Saudi security forces surrounded a Riyadh mosque and helicopters clattered overhead Friday amid calls by a London-based al-Qaeda mouthpiece Saudi dissident for demonstrations against the royal family, but worshippers dispersed peacefully after prayers. It was the second day that the security forces clamped down and that Saudis failed to respond in large numbers to the call for protests by Saad al-Fagih, head of the Movement for Islamic Reform in Arabia.
Think they're ignoring him? Or is it just that they don't want to get their turbans dented?
A day earlier, police chased away a few people who responded to the call to protest. There were reports of several people arrested, but the government has not confirmed the arrests and has not commented on the protests. During Friday prayers, security forces closed off roads around Qasr al-Hukum Mosque in downtown Riyadh, located next to the city government headquarters and a courtyard where criminals are beheaded.
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The number of British Muslims who say they experience discrimination has nearly doubled in the past four years, according to a survey published on Thursday. Some 80 percent of the country's 1.8 million Muslims say they have been discriminated against because of their faith compared to 45 percent in 2000 and 35 percent in 1999, the Islamic Human Rights Commission (IHRC) said. Muslim men are now just as likely as women to experience prejudice - a significant change which the IHRC blamed on an increase in the number of police and security checks carried out on Muslim men since the Sept. 11 attacks in 2001.
They are more likely to kill people than Muslim women, or Lutherans of either sex...
White British Muslims report more discrimination than any other ethnic group, suggesting Britons are intolerant of apostates who convert to Islam.
Perhaps because they see them as joining the other side? People are waking up, y'know. You can only fool some of the people all the time...
"What's happened, post 9/11, is that some very deeply rooted prejudices - things that weren't articulated in the public realm - have found expression," Arzu Merali, one of the authors of the report, told Reuters. Eight percent of the 1,200 Muslims questioned in the survey said they experienced some sort of discrimination every day. Another 8 percent said it was a weekly problem, 8 percent described it as monthly and 55 percent said they had been discriminated against "on some occasions".
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Survey the non-Muslims to see if they agree - surveying Muslims is a moronic idea - of course they'll seethe and lie their asses off - it's part and parcel of the indoctrination process in Islam.
What's the word, again, for lying to the stupid infidels to advance Islam?
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The IHRC - what a noble institution. They bang on relentlessly about Palestine, Gitmo, Iraq & domestic disrimination yet say nothing about women's rights/genital mutilation/honour killings. And the Beeb treat them as an authorative source. I falsely applied for a job there and mentioned that I was Jewish (I'm not) - did I get a reply? Did I fuck.
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"to advance Islam" means at the elimination of anything else, as verdicted by history and fully reinforced by the fierce demand of that Creed within its own 'scripture'. Who would welcome such a Barbarian subversion if they understand the full impact of that unthinkable implication?
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Not me, Wo, and certainly not my newly black belted daughters (yes, I admit it, I am inordinantly proud about what they achieved this week. I promise not to rave too much longer. Please forgive me, Fred, for wasting your bandwidth.)
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Well , when their religion stops being an arse and moves into the 21st century , then , I may give it some credibility , but as it stands I dont .
As regards the tripe Arzu Merali says âWhatâs happened, post 9/11, is that some very deeply rooted prejudices - things that werenât articulated in the public realm - have found expression,â
It aint us who have the very deeply rooted prejudices you fucking moron ...
Speaking for myself, I'm no more prejudice today then I was on September 12, 2001. My prejudice hasn't increased. It remains constant.
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This so-called intolerance is perceived because they are not viewing it in the proper context. Middle Easterners should not try to judge us by their standards. It's all in my forthcoming book, "Occidentalism".
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The greatest current idiocy was that Blunkett attempt at odious appeasement by proposing British laws that protect Bigotry from criticism. No wonder he had to resign though for somewhat the wrong reason.
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Does it ever end for these poor damn victimized, persecuted, misunderstood Muslims? Thank Allah, organizations like the Islamic Human Rights Commission are around to whine on their behalf.
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The fat bastard at the fish and chips shop called me the son of a lying dog! He told me that I should take my Paki ass out of his shop and leave his country. All of this because I told him that his chips were soggy and his fish overpriced. Oh, and my son tried to walk out without paying last month. It is intolerable I tell you. This man is full of hate and clearly despises me because of am a faithful Muslim. I must complain to the IHRC!
Three Irishmen convicted of training Marxist rebels in Colombia have fled the country, its Attorney General Luis Camilo Osorio told Reuters news agency. An appeal court on Thursday overturned earlier acquittals of Niall Connolly, Martin McCauley and James Monaghan and sentenced them to 17 years in jail. But the men had vanished while on bail and a nationwide hunt was launched following the appeal court decision. Mr Osorio said the authorities would try to establish where they had gone. "We know they left the country, but we will try to find out what country has received them in order to see that justice is done," he said. Interpol has been called in as the hunt for the men intensifies, it has been reported.
Irish Foreign Minister Dermot Ahern earlier said that the appeal court decision had come as a surprise. "My initial reaction is surprise at the overturning of the verdict, given the complete exoneration in the lower court, and secondly, the severity of the sentence," he said. He added that Irish officials would contact the Colombian authorities about the case. The men, who had been accused of being IRA members, were found guilty in the April trial of travelling on false passports. They were acquitted of training Farc guerrillas, but the Colombian attorney general has now successfully appealed against that decision. A judge had ordered the men to remain in the country pending the appeal.
Sinn Fein assembly member Caitriona Ruane said she did not trust the claim by the Colombian authorities that the trio had left the country. Ms Ruane, who has long campaigned for the men's release, said she had no idea of they were but she intended to go to Colombia within days. "The last time I saw them was the night we took them out of jail in June," she said. Party President Gerry Adams has said the verdict was "outrageous" and a "grievous miscarriage of justice". However, hardline unionists said the affair proved Sinn Fein was "not fit" to share power in Northern Ireland. Ulster Unionist South Antrim MP David Burnside said: "It's time we accepted the proof that republican Sinn Fein leadership still have a terrorist threat, still are involved in widespread criminality throughout the whole of Ireland, have links with international terrorist organisations. "They are not fit to be in the government of Northern Ireland. It's time we moved on." DUP assembly member Ian Paisley Jr said the "decision has far wider ramifications than what's happening in the judicial system in Colombia". McCauley, 41, is from Lurgan in County Armagh, Monaghan, 58, is from County Donegal and Connolly, 38, is from Dublin. The three had been detained at Bogota's El Dorado airport in August 2001 as they were about to board a flight out of the country. Their arrest led to speculation that Irish republicans had formed links with the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (Farc). The main charge against them was that they had been teaching the rebels urban terrorism techniques. The Irishmen strenuously denied this, saying they were in the area to monitor the fledgling peace process as well as being eco-tourists.
