[israelTimes] Democratic Congress members and Anti-Defamation league censure Michigan politician for saying ’you cannot claim to hold progressive values yet back Israel’s apartheid’.
It’s an argument that has percolated for years and now members of Congress are duking it out: What fits better into the "progressive" portmanteau, supporting or opposing Israel?
US House Representative Rashida Tlaib, a Michigan Democrat who is Paleostinian-American and the only member of Congress who opposes Israel’s self-definition as a Jewish state, said Tuesday that there was no room in the progressive movement for supporters of what she called Israel’s "apartheid" government.
"I want you all to know that among progressives, it’s become clear that you cannot claim to hold progressive values, yet back Israel’s apartheid government, and we will continue to push back and not accept that you are progressive except for Paleostine," Tlaib said in an online forum organized by American Moslems for Paleostine.
"Progressive except for Paleostine," has for years been a critique that pro-Paleostinian progressives have aimed at pro-Israel progressives, and support for Paleostinians and criticism of Israel have increased among progressives in recent years, although a substantial number in Congress members remain aligned with the mainstream pro-Israel community.
Jonathan Greenblatt, the Anti-Defamation League CEO, posted the video of Tlaib speaking and tweeted, "In one sentence, [Tlaib] simultaneously tells American Jews that they need to pass an anti-Zionist litmus test to participate in progressive spaces even as she doubles down on her antisemitism by slandering Israel as an apartheid state."
Tlaib is a member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus and at least two of her fellow members said they found her challenge offensive.
"I fundamentally reject the notion that one cannot support Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish and democratic state and be a progressive," said New York Democrat Jerry Fester Bestertester Nadler ...the Dem New York representative-for-life who stepped whole from a Don Martin drawing in the pages of Mad® magazine, head of the House Judiciary Committee... , who is Jewish.
Ritchie Torres, also of New York, who is gay and has extolled the protection of LGBTQ rights in Israel, took aim at some of Tlaib’s other stances.
"There’s nothing progressive about advocating for the end of Israel as a Jewish State," he said. "Nothing progressive about opposing the Abraham Accords, which promotes peace. Nothing progressive about opposing Iron Dome, which protects civilians from indiscriminate rocket fire."
There were a number of other members of the caucus on the online forum, including Marie Newman of Illinois, Andre Carson of Indiana and Judy Chu of Caliphornia, an impregnable bastion of the Democratic Party,.
Also commenting was Representative Debbie Wasserman-Schultz ...Congresswoman from Florida, the abrasive chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee. She has been a politician since 1992, and prior to that was in training as a political science major. Her primary accomplishment seems to be that she's Jewish... of Florida, who is not in the progressive caucus but is one of the leading Jewish Democratic members of Congress. Mayo-haired hatchet-faced mumble-moufed scrunt
"The outrageous progressive litmus test on Israel by [Tlaib] is nothing short of antisemitic," Wasserman Schultz said. "Proud progressives do support Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish and democratic state. Suggesting otherwise is shameful and dangerous. Divisive rhetoric does not lead to peace."
Representative Ted Deutch, another Jewish Florida Democrat who is retiring to head the American Jewish Committee, said support for Israel was itself a progressive value.
"There are progressive activist muppets, progressive students, and progressive Members of Congress whose support of democratic Israel is fundamentally a part of their progressive values," he said. "They all belong at the table. We will not be silenced."
Jared Moskowitz, the Jewish Democratic nominee to replace Deutch, inverted Tlaib’s words to criticize her.
"I want you all to know that among #progressives, it becomes clear that you cannot claim to hold progressive values if you are an antisemite," he said.
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Well, it's true. Either you oppose apartheid, or you're for apartheid.
I've noticed in a lot of comment sections, it's becoming increasingly clear that Israel is in the wrong here. They keep shouting anti-Semitism but it just isn't sticking. Israel has gotten away with apartheid for a long time, and it's worked for them, but that's what happened to South Africa, too. Eventually the world woke up to this great wrong and started to take action. That's what's happening here.
#4
^ Apartheid? Fuck right off, Anonymous troll. Even the Arabs have gotten past your hate, siding with The Juice over Hamas, Hezbollah, PIJ, and other hate-filled losers
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Apartheid ?
Martha's 'Wingerd.' Now you know two words in Afrikaans.
#6
And the fallacies of the democrat party are getting the light.
