Bush's Republican party controls the House. In terms of the popular vote, Bush led with 51.4 million votes, or 51 percent, to Kerry's 47.8 million votes, or 48 percent, with 83 percent of the country's precincts reporting, according to CNN.
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Introducing the John Kerry condom... for stupid f*ckers who don't know when to pull out.
I was just over at DU's(wanted to point my finger and snicker).They reguire registration,this is what I found"The page you requested cannot be displayed. Sorry, user registration has been temporarily turned off by the administrator of this website. Please try again later." They are sure spitting out all that sour grape juice.
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Raptor - There are none so blind as those that will not see.
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Its BAD - I visited there and you do not want to be there.
The conspiracy theories they have boggle the mind. Its sad to see what denial and delusion can cause a human to do to itself. Truly self destructive, and in a way, sad.
As I said elsewhere
DU is lookig like a 55 gallon drum half full of rabid weasels. They are clawing, biting and attacking anything that moves, but mainly chewing eash other. Its the largest site on the internet that is simultaneously violent, psychotic and delusional (outside of the Arab sites).
President George W. Bush's campaign claimed a decisive victory in the race for the White House but Democratic challenger John Kerry refused to concede leaving the US election snared in an embarrassing stalemate for the second time in four years. After a marathon campaign dominated by the war on terror and the invasion of Iraq, Republicans and Democrats battled over the result in the crucial state of Ohio and no official winner was immediately declared. "We are convinced that President Bush has won re-election with at least 286 Electoral College votes," Andrew Card, the White House chief of staff told a Republican campaign victory rally in Washington. The aide called it a "decisive margin" of victory, more than 3.5 million votes ahead of Kerry. "In this election, President Bush received more votes than any presidential candidate in our country's history." Card said Wednesday that Bush had a lead of 140,000 votes in Ohio which was "statistically insurmountable." Other sources gave a different tally.
Kerry's running-mate John Edwards vowed, "We will fight for every vote." Kerry campaign manager Mary Beth Cahill said more than 250,000 votes remained to be counted in Ohio. "We believe when they are, John Kerry will win Ohio." Bush campaign communications director Nicolle Devenish called the refusal to concede "delusional".
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Zogby joins Dan rather as a prime exhibit in the Museum of People Who Get a Reputation as Authoritative Even Though They Do Not Have a Freeping Clue.
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Wake up people. Zogby is Muslim. Who was the candidate of choice for Muslims this year?
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Mark Z.: Wake up people. Zogby is Muslim. Who was the candidate of choice for Muslims this year?
Actually, Zogby is Christian. But he is Arab. However, I think most Arab Christians support Bush. Especially the Maronites and Copts who have switched over to the main line evangelical denominations. And many don't think of themselves as Arabs, as they were the original occupants of their homelands before the Arabs established their empire in the Middle East.
EFL, really!
MIAMI The global implications of the U.S. election are undeniable, but international monitors at a polling station in southern Florida said Tuesday that voting procedures being used in the extremely close contest fell short in many ways of the best global practices. The observers said they had less access to polls than in Kazakhstan, that the electronic voting had fewer fail-safes than in Venezuela, that the ballots were not so simple as in the Republic of Georgia and that no other country had such a complex national election system. "To be honest, monitoring elections in Serbia a few months ago was much simpler," said Konrad Olszewski, an election observer stationed in Miami by the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe. "They have one national election law and use the paper ballots I really prefer over any other system," Olszewski said. We should change our system to make it simpler for Europeans? Riiight.
Formation of the U.S. election mission came after the Enemies of America State Department issued a standard letter on June 9 inviting the group to monitor the election. All 55 states in the organization have, since 1990, agreed to invite observation teams to their national elections. The decision to observe a U.S. presidential election for the first time was made because of changes prompted by controversy over the U.S. elections in 2000, involving George W. Bush and Al Gore. "Our presence is not meant as a criticism," said Ron Gould, Olszewski's team partner and the former assistant chief electoral officer for Elections Canada. "We mainly want to assess changes taken since the 2000 election." It's none of your f'n busines.
Speaking as voting began at 7 a.m. in the Firefighter's Memorial Hall for precincts 401 and 446 of Miami-Dade County, the observers drew sharp distinctions between U.S.-style elections and those conducted elsewhere around the world. "Unlike almost every other country in the world, there is not one national election today," said Gould, who has been involved in 90 election missions in 70 countries. "The decentralized system means that rules vary widely county by county, so there are actually more than 13,000 elections today." We call thad fed-er-al-ism. Get used to it. Continued on Page 49
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We generally monitor other elections if requested, mainly because we have a couple of centuries experience of what shenanigans are possible in a given system. If there's a crooked way to undetectably fix an election, it's an odds-on bet that an American invented it. Bob Mugabe ain't got nothin' on Frank Rizzo and Richard (Da Mayor) Daley.
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I think requiring a fingerprint as well as a signature to get a ballot, and requiring complete re-registration every four years would do a lot to clear out the fraud in the system. And if the deadbeat dads are too intimidated to show up, that's a feature, not a bug!
Check your state for results. The thing that impressed me was that Bush got an absolute majority of votes, the first time that's happened in a long time. Most recent winners only had a plurality.
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I couldn't resist this as an example of how desperate the MSM is for 'good news'. BTW Botswana is very well run by subsaharan African standards.
The U.S. is unable to do what countries like Botswana, a southern African nation of 1.6 million people, are capable of doing: delivering election results within a day.
That could be because we're a nation of 280,000,000 people. Just a thought...
Americans and the rest of us will be surprised that a country that sent a man to the moon 30 years ago can't give us the results of an election on the same day,'' said Klas Eklund, chief economist at SEB AB, the third-biggest Nordic bank by assets in Stockholm and a former adviser to the Swedish government. Its almost a definition of MSM desperation that they have to use a quote from a tier 2 scandinivian banker get a positive spin on the US election - hilarious!
On Oct. 30, the ruling party in Botswana was reelected, winning 44 out of 57 parliamentary seats in a country where average income is less than 10 percent of the U.S. The opposition accepted the results that evening. I think they inadvertantly highlighted the problem here.
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Not to mention a parliamentary system is somewhat different than the winner-take-all system the US has. Each district worries about itself, not as much about the national election.
