THE remains of the lost city of Atlantis, which a United States researcher claims to have found off the Mediterranean island of Cyprus, are in fact submarine volcanoes, according to a German physicist. US researcher Robert Sarmast claimed on Monday to have found proof that the mythical lost city of Atlantis actually existed and is located under the Mediterranean seabed between Cyprus and Syria. But German physicist Christian Huebscher said he had identified the phenomenon as 100,000 year-old volcanoes that spewed mud.
Never mind.
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Actually, the dude is wrong. I identified it as swamp gas and reflection of planet Venus.
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Speaking of mouses... Mojo is my cat. Or rather... My cat's named Mojo. He is rather odd (he's just sitting behind me so I don't want to spell it out, not to upset him and blow his self esteem--he might want to go to Boca Rotten for a therapy and I don't have a proper cat container--he's huge).
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Sorry, I mean micees, the little rodents that Mojo beheads and leaves stacked in separate fashion on my door mat. Is he a moose-limb? You tell me...
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My predilection for truth is high! I, won't believe in any Atlantis 'sitings' or 'discoveries' until proven with evidence such as revealed in King Tut's discovery; same for Noah's Ark!
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Darn , and I thought this was where all the unidentified Sub activity originated . Ahh well , Im still a firm believer that this is where the Zionist Death Ray(tm) is located . Please disprove me !
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I thought that Atlantis was a place off the coast of a Celtic land-Brittany, Wales, Cornwall, Ireland? There are many "sea swallower" stories, but Atlantis should be connected to the Atlantic, shouldn't it? Does anyone know the origin of the Atlantis story?
BTW-Alan Stivell had a great harp piece called Ys, which tells an Atlantis-style tale of a Breton village swallowed by the sea.
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Jules, "which tells an Atlantis-style tale of a Breton village swallowed by the sea. "
So was Port Royal. Happens all the time.
Story of Atlantis is a typical composite, containing some historical elements and as well the concept of 'old golden times', a philosophical essay of sorts.
The story was conveyed to Solon by Egyptian priests, and Plato later expanded it with his utopian overlay.
As for Atlantis-Atlantic connection, as I said earlier (yesterday?), ancient Greeks considered all the ocean waters as Atlantic Ocean.
Hence, Atlantis could have been located virually anywhere on the globe.
Considering the time frame given by priests (9,000 years before Solon's era), linguistic, archaological and geological evidence, I tend to entertain the idea that there was some seafaring civilization at the cusp between the last glacial and current interglacial that found its demise because of rapid changes in environment. It was probably spread, rather than radiating from one center, as the Plato story suggest.
BTW, the name "Atlantis" is rather a label that was created later, the hypothetical civilization, if existed, went very likely by another name. There is a linguistic support for this premise.
There is one good candidate for location of some sort of central power of 'Atlantis' type. It is not located in Atlantic, but rather in Indian Ocean, specifically the Indonesian archipelago. It would take a whole book to explain why that may be so, so I leave it at that, but there is quite a body of evidence that may suport this notion. Maybe one day I'll find time to put this hypothesis together in some logical structure.
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Historically "catastrophic floods" did occur at the start of the current inter-glacial. Along the Columbia River Gorge in Oregon, there are places where you can look 2+ miles across the gorge and see water lines... more than 800 feet above the current river level. The Missoula Floods were on the order of 500 cubic miles in two days.
The trigger for the floods was a glacial dam becoming buoyant.
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I had a cat once, Bo Diddley, who used to bag one or two birds a day and leave them for me. I got tired of burying the corpses so I "belled" him to put a stop to it. He still managed one or two a week with the bell.
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Dishman, that's why you found 'great flood' stories virtually in all corners of the world.
Funny, I've geological evidence in my backyard. The sea water level at my location (Sunshine Coast, BC) was about 60m higher than today when the floods hit at the beginning of this interglacial.
If there were any seaports before that when the sea level was about another 70-100m below current level, very little evidence would be left, almost all erased.
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Most evidence for sea levels higher (and lower) than today result from changes in land elevation and not from changes in sea level despite what the MSM would have you believe.