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In Israel, where you can buy land and where you can live can be denied if you are of the wrong skin color.
That's literally apartheid.
See, that's making the wrong argument. The real argument, used by actual Israelis, is that apartheid is not only necessary but a just punishment. Tell you what, if California started enacting the same policies, would you protest? How about that race-segregated dorm where whites aren't allowed in?
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#7 In Israel, where you can buy land and where you can live can be denied if you are of the wrong skin color.
That's literally apartheid.
You mean like East Jerusalem and the West Bank where if you sell to a Jew, you stand a good chance of being killed?
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The real argument, used by actual Israelis, is that apartheid is not only necessary but a just punishment
Man, those Jews are clever. No wonder they're all related to Gawd. I would stress on a bit of ethnic cleansing too, but they've been sorta fence sitters on that for thousands of years. Oh well...
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In Israel, where you can buy land and where you can live can be denied if you are of the wrong skin color.
As English teachers say: Be specific. Give examples. With links, as is the Rantburg way, so we can judge your sources for ourselves (though only two hot links per comment, or Rantburg’s program will reject the comment). Where in Israel are property rights limited by skin colour, Sheba Smith8503? In the Palestinian territories of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, sure, but that is because the Palestinians have self rule and decreed prison or death for any Palestinians that sells to a Jew.
Although I assume you are using skin colour as shorthand for Arab vs Jew. The problem there is that half of Israel’s Jews are not from Europe, but from the Muslim world — the Arab countries, Iran, North Africa, Ethiopia — and their skin colour and general features are exactly the same as those of the Arabs.
My father was Israeli and I’ve lived among Zionists my entire life. I’ve never heard about apartheid as a just punishment, or even a good idea. Again: give examples with links.
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On the other hand, if Progressives want to openly define themselves as not including Zionists (by which they mean icky Jooooooos), I am fine with that. Let the lines be clear, and let those Jews and non-Jews who are on the Left be clear what they are prioritizing.
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I'd really like to see Tlaib put her "argument" in the form of a resolution, to be followed by a roll-call vote in the House. Let's see who's who.
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DooDahMan has it right. Tlaib represents the Hamas wing of the progressive movement which is an even loonier movement within the already loony Democrat Party. But look at it this way: It's nice to see divisions in that party.
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Maybe we can get some red on red action.
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You mean like East Jerusalem and the West Bank where if you sell to a Jew, you stand a good chance of being killed?
You know, when you accuse your enemy of doing the same thing you're doing - you're still doing the thing. That doesn't take the guilt out of doing it.
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My father was Israeli and I’ve lived among Zionists my entire life. I’ve never heard about apartheid as a just punishment, or even a good idea. Again: give examples with links.
Even Israel isn’t what it once was. Within the next decade the country’s mostly-Palestinian Muslim population will become the majority, although about 90 percent of them have no political rights in the Israeli system. The two-state process that sought to generate a country for the Palestinians has been dead for years and we have already seen the Israelis implement a very successful separation plan more than a bit reminiscent of South Africa’s Apartheid.
In fact, Israeli ultranationalists in private conversations even welcome the comparison to Apartheid, because they think Apartheid was gentler than what modern Israel has achieved. Under Apartheid, the black South Africans could travel to white-controlled zones for work. Under the Israeli program the Palestinians languish behind 35-foot-tall concrete walls in what are little more than open air prisons with the Israelis controlling Palestinian access to power, food and water. As the thinking goes, who cares if this radicalizes the Palestinians if they are radicalized on the other side of a wall. Arguably, places like Tunisia or Pakistan are now “more equal” democracies than Israel. (Ugh, I’m going to get so much hate mail for these last two paragraphs.)
Even he fears bringing up the apartheid issue because he knows the hate it brings down on those who dare speak it - as Tlaib, deplorable as she is, is finding out.
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Sheba Smith8503 From Wikipedia: There have been Israeli Arab members of the Knesset ever since the first Knesset elections in 1949. The following is a list of the 98 past and present members. Currently, in Israel "proper" (within the Green Line), only 7 percent of the land is owned privately by individuals (3 percent Jews and 4 percent Arabs).That's some apartheid there.
