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The German government will try next month to auction off part of a 10,000 room hotel complex built by the Nazis as a holiday resort for soldiers and workers. Adolf Hitler commissioned the holiday camp at Prora on the Baltic island of Ruegen in the 1930s as part of the Nazis' "Kraft durch Freude" ("Strength Through Joy") program to create a healthy, strong nation capable of conquering the world. Ahh, the good ol' days. Nazi scum.
The outbreak of World War II meant the building was never opened as a hotel. The eight austere concrete blocks, resembling a government ministry, were used as a shelter for bombed-out goose-steppers refugees during the war, and as a barracks afterwards... Hitler's concept behind the Prora project was to provide affordable holidays for up to 20,000 people at a time in what would have been one of the world's first mass tourist resorts. That Hitler. What an innovator.
Each room was supposed to be identical offering a sea view. The huge buildings, designed along utilitarian principles, evoke the Nazis' love of the bombastic and hatred of individuality. You mean Nazis hated individuality? Reuters editors must be slipping to let that comment through... Continued on Page 49
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I just read about this in "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich". Everyone who had a job in the Third Reich had to belong to the official union, and the union would take a bit out of your paycheck to help pay for vacations at spots like this one.
Of course, the union was controlled by the Nazi party, and the party skimmed quite a chunk of cash out of the union funds. The vacations were cheap, but were run even cheaper, and doubled as Nazi indoctrination camps.
This place should be flattened and the debris dumped into a deep, deep part of the ocean.
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I need to drag out R&F again for my 10 year reading.
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Chris W, your snarky comment about Jews was uncalled for.
It was a comment about people like Schwartz who wish that we "would learn to forget about the past", which in this case means to forget that these giant resorts were built with blood money stolen from murdered German and European Jews, and I will not retract it.
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He didn't say "learn to forget about the past", he said "learn to get over the past".
Maybe still not pretty. But if they manage to put a Nazi building to good use, I won't complain. And keeping the building will tell people more about the monstrosity of the Nazi past than removing it.
You don't knock down the Pyramides because they were built with slaves and certainly a lot of blood (not that I'm comparing the architectonic value of both buildings).
Kinda makes you wonder if there'll be one born every minute in the future, too...
Fred, send him a couple bucks and find out!
Q: How does this work?
A: Current scientific theory states that Time Travel may be possible, however the technology is a long way off, perhaps hundreds of years in the future. Now, assume it does become possible in say, 500 years. As with any technology, Time Travel will get less expensive as time goes on. Just as the price of a VCR has dropped to less than $70 from the several hundred dollars it cost just ten years ago, Time Travel, once it becomes feasible, will initially be very expensive yet it will become more and more economical as time goes by.
Q: How does this help me?
A: The concept is that one day, it may be possible for people living far in the future to retrieve you from your current frame of reference (their past - your present) and bring you into the future (their present - your future.)
Q: Why would they want to?
A: That is the purpose of the fund. The simple answer is, we pay them to bring you into the future. ...because, y'see, there's a definite shortage of dim-bulbs in the future...
Q: Are there any restrictions?
A: Yes, several: You will not be retrieved if you die by suicide. Sorry, but we don't want your family blaming us for you killing yourself because you think you will get to the future sooner. You will not be retrieved if you die by execution, or are killed in the process of, or the result of, committing a crime. You are responsible for your actions, and the fund is not an excuse for you to take your frustrations out on society. (Note: You are not automatically excluded if you are the victim of a crime.)
There are no guarantees. None whatsoever. This is pure speculation, but it is a chance. Should something happen such as the people of the earth bombing themselves back to the stone age, you probably won't be retrieved. The fund is a chance to visit the future, not a guarantee. If you want a guarantee, go buy a savings bond and wait for seven years.
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I'll be sure to sign up just as soon as I email my checking account number to the exiled Queen of Nigeria who's been asking for my help lately with the promise of getting a cut of their vast fortune.
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Chris, you too? I've gotten 5 of those just this week. I forward them to Muck4doo. I don't personnally believe it will be possible to travel backwards in time. Forward, maybe but not backward. One would have to travel in time and space backward. It makes my head hurt thinking about it.
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08/26/2004 12:48 Comments ||
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Those people from the future - they'll take our jaaaaaaabs!
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08/26/2004 12:49 Comments ||
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I wrote them a check, in 2035, backdated to now.
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08/26/2004 13:00 Comments ||
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Are we there yet?...Are we there yet?...Are we there yet?...
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Bah. I've had my reservations in at Milliways for years. Only cost a penny, but it should pay for QUITE a meal by the time they call me for my table.
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This is almost as good as the Lost Nigerian Cosmonaut Email Scam.
Although if time travel works as described in (among other places) the John Titor Hoax then you can't travel back to the same timeline you left with any great confidence.
Buyer beware: dimensional integrity not guaranteed.
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Are Darwin Award recipients elgible?
I'd like to see that sign up list. A mass marketer's dream come true.
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Why can't I think of scams like this? I could be rollin' in dough...
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my luck: I'll get a guy in the future who procrastinates....
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ima fale see any humor in this. if you were tell peples 500 years ago that we are now can fly across europe in hours or to america in hours they are wuldve laff! they would laff to if you were tell them they are can hold a conversation with someone thousands miles away to. who in laffing now!
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This vaguely reminds me of the fund Franklin set up to finance (medical scholarships?) education using his advanced understanding of compound interest. It worked too.
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Yeah, Mucky will get in on the ground floor of this, become the richest man on the planet, and we'll all be kicking ourselves in the ass that we gave it a pass.
Do tell? When did that start?
... The Americans are different from us and here are some examples. They resent their dependence on our oil because they are used to finding and inventing things while catering for themselves and helping themselves in this life. They are vocal about this resentment. Therefore, there are no hidden issues. At the same time, they work hard and invest heavily to find other means.
One day, perhaps, Arabs can go back to their treasured tribal traditions as they sit on piles of sand, their most valuable resource, in splendid isolation...
We, on the other hand, watch their movies, eat their junk food, drive their cars, fly in their planes, and use their currency. All the while, we are inventing nothing and investing in the void. Yet, we see ourselves as morally superior.
We Americans perceive this as arrogance, though in reality it's... uhhh... something else. I guess..
If someone around here finds it in him or herself to stand up to corrupt authority at school or the office, he is labeled a "troublemaker." The end of the road to such a person is all too obvious. In America, such a person would have a bright career ahead. Even Ralph Nader found a niche to snuggle into. The reason for this is that Americans, before becoming Americans, had a proactive Robin Hood and William Tell in their history. We only have passive martyrs.
Since becoming Americans we've had Washington and Lincoln and Davy Crockett and Daniel Boone and Sam Houston, both General Custer and Sitting Bull, Horace Greeley, H.L. Menken, Geronimo, Stephen Decatur, John Wesley Hardin, Al Capone, Elliott Ness, General Pershing, J. Edgar Hoover, Huey Long, and thousands of others. Most would have had their heads cut off, had they been Arabians.
Eleanor Roosevelt, Sally Ride and Sacagawea would have had some trouble in Arabia, too, I'm just guessing.
The concept of dignity in America is individual. Ours is collective.
Bingo! This is the crucial point...
What I mean is that an American sees himself as an independent unit within a whole. We see ourselves as dependant units that make a whole.
... as faceless masses, in fact, ruled, rather than governed.
Our dignity is that of our leader, not ours individually.
The very essence of literal fascism: Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuehrer...
How else could you explain the presence of so many who are actually willing to die for a man like Moqtada Sadr? Historically, Shiite theologians and imams were known for superlative eloquence and impressive scholarship, neither of which this man seems to have. He can hardly string three words in one simple sentence.
He's a small-time thug who made good, but the author's right. Iraqis are so used to hollering "Saddam we will defend you with our blood" that all they had to do was change the name. When Tater's gone, they'll come up with someone else to defend with their blood. Maybe a hundred years from now they'll be willing to defend themselves with their blood, though not if the Islamists have their way.
Both Arabs and Americans are judgmental in nature. Where we differ is in the consequences. We sit back and cry foul, they jump to their feet and go investigate. This simple difference means that they have the chance to see differently and perhaps change their judgment, while we are stuck in ours for a thousand years.
It also gives us the incentive to fix things that don't work and to abolish things that are wrong...
Che Guevara, though not a Bin Laden or a North American, gave up his bourgeois life and went into the jungle. He was honest enough to flaunt his little bourgeois vice of cigar smoking in public.
Che was superbly competent at executing unarmed men. He could fit right into Arabia.
The Cave man [bin Laden] is not that honest. I wonder what little vice (apart from seeing people blown to smithereens) keeps that man going.
It's that desire for the jewelled turban, the urge to see all the little people bowing toward him, the urge to have his hand kissed. His ego's big enough to see himself as not being a part of the faceless masses. His culture's restrictive enough and his soul's small enough that he can't imagine a world in which his fellow man isn't...
For those who think me too accommodating of the Americans, here's something where we come together like two odd thumbs. Their men of the cloth (those with puffed hair and polished nails) and ours, hark back to biblical times while shamelessly enjoying the rewards of this modern world.
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This come from The Green Truth?
*thump thump gurgle thump thump*
Be still my beating heart! My pills!
He's only 5 or 6 good ClueBat whacks from a home run! The lynchpin of individuality - especially individual dignity and self reliance! Wow! And he hit other buttons scattered over the board. I'm sorta impressed... (I hate to be a killjoy) but in the same way I was with a Saudi programmer who didn't completely suck or skate all day without working... In Saudi Arabia, he was a relative phreakin' genius. In the West, he'd max out at mediocre. Still, he hit buttons - and he hit them on purpose...