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A magistrate has ruled that portions of notes taken by Australian Federal Police (AFP) should not be disclosed to lawyers for a Sydney man facing terrorism-related charges.
The Federal Government requested Faheem Lodhi's legal team be stopped from having access to the material on grounds of national security. Arif Naharudin has been held without charge in a prison in Singapore since October 2002 and is expected to testify at Lodhi's committal hearing.
Sydney's Central Local Court has heard that the AFP interviewed him in May. A lawyer for the Federal Government has argued that some of the notes officers took during the interview should not be disclosed to the defence, neither in open nor closed court.
Lodhi's barrister said the reason why the notes prejudiced national security was not known. He suggested that the request was based on Australia's desire to maintain a friendly relationship with Singapore.
The magistrate upheld the request.
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Indonesian police said Friday they had found two separate collections of bombs as they imposed a major alert following foreign warnings of an impending terror strike. The discovery came as police were being deployed across Indonesia in a huge security operation after Australia said terrorists may be plotting to strike in the run up to Christmas, specifically naming the Hilton hotel chain. Britain and the United States have also warned that their citizens in Indonesia over Christmas and the New Year faced a "heightened risk" of attack. New Zealand has cautioned against non-essential travel to the country.
National police chief Da'i Bachtiar told reporters that nine tubes of explosives were found Friday on a bus in West Java, a heavily-populated area thought to be a major recruiting ground for Islamic extremists. "These are home-made bombs. We are trying to find out who carried them," Bachtiar said. News reports also said police in Riau province on Sumatra island on Wednesday had found four similar suspected bombs and literature on the Jemaah Islamiyah regional extremist group. Jemaah Islamiyah is blamed for the October 2002 Bali bombings in which 202 people, including 88 Australians, were killed; an attack on the Jakarta Marriott hotel last year which killed 12; and the Australian embassy bombing. Two men accused of key roles in the attacks, Malaysians Azahari Husin and Noordin Mohammad Top, have eluded authorities for the past two years and police say they remain dangerous as they try to recruit followers for further attacks. Bachtiar said information from Islamic militants held for the Australian embassy bombing, in which 11 people died, indicated that a new strike could be timed to coincide with major holidays such as Christmas and the New Year. The police chief said security had been boosted at churches, shopping malls and hotels in the run-up to the festive season, with three quarters of the police force's 250,000 personnel on standby.
Indonesian police seized a cache of bombs on a bus Friday, days after foreign governments warned that terrorists were preparing to launch fresh attacks in the country, the police chief said. Police arrested 15 passengers, including the driver of the public bus, which was stopped in the West Javanese town of Bandung. Three of the those detained were being questioned "intensively," said West Java detective chief Col. Ahmad Abdi.
"Ooch! Ouch! I dunno! I swear! Somebody left 'em there!"
"Mahmoud! The pliers, please!"
"There were two big bombs and seven small bombs," police chief Gen. Da'i Bachtiar told reporters after a Cabinet meeting. He gave no more details. Media reports described the bombs as primitive homemade devices. It appeared they were being transported in the bus and were not primed to go off. Earlier, Abdi said the find consisted of detonators and electrical wires in a box. The seizure, about 75 miles southeast of Jakarta, occurred after an anonymous tip, Abdi said.
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Norway shut its embassy in Colombo on Thursday after receiving a letter containing an unidentified white powder, but officials said a string of previous such scares had proved harmless. "We have received some white power, so we've closed the embassy for today," an embassy spokeswoman said. "We do not know yet what it is," she added, saying tests were being conducted. "There are lots of (scares), so this is not the first time."
And I doubt greatly that it's anything. Anthrax isn't going to come up again for awhile...
The scare came as Norway's special peace envoy Erik Solheim was wrapping up his latest bid to jumpstart talks to seal permanent peace between Tamil Tiger rebels and the government after two decades of civil war. The hardline, Sinhalese nationalist coalition partner of President Chandrika Kumaratunga's government has protested vocally against Norway's mediation in Sri Lanka's peace process in recent months, and even wrote to Norway demanding it bow out. Canada closed down its mission in October when insect powder a visiting Buddhist monk had sprayed on his passport to ward off moths triggered an anthrax scare. The United States embassy in Colombo was shut briefly in August by an anthrax scare after it received a letter containing a suspicious powder, but tests proved negative.
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United States diplomats in Baghdad say they are working to free an American hostage seized in the Iraqi capital seven weeks ago, saying they believed the man, whom they named as Roy Hallums, was still alive. "We believe he's alive. We're working on that assumption," an embassy spokesman said, for the first time confirming the name of the American snatched in a raid on the premises of a Saudi-owned catering company on November 1. Gunmen took Mr Hallums, along with a Filipino, a Nepali and three Iraqis after they stormed a villa belonging to the Riyadh-based Saudi Arabian Trading and Contracting Company. The four others were quickly released but Mr Hallums and Filipino Roberto Tarongoy are still being apparently held, the Philippines Government says, for ransom.
Philippine officials said last month that ransoms totalling about $US20 million were demanded for Mr Tarongoy and the American. Several Americans have been among dozens of foreigners and thousands of Iraqis to fall prey to kidnappers since the US invasion of Iraq last year. Some have been killed by insurgents demanding US troops leave, while many other kidnappings appear to have financial motives.
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AN attack on Australian troops who are housed in Baghdad has left their building damaged but no troops hurt. Two rocket-propelled grenades were fired at the accommodation building of the Australian security attachment at 7.10am Baghdad time. One fell 50 metres wide, while the other hit the side of the Baghdad building. An Australian Defence Department spokeswoman said as far as they were aware, no-one was hurt. "We don't have details on whether they (the troops) were there or not," the spokeswoman told AAP. The 120 troops who stay in the building are from the 5/7 Royal Australian Regiment and the 2nd Cavalry Regiment, both based in Darwin. The same troops were attacked when a car bomb exploded in October, damaging three light armoured vehicles and injuring three soldiers. The attachment protects Australian diplomats and officials at the nearby Australian embassy. The spokeswoman said troop movements were a tactical secret but all possible measures were taken to keep troops safe. "Iraq is a dangerous place and our security attachment protects Australian diplomats and officials and we are continuing to monitor our force protection requirements to ensure that we are able to protect Australian troops in the safest possible way," the spokeswoman said. She said it was not clear whether Australian forces were targeted.