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I think the Arab lost the war of annihilation in 1948 against Israel. Just three years before the Germans lost their war and saw East Prussia taken by the Soviets and Silesia taken over by Poland, each of whom ethnically cleansed the places. No one seems to have objected to those events. Given that other areas occupied in that war by Syria, Jordan, and Egypt were never treated as anything less than just another part of their country, they certainly weren't championed the Paleos. It was after those countries lost those territories to Israel in war, that they saw fit to finally recognize a Palestinian state. Given since then that those same Paleos have been agitated and used by various Arab states as a weapon against Israel, I have no issue with how they handle internal security (which is a lot better than the Chinese deal with the Uyghurs).
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Apartheid. Nazi. Islamophobia.
What candy ass, limpdick, wishy washy, namby pamby, milquetoast faggot world has this become? Entire populations, entire committees full of veterans, warfighting commanders, enforcers and judges and presidents can be kicked in the nuts with just a word and coerced with just guilt into not doing anything about anything?!
It's like magic. Say 'genocide' and watch someone's dick wilt. Say 'apartheid!' and the guy infront feels he is responsible for all the evil in the world.
All the remorseless bastards are gone to fight for commies and islamics. Who fights with us?
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^ The left is devaluing those pejoratives almost as fast as the currency. Soon, like the race card, it will be like the game little kids play in kindergarten where a word is repeated over and over until it's just a sequence of meaningless syllables.
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Peter Zeihan? A good choice for this crowd, Sheba Smith8503. Thank you for being so responsive.
Within the next decade the country’s mostly-Palestinian Muslim population will become the majority, although about 90 percent of them have no political rights in the Israeli system.
An analyst is only as good as the statistics he believes and the definitions he employs. Though your link is from 2019, Mr. Zeihan’s errors of fact on the subject of Israel are common, and his conclusions are shared with the equally misled starting back in the 1930s. Even Palestinian Authority president Mahmoud Abbas made the jihad of the Arab womb the subject of his dissertation when he was a scholarship student in Moscow, back in the day. A couple of things that Mr. Zeihan should have pondered, neatly demonstrating why no authority, no matter how authoritative, should be accepted without challenge — data dump follows:
From 3 days ago: Israel’s population climbs toward 10 million mark, statistics bureau says: 9.6 million people live in country, 74% Jewish, 21% Arab; Central Bureau of Statistics predicts country will reach 20 million by 2065
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israels-population-climbs-toward-10-million-mark-statistics-bureau-says/
From 2016: Jewish, Arab fertility rates in Israel on par for first time: Arab rate drops, Jewish rate rises, and women in both groups now give birth to an average of 3.13 children, highest in OECD
https://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-arab-fertility-rates-in-israel-on-par-for-first-time/
From 2006 (one of a number of studies on the subject done over the years responding to the consistent panic that Israel’s Jewish population will be crowded out by the Arabs): The Million Person Gap: A Critical Look at Palestinian Demography
SUMMARY: Population statistics and predictions of the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics (PCBS) are unreliable. A BESA study that subjects Palestinian demography to rigorous analysis shows that the 2004 Palestinian population of the West Bank and Gaza stood at 2.5 million; not the 3.8 million claimed by the Palestinians. The 1997 PCBS population survey which has been widely used as the basis for subsequent studies – inflated numbers by including over three hundred thousand Palestinians living abroad and double-counting over two hundred thousand Jerusalem Arabs included in Israels population survey. Later PCBS broadcasts echoed the forecasts of the 1997 study, reporting unrealized birth forecasts, including assumptions of mass Palestinian immigration that never occurred, and disregarding significant Palestinian emigration from the territories to Israel and neighboring Arab countries. The resulting PCBS report for 2004 inflated the size of the Arab population in the West Bank and Gaza by over fifty percent. The BESA study and further demographic research indicate that Israeli concerns about demographic pressure from the West Bank and Gaza have been exaggerated.
https://besacenter.org/the-million-person-gap-a-critical-look-at-palestinian-demography/
CIA World Factbook:
West Bank:
Population: 3,000,021 (2022 est.)
note: approximately 432,000 Israeli settlers live in the West Bank (2019); approximately 227,100 Israeli settlers live in East Jerusalem (2019)
Total fertility rate: 2.96 children born/woman (2022 est.
Net migration rate: -4.09 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2022 est.))
Gaza Strip:
Population: 1,997,328 (2022 est.)
Total fertility rate: 3.44 children born/woman (2022 est.)