Oh, and then there is the ability for a US President to actually do something for good or ill while the Botswana Prime Minister is pretty much stuck hoping for foreign aid and good crops.
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Article: the ruling party in Botswana was reelected, winning 44 out of 57 parliamentary seats
It staggers the mind how stupid (and ideologically-blinkered) reporters are. 44 out of 57 parliamentary seats is a landslide - it means the ruling party took almost 80% of the seats. GWB has not won 80% of the electoral votes. The number is more like 50%. This is why there is contention here.
Az passed proposition 200.If I understand this bill it requires showing id/proof of citezenship to vote,and places severe limits on benefits given to illegals(Bout damn time,too)
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Unfortunately, this affects Americans who receive services from agencies funded by public money. If a woman who is a citizen, is fleeing domestic violence (DV) and goes to a DV shelter, if she does not have proper ID, she could be refused entry to the shelter and access to its services. I agree that immigration issues are not being properly addressed. It is too bad that this Prop affects citizens as well. Signed, A Conservative Social Worker
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As a Arizonia citizen and voter, one who voted for Prop 200, I saw the need for it as I was in the poll yesterday. I had received a new registration card which I had not yet signed, deliberatly. I presented the card but was not ask to sign it and was not ask to show any proof that I was the person who was named on the card. I could have stolen, found or fraudulently obtained this card. While I don't believe that voter fraud is rampant in the U. S. I damn well don't want it to become so. Prop 200 may not be the perfect instrument, but it is a first step into getting a handle on this running sore that is present in the border states.
The Hispanic activists tell us it is racist and discriminatory. Quite the contrary, it protects the Hispanic citizen just as well as the Anglo. If you want to be a U.S. citizen you must be one over and above all other loyalities that you may have held.
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MSW: are shelters in AZ state funded or partially state funded? My wife is MSW also... and helps out in that area from time to time.
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As a concerned Arizona resident, I voted against Prop. 200. Ill-thought out, unfunded, and a bandage for the all too serious problem of illegal immigration. (Under this proposed law, governmental services must require proof of citizenship: for example a librarian who gives phone information to a non-citizen could face fines and prison time...)
_borgboy sez its not only a bandage but a dirty one at that...
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OF,
I will never understand this. You would think someone whose voter registration card was stolen and someone voted in their stead would have taken legal action to stop this disenfranchisment of legitimate voters. Where I vote, one is asked for a driver's license or picture ID.
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Shipman,
Most Domestic Violence shelters in Arizona get some of their funding from the State, as do many other social service agencies. This Prop goes way beyond showing your ID to vote as it affects American citizens' access to services. I agree that voting for this Prop was the voters way of telling the government that immigration issues are not being addressed.
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Under this proposed law, governmental services must require proof of citizenship: for example a librarian who gives phone information to a non-citizen could face fines and prison time...
Oooooh, let's throw in the 'poor librarian' defense. You left out the fireman putting out a non-citizens' car fire.
This was a vote based on frustration. The best the opposition to Prop 200 could throw out (besides 1 million to try and defeat it) was saying "hold out for 'real' reform". Like that would have happened. Until this admittedly flawed proposal came about, reform would never have even been discussed, never mind facing any pressure to do so.
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Prop 200 in Arizona, like Prop 187 in California, is an indictment of our gutless state and federal governments' unwillingness to enforce the law. Have you ever stopped to consider the absurdity of a State legislature debating whether or not to give ILLEGAL aliens drivers licenses or to provide them INSTATE tuition at state universities? This don't ask-don't tell approach to the law started with Bill Clinton and continues to spread. Much of the budget problems afflicting California and Arizona rests with uncontrolled illegal immigration and the state and federal mandates that make the taxpayers support them.
White House 'Convinced' of Bush Victory
Ohio held the key, stirring echoes of Florida in 2000, but this time Bush's advantage was substantial. With a majority of the popular vote in hand, the Republican president planned to declare victory early Wednesday. "We are convinced that President Bush has won re-election," White House chief of staff Andrew Card said shortly before dawn in the East. as for the scare quotes around 'convinced' - it just reminds us that the MSM doom and gloom scare tatics failed. They can stamp their feet all they want to. It's over. The people have spoken. Bush won.
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Indeed, God did not abandon us in our hour of need.
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I'm a lot more confident now than I was at 4 p.m. yesterday. But there still remains the chance the late returns from the dead will steal it away from us.
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I hope W. just relaxes this morning. No need to declare anything yet. Let Kerry have some more time to do the right thing. If Kerry decides not to it gives the dimmis more time to look even more pathetic. Hopefully Kerry will do the right thing sooner then later for himself. If he doesn't, then it only behooves the Repubs as Americans will see Kerry and his party for what they have really become.
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Fred, the only really dead people are Kedwards.
They don't have the backlog of votes in the provos or absentee ballots in Ohio. They have too much a gap to make up. The dems will suffer severly among independents in nation if they do not concede quickly especially if Iowa, New Mexico and Nevada are given to Bush. This is another reason the Clintons put their people in the campaign - to help keep the Indies sanity if it got close. Hillary will need all those votes in 08 and she doesn't want Kerry to alienate them. As far as Edwards goes, he is toast. He is a future non-factor - forever a loser! He couldn't even bring in his home state (both of them - NC/SC) and his seat went to a republican. What is fascinating and that I haven't heard a lot of lately is that Kerry is still a senator and it will be fun watching him taking on Bush in term 2. By the way, if Kerry is the "new" Dem leader then how come Harry Reid will be the new minority leader in the Senate?
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I'm glad to hear you say you were skeered at four yesterday Fred, I thought I was the only wimp. Paid too damn much attention to exit polling. Again!
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I think it's over Fred. With 100% of precincts in Ohio reporting Bush is up 136,221 and Ohio is currently reporting 135,149 issued provisional ballots (though the site updates so there will likely be a few more). Ohio makes it at worst 269-269 and the House would reelect Bush so at this point Iowa and New Mexico are pretty much irrelevant.
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rkb, what is the cost to the country of Kerry not conceding? The electoral college doesn't meet for weeks. If Kerry wants to be a poor loser and plunge the MSM into fits of scenario generation, it only makes them all look foolish. Kerry's handling of the concession is really the kickoff for the 2008 race. If the Democrats want to start looking like crybaby trial attorneys, fine with me. The result will not be changed one iota.