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Good picture of Dry Falls at the bottom of this long page together with a neat map of Lake Missoula. You can also see the shore lines from the lake on the mountains around Missoula. All around fascinating story told in Cataclysms on the Columbia
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And a low tech society wouldn't even notice changes in sea level. They would be too gradual. Unless a below sea level area was flooded as probably happened to the Red Sea 8,000 years ago. Flood myths would have resulted from cataclysmic events, Tsunamis, floods from glacial melting and inundation due to sudden changes in the level of the land after earthquakes.
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The story about Solon learning about Atlantis from Egyptian priests and then passing the knowledge to Plato is what *Plato* said about the origin of the story. We have no evidence other than Plato's word that either Solon or Egyptians had even heard of the story, and that it wasn't merely Plato's invention.
As for the Atlantis-Atlantic connection, you people have it backwards. It was the *Atlantic Ocean* that was named after Atlantis, not vice versa. Atlantis itself was named after Atlas, who supposedly was its first king.
Atlantis seems to me to have been nothing but another one of Plato's games with fictional ways of government, this time placed in a fictional setting.
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Phil, "Most evidence for sea levels higher (and lower) than today result from changes in land elevation and not from changes in sea level"
In the geological second that covers span of about one millenium or shorter when the changes happened--what is more likely: that all continents jumped up and down violently, or that sea level risen when the continental icebergs melted and then slightly dropped after adjustment when some ice has been deposited back to polar regions and some basins were flooded?
In longer geological preriods that span 100+K years, you are right. Don't forget that flood myths must have been based on preceptible change.
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Aris, "Atlantis itself was named after Atlas, who supposedly was its first king".
Actually, the myth says--Poseidon. Altlas would have been the king of the city, rather than of the whole land mass.
Atlantis does not refer linguistically to a land/civilization, but rather its status afterwards--that it was gone, swallowed by waters.
Of course, when the core of the story was being transformed and the myth was created, people would presume that the land was named after its first king. Since it was called Atlantis, the king would be then--Atlas.
Of couse the ocean was named after it, what gave you the idea that someone said it was opposite. The only thing that I said is that ALL the oceans were referred to as Atlantic Ocean by Solon that got the concept from Egyptian priests, while Plato thought that it refers to waters west of Gibraltar that he took for Herculanean Pillars. Probably because that was the scope of his geographical knowledge at the time.
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Of couse the ocean was named after it, what gave you the idea that someone said it was opposite.
Actually I seem to have made a mistake in the last sentence -- searching for further info, I see that Herodotus mentions the name Atlantic for the sea -- that was long before Plato. So probably nix that.
Shipman> Thanks for the contribution -- appreciated like all the referenced facts you so often provide to support your uh...argumentposition thingy.
A TEENAGER with toothache ended up fighting for life in hospital — after being turned away by a string of dentists. Peter Owen, 19, was in agony for a week as he tried SIX times to have a tooth out. He was eventually rushed to hospital after an abcess on the tooth swelled so much that it blocked his windpipe. Peter had an emergency tracheotomy — where a breathing tube is inserted through a hole in the throat — and was on life support for two days.
Mum Wynn, 47, said last night: "Peter nearly died because there is a shortage of dentists. "It is shameful that someone should be taken to hospital fighting for his life just because of toothache." Peter was not registered with an NHS dentist when he developed raging toothache. Wynn rang NHS Direct who told her there were NO available dentists near their home in Colwyn Bay, North Wales. The nurse who answered suggested the emergency dentist at Royal Alexandra Hospital in Rhyl could see him — but not for six days...
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I'd like to make a snarky comment here, but frankly, I'm speechless.
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Registration? Waiting in agony for six days to get emergency treatment? A toothache that culminates in an emergency tracheotomy and two days on life support??? That's not just disgusting-- it oughtta be a crime.
Early last year I had surgery for a hernia. I don't have any fancy health insurance plan, just what my small company employer could afford-- one of those eeeeeeeevil HMOs, don'tcha know.
I called my doctor to schedule an initial exam. The exam was that same afternoon. He referred me to a surgeon. Called the surgeon, got an appointment with him for two days later. He says, "Yep, that's a hernia alright," and schedules me for surgery two days later. Total elapsed time: less than a week. Total cost: $97.50-- $25 for the doctor, $35 for the surgeon, $35 for the hospital, and $2.50 for parking at the hospital. Quick, cheap, and competent. I even had my pick from three hospitals, free to choose which one I felt was most convenient.