Net migration rate: -4.55 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2022 est.)
https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/
Based on all that, there are currently 7.6 million Jews and 2 million Arabs in Israel proper as of three days ago. Assuming the Palestinians follow historic trends, we can reasonably estimate from the official numbers collected by the CIA that there are really about 1.3 million Palestinians in the West Bank and 1 million in the Gaza Strip... or less. Altogether then, there are about 5.3 million Arabs — Arab-Israelis plus Palestinians — in the Greater Israel area, in total having a birthrate not significantly different than that of the Jews. And finally, the CIA World Factbook reports Israel’s net migration rate as 2.02 migrant(s)/1,000 population, compared to negative migration [emigration] in both the West Bank and Gaza.
So I see no possibility of the combined Palestinian and Arab Israeli population in the region becoming the majority. And the Arab Israelis, however much some of them object to being ruled by the Jews, have been loudly objecting to the idea of being given into the eager hands of the Palestinian Authority in a trade of Jewish communities in the West Bank for Arab communities in Israel, lock, stock, and barrel, so I see no possibility of the Palestinians and Israeli Arabs pooling their efforts to throw out the Jews, either.
Nelson Mandela is right that a country should not automatically take on the friends and enemies of its allies. But since he was a Marxist who’d gone through a nasty violent phase and as far as I know never repudiated his fellows from that time nor the wife who continued to organize violence while he was in prison, I see no virtue in the fact that the ANC follows the Soviet anti-Israel position.
Under the Israeli program the Palestinians languish behind 35-foot-tall concrete walls in what are little more than open air prisons with the Israelis controlling Palestinian access to power, food and water.
A fantasy, I’m afraid. One wonders that Mr. Zeihan did not look into that before spouting off — because several hundred thousand Palestinians a day come legally across the borders from the West Bank and Gaza Strip to work, and even more sneak illegally through holes in the fences. It makes me wonder on what other subjects Mr. Zeihan falls for conventional thinking instead of basing his conclusions on raw data.
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Separately, the honourable Representative from the snowy state of Michigan is not the first to try to push Jews out of the Progressive movement. PJ Media posted this the other day about about Linda Sarsour, who took over the anti-Trump Pussy March until her viciousness caused the majority to shun her:
[FoxNews] A Los Angeles tavern owner slammed the city council Thursday for overlooking the crime crisis after a shocking video showed a homeless man throwing a bag of feces at him outside his restaurant.
Owner of Blue Dog Beer Tavern Paul Scrivano joined "Fox & Friends First" to discuss the incident and why he feels helpless after seeking support from the city.
"It's a true feeling of helplessness," Scrivano told co-host Todd Piro. "It's not the end of civilization when someone… goes to the bathroom on the street. It's the end of civilization is when the government looks past that, and when the government says that's okay."
"LAPD tells me they're just unable to write tickets, write citations, make arrests for these levels of crime, so that's what causes the end of civilization," he continued.
Scrivano sent the video of the feces attack to the Los Angeles City Council to raise awareness on the crisis, and they responded by requesting that he not send "unsolicited" and "inappropriate" content.
"In future we request that you do not send these types of photos to our staff, as we will not be able to respond if they contain inappropriate content such as a person indecently exposed," the statement read. "While it is not right that you and your customers were confronted with this, it is also crossing a boundary to send these photos to our staff unsolicited."
Scrivano cited Prop 47 and Prop 57 as the reason why criminals have been emboldened to commit crimes in communities across the state.
"What we have now is an amazing influx of criminals from around the country," Scrivano said. "And I'm getting it on good advice that if you go to the Greyhound bus station in downtown L.A., it's just a steady stream of these people from all over the country who are being sent here on one way, bus tickets from judges and sheriffs from around the country saying go to L.A. It's just a gangster's paradise."
"We really need some help out there. This problem is ridiculous."
#4
His continuance in office tells you a great deal about people in Washington, both Democrat and Republican.
Yes. You will see the uniparty in action when the GOPe declines to unwind any significant part of Joe's misministration.
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Look, he is 79 years old.
He partied hardy and did not age well.
We need to require all politicians to take annual tests for drug/alcohol abuse and "When there is history or evidence of clinically significant psychiatric illness, such as aberrant behavior or thinking, abnormalities on neurologic examination, or difficulties in day-to-day performance on the job or in social situations, then a formal dissecting of specific cognitive abilities should be performed near the close of the physician–patient encounter. " mental status exam..
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'Sundowner Syndrome' disorientation? Bright Lights? In any event this is sad... if it wasn't criminal that they still claim Biden is 'fully competent' to be POTUS.