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rkb, granted, I have no patience for whiners/sore losers either & I do not wish for Kerry to drag this out another week as it is bad for the country. I do want a loyal opposition in this country (I'm still an independent at heart). I can wait another 12 hours however for democracy to complete it's job. Plus, Bush looks more statesmen-like if he gives Kerry at least a little more time concede on his own before throwing the "bullshit flag". I still think Kerry's a schmuck and would like nothing better then to rub it in but I think W. benefits if he waits a bit. In situations like these, I always ask myself - what would George Washington, Ben Franklin or Abe Lincoln do?
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I knew that my prayers were working! The defeat of Kerry and Daschele proves that there really is a God! JK but I really am a happy person this morning.
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Despite my severe and growing anger that Kerry won't concede, I do feel like an enormous weight has been lifted from me this morning.
I'm particularly pleased to hear that Clark County in Ohio told the Guardian loons to shove it.
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Do the Math.
At most there are 180K total provisional ballots. At best, 70% are valid (based on 2002, only 40% of them are probably valid). For the sake of argument, lets use 70%. Thats 126K Provisional. And there are an estimated 5000 absentee votes yet to be counted, almost all of the military.
Thats 131,000. Bush is up by over 134,000.
Even if Kerry were to win every single one of those militay ballots, and the provisional ballots, he cannot win.
Had Kerry and company any grace at all, he would conceed.
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I finally went to bed at 2 after waiting and waiting for the MSM to give Ohio to Bush but they...just...couldn't...do...it. Also wanted to hang around to see who had their nervous breakdown first, Dan Rather or Judy Woodruff.
I don't know for sure, but were "provisional votes" invented about 12:30 this morning? That was about the first time I had ever heard of them.
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Here's a question: Would Bush have won without blogs? Seems to me the answer is no: without them, the Swiftboat Vets never would have seen the light of day; and Dan Rather could have perpetrated his stunt with the forged Texas Air National Guard memos with complete impunity. I suppose I could find other examples looking back, but those are the two that pop out right off the top.
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I put my 2¢ in and tried to deliver PA's 21 electoral votes to Bush. Thank God the rest of the nation didn't falter!
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CNN reporting that 20k provisionals have been tallied in Ohio with 2/3 coming in for Bush.
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Would Bush have won without blogs? I would have to say no. The SeeBS, F911, Hollywoodheads, and Moveon folks would have lathered up the LLL with impunity. It was the line in the sand, drawn by the Pajamahadeen, that carried this election. Every word uttered by the MSM was disected before the 24-hour news cycle was over. Debunking of the myths and charges from the LLL. Thank you brave soldiers for you efforts! Dirka Dirka Pajamahadeen, ALA AHKBAR! (Yes GOD is great!)
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"Every word uttered by the MSM was disected before the 24-hour news cycle was over."
Ayup. I think that is a reality that is here to stay, and it's one the MSM are going to have an increasingly difficult time dealing with. For now, they retain a near-monopoly on raw news collection, and will until the first bloggers are invited to White House press conferences in lieu of CBS/NBC/ABC, etc.
But they're lost forever the ability to cherry-pick facts with complete impunity, as well as their monopoly in telling us how to interpret the facts.
The Blogosphere is a distributed, parallel-processing Bullshit Detection System with global reach and near-instantaneous response time.
Dan Rather, eat our shorts.
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The Blogosphere is a distributed, parallel-processing Bullshit Detection System
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I hope that we will now begin to prepare for 2008. I also hope that the government will aggressively investigate voter fraud and abused non-profit status. Purge the executive branch agencies, especially CIA and FBI of blatant politics. It's the way the Dhimmicrats play the game. Why hold the reigns of government if you refuse to use them?
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The best prep for '08 will be to allow W to continue to rebuild the GOP. I spoke to a couple of folks close to the campaign at the convention who believe that he may well be the best political organizer the GOP has seen in nearly a century. Hyperbole or not his organization won the game for him yesterday.
Mitofsky International is a survey research company founded by Warren J. Mitofsky in 1993. Its primary business is conducting exit polls for major elections around the world. It does this work exclusively for news organizations. Mitofsky has directed exit polls and quick counts since 1967 for almost 3,000 electoral contests in United States, Mexico, Russia and the Philippines. From 1967 to 1990, Mitofsky was executive director of the CBS News election and survey unit, and was an executive producer of its election night broadcasts. He conducted the first exit polls for CBS in 1967, and developed the projection and analysis system used successfully by CBS and Voter News Service. He started the CBS News/New York Times Poll in 1975 and directed it for CBS for its first 15 years. game's up, CBS
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Exit polls are notoriously unreliable. In anything like a close race they might as well go straight in the bin. The sex ratio or respondents made it clear from the outset that male (tending Repub) voters were declining to answer the pollsters more often than females.
Presidential Summary 98 percent - Nationwide precincts reporting Kerry Dem 54,457,514 votes - 48 percent Has won 20 states with 252 electoral votes
Leads in 0 states with 0 electoral votes
Bush Rep 58,009,162 votes - 51 percent Has won 28 states with 254 electoral votes
Leads in 3 states with 32 electoral votes
Nader Ind 388,441 votes - 0 percent
Has won 0 states with 0 electoral votes
Leads in 0 states with 0 electoral votes
Others 655,912 votes - 1 percent
Has won 0 states with 0 electoral votes
Leads in 0 states with 0 electoral votes
Needed to win: 270 of the total 538 electoral votes
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President Bush pulled within striking distance of a second term early this morning, although Sen. John Kerry's campaign vowed to stage a come-from-behind victory in the pivotal state of Ohio. SecState Blackwell says will begin count of provisional ballots in 10 days, but he doesn't think there will be enough to change things.
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Republicans swept the five Democratic Southern Senate seats up for election, expanding their majority by at least three seats in the U.S. Senate, and appeared to have scored a major upset by knocking off Democratic Minority Leader Tom Daschle of South Dakota.
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State constitutional amendments to uphold marriage as the union of a man and a woman easily passed yesterday in all 11 states where it was on the ballot.