Can someone explain to my why I should prefer socialized medicine? Forget it, I'm not interested.
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Like they say, you think healthcare is expensive now? Wait 'til it's free!
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My wife spent a couple of weeks 'in hospital' in Scotland when we were stationed there abut 10 years ago. It was an interesting experience to say the least.
What? Are you nuts? If you're not registered, you might make choices on your own, you uneducated Bush-voting proletariat. We have a crack staff of experts who know what's best for you.
Now then, the dentist can see you on the 18th...of April 2008.
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For a long long looong time here we've been told that the National Health Service (NHS) is the envy of the world. It is not true.
The government is committed to socialised medicine and that is not likely to change.
There are private hospitals and schemes that are far better for chronic illnesses. The NHS is ok for acute stuff. Just make sure you stay in a private ward so you don't get MRSA (Methicillin Resistant Staphylococcus aureus) - a superbug.
And let's not even talk about how much this costs (a lot).
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Tony - and the only reason the NHS is 'good for acute stuff' is that it doesn't have competition. If the NHS weren't there for A&E, private hospitals, a la the USA, would be right in there picking up the slack, and doing a much better job of it.
IMO, we should be encouraging or sending as many medical professionals as we can to the states to be educated in how their system has left ours so far behind. If the pros get 'converted' it'll be only a matter of time before something actually happpens about it (or they might just not come back, I suppose).
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Welcome to the least common denominator, folks. The lefties believe that just because you CAN afford it, doesn't mean you SHOULD be able to get it.
Hence, you get health care that is less than that affordable by the least wealthy of your comrades. Unless you come to the good old USA, of course.
From AP, efl
President Vladimir Putin said Wednesday that Russia is developing a new form of nuclear missile unlike those held by other countries, news agencies reported... No details were immediately available, but Defence Minister Sergei Ivanov said earlier this month that Russia expected to test-fire a mobile version of its Topol-M ballistic missile this year and that production of the new weapon could be commissioned in 2005. News reports have also said Russia is believed to be developing a next-generation heavy nuclear missile that could carry up to 10 nuclear warheads weighing a total of four tonnes, compared with the Topol-M's 1.2-tonne combat payload. Topol-Ms have been deployed in silos since 1998. The missiles have a range of about 10,000 kilometres and reportedly can manoeuvre in ways that are difficult to detect. Earlier this year, a senior Defence Ministry official was quoted as telling news agencies that Russia had developed a weapon that could make the United States' proposed missile-defence system useless. Details were not given, but military analysts said the claimed new weapon could be a hypersonic cruise missile or manoeuvrable ballistic missile warheads.
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The issue isn't how fast light travels from a laser, it's the time needed to identify and lock onto the missile as a target. Identifying could be hard if the propulsion system is significantly different from existing missiles. Locking on could be hard if the missile were able to maneuver while in flight (i.e. isn't simply ballistic).
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Anything that can propel four tonnes of warhead is going to use enough energy that some of it will be readily detectable. We may new new instruments, but that's not a daunting proposition.
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Looks like we'll need to tweak the Zionist Death Ray, again.
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2b - Because they are fierce and mighty and want some RESPECT. We never call them anymore, or threaten then with Capitalist Aggressive War, or show up for long lunches at the SALT XXIII meetings.
They are lonely.
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The Russians have turned to making grand claims rather than doing. I'm waiting with baited breath for the Mars landings they're planning sometime in the next year or two. Unless they forgot of course.
Fact is if the thing goes suborbital it's the same as every other missile and can be shot down. If it hugs the ground it's gonna use up a ton, ton, ton of fuel to get to target.
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This is just more of Putin's Rodney Dangerfield policy. Bullying Ukraine. Putting more troops in Central Asia. Big talk about missiles.
Yawn. Come back and talk to us when you've figured out how to put down a ragtag insurrection within your own borders, one that should have been suppressed ten years ago.
Or talk to us when your third-world resource economy has figured out how to create a rudimentary banking system instead of forcing your citizens to stuff all their cash under mattresses.