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The week long American offensive has led to the arrest of about three dozen terrorist suspects, and the killing of at least ten who resisted. Weapons, documents and communications equipment has been seized as well. The offensive has gotten the attention of both the Taliban and al Qaeda networks in Afghanistan, sending many terrorists running for new hiding places. The offensive mainly consists of hundreds of raids against suspected terrorist hideouts. It's Winter now, and men fleeing through mountain passes and valleys show up better to heat sensing vidcams. These devices are mounted on many UAVs that can constantly prowl the back country. Fugitives like to hide in the many caves found in Afghanistan's hills. But in the Winter, starting a fire in a cave just makes it easier for the heat sensors to spot you and bring a chopper full of American troops your way. The Taliban and al Qaeda know about the heat sensors, but they also know how to cope, to a point, with the Winter cold, out in the open and in caves. The Winter offensive is a bold move, and long planned. It will be several more weeks before it is known how successful it is. So far, the only friendly casualties have been four Afghan policemen killed by a roadside bomb.
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It will be several more weeks before it is known how successful it is.
sounds good so far..... the dreaded afghan winter⢠turned to work for us?
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The Taliban and al Qaeda know about the heat sensors, but they also know how to cope, to a point, with the Winter cold, out in the open and in caves.
heh. "Coping" ain't "enjoying". Have a nice long winter, jihadi a**holes.
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Warm up in your cave with a thermobaric heater, they're free!
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Don't worry about the campfires, boys. Body heat shows up just fine out in the open. Let's how long you can last with cold rations down in your holes.
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An Army trumpet player turned Green Beret was awarded yesterday with a Silver Star, the Army's third highest award for combat valor. Staff Sgt. Charles Good, of Altoona, Pa., was credited with exposing himself to enemy fire on the Syrian/Iraqi border to assist in getting a critically wounded comrade into a Humvee, then negotiating in Arabic a ride from an Iraqi man for them when the Humvee became crippled by enemy fire. The injured soldier, Sgt. First Class Joseph Briscoe, 37, of Liberty, Texas, whose right arm was blown off by a rocket-propelled grenade during the incident, was among those receiving a Bronze Star. The ceremony yesterday was dedicated to Staff Sgt. Aaron Holleyman, 26, the 5th Group Army medic who treated Briscoe at the base camp. Holleyman was killed Aug. 30 in Iraq when his vehicle was hit by a land mine.
Good joined the Army in 1989 as a trumpet player, and participated in the 1991 Gulf War. He made the switch to Special Forces 10 years into his career. "I really enjoyed my time in the band ... I just kind of tired of it. I just wanted to challenge myself," said Good, who is engaged and has a 10-year-old son. "I thought I could do this job. Or else I'd be asking myself the rest of my life if I could."
The 11 men who originally came under fire were members of the Special Operational Detachment Alpha 531. Their mission was to curtail foreign fighters who were infiltrating Iraq along the border in their assigned territory, and clear the area of insurgents. The Army provided the following account of what happened when their two-vehicle convoy drove into the hostile village of Sadah on Oct. 31, 2003:
The clash started when one vehicle was hit by a rocket propelled grenade that ricocheted off the roof of the vehicle. Eight members went after the assailants. At the same time, Good, Briscoe and a third soldier in a second vehicle provided security. It was then that Briscoe was hit. As Briscoe was loaded into the vehicle, Good provided cover fire. Because they had no radio communication, Good then drove the vehicle through small arms fire to tell the others they were going to the base camp. But before they could get there, the vehicle was disabled by small arms and machine gun fire. Good then negotiated with an Iraqi man in a dilapidated Toyota to drive them to the base camp. Good said he had been taught some Arabic during his training. Good said he was never worried that the Iraqi would hurt them. "We were still armed," Good said.
After dropping Briscoe off, Good returned to the fight with other comrades to assist those left behind. Those left, "fought in a street-by-street battle" and at times were outnumbered four to one, according to an Army chronology of events that day. The unit regrouped that night, then returned the next day to kill five more insurgents and capture 18 others, the Army said. Capt. David Diamond, 30, of Geneva, Ohio; Sgt. 1st Class Alan Knox, 44, of Reno, Nev.; Sgt. 1st Class Raymond Cook, 40, of Oak Hill, W.Va.; and Staff Sgt. Jason Bacon, 29, of Luther, Mich., were each among those who received Bronze Stars yesterday for valor during the incident.
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Pakistani authorities have announced a five million rupee ($83,000) reward for help in the arrest of a militant wanted for kidnapping two Chinese engineers. Ex-Guantanamo Bay detainee Abdullah Mehsud, 29, masterminded October's abduction in which one engineer died. The reward was announced after a meeting of military officials and Mehsud tribesmen in the South Waziristan region on Thursday. Pakistan began major operations against militants in the region in March. The reward announcement, made by the corps commander of North-West Frontier Province, Lt-Gen Safdar Hussain, coincided with Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz's official visit to China.
Where he was reminded again how large the Chinese army is
Speaking of Mehsud, a senior military officer told the Reuters news agency on Friday: "The man has committed heinous crimes and needs to be brought to justice. We want him dead or alive." The abduction was highly embarrassing for Pakistan as China is a close ally and has a large army large investor. Pakistan vowed to track down Mehsud after one of the two hostages, who were working on a dam project in South Waziristan, died in a rescue attempt by Pakistani forces. Five kidnappers were killed. Mehsud directed the kidnapping from another location.
As any important holy warrior does
Analysts said the kidnapping was an attempt to secure the release of al-Qaeda militants held during army operations in South Waziristan. The one-legged Mehsud has since resisted any offer to give himself up to the authorities and has eluded a huge manhunt. Mehsud was freed from Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, in March
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Great! Winter's coming, the Paki army's tracking me, I got one leg, a towel on my head, and Cheech and Chong watching my back. Thanks a lot, Allah!
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To the BBC these guys are heroic resistance fighters against the US and the vast Zionist plot. This is a group of persons who think Bader-Meinhof, Carlos the Jackal are heros. Of course they will use the word militants.
I hope they kill this bastard and don't bother trying to bring him in.
GAZA (Reuters) - A smuggling tunnel being dug by Palestinians on the Gaza-Egypt border collapsed on Friday and at least five people were trapped inside, witnesses in the Gaza frontier town of Rafah said. heh
Palestinian ambulances and rescue crews given clearance by Israeli forces rushed to the scene. Palestinian officials said earlier accounts that two men had been extracted from the tunnel were incorrect, citing poor communications in the area. communication nothing. they oughta worry more about their engineering.