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Republicans made beating Senator Daschle a priority and tapped the telegenic Senator Thune, a former basketball star from the hamlet of Murdo, as their standard bearer. US Congress's top Democrat, Tom Daschle, lost his bid to be re-elected to the Senate, capping a night of defeats his party, which also failed to win control of either chamber of the US legislature.
Don'tcha just hate it when the rubes back home pay attention to what you do in Washington?
Senator Daschle, arguably the most powerful Democrat in the US Congress, lost the Senate's most closely watched election in a squeaker to Republican challenger John Thune, a former member of the House of Representatives. In failing to hold on to the seat he first won in 1986, Senator Daschle becomes the first Senate leader to lose re-election in more than half a century. Senator Daschle and Senator Thune spent more than $US40 million ($A53.64 million) in what was also the Senate's most expensive and bitterly contested race. Although a long-time South Dakota incumbent and the state's top politician, Senator Daschle faced a tough race as a Democrat in an overwhelmingly Republican state.
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People got tired of his lame obstructionist crapola up there finally eh?
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I contributed big bucks to get Dasshole's ass kicked out of the Senate, and I'm glad I did. While Bush's victory brings me relief, Daschle's defeat brings a smirk to my face. Buh bye, you useless piece of lying crap!!
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"I'm deeply saddened."
--Tom Daschle
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LOL!! No more of that bullshit!
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Dave D, I only gave $25 but i kike to think that my little bit helped and I have a thank you letter from SENATOR Thune. I will have said letter framed and hung in a place of honor in my office. DAMN THIS FEELS GOOD!
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Does Harry Reid really want this job? If he's as big an ahole as Daschle was, he should just paint a bullseye on his forehead and wear a sign that says "Defeat Me Next." For the country's sake I hope he doesn't.
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Harry Reid is not the manipulator that Daschle was. He is much more of a straight shooter. The Dems would be smart to choose him and not to pressure him to go partisen.
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Not having big bucks, I only send Thune $25. But it was money well spent. :)
I lived as a child for a few years in South Dakota, following this race and hearing about Rapid City again has brought back good memories, especially the ending.
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Congratulations Dave D. and fellow opposers of "Puff Daschle"...up in smoke.
Don't forget to write to Daschle to tell him how you really feel.
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I was hearing as early as of 8:30pm CST last night that Harry Reid had the votes to be Minority Leader sewn up. Win or lose, Daschle was DONE in the leadership position. It happened to be LOSE, as it turned out. And thank God for it.
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The $64k question in the Senate now is, "Who is going to step in as the minority leader?" Heir apparent Harry Reid? The Hildebeast as a prelude to her '08 run? One of the Dems' rare sane moderates? Someone from the Boxer/Pelosi liberal intelligensia?
#13
Harry Reid is a fairly conservative Democrat (at least when you compare him to somebody like Pelosi) with a reputation for honesty. Folks, I think we just pushed the Donks to the right! Bravo!
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I just happened to be on CNN last night when it became appearant that Daschle was losing/had lost! You should've seen Larry King's face. Wolf Blitzer mentioned something about for the sake of his finances and local taxes, Daschle had to apply for a homestead exemption in D.C. and how "back in S.D., that's called 'going Washington' and doesn't play well with your constituents there if you move to Washington and not come home as often." Larry King said Well, doesn't everyone do that here in D.C. to which Wolf answered, Why yes, but it really doesn't play well back in the Dakotas. NO mention of his stalling judicial appointments and how the "home folk" could've voted based upon that! No, nothing to see here, keep moving folks! Amazing, even as hesitant as they were to not call States until it was all but over, they still had to get pot shots in on the "home folks."
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Hildebeeste will NOT take a political leadership position because those woudl push her into recorded votes and position statements that coudl hurt her 2008 campaign.
She will stay up for the less politically risky comitte memberships, and probably vote left but talk center-right. She's clever that way.
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Well BA, that's all subsidized milk under the bridge. I'm certain Senator Daschle will be heading back home, I can just feel his yearning for the plains.
#18
Hillary has actually done a very smart thing. Her big push as a Senator has been for more funding for first responders, and she's been reasonably hawkish on the war. This aligns her with the FDNY and the "liberalhawk" faction--in other words, it positions her as a relatively normal person.
If she's doing it out of genuine conviction, good on her; if out of cold calculation, give her credit for brains at least.
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Ship, that may be the very reason he bought the house there in D.C....he saw the writing on the wall and didn't want to go "back home."
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That 5 or 6 grand he saved in DC property taxes cost him his Senate seat...
51% v 49%. Sweet. Can't wait to read the Guardian's gracious admission of defeat. Will they encourage their readers to write letters of apology? (Via Tim Blair)
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I'm still looking for official confirmations of the overall result (until I see that, I still have butterflies in my stomach).
Someone at work was talking about the election, and asked me what I thought. I said 'Bush', the reply was immediate 'why?' and my reply was just as immediate 'I want this war over in my lifetime'.
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I don't think you need worry, Tony; it's over, and there's nothing to be done but for Kerry to summon what small reserves of "class" he possesses and concede so he doesn't become another Al Gore.
The Anglosphere dodged a bullet yesterday. Let us rejoice.
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V amusing.. for once I'll be buying The Grauniad tomorrow!!
#5
Kerry (and his wife) have proven time and time again that money doesn't equal class. It's over but Kerry won't admit until the lawyers tell him so. Therayza will NEVER admit the Bushes bested them in a popularity contest. Relax Tony this is all over except the whining. Which reminds me that you have to peep in on DU, they are all about to drink tainted koolaid or March on Ohio (they are not sure what to do).
#7
Howard won, Bush won, if Blair wins then the MSM meme that hard decisions are political suicide will be well and truly dead, at least in the Anglosphere. Historic indeed!
#9
I personally thank OBL for giving Bush the extra bump to make sure he won down the home straight , also sealing his own grave .. Nice one OBL , now prepare to die a miserable swine infested death within the next month or two :)
#10
D'Oh! I think I missed a great opportunity to keep quiet. I knew I shouldn't have listened to Bob. That stupid mofo's gonna get a right Fisking next time I see him.