If people there keep bracketing the key points with shots like this - sooner or later the literate Saudis will see it. Embracing it is something else, but hell, you do have to see it first, so credit where due.
I hope this guy isn't sacked or thrashed for writing this piece. *golf clap*
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At the risk of sounding like a terminal liberal arts geek, all this guy is doing is recycling V.S. Naipal(sp?) Among the Believers. Still, I also agree with Dot Com that this guy is dangerously close to getting it.
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Naipaul. Funnily enough, I had a book of short stories on my desk containing a sketch his from his novel 'Miguel Street', recently serialized on BBC World Service Radio. The BBC can produce good stuff - when they're not busy tripping over their own political correctness.
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Self-critiquing from the Arab world? Good! This is where the beginning of the end of this WoT starts. The big tasks of self-critique and change remain: stopping jihadis from using violence to force Islam on the rest of the world, and raising the status of women from furniture/slaves to human beings. How many decades/centuries will that take, do you think?
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Jeebus, somebody whupped that boy upside the head with a clue X 4. I would pick one little nit: we don't resent our dependence on their oil simply because we are independent. It's trade, and I think most people would be content to buy a product from abroad that they can't produce locally. What we resent is that the oil ticks are turning around and using that money to further their religious expansionism, in ways that are detrimental to our safety and way of life.
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Arabnews is an English language paper and it's target audiences are the expats in SA and the unsuspecting foreigners outside. I would place much more credibility on what the Arabic language papers have to say.
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We see ourselves as dependant units that make a whole.
Translation - they're the Borg without the technology.
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This guy has actually hit some nails right on the head. Could he petition Naif or Abdullah at the next weekly majlis?
BH: Like all generalities, there are exceptions. I agree with you that we don't resent their oil since it's just business. But the "we" doesn't include Kerry, Teresa, and other camp followers. If you're this writer, and you watch US network news, you'd think that Kerry is right on all things, therefore he's gotta think we got it in for the MK.
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Shipman,
I belive it was F. Scott Fitzgerald who said "the rich are different from the rest of us".
Ernest Hemingway's reply was "yes, they have more money".
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"Historically, Shiite theologians and imams were known for superlative eloquence and impressive scholarship, neither of which this man [Sadr] seems to have. He can hardly string three words in one simple sentence."
Hey guys - wasn't I saying this the other day?
Think ArabNews reads Rantburg?
Nah - I just wanted to let you guys know what the US Mainstream Media is hiding from you:
Sadr is looked down upon by most Shia, all Sunnis (except those that find himto be a convenient tool) and almost all secular Iraqis.
The only people floating his banner are the mutts that he broke out of prison, the Iranians who need him around, a few gullible fundamentalists, Zarqari and others who cane use him as a disrutpvie force to their ends, and those on the take in the ghettos in Baghdad where he is cashing in on his father's reputation.
This mook is finally being exposed for what he is, yet Dan Blather and the US press keep painting a demonstrably false picture because it serves their political side to have Iraq remain unsettled.
Michael Howard, the leader of the Tories, has attacked the culture of "political correctness" that he says is undermining British values. Ordinary people are being "driven crazy" by the Government's PC meddling, Mr Howard told an audience in Stafford. The phenomenon "offends" rather than strengthens the country's tolerance.
His address was pre-empted in part by the Government's call for a return to competitive games in schools. However, Mr Howard said: "In Britain today, political correctness has gone mad. And it is driving people crazy. There are so many examples of political correctness, it's hard to know where to start. In 2000, a Government-backed booklet warned nursery teachers that playing 'musical chairs' encouraged aggressive behaviour. In 2002, the Government advised schools to replace traditional sports days with group 'problem-solving' exercises. Of course everyone should be treated fairly and equally before the law. But a culture which fails to distinguish between right and wrong, in the name of equal 'rights' for all, is a distorted culture. Political correctness is a culture that offends our nation's sense of tolerance, our sense of honesty, our sense of balance. Whenever there is a conflict between political correctness and common sense, let me tell you where I stand. I stand firmly on the side of common sense. Common sense, decency, humanity are qualities which the British people have in abundance. These are the qualities we need to cherish."
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Common sense, decency, humanity are qualities which the British people have in abundance.
Pfffft.
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I remember seeing a report on this on TV. Some of the Nanny-Gestapo were criticizing a children's book containing a story about horses because the black horse was a villian. I thought then the woman complaining should have (excuse the vulgarity) the cork blocking her anal orafice surgically removed. I thought that would make her feel better.
via Local6.com Woman Found Packed In Wooden Crate At Airport Cuban Woman Flies From Bahamas To Miami
5:47 pm EDT August 25, 2004
A Cuban woman is in good condition Wednesday after being found inside a wooden crate that was loaded in a cargo plane from the Bahamas to Miami. A DHL cargo crew found the woman curled up inside the crate the size of a small filing cabinet after workers unloaded it late Tuesday at Miami International Airport. The woman, who did not require medical treatment, was taken to an immigration center for processing and was to be released, immigration spokeswoman Barbara Gonzalez said Wednesday. Under the so-called wet-foot, dry-foot policy, Cubans who reach U.S. soil are usually allowed to stay, while most picked up at sea are sent home. Zach Mann, spokesman for Customs and Border Protection, said the woman was in her early 20s.
... and double-jointed...
A third-party contractor flies the 180-mile route from the Bahamas to Miami for DHL, which said it was investigating the woman's flight. Federal officials and DHL released no information on how long the woman was in the Bahamas and whether she flew out of Cuba in the crate as well. The U.S. attorney's office had no comment. The woman, whose name was not released, shipped herself as cargo "apparently with the assistance of others," Mann said. "Certainly she's lucky to be alive."
I doubt if she closed up her own shipping crate...
The one-hour flight would stay in freezing temperatures for only a short period, reducing the risk of exposure to the cold, Mann said. In March, a stowaway from the Dominican Republic was sent home after he flew to Miami in the wheel well of an American Airlines jet. In February, a homesick man who shipped himself in a wooden cargo crate from New York to Dallas was fined $1,500 and sentenced to four months of house arrest as an illegal stowaway. Necessity (actually Desire) becomes Mother of Invention. I see a DHL commercial in her future.
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"DHL. We move the world." (and people too, apparently)
Chen Shih-Hsin outpointed world silver medallist Yanelis Labrada of Cuba in the women's under-49 flyweight final to win Taiwan's first-ever Olympic taekwondo gold medal. The two fighters fought even in the first two-minute round at two points each. The 25-year-old Chen went ahead to 5-3 in the second round. She kept her points lead in the third round to win her first-ever global title at 6-4. Taiwan won two bronze medals when the Korean-born combat sport made its Olympic debut at the 2000 Sydney Games. Yaowapa Boorapolchai of Thailand narrowly outpointed Colombian Gladys Alicia Mora Romero in the play-off for bronze. Note : CHU Mu-Yen also won the Mens Taekwon-do gold in the 58kg class
If you look down the list you will see "TPE"
with 2 golds. That odd flag is the flag of the Taiwan Olympic Committee. The mainland has a "Fred Sanford" (Elizabeth , I comin' to join ya') moment at the sight of the Taiwan (Rep of China) flag, so the Taiwan gov't compromised so that the athletes could compete.
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I posted this (excerpts) on LGF about the subject:
I can assure you that this film is an excellent one. The film will only start on Sept. 16th, but I have been able to see it already, along with other victims of the Nazi regime.
Bernd Eichinger (You remember "Das Boot"?) has done some excellent work here. Any "endearing" moments are brutally undercut by showing Hitler's true face, and it sometimes it sends shivers down your spine.
The actor Bruno Ganz is excellent and while some scenes might be debatable (as in every movie) there is nothing to be alarmed about, quite to the contrary.
Nobody will leave the cinema with a "better" view of Hitler, just with a more realistic one.
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There is a problem with the "abstractness" of horror. When you read about 6 million Jews who were killed... you can't grab it. It's a number, statistics. You see a pile of hundred dead bodies... this will get your attention. But you probably understand more about the Shoah if you follow the destiny of individuals... with close ups. Well maybe you can't really, but you must try. The fate of Anne Frank has made more people read about the Nazi horrors than all history books offering detailed scientific analysis about the millions who died.
And Hitler? Up to now, the "visual" Hitler has largely been a demon, a grotesque yelling man in front of ekstatic crowds. He doesn't seem "real". We know what he said and did, we may see the absolute evil, but we can't fully "grab" him... he remains elusive, a phantom, a monster.
This film is different. It offers close ups. It shows a "human" Hitler, but "human" isn't meant to be endearing, asking for sympathy. It reduces him, it shows him as the apalling "miserable" being he was: A man who would play with his dog or pat Goebbels little blonde children and then explode into a rage and sign death penalties, spewing hate against Jews and German "traitors", while a few meters above him the world falls into ruins. You feel the claustrophobic atmosphere in the bunker, with all its unglorious misery, far from any pathetic Wagnerian Goetterdaemmerung.
In some sense this movie does what the Americans did to Saddam when they showed his dental exam. A close up with the "real" man. A man who tortured, killed, gassed thousands, sent hundredthousands into war, sucked his country dry, a megalomanic wannabe Saladin... and here he was, a dirty coward dragged from the hole he was hiding in. This is what is meant by showing the "human" face of a demon.
The film could always have done better. But believe me, nobody will leave the theater with the impression: Well Hitler was bad but...
In the end, there is no but... Just wondering what a "human being" can become.
Via Samizdata - Geez, I almost put this under 5th column.