"We are still digging, we cannot yet determine their fate," a security official said by telephone from Rafah. bet they'd trade those 72 virgins for one of those John Deere's about now -- the same John Deere's that ISM petitioned the company not to send to Israel
Militants have dug many tunnels from Egypt into Gaza to slip in arms but other tunnels have been used solely to smuggle contraband like cigarettes. It was unclear whether the tunnel that caved in had been burrowed by militants or traders. leave it to reuters to provide a hint of legitimacy somewhere in their copy.
The Israeli army maintains a security strip along Gaza's frontier with Egypt and has carried out numerous bloody raids into adjacent Rafah to root out suspected tunnels. But militants have kept digging them under the noses of troops. . . . and to make Israel out to be the bad guy
On Sunday, militants killed five soldiers by detonating 1,500 kg (3,310 pounds) of explosives in a tunnel burrowed under an army post in the corridor, a stretch of desert dunes. It was one of the most sophisticated attacks ever by Palestinian baby murderersterrorists militants against an Israeli military post near the volatile Rafah crossing to Egypt in the southern Gaza Strip. Another five soldiers were wounded in the attack, the deadliest against the Israeli army in seven months.
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The Pali's should've had Becthel build them like up here in Boston. They'd leak, but not collapse. Bit pricey though. Maybe they could cut back on Suha's pig payments to cover it?
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about time for that seawater diversion canal.....
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Israel should periodically bring in piling drivers and randomly pound the heck out of the area. Cheaper than a canal.
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Not pile drivers, but drilling rigs. Set up a pipeline to deliver sea water, then drill small probe holes and fire up the pumps when a shaft is discovered. Pump in enough water at sufficient pressure, and the tunnel outlets on either side can be found easily.
On Sunday, militants killed five soldiers by detonating 1,500 kg (3,310 pounds) of explosives in a tunnel burrowed under an army post in the corridor, a stretch of desert dunes. It was one of the most sophisticated attacks ever by Palestinian militants against an Israeli military post near the volatile Rafah crossing to Egypt in the southern Gaza Strip.
Sophisticated, yes, but not worth the effort expended, and not likely to be repeated.
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As the tunnel collapsed around them, their ferverent prayers for the intercession of St. Rachel Corrie, patron of weapons-smuggling tunnels, went unanswered.
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I guess you could use seawater, but to me the problem seems analagous to the gopher problem I used to have in my back yard. I say "used to have" because a couple of canisters of aluminum phosphide took care of the situation for good. And I don't see why that wouldn't work here, too.
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Drill a hole,then truck in all the feces from Israels shithouses and dump it on the Paleostonians.Wait,that would actually improvethe smell in the tunnel.
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phil b - I've worked with those, unfortunately the soils have to be saturated for the vibration to build up loss of cohesion and subsequent liquifaction, otherwise you're just looking for collapsing of shoddy tunnels via vibration, hence my canal comment [/Engineering geo-geek talk]
whatever works, I say....Underground tests of the Zionist nukes would do a better job, and scare the bejebus out of any thinking paleo/arab (however small that population may be)
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I say, deal with 'em like you deal with gophers. Shovel in some calcium carbide in the entrances. Add water to taste. Delay action fuse to light it off. Cover entrance of tunnel. End of Paleo gopher problem.***Boomph***
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A couple of problems with these various proposals, as seen from my semi-nontechnical perspective.
1. If you flood the tunnels with sea water, won't that salinize the soil, much like the Romans salting the fields of their conquered enemies, so that nothing would grow there? There isn't so much fertile growing area in that part of the world that you'd want to screw up what's there.
2. The Israelis have modern plumbing, so no outhouse extracts available for dumping in tunnels.
3. Using canisters of aluminum phosphide or calcium carbide plus water requires knowledge of the location of the tunnels. The problem is that the Israelis don't.
4. Frank, I suspect you are right about the fluidizing soil problem. The only region where the soil has ever been saturated is in the Galilee, which was swamp for about 1000 years -- post-Rome and pre-Jewish swamp-draining settlers in the early part of the 20th century.
I guess that leaves Tom's suggestion of randomly pounding the ground in the hope of collapsing the tunnels underneath. Or maybe using the machine archeologists use to see where the best buried cities are.
Sorry, guys. I'd be happy if you would tell me where I went wrong in my quick analysis of the solutions offered. I admit I'm just a semi-nontechnical but enthusiastic amateur, and would be happy to be shown the error of my ways by someone who actually knows what he's talking about. ;-)
INSURGENTS attacked a car in the northern Iraq city of Mosul today, killing three people who appeared to be foreigners and their Iraqi driver and cutting off the head of one of the victims, witnesses said. The white, American-made sedan was attacked by insurgents firing assault rifles as it drove through western Mosul, witnesses said. After the attack it was set on fire. A photographer for Reuters saw four bodies lying on the street close to the blazing vehicle, three of them apparently foreigners.
Witnesses said one of the men appeared to be Turkish and two others looked European. One of them had been beheaded. Two of the men looked to be in their 20s and 30s and were dressed in jeans and windbreaker tops. A fourth person, apparently an Arab, could be seen lying near the burning wreckage, his body partly consumed by flames.
Witnesses said one of the foreigners was briefly taken hostage by the insurgents. When he tried to flee they decapitated him, leaving the head lying in a pool of blood near his body on the street. A crowd quickly gathered around the bodies and the burning wreckage. The identities of the victims was not clear, but the witnesses said they were carrying small automatic weapons. The attackers seized the weapons before setting the car alight. Passports were also found on the victims, but they were thrown into the burning vehicle, the witnesses said. The US military could not immediately be reached for comment.
Mosul, in Iraq's far north near the Turkish border, has experienced a surge in violence since the middle of last month when groups of guerrillas overran a dozen police stations, looted them of weapons and then burned or blew them up.
There have been nearly daily attacks against US and Iraqi security forces in the city since then and US troops have stepped up operations to try to restore order. Since November 10, when the uprising began, more than 150 bodies have been found abandoned on the streets of the city, many of them members of the Iraqi National Guard and other security forces, but also many civilians. It is not clear who is behind the killings or what the motive is, though some appear to be due to ethnic tensions between Arabs and Kurds.
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American foreigners? Chechen foreigners? Libyans? Yemeni? Mongols?
A U.S. military spokesman said troops had recovered three male bodies in western Mosul at around 6 p.m., but they appeared to be of Middle Eastern descent.
"All three died of gunshot wounds. None of the three were decapitated," he said. "A fourth body was not discovered."
Was the Reuters eyewitness fabricating his account (not impossible at all)? If not, what happened to the decapitated body and why would an armed foreigner allow himself to be taken hostage after all that has happened?
If the original account is a fabrication, what is the motive behind it? Obscuring bad news for pro-terror forces might be one. Note that the other three bodies were apparently not mutilated, completely atypical for Islamofascists.