#11
What I dont' get is the provisional ballot 10 days dodge. Count the total number of provisional ballots, if the number is not equal or greater to Bush's victory in Ohio it's over. If the number is greater or equal find out how many of those votes went for Kerry. If that numer is not graeter or equal to Bush's victory in Ohio it's over. If that number still is greater than you go into judging the legality of each ballot.
2 out of 3 scenerios say it should be over by today if someone has any brains. The 3rd scenerio could get ugly.
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I like it, Fred, make it the site banner for today!
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I'll wait till it's official Cyber Sarge!, and there's no way I'm looking into DU today - the snippets I've seen copied in at LGF are enough to make me stay *well* away...
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DU today is like a 55 gallong drum half-full of rabid weasels. They are lashing out at anything and everything, mindlessly but viciously.
Its ugly - they are rising to levels of conspiritorial insanity that makes the the first place ever seen on the internet suffering simultaneously from mass psychoses and mass delusion, at least outside of the Arab world.
#16
Your right Tony it's not 'official' but I suspect that by noon today (PST) Kerry will face reality and concede. Like I said yesterday he will tease 'dirty tricks' and 'voter surpression' for reasons of his HUGE loss. BTW Bush got more votes that ANY president in history, and we retired Daschele. These are not small victories, these are HUGE!
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Tony - nearest pub? Great minds, indeed - me too! I suspect Howard's swinging a tankard about now. Shep, McNails? There'll be a few toasts to Uncle Sam in the UK tonight.
raptor - Being chuffed is most definitely a good thing.
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From the Sun Prairie (WI) STAR, 11/03/04 (excerpts)
Apologies to Letterman: Top ten reasons you know the elections are over
9. Instead of annoying election commercials, TV airwaves have more annoying new medication ads
7. No more anchorment using the words "Battleground States"
3. Theresa Heinz Kerry just bought new shoes because the old ones tasted stale from putting her feet in her mouth.
1. Hillary CLinton announced her candidacy for president in 2008
Being in a "Battleground State" means we had more toxic commercials than the rest of the country. I only watched tv at the atletic club, with the sound off; even so, you could smell the nastiness.
I know for a FACT there was FRAUD involving 'provisional ballots' by out-of-states registered Dem voters demanding to 'vote'.
Lawyers, election-rights activists and computer scientists fearing mayhem at the polls descended on Florida, Ohio and other battleground states Tuesday, vigilant for trouble with such contentious matters as provisional ballots and electronic voting machines. New rules, new voters and a tight presidential contest combined to create "a recipe for problems" and the likelihood that results won't be known for weeks, said Sean Greene, who was assigned to watch Cleveland polls for the Election Reform Information Project, a nonpartisan research group on election reform. Millions of newly registered voters may wrongly assume they can vote at any precinct in their city, town or county. State officials and courts have disagreed on whether provisional ballots are valid when a voter is at the wrong precinct.
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That gives W 269 EV, meaning the worst possible outcome is a tie. A tie would be resolved in the House of Representatives, voting state by state. Republicans control more state delegations, so a tie equals a Bush win.
Looks like the Kerrys will not pull an AlGore and try to tie the results up in litigation. (Sorry, Murat!)
We here in Ohio are proud to have done our part.
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Looks like New Mexico will be going for Bush so far. This would push it over the magic number to win.
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The dems are going to contest Ohio through legal means, and drag it out at least two weeks. They will fail, and then it's game over, Bush wins.
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call me a hopeless optimist, but i'm betting that kerry will show some real class and courage and spare the nation the agony that gore put us through. this time around, there's a war on. kerry has no prayer of winning. h can at least return to teh senate with some dignity and a sense that he's atoned, big time, for thirty years of dreadful non-service, capped by one of the worst campaigns since dukakis's.
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Interesting lex....the only reason I can think sKerry might show some class is that he hasn't given up his seat. I can't for the life of me think of the DNC and the rest of those Keystone Cops showing any class of their own initiative. The look on Carville's face tonight was priceless!
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Old Spook: Jeebus, don't these savages ever give up? They're rippin' this country apart and just don't give a frick. They're only diggin' their grave deeper.
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unbelievable... they're down by 125,000 votes with only another 250,000 left to count in OH. They know that only legal chicanery can possibly reverse that margin.
On top of this, Bush is clearly going to win the popular vote by a margin of about 3 million, or six times the margin that Gore won the popular vote by in 2000. There's simply no excuse for games this time around. Shameful.
Show some dignity, or at least some respect for all of us. Do the right thing, John. There's a war on, remember?
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Ok Bush has led the Republicans to extend their lead in the Senate and the House and won the Popular Vote and, unless Kennedy, Kerry & Edwards with their 1 zillion lawyers can steal it the Electoral vote....
Have proven themselves to be the party of Sore Loosers and crybabys.
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Breck Boy the trial lawyer is a lost cause. Perhaps Kerry will show us that he truly is the deeply serious man he passes himself off as, and do the right thing.
John K, you will almost certainly not gain the White House if you drown this election in lawsuits. But if you refrain from doing so, you will gain a place in American history, and a place in all our hearts. If you're the noble old soldier you claim to be, then do the right thing, make this sacrifice to your pride, and heal the nation's wounds.
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The DNC is completely lacking in honor. They will sue and lose big.
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Bush Wins!
The radical neo-socialist-Dems do not seem to be handling yet another lose of mammoth proportions to their hidden true goals too well, in the early morning hours of Wednesday.
Stop the delay tactics and issue the inevitable concession speech...now!
Oh, yes, those on the Cali far-Left stating they would move to Canada if Bush won, well, PINKOS, PACK YOUR BAGS!
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Good work Mark. I too look forward to the Cali - moonbat exodus. 'bout time.
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Canada won't have them unless thay have a job skill needed in Canada and LOTS of money.
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The silence from the MSM is deafening, but this is a historic win for the Republicans and GWB. I was convinced GW would win until about 24 hours ago when the media panicked me.
Again historic! The media will never again have the capacity to 'steal' the election the way they tried thi stime. In 4 years, they will just be another spin/opinion amoungst many.