..."As I am not a historian I cannot vouch for the accuracy (or otherwise) of the various factual claims and I suppose it behoves me to point out that the Bruges Group is a think-tank staffed mainly by Conservatives who take a famously hostile view of the European Union...."
2004 is a year of three sad anniversaries in the unhappy relationship between Britain and France. Ninety years ago in August 1914 Britain was dragged into a war between France and Germany for which France was largely to blame. It was that French war that fatally undermined British power and thus Britain's ability and willingness to withstand the Nazi and Soviet threats that were the very consequence of the war that France began.
Not for the first time France had reduced Europe to ruins with her insane and criminal aggression. There ought to be a monument in English in Compiegne pointing this out. Britain's real folly though took place ten years earlier, one hundred years ago in 1904, when we agreed to the Entente Cordiale. The fact that it is always referred to in French tells us exactly who the beneficiary was. Without it Britain might well have prevaricated over and merely blustered about the German decision to send its troops through Belgium to get to France after war had broken out in 1914. More to the point the French might have had the sense not to go to war with their more powerful neighbour, Germany, if they had been fearful of what an unpredictable Britain might do....
Read the rest
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Problem is France had an alliance w/Russia,while merely an informal understanding w/Britain.And France would not have had that understanding w/out the Kaiser's Germany p****ing off Britain over fleet construction.There is also little matter that France neither started WW1,nor wanted it to happen for several years to come.France(and Germany)discounted British ability to contribute to land operations,France was counting on Russia to help win any war w/Germany.And Russia was several years away from recovering from 1905 Russian-Japanese War fiasco.In fact,if Britain had had a formal alliance w/France there is strong possibility Kaiser would not have agreed to giving Austria the "blank check"that caused WW1.A more appropriate lesson the British might have learned from WW1 is that keeping all your options open,that keeping everyone guessing as to your policy is not the best way to conduct foreign policy,that it is better if the world knows where you stand.
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Fifty of the country's leading anarchists are expected to be in the city for the Republican National Convention, and a handful of them are hard-core extremists with histories of violent and disruptive tactics, according to police intelligence sources. Police said each of the 50 have up to 50 followers who are willing to be arrested during disturbances at the convention.
Anarchists have "followers"?
This group, police say, is expected to engage for the most part in civil disobedience, including sit-ins in front of delegates' buses. They also may stage more direct-action tactics, such as vandalizing McDonald's and Starbucks. But a handful of activists with violent pasts have police concerned they will recruit others into dangerous confrontations. "The older radicals are interacting with the newer anarchists and it's a bad mix," said one police source. For example, NYPD intelligence reports say Kazi Toure, a Black Panther from Boston also known as Christopher King, convicted in the 1980s of conspiracy to overthrow the government, and with arrests for bank robbery and transporting firearms, was observed training younger militants in weapons use. This common criminal's adopted name is apparently from Sekou Toure, the one-time dictator of Guinea, who was sort of a pipsqueak Castro and a favorite of American radical-chic conformists in the 60s.
And a 20-year-old New Yorker who allegedly leads "The Organization" is advocating shutting down the Brooklyn Bridge, and hurling bricks followed by Molotov cocktails through the windows of military recruiting stations, according to these reports. The man has four minor arrests for nonviolent offenses and the Daily News is withholding his name. Such quaint terms as "inciting to riot" and "treason" used to be applied to these forms of expression. Trustafarian status-seekers will refer to them as the "people's right to assemble" or the "right to peaceful protest." In their demented lexicon, "peaceful" means "anything that raises our status and feeds our egoes."
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I'm just wondering if HaliburtonChaineythe IlluminatiInsert your favorite conspiracy here the party leadership is wondering if it could somehow use these idiots protestors in the same way nixon did in '68
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"Since his release from federal prison, he has been involved in various groups, and has arrests for minor offenses such as refusing to move out of the way of President Bushâs motorcade in Boston last March."
He should try it in China. Tianemen Square, ideally.
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NYC should invite a few roving bands of Marines and Rangers. Show them the Seattle riot videos and declare open season on these anarchist, socialist international, and Muslim loving assholes.
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I just hope the NYPD has like a Big Giant Rock 'em Sock 'em Robot Puppet to beat the shit out of their Big Giant Protest Puppets. And some off duty Philly cops to deal with the Free Mumia crowd.
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I have always been a big proponent of âspare the baton, spoil the protestor.â As soon as two of these yayhoos get together play a nice game of whack a mole with them. Since they have only one stated purpose (disruption), and said purpose is deemed illegal, why not just throw the whole bunch in for conspiracy to incite? There is a right to peacefully assemble in protest, but this group has no plans for doing that. Bust em and break em!
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Any protester throwing bricks or molotov's should be shot. These guys should be treated as terrorists and enemy combantants. Even if only half of them die, I think it'll send the proper message that if you want to protest, protest, you want to commit acts of terror, you assume room temperature.
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CF - good point. We could play religious music. Nooooooooooo!! Make it stop!!
Is it just me, or is that whole NUDE and AIDS thing kinda ..creepy. Sexy it's not. I think most of us would prefer to see AIDS activists fully clothed.
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Set up two speakers at either end of this crowd. Out of one, play the "Internationale". Out of the other, play the "Horst Wessel Song".
Any bets on which direction they would move towards? I think they'd just go around in circles, confused as to which was dearest to their hearts.
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I doubt the native NYers will stay quiet if the shit gets out of hand. They of all people remember 9/11, and a few thousand stinky hippies would be no match for your average pissed off New Yorker.
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Cyber Sarge, you really should issue drink alerts for these lines:
I have always been a big proponent of âspare the baton, spoil the protestor.â
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via SFGate Judge denies anti-war group's plea to rally against Republicans in Central Park
A judge rejected a last-minute plea from anti-war activists seeking to hold a massive rally in Central Park the day before the Republican convention, saying they were too late.
"Sorry. All booked up!"
The group said it would cancel the rally, but still planned to march to Madison Square Garden, the convention site. State Supreme Court Justice Jacqueline Silbermann ruled Wednesday that United for Peace and Justice was "guilty of inexcusable and inequitable delay" in bringing the case to court after months of back-and-forth negotiations over plans for the Sunday demonstration. Large numbers of protesters still are expected to flock to the park.
"Permit? We don' need no steenkin' permit!"
The anti-war coalition sued the city last week after pulling out of a deal to hold the rally on a west Manhattan highway following a march from 23rd Street to the Garden. The event is expected to draw 250,000 people, and the Parks Department said that would ruin the park's lawn. United for Peace and Justice had sought an order prohibiting the city from denying its use of the park, noting that the area has been used for events including a Dave Matthews show that drew more than 70,000 spectators and performances by the New York City Opera and the New York Philharmonic attended by tens of thousands.
Maybe United for Piss and Justice should consider singing?
It was damned bastards last year, "idiots" this year. Canadian Member of Parliament Carolyn Parrish had said she hated "damned Americans" and called them bastards in the run-up to the Iraq war. She found a new moniker, idiots, on Wednesday in discussing the planned U.S. missile defense system. "We are not joining the coalition of the idiots. We are joining the coalition of the wise," the Liberal legislator told a small group of demonstrators.
Then do so. Don't bother us anymore.
Parrish, who had to apologize for her "bastards" remarks last year, at first denied using the word idiots, and when reporters pointed out they had her remarks on tape, she said: "I don't mean Americans are idiots." Parrish then begged reporters not to use the remarks: "Please guys don't put that on tape," she said. "I already got into trouble once.... Really, please, I've had enough trouble." Four hours later, however, she hardened her line. "The last one was a really stupid thing to say," she told Reuters. "Bastards is an inappropriate word. Idiots is a term people use in everyday conversation," she told Reuters. "They tortured people in Iraq, they (the Iraqis) have no weapons of mass destruction. Could somebody explain to me whether you think they're idiots or geniuses?"
The top spokeswoman for former Prime Minister Jean Chretien, Francoise Ducros, had to resign in 2002 for calling President Bush a moron. Chretien's successor, Prime Minister Paul Martin, has pledged to put relations with Canada's largest trading partner on a warmer footing. Martin said after Parrish's latest remarks that the debate about missile defense, intended to guard against attacks from what the United States calls rogue states, was "very, very important."
"Why, yes, thank you. I'd love another glass of warm milk..."
"There is no room in this debate for that kind of language," he told reporters, waving his hand dismissively. "You're going to get very strongly held views but let me tell you those strongly held views have got to be expressed in language that is acceptable." But Parrish refused to back down. "That's Mr. Martin's opinion," she told Reuters. "No, I'm not going to apologize."
You don't have to apologize. Just piss off.
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That's OK Mister Priome Minister. Probably Ms. Parrish is suffering from some disease, and is undergoing a treatment of medical marijuana, which we understand is legal in Canada.
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U Amewicans r a bunch of stopid-heads!
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In related news,displaying the backbone Canadians are known the world over for,a Canadian Olympics judge admitted he changed his score...because the crowd was booing!
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OK - I am Canadian and proud of it. Parrish is an idiot - simple as that. You elect 300 or so MPs and you are bound to get a few like her. She likes to shoot her mouth off on topics she knows nothing about. (In fact we have a few worse than her but they speak French so it never makes it into the US papers)
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No apologies needed Canuck, we know there's a few Canadians with their heads stuck on straight up there. Rantburg has several intelligent, anti-idiotarian Canadian commentators and we welcome you to the fray.
Speaking of Canada, I'll be visiting T.O. over the Labour Day holiday. Any of my Canuckistan friends up for a drink?