Or maybe when you've managed to keep your far eastern governors from becoming independent dictators who are falling into the Chinese orbit.
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Anything that can propel four tonnes of warhead is going to use enough energy that some of it will be readily detectable. We may new new instruments, but that's not a daunting proposition.
However, characterizing that energy signature will take time and, depending on the boost mode and its maneuvering options, may not be a trivial sensor/software exercise, even if theoretically quite possible.
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...and there's always the Matthias Rust Stealth Cessna if all else fails.
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Bet it's just an follow on to old Soviet cold launch technology, which makes perfect sense if you think you can reload.... Jeezbus, you still get an indication of launch at about 100 ft above the silo... but it's good PR.
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No it's their launch vehicles, designed by their Germans, as opposed to our launch vehicles, designed by our German, using a camera invented by their Germans, stolen by us.
Clear?
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But YOUR Germans were better than THEIR Germans :-)
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To quote the Reporter character in the end-scene from the 50's sci-fi classic THE THING - "WATCH THE SKIES", and the horizon and the ocean! Those seeming light streaks/flashes streaking across the darkness of space or rising from the sea is GLOBAL MISSLE DEFENSE, not meteors, comets, or St. Elmo's fire, etc., AND THE COMMIES KNOW IT. With reports of JAPAN, TAIWAN, and Singapore, etc. asking to be part of GMD, and being surrounded by mostly pro-US/Wes/Democracy states in CENASIA, the Commies know the clock is ticking against them.
The fourth world toilet summit has opened in Beijing with declarations that having a loo is a human right.
After food and water, it's pretty much a requirement.
Four hundred delegates from around the world are spending three days discussing the humble water closet.
On expence account, natch.
Wonder what kinda seating they've got?
At the opening ceremony, Chinese officials admitted their public amenities are not up to the mark. Organisers say it is an attempt to break the taboo surrounding toilets, which is preventing developing countries from tackling the issue.
It's sponsored by the International Society for Relief from Constipation...
"Brought to you by Ex-Lax, Metamucil, and Charmin.
The founder of the World Toilet Organisation, Jack Sim, said that when it came to sanitation, people ought to demand more.
"What do we want?"
"Toilet paper!"
"When do we want it?"
"Now! Please!"
In the past, there were women's liberation, leprosy, Aids, the sexual revolution. All these are taboos that have been broken. The toilet problem is probably the last one. "The entire toilet movement is taking on the world scale."
He said "toilet movement", heh heh heh heh
"People are saying, 'We want good toilets'....because you see a toilet is a basic human right and this basic human right has been neglected. So the world deserves better toilets," he said.
What do you want to bet the WTO is funded by a lot of toilet makers?
Host China is famous for its smelly toilets and officials admitted that 60% of foreign visitors are dissatisfied with Chinese loos. But it seems the next revolution in the Chinese capital will transform its WCs with large scale investment and building planned before Beijing hosts the Olympic Games in 2008.
China, 1 billion bums yearning for a good seat.
Next year's conference is going to be held in Flushing, NY.
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"This room is dedicated to Thomas J. Crapper: Thanks for the convenience!"
My favourite Chinese toilet is/was in a village near a place called Dali. Didn't actually use it, just stared in awe. A large square room with a mass of shit piled up against one wall. One chap squatting at the edge with rats playing alongside. Can't remember why I held on.
FRENCH President Jacques Chirac has no legal case to answer for notching up high dining expenses while he was mayor of Paris, a court said today. Paris mayor Bertrand Delanoe, a member of the opposition Socialist Party, filed a civil complaint last year over the food bills amassed by Mr Chirac and his wife Bernadette between 1987 and 1995. But a Paris appeals court dismissed the case, saying the statute of limitations had lapsed. Mr Chirac, who was reelected as president in 2002 for a five year term, has declined to comment on the allegations. He remains immune from questioning or possible prosecution as long as he is head of state, but his wife enjoys no such immunity.