Conclusion: It is possible that the 3 (or 4) dead men were terrorists or tools and that this was a hit by Kurdish or government plain clothesmen, or pro-government vigilantes. We shall see.
Afghan troops stormed a notorious prison Friday in an assault aimed at ending a standoff sparked by a bloody escape attempt by four inmates once suspected of belonging to the al-Qaida terror organization. Explosions ripped through the area around the Pul-e Charkhi jail as troops — firing rocket propelled grenades and small arms — launched the assault just before nightfall. Soldiers reported the last holdouts in the prison were killed, bringing the day's death toll to four inmates and four guards.
The standoff began in the morning when four inmates — three Pakistanis and an Iraqi — overpowered and killed a guard, then used his weapon to kill three other guards. Two of the inmates were killed. The other two remained holed up for 10 hours, taking pot shots at the hundreds of security personnel ringing the jail, keeping them from reaching three wounded soldiers trapped inside the complex. Soldiers said the last two were killed in the evening assault. But gunfire continued to ring out from the jail. One soldier involved in the fighting emerged and told reporters that the rebellion had been put down and that those involved in the jailbreak had been killed. Another soldier who called himself Zabullah later came out, still panting, and told reporters: "We killed them," but gunfire soon erupted again.
"Nothing to worry about. Just getting them a little deader."
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Has there ever been a prison anywhere that wasn't "notorious"?
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Why are the reporters hanging out just outside the prison? Shouldn't they be at least, say, 100m away, just to reduce the chance of being hit by stray bullets or shrapnel, or bowled over by escaping prisoners carrying grenade launchers?
FOUR foreign inmates have overpowered a guard and taken his rifle, starting a shootout at Kabul's main prison that left at least six dead. The men - an Iraqi and three Pakistanis - used shaving razors to attack the guard who was leading them to morning prayers. They took his gun and stabbed him to death, Abdul Salam Bakhshi, head of the Pule Charki prison, said. Three other guards and two of the would-be escapees died in the ensuing gun battle. Two of the Pakistanis scavenged a second gun and remained holed up on the jail's war-damaged second floor, Mr Bakhski said. An armored personnel carrier was brought to the scene. The two dead inmates had been released from a jail in northern Afghanistan run by General Abdul Rashid Dostum, one of Afghanistan's most powerful warlords, then were arrested in Kabul for unspecified criminal offenses, Mr Bakhshi said. The jail is for those who have committed criminal offenses, and is unrelated to the US military detention facilities for captured Taliban and al-Qaeda fighters.
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used shaving razors to attack the guard who was leading them to morning prayers .
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where's Human Rights Watch? Dostum releases these animals, probably under NGO pressure and look what they did: more crimes and killing.
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Just shows that these guys are broken people and cannot be fixed. Memo for future ops: no prisoners even after interrogation. They give us no quarter, why should we?
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KATHMANDU - Nepal's military said at least 22 Maoist rebels died in clashes with soldiers in the kingdom's far west which is a guerrilla stronghold amid a new surge of violence. Military helicopters and troop reinforcements had been dispatched to the mountainous region to track down the guerrillas who are battling to topple the monarchy, an army official, who did not wish to be named, said.
The official said 17 rebels died in a clash with troops in Dailekh district while five others died in Lamjung district when the army responded to an attack by hundreds of insurgents against a communications tower. Both districts are in the west of the poverty-racked country where the Maoists, who model themselves on Peru's ruthless Shining Path guerrillas, have a heavy presence.
The army official said he had no word on the number of troop casualties. "The search for the Maoists is continuing by helicopter," the army official said. "The helicopters are needed because there are no modern roads in the region" about 400 kilometers (240 miles) from the ancient capital Kathmandu.
The latest violence came after rebels attacked a group of soldiers in western Nepal Wednesday. The army said 21 troops and an estimated 36 rebels died in that clash while the Maoists said more than two dozen soldiers and six rebels died. Wednesday's army losses were among the heaviest in months.
Thursday's clashes were accompanied by two bomb explosions, one on the outskirts of the capital Kathmandu and the other in the Parsa district in south Nepal. The blasts, one of which targeted a soap factory, the other a municipal government building, caused damage but no casualties.
Analysts see the attacks as an attempt by the Maoists to push the government to meet their demand for polls to be held for a constituent assembly that would draft a new constitution aimed ultimately at establishing a communist republic. "The Maoists are putting pressure on the government to meet their demands for constituent assembly elections as well planning an all-out assault on the army to mark the ninth anniversary of the start of their revolt," said Kapil Shrestha, who teaches political science at Tribhuvan University in Kathmandu.
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Israeli tanks and bulldozers moved into the Khan Younis refugee camp in southern Gaza early Friday and began destroying buildings, residents said. No casualties were reported in light exchanges of fire. The Israeli military said the operation was intended to reduce the number of mortar and rocket attacks from the camp at nearby Jewish settlements. On Thursday, 11 Israeli soldiers were slightly wounded when a mortar shell exploded in a nearby army base. The military said in recent days, Palestinians have fired 30 rockets and mortars from the camp. Residents said soldiers ordered people to leave their homes in the neighborhood known as the Austrian Project. They said 18 tanks and bulldozers entered and started tearing down buildings, and more vehicles were lined up outside the camp.
Wonder if the ISM was anywhere to be found?
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Will the Austrians sue now, because the construction they financed has been destroyed?
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I want a lemon yellow D-9 for Christmas with "Spirit of Rachel" painted on the side. Then when I have too much wine at Christmas dinner I'll drive it out on the yard, elevate the blade as far as it goes, climb up on top of it in my skivvies and scream "I'm king of the world!" until the neighbors call the cops.
It's the simple pleasures I live for.
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when I have too much wine at Christmas dinner
"Honey, which wine goes better with pancakes, red or white?"
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A sweet white, of course. A Tokay perhaps, or a semi-dry champagne, if you're feeling decadent. Anything dry would taste vinegary beside the syrup, and a red would overwhelm the delicate flavour of the flapjacks. *shit-eating grin*
Zionist occupation authorities have banished a Palestinian detainee, who was held under administrative detention, from his hometown of Al-Khalil to Ramallah for two years.
"No, no! Not Ramallah!"
Count yer blessings, Ezze, it could have been Mauritania.
The occupation authorities set a condition for the release of Ezzeddin Dovesh, 36, after 28 months of administrative detention namely not to get out of Ramallah for two years. Dovesh, who moved to Ramallah along with his wife and four children, said that he could not even reach a village near Ramallah to visit relatives. He said that the Zionist prisons authority offered to set him free ten months ago on condition that he would be deported to any Arab or foreign country but he preferred to remain in jail rather than leave his country.