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She's no better or worse than Barbara Boxer or Nancy Pelosi or Patty Murray or...
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Canuck, it doesn't sound as if Parrish is actively subverting Canadian security. Will you take an exchange for Carol Mosely Braun? We'll throw in a 55-gallon drum of fresh New Orleans gumbo.
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"There is no room in this debate for that kind of language," he told reporters, waving his hand dismissively.
"Dammit, Carolyn! You can't just call them idiots! We're trying to get under their defense system for free here, show some fake respect!"
It's prob'ly our fault. We shouldn't have made that "Strange Brew" movie...
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Good point, Frank. We have our own share of loose cannons. besides which, who cares what Parrish says -it's what regular Canadians are DOING in Afghanistan and in Iraq now - that counts. Link
"Canadians part of NATO training mission in Iraq"
August 26, 2004 Toronto Star BAGHDAD - A tiny NATO training team that is instructing senior Iraqi military officers will stay in Iraq "for the foreseeable future" with the possibility of expanding its ranks as soon as next month, the head of the mission, Dutch Maj.-Gen. Karel Hilderink, said today...The 12 member countries involved are Bulgaria, Canada, Denmark, Hungary, Italy, The Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Romania, Turkey, Britain and the United States.
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Moderators - please fix Rex's oversize link - and Rex, please use an anchor href HTML tag for a link that long - it "widens" the page making it neccesary to scroll to read back and forth.
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Sorry. I should have just given the To. Star's url[anchor href HTML tag?] and let people link to the article from there. I will do that next time.
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no prob - lesson learned
Frank
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Not sure how to edit that URL down. Prolly Fred can. Links in comments are easy as pie:
1. Type your comment.
2. Highlight the word/phrase you wish to link.
3. Copy the url for the link right out of the browser window.
4. Hit the link button in the RB comment window. A "link window" will open up.
5. Paste the url into the link window, click "OK".
6. Fred fills in the html, link is added, everyone's happy.
IMO it's the easiest link interface in the blogosphere. Thanks, Fred!
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Canuck you are stuck with Parrish; I am stuck with Kerry (who speaks French; and did you know he served in Vietnam?). See, it could be worse.
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Well John Gibson notes we do a billion dollars a day in trade with Canada. Something tells me if we pulled the plug on half of that the Canada would colapse in 2 days. Just shut the border for a week and close our ports to vessles with Canadian cargoes or owners. Then see what happens. People in the north east US would have to do with out electricty for a few days. Maybe Canada would wake up.
The problem is most of the Canadians who love us live here in the US already.
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Something tells me if we pulled the plug on half of that the Canada would colapse in 2 days.
And what, exactly, would that do to the US?
A more effective tactic is to simply ignore them. It REALLY gets under their skin.
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close our ports to vessles with Canadian cargoes or owners. Then see what happens
Err...Alberta's oil and gas are not something we would want to bar from crossing our borders.
Canada is the world's 3rd largest natural gas producer and the world's 9th largest crude oil producer. Canada is the largest supplier of energy to the USA. In terms of crude oil reserves in the world, Canada is second only to Saudi Arabia.
Source: information presented to the Woodrow Wilson Forum on Cross Border Trade by the Cdn. Association of Petroleum Producers. I hope I get the link thingie done right-here goes... http://www.capp.ca/raw.asp?NOSTAT=YES&dt=PDF&dn=70740
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Oh so we are going to be hostage to oil and power? I say send the message. The US needs to wake up. We are too dependent on others for everything. The damm Dems and enviros are just like this flakey bitch and the Canadians that think like her. It's time we demand the US become enegry self sufficent. Oh I forgot the Dems and evniros are standing in the way of that.
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Canada is the largest supplier of water to the USA :-P
Parrish is the idiot. If there is anyone she should apologize to besides the US, it's to all those people working in the hospitality industry.
I wish I could say she was an insignificant bag of air, but, a good portion of people actually voted for her. Losers and idiots all of them.
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BTW, if I recall correctly, water was exempted as a special resource under NAFTA.
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Actually, scratch my last comment. Water is not exempted in NAFTA. It is treated like any other commodity. But there are restrictions to its trade (not in NAFTA), and that's where the legal debate starts.
Sorry for the misinformation.
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Some comments
- as stated earlier, Parish is an idiot. There was a comment that a number of people voted for her. Well, yes. In one riding that was contested by three parties. She did not get a majority of the votes in her riding. She is not in Cabinet and may not be in the Liberal Party soon.
- yes, of course, you can destroy our economy in a few days if you shut the border to trade. And it wouldn't be a bad lesson for us, actually. But you (the US) are the ones buying the stuff and it would also cripple the economies of all your border states. Sure, you could probably replace it with your own industries in a generation but there is still an economic reason why you are buying the stuff.
- the US goal should be to put constant pressure on us from the US Gov't and other allies to increase our defense spending - not damaging both our economies.
- yes, ignoring us really pisses us off. "Blame it on Canada" made us feel important (not kidding)
- Canada has a "style" of saying one thing for the domestic audience and actually doing something else. With respect to the WOT, Canada has the largest military presence in the middle east than any nation other than Britian and the US - including the Aussies. That includes Army, Navy and Air Force.
- We don't spend enough on our military but what our men and women do in theatre is pretty significant.
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- yes, ignoring us really pisses us off. "Blame it on Canada" made us feel important (not kidding)
In the interest of good mutual relations, we present the credentials of our new ambassador, Triumph the Insult Comic Dog. Now what inbred, French poodle riding does Parrish represent? 'Cause Triumph needs a new b!tch.
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This is rich in the "Landslide Annie" link "Peggy Morton,Marxist-Leninist Party of Canada,78"
Rock -n- Roll, Beer, Morons and Voting
K L Marsala
"If you're listening to a rock star in order to get your information on who to vote for, you're a bigger moron than they are. Why are we rock stars? Because we're morons. We sleep all day, we play music at night and very rarely do we sit around reading the Washington Journal."-- Alice Cooper (Talon News 8/26/04)
Recently I've been observing various programs polling the citizens of the United States on their voting knowledge. Frankly I'm concerned over the lack of knowledge these programs are divulging about American voters. There's miniscule understanding of our voting process, little familiarity of the nominee's platforms, and some don't know or care who their candidates are.
For the last 20 years we've been living through the biggest slice of American apathy for our political process. Many are staunch in their beliefs of-- "anyone but Bush," but if you ask them why-- their answer is⊠"because." I didn't realize "because" was an explanation for your likes or dislikes. As I've listened to the reporters trying to engage people and their reasoning some will add, "because Bush attacked Iraq." When prodded further about their knowledge as to why we went to war with Iraq most of those answering couldn't give explanation. A large percentage of those questioned about their anti-Bush sentiments had succumbed to the entertainment's industries --grand guru of all knowing pile called-- extreme biased opinions. If Dave Matthews says President Bush is wrong and we need to tour to "Vote for Change," well then it must be true. (Don't get me wrong I love the Dave Matthew's Band and he has donated monies to some worthy causes, but to base your vote on what one group believes?) Have we bought into "Mr. Born in the USA's"- Bruce Springsteen- belief that President Bush needs to be ousted?
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In his book, "Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry," co-author John E. O'Neill questions numerous aspects of Democratic presidential nominee John F. Kerry's Vietnam service.
O'Neill was online Thursday, Aug. 26, Noon ET to take your questions and comments on the book as well as the accusations.
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it's OK now - Gardner totally waxes Kerry over the Chrismas in Cambodia tale, saying "I was on his boat more than any other crewman" and calling him a liar
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This ad is pretty direct and to the point. Let's hope Kerry sees fit to fan the flames some more. So far, he's just bringing more and more attention to the Swiftees every day. Give Dubya at lot of credit for not snickering in public.
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Heard it on Hannity's radio show. Ouch!
Also, Beinert of the New Republic has just been on Hugh Hewitt. He was really strident, breathless and agitated.
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He was really strident, breathless and agitated.
You understate his state of mind. He was frantic.
And utterly unbelievable -- the Winter Soldier tripe is true? Were the "historians" he consulted on the Vietnamese payroll?
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this ad was a little weaker, but the KerrySpot noted that he just walked into the wood chipper:
THINKING ABOUT THE NEW SWIFTY AD [08/26 05:58 PM]
My initial reaction was that the new ad from the Swift Boat Vets is the weakest one so far, and a tactical misstep.
Problem one is that it doesn't set up Kerry's claim of spending Christmas in Cambodia well enough. Is there no video of Kerry mentioning Cambodia at all? At the very least, the words, "seared - seared" need to get in there somewhere.
Problem two is that the Cambodia story has been out there a while; it will be old news to most of the political world. The Swifties have largely won that point; it's time to punch another hole in Kerry's Vietnam war hero image. With the last ad, it looked like the focus of the Swiftie campaign was shifting to Kerry's 1971 testimony; now we're back to the Vietnam years. Er, months.
Problem three is the timing. The Swift Boat Vets' ads have scored a direct hit on Kerry's image, and the polls show they've done some damage. But next week is the GOP convention, and the spotlight is going to shift to Bush. If I were advising the Swifties â and I'm not, obviously â I would suggest they stop running ads this weekend, and hold off the next wave until Sept. 15 or so. (If they run these ads around the anniversary of 9/11, the screams of outrage will be deafening, and besides, why bother running the ads when people aren't paying attention to politics?)
Of course, no sooner than I think that than I find Kerry said this, according to ABC News"
A revved up Kerry addressed Vietnam first retorting, "All the guys who were with me on my boat absolutely document what I've said...you're now hearing about the lie. I am absolutely telling you the God's honest truth with regard to what happened over there."