The city of Paris can still take the case to France's highest appeals court. The city's lawyer said he would assess today's court decision before making a statement. Mr Delanoe filed the complaint after an audit he ordered found Mr Chirac and his wife spent â¬2.2 million ($2.85 million) on wine and food for private entertaining between 1987 and 1995, more than half of it in cash. According to the report, food bills amounted to â¬600 ($1000) a day on average. Money was also spent on items such as subscriptions to private television channels, kitchen utensils, the purchase of a television and camping equipment. The authors of the audit, made public by a Green city councillor, concluded cash payments may have led to misappropriation of funds. They pointed to some bills which appeared to have been paid several times, and others which appeared to be for fictitious items. Mr Chirac was also at the centre of a probe into large suspect cash payments he made for private trips abroad in the 1990s. He denied any impropriety.
"Mensonges! Tous mensonges!"
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It's a thought. Probably not going to happen, but a nice pipe dream nevertheless.
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The Hildebeest won't run for reelection in '06. She'll spend the next two years grooming her moderate credentials than bail to devote herself to her '08 run.
and thought he meant Don King! - now *there's* a fight, but I think Powell is too much of a gentleman to fight a lady.... ;)
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T(UK): She's no lady!
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AzCat, she has to run and win in 2006, for a simple reason: she needs to prove that she can be re-elected, and (thus) that voters support her ideas and plans. That gives her the political heft and moxie to run for President. If she doesn't run, she risks being tagged as a one-term lightweight -- first by her fellow Democrats, then by the Repubs.
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Powell has never been in an actual election, I doubt he'll start now.
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I don't think Gen'l Powell wants to run for election . . . to any office. Remember 1996, when there was a movement to get him to run against Clinton? He turned it down.
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I think Lucianne also has an article that she is running in '06.
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A lot of women like me would love to see a woman president, but question 1 shouldn't be whether the presidential candidate is a woman, but rather whether the presidential candidate has the right stuff. She doesn't.
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Shipman - Powell's the most overrated figure in US politics today. Anyone with his nose up the arse of Bob Woodward, who leaks to WaPo and the NYT as much as Powell did, is immediately suspect in my book.
#13
Powell vs. Rumsfeld: Rumsfeld's plan wins out (ie Rumsfeld thrashes him).
Powell vs. Dominque de Villepin: Frenchie publicly humiliates our Sec State before a global audience at the UN, sandbagging him and making the US look foolish.
Powell vs. Bush: Powell gets quoted more than all pther admin officials combined in Bob Woodward's book. Bush gets re-elected and forces Powell out.
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Steve - I disagree for a number of reasons, among them:
First and foremost the Clintons own and will likely continue to own the DNC. Hil gets the nod in '08 so long as that's true no matter what else happens between now and then. I don't see anyone defeating the DNC's annointed candidate.
Winning New York proves nothing. She needs to prove that she can win the south and midwest and she can't do that running for a Senate seat in NY. And however unlikely it might be, losing the NY seat would be a disaster. I just don't see a huge upside to a second run for her.
From Compass Direct
Iranian authorities moved Christian prisoner Hamid Pourmand to a military prison last week, deepening fears for the safety of the Protestant pastor jailed nine weeks ago. A former Muslim, Pourmand converted to Christianity nearly 25 years ago and was serving as lay pastor of a congregation in Bandar-i Bushehr when arrested on September 9. Married with two children, Pourmand is a colonel in the Iranian army. In recent months, prominent government officials have repeatedly denounced "foreign religions," which they accuse of threatening Iran's national security. In Iran's Islamic courts, a Muslim convicted of apostasy is subject to the death penalty, and several ex-Muslims who converted to Christianity have been covertly assassinated or executed by court order under the guise of spying for foreign countries.
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Some debate. You can always count on Islam to show its true face in the most violent and despicable manner when confronted with another belief system.
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Christianity produced martyrs (literally "witnesses" in Greek) a good while before Islam arose. He won't be the first Xian martyr and perhaps not the last .... I wish that weren't true, but it is likely to be so.
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RKB: That is true, but I don't count the Islamic ones as TRUE "martyrs." They are martyrs in that they are dying for their religion, but it isn't matyrdom (in my book) if you do the job yourself and look to take others with you.
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"Some debate. You can always count on Islam to show its true face in the most violent and despicable manner when confronted with another belief system. "
Are you familiar with the history of Christian-Jewish disputations in the middle ages?
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Today's X-ity has about as much in common with the X-ity of the middle ages as the web has in common with illuminated manuscripts. But Islam has not progressed, in fact has significantly regressed, since the twelfth century.