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I went to bed at Midnight and woke up at 4:30 to check the final final results. Funny that they (LLL MSM) won't call the election for Bush. But you have to understand that they how so much invested in his defeat they can't fathom him winning. NO way Kerry can make up the deficit in Ohio and NM and yet they can't make the call. You can bet that if Kerry had a 150k+ lead in Ohio that state would be in the Kerry column. But this is why I too today off. So i can't spend the day surfing and listening to the radio. Bush won, even it CNN/ABC/NBC/CBS fail to see it.
President Bush defeated John Kerry in Florida on Tuesday, staking a claim to the nation's top battleground state four years after it was the epicenter of a turbulent postelection drama. With 7,040 of 7,241 precincts reporting, Bush had 3,596,069 votes, or 52 percent, and Kerry, the Democratic nominee, had 3,270,250 votes, or 47 percent. Independent candidate Ralph Nader had 30,275 votes, or about 0.4 percent. Bush and Kerry's campaigns had prepared for the possibility of a Florida deja vu on an Election Day long anticipated here since Bush defeated Democrat Al Gore by a mere 537 votes in 2000. The election was finally resolved 36 days later by a U.S. Supreme Court ruling.
And they say generals always fight the last war...
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If he can hold onto Ohio this race is over! Crossing fingers, toes, and eyes.
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I was all geared up to watch either CNN or CBS implode but so far they have kept their composure. I suppose I will have to settle for the win and forget about the gravy.
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Kerry will still lawyer up in OH if it's close.
But, as in 1864, it looks like America reelected a leader in wartime despite setbacks both real and perceived. Our enemies should take notice. This is a powerful mandate.
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The lesson for Dems is crystal clear: nominate a hawkish liberal, and you've got a better-than-even shot at winning the white house. Nominate a McGovernite joker and make Mikey Boy your belle o da ball, and you're toast.
Rove's evangelicals will always--always-- trump the non-existent youth/afr-amer mass turnout. Dems, repeat after me: lefty kids do not vote. poor african-american bush-haters do not vote.
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Update: Bush still has a lead of just over 100,000 votes in Ohio with 92% counted. I don't consider that state over yet. (New Mexico looks more over than Ohio, IMO)
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It's not over yet by a long chalk. Ohio will end with kerry roughly behind; there are 150,000 provisional ballots to count. Bearing in mind that the vast number of these will probably be democratic the state is still wide open. Kerry will take hawaii, Min, Wis and possibly Nevada and iowa. Theres still a very good chance Kerry will take the crown.
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NM is definitely over. Bush up by five percent, with ninety-six percent of the vote in.
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Bush will take Iowa as well. Only judges and lawyers can save Kerry at this point. Let's hope he has more class and courage than Gore did four years ago. Time to concede, John.
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lex - gotta say your prognostications are pretty much on the mark. A big hats off there, and to all the RB folk. All along it's been a tough road. We're not done, but we are nearing the end of this very tough fight. This is one chapter. After this, we move to clean house on the Old Media for their monstrous betrayel of the trust of the American people. We must continue to expose Kerry for the Manchurian candidate he truly was. The Dhimmicrats need to embark on a 4 year anal exam in order to right their boat. Right now, the Republicans carry this country. I'm both thankful, and watchful. I'm a firm believer in the tradition of the loyal opposition.
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What I'm left to wonder is "What is AP waiting for in calling NM for Bush?"
Oh and an update to my previous Ohio update: the lead in Ohio has increased to nearly 125,000. Cayahoga county is DONE (finally). Hamilton County is still being counted, where Bush has had a consistent 5-6 point lead all night.
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they're down by 125,000 votes with only another 250,000 left to count in OH. They know that only legal chicanery can possibly reverse that margin.
On top of this, Bush is clearly going to win the popular vote by a margin of about 3 million, or six times the margin that Gore won the popular vote by in 2000. There's simply no excuse for games this time around.
All we can hope for is that Kerry, who still has a senate seat to return to, will find it in him to show some dignity, or at least some respect for all of us and for our process. The breck boy trial lawyer OTOH is a lost cause. Do the right thing, John K. There's a war on, remember?
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Go Georgey-boy! The BBC started last night euphoric with the strong Kerry show early doors. This has now subsided to plaintive sobriety. Ha ha! F*ck 'em..
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Howard I just came from the BBC website. They are hoplessly behind on the electorial vote count. The BBC have your say on the election was full of bleating and moaning about how horible and NAZI the US is because Bush was winning.
The Question has to be now do we need friends like Europe anymore? The UK and Italy are the only major counrties in the EU that are even remotely supportive. The anti-US propaganda the EU press puts out will have that little support fall away soon as they can manage. US citizens are caricatured as ignorant uncultured and NAZI. Do we need friends like that? I am not up for tolerating it much longer.
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The final tally will be:
Bush 286 EV, Kerry 252 EV
(IA, NM, OH to Bush, WI to Kerry)
Bush +3.75 million votes
Now back to bed.
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Heck I'm no foreign policy pundit unlike some - but I wouldn't be surprised if this administration shifted America away from leftist Europe. Good luck to you - I think we've all learned a lot post 9/11.
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Heh. Did you see the smug French woman on Newsnight last night (the one who called us 'rosbifs' and US lackeys when 'cheese-eating surrender monkeys' got tossed into the conversation by Dimbleby)?, Howard? She was fully anticipating a humble Kerry coming cap-in-hand to his Franco-German betters early next year, because they're just, well, so morally superior. They'll still be waiting in four years, I expect, but the rest of the world will have left them even further behind.
This morning, the earth's still turning, the Beeb's still spinning. Heard one reporter actually saying words to the effect of 'if Kerry had won, this would have been seen as a referendum on Bush's aggressive/unilateral/whatever leadership'. Apparently that's only the case if Bush lost. Don't know what it is if Bush wins, but definitely not a referendum, apparently. Something else. No one at the Beeb I've heard has suggested that the Dems lost the race because their candidate was pathetic.
Big media lost despite 'all they have tried to do'. Was the web instrumental in turning MSM propaganda just enough to ensure a Bush popular vote?
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Well, if the EU media does not like it, they can always move to Vancouver, heh heh.
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I'm not going to get cocky. In 20 years in the Senate, Kerry had passed no meaningful legislation. His entire chain of command stated he was "unfit" for command and it's becoming clear that he was dihonorably discharged and committed acts of 'treason'.