So maybe this is the right time to run a new ad featuring a vet who was on Kerry's boat calling him a liar.
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"Problem two is that the Cambodia story has been out there a while; it will be old news to most of the political world." I disagree, Frank G. It's not the political world that will be doing most of the voting. The rank and file have heard confusing dribs and drabs, but now they hear, in effect, "I was there with Kerry and he's a liar."
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Well I sure as hell am not going to waste my time watching the RNC convention. I think they should keep up the Ads until the day that they have to stop. Never let your enemy up when you have him down never.
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agreed Tom - Jim G was laying out his reasons why it wasn't effective, then noted (via the Note) Kerry putting out the flaming bag of dog shit that he'd dared they place on his porch...thereby making #2 et al inoperative. Proof once again, that the Kerry camp isn't ready for prime time
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New ad is at swiftvets.com
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Sock Puppet, the convention's gonna be GREAT!
I can't wait!
President Bush's speech, Ahnold's, Rudy's, Zell Miller's...Wow!--Be there or be square!
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Tactically, this one should have been the very first ad - but it shoudl have had some tape or footage of Kerry repeating the lie. Such a commercial would have initially established the SV's bona fides.
Follow that up with the purple heart/bronze-star questions, and then follow that with the Congressional Testimony, and then the 4th would be drawn from Winter Soldier.
Emphasize that they want an apology, and a retraction of the lies he told.
Then after that, you introduce the OPINIONs of Kerry's chain of command that he is unfit for command, and why they think so.
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Swiftvets may have planned to lead into Kerry's testimony,a real hot button.Also,film of his testimony was on C-span tonight and hearing it from the horses mouth.......Even my wife was pissed.
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You can rest assured that Kerry's camp is trying to track down every copy of that "seared, searedâ¦" footage and keeping it off the air. This story has legs and the MSM will supress it at it's own peril.
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I've got the goods on both of those sissies. I'd set up my own 527 except I already set up a 549 in mongolia. You people be good, or I'll be back. I am the wind.
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The U.S. Olympic Committee has asked the campaign to re-elect President Bush to pull an ad that refers to the Olympic Games, the International Olympic Committee said on Thursday. The ad has angered Olympic officials because they feel it hijacks the Olympic brand -- a registered trademark -- even though it does not display the Games logo. Apparently you're not even allowed to utter the word "Olympics" without permission from these asshats
The U.S. Olympic Committee had asked the Bush election "campaign to withdraw the advertisement they are running," International Olympic Committee spokeswoman Giselle Davies told reporters. The television advertisement, ahead of the presidential elections in November, does not feature the five Olympic rings -- one of the world's most recognizable images -- but an announcer tells viewers that at "this Olympics there will be two more free nations," referring to the U.S.-led invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq under Bush's presidency. Afghanistan returned to this year's Games after its Olympic Committee, controlled by the then ruling hard-line Taliban regime, was suspended in 1999 and missed the 2000 Sydney Games. The IOC reinstated Iraq after the fall of Saddam Hussein. The IOC said no official request had been made for the use of the reference to the Games. "We own the rights to the Olympic name and nobody asked us," "Nobody asked us! Whaahhh! WHAAAHH!" FOAD
Gerhard Heiberg, head of the International Olympic Committee's Marketing Commission had said on Wednesday. A new low for the Olympic committee, which is saying quite a bit. Yup, giving the Olympics free advertising and making reference to the newly free Iraq and Afghanistan is wrong - especially if you're the man responsible for liberating those millions of people. No doubt the Iraq athletes would rather go back to being tortured and murdered for failing to win their events as they were under Saddam Insane. Why not ask THEM, Gerhard?
Gerhard Heiberg - Olympic Champion Idiotarian.
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I think the USOC and the IOC are hoping that this will give the Olympics some very badly needed Publicity.
Much like Kerry's whining about the SwiftVets have given them tens of millions worth of free publicity.
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Supposing that the Bush Campaign did pull the ad--when the Olympics end, it would no longer be timely, anyway--what of it? You can't unring the bell. The message is already out there.
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No - Everybody has it wrong. These IOC jokers are some of the foreign leaders Kerry met in the New York restaurants. They are bitter about Bush using the word Olympic for that reason.
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Apparently youâre not even allowed to utter the word "Olympics" without permission from these asshats
Eamonn Fitzgerald found that the Athens Organizing Committee has a linking policy, which insists that you request permission from them before you link to their website.
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Certainly Bush should pull the ad and go on international TV to do so. And at the same time announce that all the money we normally give the IOC, will instead be used to ensure our athletes have the finest training facilities and programs in the world. Oh and all that money you got in the past? Pony it up. NOW.
Swift boat author tells Nixon he was in Cambodia, later clarifies statement
The chief critic of John Kerry's military record told President Nixon in 1971 that he had been in Cambodia in a swift boat during the Vietnam War -- a claim at odds with his recent statements that he was not. "I was in Cambodia, sir. I worked along the border," said John E. O'Neill in a conversation that was taped by the former president's secret recording system. The tape is stored at the National Archives in College Park, Md. In an interview with The Associated Press on Wednesday, O'Neill did not dispute what he said to Nixon, but insisted he was never actually in Cambodia. "I think I made it very clear that I was on the border, which is exactly where I was for three months. I was about 100 yards from Cambodia," O'Neill said in clarifying the June 16, 1971, conversation with Nixon. OK. So O'Neill was in, near, besides, whatever of Cambodia. Even though I am queasy about "clarifications", O'Neill never said anything about lucky hats, Rescuing Dogs from BBQs, or delivery of CIA guys. And, it took ol' Nixons Watergate tapes to even find ANY statement by O'Neill about Cambodia. Now what?
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BigEd: Even though I am queasy about "clarifications", OâNeill never said anything about lucky hats, Rescuing Dogs from BBQs, or delivery of CIA guys.
When you're posted 100 yards from the border, hot pursuit operations pretty much guarantee that you will occasionally cross the boundary. Kerry was 50 miles away. No comparison at all. Note also that Kerry was talking about inserting Special Forces using Swift boats. O'Neill was just patrolling. Like I said, night and day. Night. And. Day.
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ZF: Another observation made this morning in my coffee club...those boats (swift boats) are supposedly loud as h#ll! According to some vets, you could hear them a mile and a half away. Not exactly the type boat used to insert Spec Ops, eh? I've never seen one, but I'm sure some other RBers can verify how noisy they are.
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ZF : You and I are on the same side as this. I put this out there because I would rather have it come from someone predisposed to O'Neill's side of the story. We need to be up front with a situation on our side that on the surface, at least, looks bad.
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BigEd: We need to be up front with a situation on our side that on the surface, at least, looks bad.
Thanks for the heads up. The article is a standard AP news wire article headlined to play up a minor discrepancy in O'Neill's story while overlooking the gaping hole in Kerry's story. Typical AP hatchet job.
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With all the daggers the Dems are throwig out there they are likely to hit a target once. That being said I find Mr. O'Neills story a whole lot more truthful that John 'Rambo' Kerry. So far he has been caught in three separate lies: 1) His first Purple heart was self-inflicted, 2) He was not a taxi for the CIA and, 3) There was no pooch named VC on his boat. Add to that he collected medals quicker that Mark Spitz at Munich for seemingly small acts of questionable bravery. Finally factor in his Anti-War days and his coma-like Senate tenure (19 years and 3 bills). This man is no where near qualified to run a lemonade stand let alone this country.
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With all the daggers the Dems are throwig out there they are likely to hit a target once. That being said I find Mr. O'Neills story a whole lot more truthful that John 'Rambo' Kerry. So far he has been caught in three separate lies: 1) His first Purple heart was self-inflicted, 2) He was not a taxi for the CIA and, 3) There was no pooch named VC on his boat. Add to that he collected medals quicker that Mark Spitz at Munich for seemingly small acts of questionable bravery. Finally factor in his Anti-War days and his coma-like Senate tenure (19 years and 3 bills). This man is no where near qualified to run a lemonade stand let alone this country.
1)If the wound was self-inflicted, why did he recieve a purple heart
2)Seemingly small acts of questionable bravery
HE VOLUNTEERED TO GO TO WAR IN VIETNAM...unlike the President, he fought in war.
3)Do you know what the three bills were?
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1)If the wound was self-inflicted, why did he recieve a purple heart
He lied about it, and kept pressuring his commanders until he got it. In fact, I think it's documented that he was at first turned down for the Purple Heart.
2)Seemingly small acts of questionable bravery
HE VOLUNTEERED TO GO TO WAR IN VIETNAM...unlike the President, he fought in war.
Bush also volunteered -- he asked to be in a unit that already had people stationed in Vietnam. And while Kerry was shot at, Bush was sitting in the middle of hundreds of gallons of aviation fuel, in a plane that killed some of his fellow pilots.
Finally, "Relevant", did you support Bush '41 or Dole over Clinton? If not, why not?
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Anyone patrolling the border is likely to cross over and back many times, like Zhang Fei said. It's not like there is/was a barbed-wire fence at the border of Cambodia.
And, as usual, trolls like RelevantTopic fail to understand the issue. Kerry's service is and was honorable in the fact that he was a volunteer and served the nation. It is his dispicable hypocrisy, lies, and slander toward his fellow soldiers after the war that makes so many Vets ate his guts.
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Finally, "Relevant", did you support Bush '41 or Dole over Clinton? If not, why not?
I supported Clinton in 92 and 96. I believe in their social and economic policies, that's why I didn't support Bush 41 or Dole.