[the Iranpressnews - a publication of the emigre community]
A 14 year old boy is sentenced to 85 lashes for breaking his Ramadan fast !
A 14 year old boy died on Thursday, November 11th, after having received 85 lashes; according to the ruling of the Mullah judge of the public circuit court in the town of Sanandadj he was guilty of breaking his fast during the month of Ramadan...He was scheduled for burial on Saturday, November 13th (after 3 days at the local morgue), in the cemetery of Beheshteh Mohammadi in Sanandadj. However due to the publicÂŽs realization of the events surrounding the boyÂŽs circumstances the cemetery was stormed [in protest] and his burial did not take place. According to informed sources, supervisors have instructed that the burial take place in the presence of his closest relatives, surveyed by security forces. [well the RoP in Iran has some people ticked off]
Gawdawful pic at the link.
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Ok, so the sandwich was a no-no. Execution by flogging seems...somewhat harsh.
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They should grab the 'judge' who sentenced him and the brute who administered the lashes, organise a barbeque and invite any of Idi Amin's offspring who may have inherited his eating habits.
You know then the Iranians finally revolt, these guys will be the first ones hanging from phone poles with their guts ripped out on the ground below them.
"Under Iranian, any person who has reached the age of maturity -- considered nine-years-old for girls and 15 years for boys -- can be executed for capital offences."
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TS you forget -- the mad mullahs are The Revolution. And you are right, they are considerably worse than the aristocracy they overthrew (with James Earl Carter's tacit agreement). If you want to be pedantic, the next step will be the Restoration.... except it looks like the young people over there would prefer an Iraqi/Afghani/American style democracy instead.
I'm starting to enjoy living in interesting times! :-D
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When Allan created the universe, one of his main ideas was that 14-year-old boys who eat during Ramadan should be whipped to death.
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Faster, damnit.
Especially if the mullahs figure out how to play the national pride card re. developing nukes. If Iran is determined to go nuclear, and if a strike would unite the population behind the government, then our only hope is a normal, modern, democratic Iran.
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Ah... yes... the religion of Peace and Tolerence....
You realise that the age of 'maturity' for girls is 9 because the 'Prophet' Mohomand had 'consumated his marriage' (read raped) to a 9 year old girl. (She was physically unable to participate.)
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MULLAHS IN ECSTASY PERFORM A CHANT AFTER MUDRDER OF YOUTH FOR EATING DURING RAMADAN
Sing it loud
Allah Akhbar
Sing it Loud
ALLAH AKHBAR
Sing it loud
ALLAH AKHBAR
Sing it loud
ALLAH AKHBAR
Sing it loud
ALLAH AKHBAR
Sing it loud
ALLAH AKHBAR
Sing it loud
ALLAH AKHBAR
Sing it Sing it Sing it Sing it Sing it Sing it
HOORAY.
Intrangisent youth with the devil where he belongs!
You know then the Iranians finally revolt, these guys will be the first ones hanging from phone poles with their guts ripped out on the ground below them.
You know then the Iranians finally revolt, these guys will be the first ones hanging from phone poles with their guts ripped out on the ground below them.
Dusk crosses into night, and still Pekay isn't free. After a long day of walking from office to office, pleading with stubborn judges, her quest has failed: She's still married to her abusive husband. Once again, her memories take control. Her father's selling her in marriage to a man five times her age to pay the rent; the beatings and sodomy that followed. She was 9 years old.
Her mind drifts toward suicide. She's tried twice - first with a knife, then with kerosene and a match. Pekay is 13 now, one of thousands of girls and women who are trapped in forced marriages, caught between the rural, tribal and Islamic customs that ruled the country for centuries and the promise of a new Afghanistan ruled by laws that apply equally to everyone. Domestic violence is widespread, but most cases never go to court. The laws are weak, and women stay silent out of fear or shame: Divorce disgraces the family and the tribe. Each year, scores of Afghan women escape bad marriages by setting themselves on fire or other forms of suicide.