[Federalist] The House of Representatives passed legislation on Wednesday to overhaul the 1887 Electoral Count Act and re-write election rules to benefit Democrats in presidential contests.
The bill, proposed by GOP Wyoming Rep. Liz Cheney and Rep. Zoe Lofgren, a Democrat from California who is under Cheney on the Jan. 6 Committee, reforms the 135-year-old law to narrow the grounds for objections to presidential electors and open the door to late-day voting.
Cheney’s “Presidential Election Reform Act” became the Democrats’ answer to their failed effort to override state election laws in H.R. 1, which Senate Republicans blocked last summer. The legislation carries some of the same provisions of the doomed election bill at the top of Democrats’ congressional agenda. Just nine Republicans supported the bill, all but one of whom supported President Donald Trump’s second impeachment and are either retiring or have lost their primaries.
According to Axios, similar legislation in the upper chamber has already drawn support from the 10 Republicans needed in the split Senate to circumvent a filibuster.
New York Republican Rep. Claudia Tenney, who co-chairs the Election Integrity Caucus, condemned the bill as “the latest attempt from House Democrats to stack the democratic process in their favor” and complained that the proposal did not go through the proper legislative process. The text was only released days before the Wednesday vote and received no bipartisan hearing or markup in committee.
“It is nothing more than a partisan messaging bill intended to score cheap political points weeks before an election,” Tenney said in a press release outlining the legislation’s flaws.
“The bill broadly defines a ‘catastrophic event,’ which could be used to extend balloting for up to five days after the polls close in a presidential election,” Tenney said. “It also tramples on the core principle of state sovereignty and directly contradicts the United States Constitution. The legislation also creates broad private rights of action in a backdoor to empower Democrat election lawyers and partisan operatives.”
The congresswoman from central New York called on her colleagues to outlaw the private takeover of elections through “Zuckerbucks” and boost security at the ballot box.
Illinois Republican Rep. Rodney Davis similarly condemned the bill’s expedited passage through the lower chamber on the House floor and highlighted the hypocrisy over electoral objections.
“Democrats have objected to every single Republican presidential win in the 21st century,” Davis said.
In 2017, Democrats objected to more states certifying President Donald Trump’s win than Republicans did four years later for Joe Biden.
“I believe what the House Democrats and the Jan. 6 Committee are doing is irresponsible and wrong,” Davis said. “They have allowed their dislike for one man, President Trump, to cloud their judgment and guide their actions — no matter the consequences to this institution or the Constitution that they claim to want to uphold.”
According to Axios, similar legislation in the upper chamber has already drawn support from the 10 Republicans needed in the split Senate to circumvent a filibuster.
[Breitbart] Journalist Megyn Kelly observed Thursday that while there had been investigations, lawsuits, and indictments surrounding Donald Trump — including a New York State civil lawsuit against his children this week — the Biden family was untouched.
"Lots of indictments of Trump — not a one on Hunter Biden," Kelly quipped.
Citing former FBI agent Timothy Thibault, who has become a whistleblower, Kelly noted that former Biden business associate Tony Bobulinski said that after the FBI interviewed him for several hours, he never heard from them again regarding his explosive allegations that Joe Biden and his son, Hunter, had sought to create a joint venture with a company liked to the Chinese Communist Party regime, and that the elder Biden — the "big guy" — was to have received 10% of the equity.
Kelly tackled the media’s double standard generally with regard to Hunter Biden and Ashley Biden, the president’s daughter, during The Megyn Kelly Show on SiriusXM Triumph 11, with Breitbart News’ senior editor-at-large Joel Pollak and The Intercept’s Ryan Grim as guests.
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Sometimes I wonder if Trump is just screwing with the Democrats (and RINOs) by making them believe he's going to run.
But he also may need to learn a lesson from Bernie Sanders--it's a waste of time...you aren't going to win. Period. They pulled out all of the stops to prevent Trump from winning in 2016, and I think they'll do it again if he runs, one way or another.
I'd rather see him as Speaker of the House then serve another term as president. He would drive Pelosi to drink. Oh, wait....
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Beto has denounced the recent busing of illegals from Texas to the N and NE.
Polls show widespread support for this busing in Texas, even among Democrats.
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Hell, I live in the Boston area and I want to see the Vineyard, and Boston, Brookline, Newton, Cambridge, Belmont, and especially Watertown flooded with cheap landscaping help.
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