The story is different in 2004 because Bush went to war last year under pretenses that we can't prove (WMDs). We are fighting a war...it's called the War on Terror. It's one that Bush is loosing. Sure, we've won battles against them; we've killed or captured major leaders in Al-Qaeda. But OBL is still out there, and we let Mullah Omar escape from us 2 TIMES and we havent found him since.
And, as usual, trolls like RelevantTopic fail to understand the issue. Kerry's service is and was honorable in the fact that he was a volunteer and served the nation. It is his dispicable hypocrisy, lies, and slander toward his fellow soldiers after the war that makes so many Vets ate his guts.
You say that Kerry lied about getting his medals. Larry Thurlow also claims that Kerry lied about getting the Bronze Star because they weren't under enemy fire. Yet, he got a bronze star for the incident. Thurlow also claims that Kerry wrote up the report for him to receive a bronze star for the incident, yet what was in the report Kerry couldn't have known about because he was farther upstream and THEN came back! On top of that, Thurlow can't even prove who wrote the report for him getting a Bronze Star!
You also claim slander, yet there were WAR CRIMES COMMITTED! So what's the slander? That Kerry is saying that these guys are lying about what they said?
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1) Kerry put himself in for his purple heart (The PH was one where you could put yourself up for one). At least for his 1st his CO refused to do it.
2) Kerry first sought a STUDENT DEFERRAL so he could study in Paris but was denied. He was ANTI-WAR when he was going to Yale - even gave an anti-war speech. However he did serve so he deserves honor for that. But I dont think he was a 'decorated war hero' as he has proclaimed from the rooftops ever since. And he dishonored his service by his activities after the war.
Note also this Kerry's testamony before Congress was investigated and found to have been based on fraudulent 'testamony' at the Winter Soldier (An 'investigation' staged by Kerry and the 'Vietnam Vetrans against the War' where many of the witnesses were either never in Vietnam (and could never have seen what they claimed) or were imposters - falsely claiming they were people who had been in Vietnam.)
I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader to decide if Kerry knew beforehand that the testamony he was giving to Congress was based on lies or not.
I'm sure some war crimes were comitted (like Kerry and his Zippo lighter :) but it was rare and not as widespread and known and condoned at all levels as Kerry claims.
They were of such insignificance I'd be embarassed if I was Kerry (apologies in advance - this isn't my ALL CAPS):
TWO FOR FISH, AND ONE FOR FEDERAL HANDOUTS TO WOMEN-OWNED BUSINESSES. JOHN KERRY IS UNDOUBTEDLY THE LEAST ACCOMPLISHED CANDIDATE TO EVER DECLARE FOR NATIONAL OFFICE.
Amen to that, brother!
The fish bills - one of them was to prop up the Gloucester (MA) fisherman = typical pork barrel stuff. He's got nothing on Robert 'KKK' Byrd.
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This so called later clarification came in the very next sentence. Not 35 years later. This was a conversation. He spoke. Then quickly clarified. So where are Kerry's records that will clear everything up?
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Kerry first sought a STUDENT DEFERRAL so he could study in Paris but was denied.
This is irrelevant because he volunteered for fighting in the war.
I was reading through the site WinterSoldier.com and their claims of debunking Kerry's claims were very vague. Almost like...they can't really prove nor deny that it happened!
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Hey all - since I put this up at abput 8:30 PDT, I have been watching to see who would pick it up.
as of 10:30 PDT, no one has touched neither any of the four members of the the "CABAL" nor Fox! And, Drudge (where I saw it first) has taken it off his site.
No headlines on the NY Times or Wash Post either. I thought they would drool and foam at the mouth over this!
How did I forget this one? I worked for a couple of c*nts who owned a CPA firm in Worcester who bragged about them receiving 'federal monies' because of their 'special status'. I think they'd have fellated the esteemed Senator ala Nina Totenberg if given the chance. HUGE freakin' libs (one quite literally!).
I quit on the third day, faxed my resignation letter to them. To be polite, I got the classic bait & switch - here I am, just having passed the freakin' CPA Exam, and they were trying to send me out to Western Pennsylvania to be the lead auditor on some Federal (FDIC or some such) audits. Fed requirements call for 2 years in a supervisory position for that job; I believe I had like three weeks experience and during the interviews I expressed no desire whatsoever at travel, especially on that phat salary of $25K per annum. Filed a HUGE complaint to the Mass. Society of CPA's, the state Board and the FDIC.
And that, folks is why public accounting SUCKS (unless you're a partner).
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RT, check yourself you BOOB! Kerry signed off his own medals. The ORIGINAL doctor REFUSED to sign off his request for a PH. Kerry just waited until he found a doctor who would. NOW Kerryâs own people say that the wound was self inflicted. YOU DONâT GET PH MEDALS FOR HURTING YOURSELF. If that was true I would look like a South American Dictator in my uniform. Chasing down a teenager that had ALREADY been shot by a 50cal Machine Gun fire is not brave itâs USELESS. Ask any gunner on a fifty what it does to the human body. If you get hit in the hand, it will most likely take your entire arm off. The boy was dead or near dead by the time blood and guts Kerry shot him. Not exactly Audie Murphy storyline that Kerry spouts. I wonât even go into that âMe and my dog storyâ itâs too comical. You can try and minimize Presidents Bushâs service in the guard but Iâll bet you never piloted an F-102 in the dark over water. Itâs really is not a Nintendo game and requires a lot of training and proficiency.
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"Relevant" -- Bush went to war to carry out the policy Clinton turned into US law. And oddly enough, Kerry supported that policy until Dean started to win the Democrat primaries.
If we're losing the war, it's because of the Democrats, not because of Bush. The Democrats are determined to turn this war into their "glory days" of Vietnam, when they forced the US into a lost war.
You also claim slander, yet there were WAR CRIMES COMMITTED! So what's the slander? That Kerry is saying that these guys are lying about what they said?
Yet more evidence that the primary requirement for supporting Kerry is ignorance.
Kerry said millions of American soldiers commited war crimes in Vietnam. Yes, there were some real war crimes committed -- and they were found, investigated, and punished. But that doesn't make Kerry's of millions true.
Kerry spread Soviet propaganda during his VVAW days. He spread lies fed to him by people who had never been to Vietnam, some who had never been in uniform. His words were used against men who were held captive by the North Vietnamese; his words were used to threaten them with death for committing the war crimes Kerry lied about.
Kerry was a leader in the "protest" movement that convinced the US we weren't winning -- couldn't win -- Vietnam. His efforts ended with millions dead in Cambodia and Vietnam and the permanent weakening of the United States. Kerry was a tool of our enemies in the last war, a willing tool, a useful idiot.
Kerry spent his years in the Senate -- the years he won't talk about -- voting against every attempt to modernize the US military. He wanted to cut the CIA funding, even after the 1993 WTC attack. He worked against efforts to contain Soviet expansion in the Western hemisphere -- it was during his efforts to defend the Sandinistas that he made up his "seared, seared" memory of Christmas in Cambodia.
His "experience" in overseeing the intelligence services consists of being on a committee that, apparently, he ignored more than he attended. That didn't stop his campaign from falsely claiming he had been chairman.
Kerry's political career was started by the lies he told in 1971, and boosted by the lies he's told ever since. Finally, his lies are being exposed, and he's getting nasty.
Kerry's campaign sent letters to TV stations, threatening them with legal actions if they aired the Swift Vet ads.
Kerry's campaign tried to get Regnery to stop publishing "Unfit for Command".
Kerry's campaign has recently been passing around "brown books" containing smears against the Swift Vets.
Kerry's campaign won't do the one thing that will settle the question, though: they haven't released all of Kerry's military records. Or, for that matter, let the public see the journal he kept during Vietnam. Kerry appears to be afraid of what's in his own military records, so instead he's been heaping more abuse on the same men he accused of atrocities 33 years ago.
And all the while he's been claiming to be the victim.
Kerry's a moral coward. Not a physical coward, but a moral one -- he's unwilling to confront the enormity of the harm he did when he was in VVAW. He's also an intellectual coward -- he's unwilling to deal with the FACTS of the Swift Vet's claims, preferring to smear them and throw up clouds of smoke to confuse the issue.
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You say that Kerry lied about getting his medals. Larry Thurlow also claims that Kerry lied about getting the Bronze Star because they weren't under enemy fire. Yet, he got a bronze star for the incident. Thurlow also claims that Kerry wrote up the report for him to receive a bronze star for the incident, yet what was in the report Kerry couldn't have known about because he was farther upstream and THEN came back! On top of that, Thurlow can't even prove who wrote the report for him getting a Bronze Star!
You also claim slander, yet there were WAR CRIMES COMMITTED! So what's the slander? That Kerry is saying that these guys are lying about what they said?
I said nothing of the sort. Please refrain from putting words into my mouth.
I personally am willing to give Kerry the benefit of the doubt and believe him at his word that ALL medals and commendations etc. were rightfully earned. Fine by me. But, like I said, It is his dispicable hypocrisy, lies, and slander toward his fellow soldiers after the war that makes so many Vets ate (sic, I meant "hate" of course) his guts.
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I was reading through the site WinterSoldier.com and their claims of debunking Kerry's claims were very vague. Almost like...they can't really prove nor deny that it happened!
Thats it exactly! Give the person a Cigar! They cant prove if it happened or not (every try to prove a negative?). However they can prove that some of the testamony was fraudulant:
The results of this investigation, carried out by the Naval Investigative Service, are interesting and revealing.