If the Dems had put up a real candidate, Bush would have lost. What this election showed us was that the Democratic Party is diseased. It exposed the MSM as a lying, propaganda machine. Neither of these two groups will recover from the damage they inflicted on themselves.
I'm shocked that the American people were willing to throw so much support behind such a flawed candidate.
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If the Dems had put up a decent war-time candidate, 2b, the fight would have been on domestic issues, and it wouldn't really have mattered who won -- because the WoT would have been continued the way Bush started it. But because they couldn't -- the Dems as a party haven't yet grasped that this war is not of our choosing -- they put up a pseudo-warrior. Kerry was the left/liberal Dems best shot at fooling the rest of us, and he flopped. God willing, the core of the party will return to the real world, and give the country the functional loyal opposition our system needs to work most effectively.
As for the MSM, according to Drudge their market share continues dropping steadily, as the blogs' share of eyeballs continues to grow. My 14-year old explained to her daddy last night all about Dan Rather's little schemes, and how ABCNBCCBS are Kerry-loving weasels who slant the news as much as possible. It may well take the media a generation to recover their reputation -- if they work really, really hard to be worthy.
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I just heard on the radio that there MIGHT be 110k prov ballots out there. Not all of those will be deemed a 'real' vote. Even if they ALL go Kerry's way he still would not win Ohio. The best Kerry can do is delay it in courts, but the fat lady is singing in my ear this morning.
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trailing wife..the MSM is of the 20th Century - it's done. It's heartening to know that the children paying attention are watching and learning.
Parent's who trumpeted the "selected not elected" in 2000 - will confuse, and eventually disappoint their children when/if they reverse course and get shrill about how unimportant the popular vote suddenly is now.
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1. the dems have not won since 1960 without a Southerner on the top of the ticket. Time to think about that.
2. For years, when moderates said to run a centrist, since you pull the leftists anyway, the response was that running centrists depressed base turnout and running a more clear ideological choice would increase turnout. 2004 has confirmed what should have been clear from state and local races - running a clearer choice increases your base turnout, but it also increases the other guys.
3. Youve got to run FOR something, not just against something.
4. Its VERY hard to get elected Pres. from the US Senate. Even when foreign policy issues are central.
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LH Re the southerners, consider whom they were: LBJ, Jimmah and Clinton. All controversial and elected more due to Republican weakness than Democrat strength; Goldwater, Watergate and Perot.
The swing section of the country is now the uper midwest. The Dems have some good governors here, Vilsak (sp?) from Iowa jumps out, but there are others they should consider also. If they go for Hilary, they face 8 more years in the wilderness.
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The only decent governor the Dems have is the one from Michigan, and she's a Canuck. Oh well, maybe Hillary will continue to move rightward on defense issues and be positioned as that elusive bird, the liberal hawk, in 2008.
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lex - count on it...Nanny state with a strong military....(strong enough to confiscate all those nasty weapons the little people have)
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All controversial and elected more due to Republican weakness than Democrat strength; Goldwater, Watergate and Perot.
So - if Dubya had lost that could be attributed to GOP weakness as well - you dont want me to start now, do ya? Suffice it to say Kerry couldnt take advantage of what should have been a major opportunity.
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Lex, i dont know about Hillary. She may be just hawkish enough to make getting the nomination hard, but she still grates on red state cultural conservatives. Look at the last nights map. She concedes 90% of the states Bush won, right off the bat. Will hawkishness pull Florida and Ohio? With a Nader or someone like him pulling votes from the left? Nah, i think you need someone with more pull to the cultural right. Lieberman would have been the right idea IF he had been a better campaigner. And the Iraq war had been going better in the primary season. And the WOT hadnt made being Jewish virtually a disqualifier. I like Ed Rendell, but he think hes out for the last reason. Maybe Bob Graham. I dont know. Maybe someone else will emerge.
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I think Liberman, or any moderate, would have beat Bush. I don't agree that his being Jewish was a disqualifier. Kerry's grandparents were Jewish and it was never an issue. Kerry was a deeply flawed candidate; Just like with Gore, the Dems are going to look back and realize they really dodged a bullet on this one.
Republicans renewed their grip on the Senate Tuesday night and reached out for more, capturing a string of Democratic seats across the South. Democratic leader Tom Daschle faced a strong challenge in South Dakota. Democratic State Sen. Barack Obama, a political star in the making, easily captured a seat formerly in Republican hands in Illinois, and will be the only black among 100 senators when the new Congress convenes in January. "I am fired up," he told cheering supporters in Illinois.
But Republicans did most of the celebrating in the Senate as well as the House, where they marched steadily toward renewed control. Rep. Johnny Isakson claimed Georgia for the Republicans, and Rep. Jim DeMint took South Carolina. Rep. Richard Burr soon followed suit in North Carolina. In each case, Democratic retirements induced ambitious lawmakers to give up safe House seats to risk a run for the Senate. GOP candidates mounted strong challenges in two more southern states where Democrats stepped down. In Florida, former HUD Secretary Mel Martinez held a narrow lead over Betty Castor, a former state legislator, with votes counted in more than 90 percent of the precincts. In Louisiana, Republican Rep. David Vitter led several Democratic rivals comfortably with more than 90 percent of the precincts counted, and flirted with an outright majority that would allow him to avoid a Dec. 4 runoff.
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As Homer Simpson would say, "Woo Hoo!"
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Damn double-post. Please fix... ::blush::
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I am sitting here looking at my thank you letter from John Thune for sending him a contibution. Man that was money well spent! Can't see Daschle making up the votes now and I am LOVING IT! I am glad that we have flushed that turd out of the Senate!
#4
Obama deserved it. He's a sensible guy for a liberal Dem. I voted for him right after voting for Bush. Keyes is a nut-case.
I'm really happy that the GOP padded the Senate margin. It should make the game-playing by the Dems (and their new minority leader, heh) less palatable, since they'll lose more often. I think Bush can get most of his judicial picks through in the next two years, as long as he doesn't antagonize the farm-state Dems.
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With 87% counted in SDak, John Thune has an almost 7000 vote lead. Daschle underperformed in Minnehaha county, a place he needed to win HUGE. (Hat tip: Daschle v. Thune)
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You have to check out the fever swamp at DU. They are mobilizing to march on Ohio. I am hoping for a big snow storm that will remove them from the gene pool.