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Three Palestinian militants were killed in the southern Gaza Strip after attacking an Israeli army position and an army convoy, according to a revised toll on Thursday from medical sources. Hassan al-Bania, 20, of Islamic Jihad, and Ashraf Ballusha, 19, of the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, an armed offshoot of the mainstream Fatah faction, were killed late on Wednesday after they attacked an army position near the Kissufim crossing on the border with Israel, the two groups said. Mohammad Al-Aawaj, 26, from the Abu Rish faction, linked to Fatah, was killed shortly after by Israeli troops after firing on an Israeli army convoy, according to medical sources.
G'bye, boyz! Give our regards to Yasser!
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A group of the Palestinian youths residing in Gaza city announced the establishment of "Life-makers" club as a positive response to the project of the Muslim propagator Amre Khaled aimed at revitalizing the youths' dormant energies in the field of the Islamic Da'wa (propagation).
Yup. That's what they need. More dawa. And maybe some deen...
The announcement came during the general conference held at the campus of the Islamic University in Gaza city amidst spiritual atmospheres, which was attended by a host of prominent Muslim scholars. During he conference, the co-founders affirmed that the Palestinian Ulama (religious scholars) are the club's intellectual and legitimate authority, and indicated that the new institution sought to consolidate the culture of sacrifice for the good of the society as one of the most important pillars of the Islamic propagation. For his part, Dr. Nassim Yassin, member of the Palestinian scholars' league, delivered a speech in which he asserted the league's financial and moral support for the club, and expressed his happiness towards what he termed as the high morale of the Palestinian youth.
Yassin... Yassin... Now, where have I heard that name before?
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Daâwa (propagation). Or maybe procreation. As in--"get out there and breed, the wimmin are lonely, and we're actualy running short of cannon fodder."
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4 qa'was for a da'wa? Silly rabbit
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Abbas's working theory is that the Palestinians needn't be violent, when by outbreeding the Israelis they'll eventually crowd them into the sea... driving, with its icky blood and stray limbs, will not be necessary.
The game is nothing. THIS defines Medal of Honor:
Sgt. Raphael Peralta, 25, has already been posthumously awarded the Purple Heart for actions in Fallujah, where he threw himself onto a grenade to save the lives of fellow Marines, according to The Army Times. Peralta regularly volunteered for assault teams that were more dangerous than his assignment would have been otherwise. On the day that he died, Peralta was acting as part of a team that entered a suspected safe house in northern Fallujah. Friends of Peralta's say he should be remembered as nothing less than a hero.
"There is no other description that I can give about him, other than to say he always gave his best," one Marine said. "To us Marines, the honor, courage and commitment that we give out there -- that he gave out there -- is what makes us keep going."
"We call football players heroes, we call soccer players heroes," said Moreno Ruiz. "They're not real heroes. The real heroes are men like him; men who are lying 6 feet under for their country."
As everyone here knows, I'm not a military person, but after reading his story (courtesy LGF) I think he deserves the MoH. And a Marine amphibious assault ship named after him.
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Self-sacrifice just doesn't reach the astoundingly high bar for MoH. MoH seems to be given for almost superhuman expressions of bravery and accomplishment. There are other commendations that reflect the great prestige of his actions, and they command high respect, and it would not slight him in the least to be awarded one of these. A worthy hour can be spent looking at the stories at the official MoH site:
http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/moh1.htm
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No more heroes?
On the morning of Nov. 15, 2004, the men of 1st Battalion, 3rd Marines awoke before sunrise and continued what they had been doing for seven days previously -- cleansing the city of Fallujah of terrorists house by house.
At the fourth house they encountered that morning, the Marines kicked in the door and "cleared" the front rooms, but then noticed a locked door off to the side that required inspection. Peralta threw open the closed door, but behind it were three terrorists with AK-47s. Peralta was hit in the head and chest with multiple shots at close range.
Peralta's fellow Marines had to step over his body to continue the shootout with the terrorists. As the firefight raged on, a "yellow, foreign-made, oval-shaped grenade," as Lance Cpl. Travis Kaemmerer described it, rolled into the room where they were all standing and came to a stop near Peralta's body.
But Sgt. Rafael Peralta wasn't dead -- yet. This young immigrant of 25 years, who enlisted in the Marines when he received his green card, who volunteered for the front line duty in Fallujah, had one last act of heroism in him.
Peralta was the polar opposite of Paredes, the petty officer who turned his back on his shipmates and mocked his commander in chief. Peralta was proud to serve his adopted country. In his parent's home, on his bedroom walls hung only three items -- a copy of the United States Constitution, the Bill of Rights and his boot camp graduation certificate. Before he set out for Fallujah, he wrote to his 14-year-old brother, "Be proud of me, bro ... and be proud of being an American."
Not only can Rafael's family be proud of him, but his fellow Marines are alive because of him. As Peralta lay near death on the floor of a Fallujah terrorist hideout, he spotted the yellow grenade that had rolled next to his near-lifeless body. Once detonated, it would take out the rest of Peralta's squad. To save his fellow Marines, Peralta reached out, grabbed the grenade and tucked it under his abdomen, where it exploded.
"Most of the Marines in the house were in the immediate area of the grenade," Kaemmerer said. "We will never forget the second chance at life that Sgt. Peralta gave us."
Unfortunately, unlike Paredes, Peralta will get little media coverage. He is unlikely to have books written about him or movies made about his extraordinarily selfless sacrifice. But he is likely to receive the Medal of Honor. And that Medal of Honor is likely to be displayed next to the only items that hung on his bedroom wall -- the Constitution, Bill of Rights and his Boot Camp graduation certificate.
Yes, Virginia, there are still heroes in America, and Sgt. Rafael Peralta was one of them. It's just too bad the media can't recognize them.
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Ed, thank you...that was wonderful. I agree that the Medal of Honor is fitting in this case. Yes, some of the accords of previous recipients may be more lengthy, but I think Sgt. Peralta's sacrifice earns a spot next to them.
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Once again the demonstrations of bravery, skill and determination are disregarded by the MSM. However, because of the power of the blogosphere, talk radio, FOX and a few other outlets, the American people that want to know can know about the wonrderful men. I am so fiercely proud of them I cannot express it effectively. If you see a soldier in your holiday travels, buy them a drink. Don't let them pay for dinner. Tell them thanks and that we are all praying for their safe return.