Many of the veterans, though assured that they would not be questioned about atrocities they might have committed personally, refused to be interviewed. One of the active members of the VVAW told investigators that the leadership had directed the entire membership not to cooperate with military authorities. A black Marine who agreed to be interviewed was unable to provide details of the outrages he had described at the hearing, but he called the Vietnam War "one huge atrocity" and "a racist plot." He admitted that the question of atrocities had not occurred to him while he was in Vietnam, and that he had been assisted in the preparation of his testimony by a member of the Nation of Islam. But the most damaging finding consisted of the sworn statements of several veterans, corroborated by witnesses, that they had in fact not attended the hearing in Detroit. One of them had never been to Detroit in all his life. He did not know, he stated, who might have used his name. Incidents similar to some of those described at the VVAW hearing undoubtedly did occur. We know that hamlets were destroyed, prisoners tortured, and corpses mutilated. Yet these incidents either (as in the destruction of hamlets) did not violate the law of war or took place in breach of existing regulations. In either case, they were not, as alleged, part of a "criminal policy." The VVAW's use of fake witnesses and the failure to cooperate with military authorities and to provide crucial details of the incidents further cast serious doubt on the professed desire to serve the causes of justice and humanity. It is more likely that this inquiry, like others earlier and later, had primarily political motives and goals.
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Kerry just waited until he found a doctor who would. *chuckle* Isn't that the wicked "doctor shopping"? Or is it not bad when a Northeastern liberal does it?
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This is just a bs slam piece from Kerry apologist "journalists". A sure sign of desperation.
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We were sent to Vietnam to kill Communism. But we found instead that we were killing women and
children. We knew the saying "War is hell" and we knew also that wars take their toll in civilian casualties. In Vietnam, though, the "greatest soldiers in the world," better armed and better equipped than the opposition, unleashed the power of the greatest technology in the world against thatch huts and mud paths. In the process we created a nation of refugees, bomb craters, amputees, orphans, widows, and prostitutes,
and we gave new meaning to the words of the Roman historian Tacitus: "Where they made a desert they
called it peace."
-John Kerry / from the Epilogue of The New Soldier
How About the VietCong or N Vietnam point of view:
We were sent to the South to kill Capitalism. But we found instead that we were facing the American Military. We knew the saying "War is hell" and we knew also that civilian casualties are just the cost of the Marxist revolution.
In Vietnam, though, the American Military, better armed and better equipped than we were, unleashed the power of the greatest technology in the world on our poorly equipped forces.
In the process of fighting them, we created a nation of refugees, bomb craters, amputees, orphans, widows, and prostitutes,
and if we were to win, we knew we had to create many more useful idiots like John Kerry and Jane Fonda."
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[MLK] said that he simply could not adjust to a world sharply divided between the hardworking many and the privileged few. He could not accept an America where discrimination and bigotry still held citizens down. He had not been able to get comfortable with a society that had become complacent in the face of human hardship and suffering. I remember well April, 1968 - I was serving in Vietnamâa place of violence -- when the news reports brought home to me and my crewmates the violence back home - and the tragic news that one of the bullets flying that terrible spring took the life of that unabashedly maladjusted citizen.
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Well RB is in the middle of a troll flyway. Between now and November I expect to count 50 different species. I should consult with Mike but the last one closely resembled an older Washington State Border Crosser. I believe in autumn phase with falling hair.
By his own admission (circa 1986) Kerry said he requested Swiftboat duty because at the time, the Swiftboats were assigned to coastal duty â far from danger. Bush joined an F-102 unit that was being groomed for Vietnam and he requested to go there. After getting their chosen slots, both had their missions changed on them. The Swiftboats were reassigned to river patrol and the F-102âs were reassigned to mainland defense. One asked for safe duty and was sent in harmâs way. The other asked to serve on the front line and was kept home. Iâm sorry if their karma ran over your dogma, but thatâs just the way it came down.
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The F102 was already in Vietnam at the time of Bush Joining up. Since air-superiority wasn't a big problem in that war, it got redeployed back.
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Since air-superiority wasn't a big problem in that war, it got redeployed back.
Yes, four years after Bush joined the TANG. When he joined, they were still active. See, Bush served FIVE YEARS in the Guard. He finished his fifth year early to go to Harvard Business School, but he had accumulated all the required points.
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Kerry's records are available to find. Facsimiles of Kerry's Purple Heart citations are available at: http://wid.ap.org/documents/kerry/purplehearts.pdf Facsimiles of Kerry's bronze and silver star citations are available at: http://wid.ap.org/documents/kerry/stars.pdf Facsimiles of reports describing Kerry's wounds are available at: http://wid.ap.org/documents/kerry/actionreports.pdf
Cybersarge can maybe give more info on this, but I have seen on other sites where his DD214 shows the silver star with a V and that this is never done as it would be redundant. He has also had the citation redone twice with each reissuance the language changing and more glowing and signed by higher ranking individuals.
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Realclearpolitics.com has a great oped called Acquiring Purple Hearts by a doc who served in Vietnam.
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From BrokenNews.com
President Bush today publicly criticized a series of ads produced by outside groups attacking John Kerry's Vietnam War record. Referring to ads produced by the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, the President said, "Heh heh, boys will be boys, won't they? Well, all I can say is that I wouldn't have done it if I were them." The statement seemed to represent a shift away from the position reflected in the President's previous public statement about the ads, in which he said, "I think the absence from the ads of my folksy voice saying 'Ahm George Bush, and ah ahpprove this message' should send an unmistakable, hard-hitting message that we didn't have anything to do with 'em."
Democratic party officials expressed dissatisfaction with the President's criticism of the ads. "Even pulling the ads off the air won't undo the damage that's been done," said Democratic Party Chairman Terry McAuliffe. He demanded instead that the Republicans finance a TV spot reenacting the swift boat incident in its entirety "to show the true facts." In the script for the ad, John Kerry is depicted as diving into the bullet-pocked Bay Hap River with the swiftness of a Michael Phelps answering the starting gun, grabbing four men at a time in his mighty sinewed arms, then valiantly shielding them with his chin while backstroking them to safety. McAuliffe also said that, "if he's serious about setting the record straight," George Bush would agree to portray one of the Vietcong attackers, who curses at and ultimately recoils from the superior valor of "this God-man who cannot be killed!" Finally, McAuliffe demanded that Vice-President Dick Cheney portray "the evil Dr. Wu-Tang, the diabolical puppet-master who destroys civilizations just to rebuild them for a profit." McAuliffe admitted that this latter touch involved a bit of creative license, "but you know how it is when you've got all these Hollywood types who 'just want to help.'"
A Republican Party spokesman rejected the Democrats' demand out of hand, despite reports that Vice-President Cheney found the role of Dr. Wu-Tang "intriguing."
I know it's a sattire but it's close to what the Dems want!
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It's bad news for the dems when this type of satire takes hold.
I still maintain that Kerry can win this. While we pay attention, most do not. And those who don't will be getting whatever info they get from the MSM (which is giving no quarter to the likes of us). Why should they? They know we won't vote for a nut-job like Kerry.
They say that the MSM gives Kerry a 15% plus up. Plus all of those dead people, felons, and those in need of a beer and cigarette.
All that said, this type of satire will be fatal for Kerry. I feel hopeful.
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EFL: I was entertained by the choice of experts, and the assumption that women are tuning out of this political season because women's issues aren't being discussed. Maybe women are unaffected by the economy and terrorism.
Women may be the determining factor in the November election yet neither President Bush nor Democratic nominee John Kerry has adequately reached out to this important voter base, according to experts studying voter patterns and polls. "If President Bush or Senator Kerry wants to move more undecided women voters and bond more deeply with them, they have to start paying a little more attention to the issues that matter in these women's daily lives," said Meredith Wagner, executive vice president of public affairs at Lifetime Television. According to Wagner, the prevention of violence against women and the promotion of equal pay and women's health are the issues likely to impact the female vote in the presidential election. "They're not hearing from the candidates about these issues and they're not hearing the media talk about the candidates' positions on these issues, which is a little troubling," said Wagner. -snip- the next "expert" has an equally firm grasp of the blindingly obvious.
Where do they get these people?
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Hmmm....just a guess, but a lot of women [not to be confused with NOW] were clutching their children tightly the evening of 11 September 2001. With the images imprinted on their memory, the survival of their offsprings and their way of life became a very central issue, an issue the 'establishment' still wants the women along with the rest of us to forget if not ignor.
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Recruit BJ Clinton into the campaign. He will bite his lip, look at them with his sad puppy dog eyes and nurture them in the way he has become famous for.
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Mrs. Doc is disinterested in the extreme regarding the upcoming election and all the campaign nonsense. Now, having said that, I asked her the other day how she will choose which candidate to vote for in November. She told me she has decided she could leave our grade school kids with George and Laura for the afternoon and not have to worry about them. She added she would not trust John and Therrrrraaasa to watch the dog.
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Article: According to Wagner, the prevention of violence against women and the promotion of equal pay and womenâs health are the issues likely to impact the female vote in the presidential election.
What does the Federal government have to do with these issues? There are already state and local laws against assault and battery, and health insurance is available to people who are prudent enough to buy it. She's obviously trying to get the Federal government to pass additional punitive laws that are already covered by state and local jurisdiction, and get the government to socialize health insurance. Sounds like these Manhattan liberals want to use the Federal government to bypass local legislatures the way they have for decades. Everything's a national question to these socialists.
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According to Wagner, the prevention of violence against women and the promotion of equal pay and womenâs health are the issues likely to impact the female vote in the presidential election.
Note to females that fall into this category: None of those "issues" will mean a damned thing if terrorists succeed in killing you.