The Muslim fundamentalist Taliban regime collapsed three years ago. Hamid Karzai has won the country's first presidential elections. Women, who couldn't leave their homes freely in the old Afghanistan, voted in droves. Yet none of this momentous change has helped Pekay. Under Afghanistan's civil law, it's illegal for girls younger than 16 to marry. But the Supreme Court, led by conservative clerics and Islamic law, ruled that she can't get divorced, even from a violent child molester. Her last hope is that Fazal Hadi Shinwari, the ultra-conservative chief justice of the Supreme Court, will reverse the decision...
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As posted at the end of the article Fazal Hadi Shinwari granted her divorce:
Chief justice intervenes
Friends of the family got Pekay an appointment with Chief Justice Shinwari. They were educated women and now had a voice, if a faint one, in the new Afghanistan. It took them weeks, but they finally got a meeting for Pekay.
Shinwari, also a cleric, dispensed justice according to strict sharia. But he looked at Pekay's face and body, and listened to Pekay's witnesses. After considering the evidence, he approved Pekay's divorce.
Muhammad, however, is determined to get Pekay back.
"I'll die before divorcing her," he said. "I can't force her to come back to my house, but I can make sure she won't marry again. One day she'll come back. She has to."
When asked if he believed that women and men have equal rights, as Afghanistan's constitution states, Munib replied: "It's impossible. We are Muslims, and God has given a place for men and a place for women. We can't change that. Women don't have the same brains like men. They are very forgetful. They can't make big decisions. You should ask your own Western doctors about this. It has been proven that women are not like men."
Ok.. how about we ask the Dr. Condi Rice PhD (and future Secretary of State of the only superpower in the world)?
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Reading stuff like this just makes me happy that i live in a society where i get to make my own choices regarding my life.
I don't feel sorry for that girl at all, nor the millions of other Muslims around the world.
Sympathy towards Muslims & Islam is something that i am not compatible with & never will be.
Its not our fault they live in such a shit infested hell hole, ruled by retarded Sharia Laws that revolve around a pathetic religion known as Islam.
We've tried to help the Muslims countless numbers of times in the past and they just keep spitting in our faces.
Let their deaths be their freedom.
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poor girl , childhood stolen from her . These storys truely bring a tear to my eye . I am utterly gutted
The North Atlantic Treaty Organization has suggested that the Israel Defense Forces, for the first time, take part in multinational military exercises and participate in anti-terror activities such as patrols in the eastern Mediterranean Sea.
Damm, watch it with that feather.
NATO is also considering sending forces to the Gaza Strip after Israel implements the disengagement plan, if Israel and the Palestinian Authority reach an agreement on the withdrawal and ask for NATO help.
That'll be just after hell freezes over.
A military summit will be held in Brussels today, with the participation of the chiefs of staff of 26 NATO members and countries that have ties with the organization. For the first time, Israel will send a senior IDF representative to the summit: operations directorate chief Major General Yisrael Ziv, who was sent at the last minute in place of Chief of Staff Lieutenant General Moshe Ya'alon. NATO plans to upgrade what it calls the "Mediterranean dialogue" it is conducting with Israel and six Muslim nations: Egypt, Jordan, Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco and Mauretania.
We seem to be missing two other Mediterranean Arab states. Oh, that's right, Libya is a African state now.
This means that policy discussions will be conducted by leaders of a higher rank, and that the level of joint military operations will be raised through coordinated military exercises, the war on terrorism and weapons of mass destruction, and joint planning for civilian disaster readiness. The IDF's first-ever role in NATO military exercises is part of the organization's decision to invite the armies of the "Mediterranean dialogue" countries to take part in the exercises.
Arab seething in 5..4..
Seven exercises were proposed to the IDF, including training that will take place in Ukraine in June. NATO sources said experience has taught that it is worthwhile to start with sending officers from countries new to alliance activities to view multinational operations as a way of learning the methods. Diplomatic, not just military, dialogue is also on the agenda. Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom was invited to participate with his colleagues from the other "dialogue" nations, in a meeting with the NATO foreign ministers council which will meet in Brussels next month. In the last few weeks, the suggestion has been made in the United States and other Western nations that NATO should send its forces to the Gaza Strip after Israel pulls out. NATO Secretary-General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer told the Financial Times, in an interview published yesterday, that the ambassadors of the member nations would discuss the possibility of operating in Gaza, if Israel and the Palestinians reach an agreement and ask for NATO help.