London-based Asharq al-Awsat newspaper said it would temporarily shut its office in the Iraqi capital Baghdad as of Thursday after receiving threats. The pan-Arab daily said armed men calling themselves the mujahideen (holy fighters) threatened on Monday to blow up the office if the newspaper did not publish a story within one week about a militant who had allegedly led battles in Falluja. "Asharq al-Awsat does not respond to threats or publish news under threat of arms ... The decision to close the office was taken to protect the safety of our journalists," it said in its latest edition, adding that its coverage of Iraq would continue.
Good for them. It's good to see they're not willing to be shoved around by gunnies...
The Saudi-owned daily said the gunmen had taken one of its journalists from his house to their car to issue the threat and ask for the article on Omar Hadeed, who the daily said has been reported to be the deputy of al Qaeda ally Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.
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Trial began in Sudan on Thursday for 78 men, including members of the leading Islamist opposition Popular Congress party and former military officers, accused of plotting to overthrow the government. The men were arrested for involvement in what the government said was an attempted coup in September. They were charged with provoking war against the state, terrorism, undermining the constitutional system and possessing weapons. The defendants face the death penalty if convicted. Judge Al-Amin al-Tayeb read the charges to 72 men, including five retired members of the armed forces, who sat behind bars in the court room. Six of the men are being tried in absentia.
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Police arrested two suspected militants and seized explosives from their hideout on Thursday. The men belonged to the outlawed Sipah-e-Muhammad group, said Gul Hameed Summoon, a deputy inspector general of police in Karachi. He identified the two as Sabir Ali and another who used the single name Zafar. Police seized nine kilogrammes of explosives during the raid in central Karachi, he said. The group has been blamed for a number of attacks on majority Sunni Muslims in Pakistan and was banned in August 2001.
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A roadside bomb killed four Afghan policemen and wounded two on Thursday in the southern province of Khost, a senior police official said. Khost is one of the main centres of activity of Taliban guerrillas fighting a three-year-old insurgency against government and US-led forces. "A remote control bomb blast in Ismail Khail Mandozai district killed four people and wounded two," said Khost Deputy Police Chief Colonel Mohammad Zaman Khan. A district chief was among the wounded, he added. On Monday, security forces in Khost asked for support from US forces against a militant nest, and seven rebels were killed by US artillery fire. US and Afghan security forces have detained at least 27 suspected militants since Saturday, half of them in Kandahar, another southern province.
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Customs staff seized 73 kilograms of heroin worth Rs 730 million in the international market in a consignment of bedsheets and pillow covers bound for the United Arab Emirates on Thursday. "The cartons of textile goods weighed more than they should have. When we checked the 292 cartons, we found 73 kilograms of good quality heroin in 295 packets concealed in pillow covers and bedsheets," Dr Mumtaz Ali Raza, an assistant collector, told Daily Times.
He said that the consignment was booked for export by the Multan office of Venus Continental, through the Multan-based Post Management Services (Clearance Agency). Nazim Salim, a customs official, said the consignment was from Garments Made Ups. He said the drugs were seized at around 6:30pm before it could be loaded on to a Dubai-bound flight due to leave at around 10:30 pm. The matter has been referred to Anti Narcotics Force (ANF) for investigation, he added.
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When we checked the 292 cartons, we found 73 kilograms of good quality heroin in 295 packets concealed in pillow covers and bedsheets,â Dr Mumtaz Ali Raza, an assistant collector, told Daily Times.
Raza went on to say that the heroin was "really, REALLY good sh*t, man."
Two people were killed and four wounded in an ambush near Solay Khan Saraey in Southern Waziristan on Wednesday night. They were returning to Tank from Sarokai after voting in the local body elections when armed assailants, hiding in a graveyard, opened indiscriminate firing on their vehicle. Gul Wali Khan and Safeer Khan died instantly. Others including Abdullah, Nadimeen, Rustam Khan and Hamzaullah Khan, who sustained serious injuries, were shifted to Mission Hospital in Tank. Two passengers were reported to be in critical condition.
How's it feel to be a part of the background noise of ceaseless violence in the Land of the Pure?
You might be from Waziristan if...your hometown is named "Tank."
Looks like someone had a beef with the Khan Klan, survivors will no doubt swear Dire Revenge
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Prob'ly need 'em to take on the Paleostinian Naval Police...
The Zionist navy is to purchase two German "Dolphin" submarines at a cost of around 700 million dollars that would join three others of the same make already operating in the Zionist navy. A Zionist navy official said that the deal to be concluded by spring of next year would open new commercial horizons with Europe. A German expert had said that the three German subs earlier bought by Tel Aviv were upgraded to enable them carry long-range missiles with nuclear warheads. He noted that the Zionist navy also has three American "C-Wolf" submarines with powerful missile force. Meanwhile, the enemy radio said that "Israel" had signed an arms deal with an undisclosed European country to the tune of 40 million dollars. The broadcast said that the deal stipulated selling Zionist-made long-range artillery to that country. The Zionist entity is the fifth largest arms exporter in the world after the USA, EU, Russia and Japan.
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"C-Wolf"
ROFL!!! Morons.
And they used "Zionist" 6 times. Bucking for a spot in the KCNA Spew Sweeps, methinks.
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Great catch Fred - a laugh a minute with this one! (my only regret is the friggin domain is associated with my country).
Let's take it in order;
1) Extensive use of the word 'Zionist' - check
2) Long-range missiles with nuclear warheads - we already knew about these guys (you listening Iran?)
3) Never heard of a 'C-Wolf' submarine. They might mean Sea Wolf submarines (US state of the art hunter killer - about 2-3 billion dollars a piece. Oh my gawd, they named one after Jimmah!!), but there's no way the US is going to sell them one of those.
4) Clandestine dealings with EU countries - check
5) Spittle factor - minor. Unusual for a Paleo 'press release'.
Seems the missile on a Dolphin is a Harpoon. It's got a range of 60-150 miles and a warhead of 488 pounds (I guess a nuke could be made that size - thinking of the 'Davy Crockett' man portable nuke from the 50's here).
Another good site, with plenty of pictures, on the Dolphin where it's mentioned it could use the very definitely nuclear capable Popeye (great name!) missile, which has a range of 1500 kilometres.
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The claim of Israel possesing "C-Wolf" (presumably Seawolf) class submarines is of course the kind of Big Lie that Eurabian propagandists now routinely insert into their material, usually in the midst of a mass of undisputed factual material to lend it credibility.
They learned this technique from American lefty academics, who have developed the "incidentally inserted lie" to an art form in recent years.
I find examples every day.
Today's is a claim by a lefty histori-liar at U-Texas that the Boeing XB-15 was widely used by fascist forces in the Spanish Civil War of the 30s. This demonizing tidbit is included as a note in a bibliography, and becomes part of the intellectual background noise of anyone who sees it. (In fact, US arms sales were embargoed during that period and only one XB-15 was built, ever. It stayed firmly in US hands until it was scrapped in 1945.)