#7
yeah, yeah. where were these idiots' comrades when the polls were open? They promised, as always, a MASSIVE turnout from lefty kids and impoverished african-americans. As usual, these two groups were no-shows. Voting requires a bit more effort than posting rants on a chatboard or firing up a bowl, dudes.
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i'll bet a paycheck that rove registered, and turned out, twice as many conservative evangelicals as dems did urban african-american new registrants
#10
If Bush is finally declared the winner, all is not wine and roses. I have a serious bone to pick with President Bush and the Republicans for not patching up our southern border and dealing with the waves of illegal aliens. If we do not deal with this issue, we will lose the country on the installment plan by demographics. I am not kidding. I am going to start with our Alaska congressional delegation. They need some pointed letters. Anyone else?
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Word AP. When we've got Chechens crossing that border in strength, we're still peein' into the wind. Time to turn up the heat. Any word on how Tancredo is doin'?
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I don't know about Tancredo, but he is a voice in the wilderness and he really deserves our support.
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Disgruntled Democrats seeking a safe Canadian haven after President Bush won Tuesday's election should not pack their bags just yet. Canadian officials made clear on Wednesday that any U.S. citizens so fed up with Bush that they want to make a fresh start up north would have to stand in line like any other would-be immigrants -- a wait that can take up to a year. "You just can't come into Canada and say 'I'm going to stay here'. In other words, there has to be an application. There has to be a reason why the person is coming to Canada," said immigration ministry spokeswoman Maria Iadinardi. There are anywhere from 600,000 to a million Americans living in Canada, a country that leans more to the left than the United States and has traditionally favored the Democrats over the Republicans. But recent statistics show a gradual decline in U.S. citizens coming to work in Canada, which has a creaking publicly funded healthcare system and relatively high levels of personal taxation. Reuters: masters of understatement
Government officials, real estate brokers and Democrat activists said that while some Americans might talk about a move to Canada rather than living with a new Bush administration, they did not expect a mass influx. "It's one thing to say 'I'm leaving for Canada' and quite another to actually find a job here and wonder about where you're going to live and where the children are going to go to school," said one government official. You mean even Canada doesn't need more whiners?
I'm sorry. I can't help myself. I'm going to spend the rest of the day gloating.
#1
Itâs one thing to say âIâm leaving for Canadaâ and quite another to actually find a job here and wonder about where youâre going to live and where the children are going to go to school
eh? Why do I have to do all that? Isn't that the job of the Glorious Socialist Peoples Collective party leaders?
#3
Find a job? Huh? You gotta be kidding me. I hate Bush, hate America, hate Israel - that's enough to get jihadis in... so what's with the frickin' double standard?
Oh, I get it. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge... I'll work for a "fundraising" organization, heh. Cool.
#6
Rooters didn't mention that Canada actively discourages Americans from coming to Canada to work. I assume they don't want Yankee wetbacks stealing Canadian jobs. I've been turned back at the border more than once.
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#11
Here is one Canadian (and on mild, but damp, Vancouver Island no less) who is willing to direct exchange one Canadian citizenship plus job for US citizenship. Think I should put this on Ebay?
#12
Debbie - That would be a wild ride on eBay!!! Killer idea! It would last about 15 minutes before they quashed your offer, but you might get picked up by the news services for it. Lol! Waay funny. *kudos*
If you do it, post a link to it here and we'll pass it along to Fox - Brit would laugh his ass off!
#14
Post an appropriate photograph and you might catch a husband. Lot's of Russian girls seem to be trying it.
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#15
Debbie:
Speaking for myself, we're always looking for a few good, hard-working immigrants. To quote Prof. Peter Schramm, who came here from Hungary in 1956:
When I asked my father why we were going to the U.S., he said "Because we were born Americans, but in the wrong place."
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#16
OK. I am on EBay. I am not an ebay regular so I signed up and everything. In the Everything Else, Weird Stuff, Slightly Unusual. Should show up today at 8:15 EST. Hope it works!
#19
Ha! I finally found it - and it's perfect. I emailed Brit at Fox News (special@foxnews.com) suggesting it as the "interesting" item of the day. Bravo, Debbie!
#24
"Itâs one thing to say âIâm leaving for Canadaâ and quite another to actually find a job here and wonder about where youâre going to live and where the children are going to go to school"
What makes this person think the DU'ers have jobs and children? The vast majority of marrieds with jobs, children, mortgages and a stake in society voted for Bush.
All but three Indian states have agreed to implement a value-added tax by April, India's finance minister said yesterday, raising the likelihood that India will be able to launch its most ambitious tax overhaul in more than a decade. After a meeting with state finance ministers, Finance Minister P. Chidambaram said 26 state governments have agreed to implement the tax. The three states that have yet to agree to the proposal will receive "technical assistance" from the government to enact such a tax, he said.
India's federal government has pushed the idea of a value-added tax to reduce tax evasion. States have been reluctant, fearing loss of revenue and the loss of power to determine local tax rates. Traders also have resisted, fearing paperwork and the need to pay tax up front and wait for refunds. Since 2001, the VAT has been delayed at least five times. The latest deadline for the introduction is April, when a uniform 12.5% VAT is set to replace the general sales tax, which varies from state to state, and a host of local levies. "The states may get more revenue than what they are getting now. That's my assumption," Mr. Chidambaram said.
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In what Gov. Jeb Bush interpreted as a positive comment on a smooth Election Day, filmmaker Michael Moore, in South Florida on the lookout for election problems, packed up his crew and headed to Ohio. The turnout for voting was being called "amazing" by some of those working at manning the polls in South Florida. Voters turned out in record numbers, with as many as 72 percent of Miami-Dade voters casting a ballot. That in addition to 91,000 who cast absentee ballots, and 244,000 who voted early. In Broward County, the number of people voting today is expected to exceed the 66 percent who voted in the 2000, perhaps by a large amount. In Broward County, 96,000 cast absentee ballots, while another 172,000 voted early. In some locations, there were still lines at polling places, but at most precincts the wait was less than a half an hour by noon, with some locations having no wait at all.