We're busy, thanks.
De Hoop Scheffer wants the organization to play a diplomatic role, especially regarding strengthening the trans-Atlantic understanding that was somewhat disrupted by the war in Iraq. Last week he visited the U.S. and met with President Bush.
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This sems like awfully good news. What a November.
Were the French told? Perhaps they got the wrong date and that is what explains the sub visit.
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Nice one, Mrs. D. Indeed it's been the best November in memory. And more good things to come.
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Seven exercises were proposed to the IDF, including training that will take place in Ukraine in June.
Putin shuts down his Rantburg window and goes to Brussels.
Putin (busting down the door): "Vait, my friends, I hear that the Beslan region is nice in June. Vu don't vanna go doo Ukraine, dah?" (sorry, my Russian's not what it used to be.)
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"..possibility of operating in Gaza."
I can think of no better location for an anti-terrorist excercise. Might I suggest that Israel lead this one?
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Where the French told? Well the French have a very special position in Nato, perhaps their opinion wasn't asked.
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First, let me point out that this is just a hunch. I'll bet certain NATO member Nations are well aware of the invite to the Israel, and support it fully (behind the scenes mostly) because they can learn a lot from the Israelis.
Perhaps even as a way to spy on the abilities of a potential foe. Can anyone say Cockerel?
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United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan demanded what he called "hate media" be stopped immediately. Kofi ol' man sure stands up for his friends the French. Maybe he wants to retire to the French Riviera, living the high life on some "oil investments" he made "years ago". Otherwise, isn't it funny how the French aren't getting roundly condemned by the internationalists for engaging in "unilateral, aggressive, colonial war"?
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Mr. Annan apparently sees no double standard in his stance on 'hate media': there is that terrible "anti-white" hate media in the Ivory Coast (which he deplores for the sake of his French "colleagues") and there is that wonderful anti-American hate media in Europe and the international community (which he adores for the detriment of his American "colleagues").
Belarus conceded on Thursday that mercenaries from the former Soviet republic may be in strife-torn Ivory Coast, where they have been accused of piloting planes that carried out a fatal attack on French peace-keepers. "There are no Belarussian servicemen in Ivory Coast but we don't answer for former military personnel," Belarus airforce spokesman Vladimir Lavrinyuk said. Nine French peacekeepers and a US civilian were killed earlier this month when government SU-25 jets bombed a French military camp in Bouake in the course of what the government said were air strikes on rebel positions. French air forces responded by destroying almost all of Ivory Coast's tiny air force, which consisted of four SU-25 jets and some Mi-24 and Mi-8 helicopters acquired from Belarus. The French and US governments said the SU-25s were piloted by mercenaries from Belarus.
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Niger's first elected leader to see his term through without assassination or overthrow faced five challengers Tuesday in an election that aims to consolidate democracy in the coup-prone nation. Helicopters shuttled ballots to remote nomads on the Sahara's edge. President Mamadou Tandja voted early at the capital, Niamey, urging his 5.3 million fellow voters to "go vote in calm and in serenity." Tandja first won elections overseen by a transition government in 1999, after presidential guards armed with an anti-aircraft gun assassinated his military predecessor on the tarmac at an airport ceremony.
Musta looked like a red Swiss cheese when they were done with him...
Tandja, 66, won 60 percent of the vote five years ago in the uranium-rich, cash-poor nation. He was expected to prevail in the new elections, which will go to a second round if no candidate wins an outright majority.
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A multi-volume chronology and reference guide set detailing three years of the Mexican Drug War between 2010 and 2012.
Rantburg.com and borderlandbeat.com correspondent and author Chris Covert presents his first non-fiction work detailing
the drug and gang related violence in Mexico.
Chris gives us Mexican press dispatches of drug and gang war violence
over three years, presented in a multi volume set intended to chronicle the death, violence and mayhem which has
dominated Mexico for six years.
Rantburg was assembled from recycled algorithms in the United States of America. No
trees were destroyed in the production of this weblog. We did hurt some, though. Sorry.
Clitorectomies. Stonings. WTC. Beheadings. Beslan. Honor Killings. 14 yr olds given 85 lashes for breaking Ramadan fast.