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Tony, 488 pounds is not unusually small for a nuclear warhead at all. The W-80used on US cruise missiles weighs around 280 pounds and could easily be incorporated into the Harpoon system (though there is no evidence of this being done). It is a thermonuclear device with a variable yield up to 200 kilotons.
The weight of the standard warheads for the Minuteman and Trident is apparently still classified but is unlikely to be much, if any, higher than that of the W-80.
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Like any other good-size sub, the Dolphins have prodigious range. Armed with Popeye, they would allow the Israelis to hit Islamo-fascist targets in any part of the world.
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The link provided by Tony gives a range of 8000 miles. From Elath on the Red Sea, this is enough to reach Pakistan in the east or as far south as Mozambique and Madagascar. From the Med, it could reach Europe as far north as Denmark or the west coast of Africa as far as Dakar.
Beyond that, refuelling at sea is not a difficult proposition for these vessels and would not necessarily require a tanker or other large vessel. There is also the strong possibility of overseas refuelling facilities being secretly arranged. A clandestine refuelling in the Indian Ocean (not hard to arrange at all) would easily bring Malaysia and Indonesia within reach. A one way transit with a stop in the friendly Phillipines would bring the western Pacific into the envelope.
So, yes, I think the whole world is within reach, or at least the relevant parts of it.
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Iron-Lion-Zion !!! couldnt resist !
Dunno why the paloes are screaming this one , they cant even fight on land , and most of em are scared of the water . Doubt they actually have a navy worth putting outto sea except for a few rubber dinghys and a speedboat or two .
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The Paleos are probably just trying to strengthen French support by conjuring up visions of sinister Zionist U-boats lurking just off St. Nazaire and prepared to lob missiles into the 4th Arrondisement at a moment's notice (could be true for all I know).
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C-minus. Very disappointing propaganda. Insufficient mention of fire. Writer seems unwilling to completely let go of reality. Put more passion in your work.
They need to work out an intern program with the North Koreans. Learn from the best!
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Actually, as the American experience at Pearl Harbour proved : no, you can "sink" a ship in dry dock. It is just a lot easier to recover than one sunk in the open ocean.
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The Israelis have a long history of buying German submarines, so this is no surprise. Their first subs were former NAZI Type-XXII boats from WW II. Remember, too, that Israel doesn't have to buy missiles from others. They have a very efficient missile development program. As for "Seawolf", the same designation was used on an advanced Tang class of US WWII submarines, so the information could be correct.
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I think those were Zee Wolf Unterseeboots.
I think they are slightly modified with missle tubes and the addition of a Zionist deat ray⢠in dry docks in the secret Zionist naval base in India.
As for "Seawolf", the same designation was used on an advanced Tang class of US WWII submarines, so the information could be correct.
Baloney. The Tang class was post-World War 2. An earlier Tang (SS-306 of the Balao class) had been commissioned on 15 October, 1943 and was lost in the Formosa Strait just over a year later.
The previous Seawolf (SSN-575) was the second US nuclear submarine, after the Nautilus. It was a class of one. It was decommissioned in 1987 and scrapped in 1997. Before that, the name was used on SS-197 of the Sargo class, launched in 1939 and lost in the Pacific around 3 October, 1944 (probably to fratricide).
Israel's first submarines were of the British "S" class from World War 2, Tanin and Rahav (ex HMS Springer and Sanguine, respectively). The S was a pre-war design and had no connection to the Type XXI. The next three Israeli subs were ex-British T-class boats, also of pre-war design and wartime construction. (One of these, INS Dakar, [ex-Totem] was lost with 69 men during its delivery voyage in 1968 and re-discovered just a few years ago).
The first German designed submarines used by Israel were the 3 Gal class, built at Vickers in the UK for the IDF in the 70s. This is a 1960s design (Type 206A) and quite different from the XXI.
The three Dolphin class currently in use are of recent German design and construction.
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The instructions didn't indicate that was a bad idea apperently :P
Sanity would indicate otherwise however one would think.
Batteries + sea water = bad
A multi-volume chronology and reference guide set detailing three years of the Mexican Drug War between 2010 and 2012.
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Mr Osorio said the authorities would try to establish where they had gone. "We know they left the country, but we will try to find out what country has received them in order to see that justice is done," he said. Interpol has been called in as the hunt for the men intensifies, it has been reported. 
Pakistani authorities have announced a five million rupee ($83,000) reward for help in the arrest of a militant wanted for kidnapping two Chinese engineers. Ex-Guantanamo Bay detainee 
Afghan troops stormed a notorious prison Friday in an assault aimed at ending a standoff sparked by a bloody escape attempt by four inmates once suspected of belonging to the al-Qaida terror organization. Explosions ripped through the area around the 
Three Palestinian militants were killed in the southern Gaza Strip after attacking an Israeli army position and an army convoy, according to a revised toll on Thursday from medical sources. 
Trial began in Sudan on Thursday for 78 men, including members of the leading Islamist opposition Popular Congress party and former military officers, accused of plotting to overthrow the government. The men were arrested for involvement in what the government said was an attempted coup in September. They were charged with provoking war against the state, terrorism, undermining the constitutional system and possessing weapons. The defendants face the death penalty if convicted. Judge Al-Amin al-Tayeb read the charges to 72 men, including five retired members of the armed forces, who sat behind bars in the court room. Six of the men are being tried in absentia.
Police arrested two suspected militants and seized explosives from their hideout on Thursday. The men belonged to the outlawed 
A roadside bomb killed four Afghan policemen and wounded two on Thursday in the southern province of Khost, a senior police official said. Khost is one of the main centres of activity of Taliban guerrillas fighting a three-year-old insurgency against government and US-led forces. "A remote control bomb blast in Ismail Khail Mandozai district killed four people and wounded two," said Khost Deputy Police Chief Colonel Mohammad Zaman Khan. A district chief was among the wounded, he added. On Monday, security forces in Khost asked for support from US forces against a militant nest, and seven rebels were killed by US artillery fire. US and Afghan security forces have detained at least 27 suspected militants since Saturday, half of them in Kandahar, another southern province.
Customs staff seized 73 kilograms of heroin worth Rs 730 million in the international market in a consignment of bedsheets and pillow covers bound for the United Arab Emirates on Thursday. "The cartons of textile goods weighed more than they should have. When we checked the 292 cartons, we found 73 kilograms of good quality heroin in 295 packets concealed in pillow covers and bedsheets," Dr Mumtaz Ali Raza, an assistant collector, told Daily Times.