(CNSNews.com) - The Kerry-Edwards campaign announced it is launching a "Women for Kerry-Edwards" campaign on Thursday. According to the campaign's website, "Thousands of women will be participating in rallies, voter registration drives, meet-ups and round table discussions will be taking place in all 50 states. As part of that effort, Elizabeth Edwards, wife of vice presidential candidate John Edwards, plans hold a "just ask a woman" meeting at a Boynton Beach retirement community, after which she'll host a roundtable in Orlando with women who are small business owners.
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equal pay and womenâs health are the issues likely to impact the female vote in the presidential election. "Theyâre not hearing from the candidates about these issues and theyâre not hearing the media talk about the candidatesâ positions on these issues, which is a little troubling," said Wagner.
I'm sure it is, to someone who gets her paycheck as a professional feminist ....
To those of us who just live as strong, soft, independent, married women and mothers it's not troubling at all. Heh.
Oh yeah, I left out 'armed'. Strong, soft, independent, married and armed women ....
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you go, girl!
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August 26, 2004 -- GEORGE Bush-bashing celebs have joined forces with Moveon.org on a new series of campaign commercials. The celeb-studded spots feature the voices of Matt Damon, Scarlett Johansson, Martin Sheen, Rob Reiner and Ed Asner and star Rebecca Romijn-Stamos, Woody Harrelson, Illeana Douglas and Margaret Cho. Janeane Garafalo hosted Tuesday night's kick-off at Hammerstein Ballroom, billed as "10 Weeks: Don't Get Mad, Get Even!" Howard Dean, Kevin Bacon, Edie Falco, "School of Rock" director Richard Linklater and Al Franken fired up the faithful. Musical guests included The Roots, Natalie Merchant, Moby and Perry Farrell, who joined forces for Jane's Addiction's "Idiots Rule," in honor of the incoming Republican National Convention If boobs were brains, this mob would be rightfully entitled to rule the world, instead of just pretending to be. Other than that, these pretentious semi-literate monuments to vanity are beyond parody. Can there be anyone, anywhere, so stupid as to vote for a candidate on the basis of some vapid movie-star pseudo-person's recommendation? Actually, it appears that there are many such people and that, friends, is one of the central issues of our time.
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Wow! Could there possibly be a more impressive list of "stars"!
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I'd like to bludgeon Moby to death with a stuffed cat. Sanctimonious git.
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What is it about fabulous wealth and Hollywood that turns people into complete asshats?
They are so insulated from normal American existence that they think us frightful proles actually can't wait for them to impart their wisdom.
So much self importance in one place.
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Pity about Rebecca Romijn. Such Talent and Assets wasted.
JM, it's the Royalty Syndrome.
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"What is it about fabulous wealth and Hollywood that turns people into complete asshats?"
It didn't turn them into asshats; they started out that way. Remember in college, these were the fuckups who majored in Drama.
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dave d
Actually I think many, maybe most, of them did not major in drama.
However, they did discover along the way to fame that 'getting noticed' was the way to get high paying gigs. They also tend to believe that the 'wicked corporation; crusading liberal journalist' motifs in classic films are some sort of truth.
Interestingly enough, the camera staff, the set creation staff, the wardrobe staff, etc. are tending more and more Republican.
So there are (as Senator Edwards could but won't say) actually two hollywoods. One rich, empowered, fawned upon, favored and Democratic. The other, hard working, abused by celebrities, middle class and Republican.
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Let's see....a bunch of Hollywierd fairies beating the Republicans with a feather boa? Some how I fail to see how a gaggle of faggy actors are gonna make much of a difference-lol
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Kevin Bacon??? sigh...I used to like him. He seemed like he had a normal streak. Guess I was wrong.
Anyone else seen The Lovely? I thought it did a great job of portraying just how messed up, out of touch and narcissisistic the NYC/Hollyood types are.
It gave me insight into the mindset. They really see us as the clueless masses and themselves as the entitled simply assuming their rightful place in the world as the clever, witty, god-stars they (believe they) are.
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I got an e-mail yesterday describing an interview that Katie Couric (ugh!) had with Denzel Washington and Meryl Streep. The conversation turned to politics and Washington basically dueled it out with the two women. They were both steamed. When Katie (America's most loved TV dwarf - H. Simpson) said something like "That's always the way it is with you people" Denzel went off on her responding "You people!, You people!? Do you mean You People as in I'm a Christian or You People as in I'm a Republican? Didn't hear anything about it in the MSM? What a surprise.
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When Katie (America's most loved TV dwarf - H. Simpson) said something like "That's always the way it is with you people" Denzel went off on her responding "You people!, You people!? Do you mean You People as in I'm a Christian or You People as in I'm a Republican?
Holy Lord!
Looks like I'll be spending a lot more money on Denzel Washington products. Manchurian Candidate here I come! ;o)
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When Katie (America's most loved TV dwarf - H. Simpson) said something like "That's always the way it is with you people" Denzel went off on her responding "You people!, You people!? Do you mean You People as in I'm a Christian or You People as in I'm a Republican?
Now if we could get only Samuel L. Jackson to wake his ass up...
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It is an accepted FACT, that anyone who claims to be a democrat is an idiot. They know nothing at all about the real world. How do people get to be so damn stupid, yet think they're so smart??
katie couric is a hemorrhoid on the asshole of America.
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Sorry remote man that story isn't accurate thats why you didn't hear of it. Check out this link from snopes:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/denzel.asp
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This AM on Today Al Katie made an atypical asshole comment about Rulon Gardner whose wrestling career is now over after winning the bronze. She said in effect the "roof came falling in on him" with that open ended meaning of whatver that means. She has no style at all and is a perfectly clueless moron.
Rulon Gardner Achievements. I love this guy.!
2003
NYAC Christmas Tournament Champion
Sunkist International Tournament Champion
Pan American Games Silver Medal
USA Wrestling World Team Trials Champion
Dave Schultz Memorial Tournament Silver Medal
Kurt Angle Classic Champion
2001
James E. Sullivan Award - Amateur athlete of the year
USA Wrestling 2001 Male Wrestler of the Year
Gold Medal, World Wrestling Championships
Citizenship Through Sports Alliance, USOC Recipient
World Team Trials Champion, Greco-Roman
Jesse Owens Award
Wyoming Sports Hall of Fame - Athlete of the Year
USOC Sportsman of the Year, only second wrestler so honored
National Champion USA Wrestling 130 kg Greco-Roman
Senior Greco-Roman Championship Belt Series winner
Wins ESPY award for Male U.S. Olympic Athlete of the Year
Recipient of U.S. Olympic Spirit Award
Inducted into Ricks College Athletic Hall of Fame
USA Wrestling Man of the Year
Arete Award for "Superlative Performance"
2000
Olympic Champion, Sydney -- Defeated Aleksandr Karelin
USA Today`s Sports, Winner of "Best Original Score"
Flag Bearer at Closing Ceremonies, Sydney 2000 Summer Olympic Games, nominated and selected by peers
Named Amateur Wrestling News Man of the Year
USA Wrestling Greco-Roman Wrestler of Year
AP Male Athlete of the Year, 6th place finish
The Sporting News "Top 100 Most Powerful" list in sports
1999
Winter Classic Champion
1998
Pan-American Champion
Vantaa Cup Champion, Finland
Senior Greco-Roman Championship Belt Series winner
1997
National Champion, Greco-Roman
World Championships, Greco-Roman, 5th Place, Poland
Senior Greco-Roman Championship Belt Series winner
1996
World Cup Champion, Greco-Roman
1995
National Champion, Greco-Roman
1993
National College Athletic Association Championships, 4th Place
1991
National Junior College Athletic Association Champion
1989
Wyoming State High School Champion, Heavyweight
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--"That's always the way it is with you people" Denzel went off on her responding "You people!, You people!? Do you mean You People as in I'm a Christian or You People as in I'm a Republican? Didn't hear anything about it in the MSM? What a surprise.--
The current "Manchurian Candidate" is as remarkable and obvious an example of ideological projection as I have ever seen, retro-red commercial exploiters stealing a lurid conspiracy scenario wholesale from a lurid commie-conspiracy scenario of the Cold War.
It's ironic, but not at all surprising, that this film is, itself, the product of corporate conformist manipulation.
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The real exchange among Couric, Washtington, and Streep is pretty interesting in and of itself, with Streep setting off on a dogmatic religious tirade against GWB and Washington calling himself an ex-slave.
Washington, to his credit, tore Streep a new one over her simple-minded invocation of Jesus.
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My wife used to have Today on in the morning, but I hadn't seen Couric in about three years. Long hair? Short skirts?!? She is not going gently into that good night...
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I accidently caught her on-screen colonoscopy while working at home one day...still surprised they didn't find her head...didn't go far enough is my guess
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Problem is, speaking electoral-vote-wise, Kerry is well in front.
Ohio, Missouri, Florida, Colorado, Michigan are all on the fence.
Even with the above, its more or less a dead heat, in terms of electoral vote.
Bush is behind in Pennsylvania, and he really must turn that around if he is to win the election, as well as getting the states above that firmly on his side,, expecially Ohio and Florida.
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Given their track record of truthfulness, I'm not believing any polls delivered to we the "sheeple" by the Lying Liberal Left Mainstream Media.
It's clear they will tell any lie to promote their agenda and get their candidates elected.
The only poll that matters is the one on Nov. 2 and most people aren't going to say how they're going to vote and the media won't report it if they give "Bush" as the answer.
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"There's not a chance in hell the American electorate would put a nutter like Kerry in at this point in our history. Bet on it."
I wouldn't go that far out on the limb myself, but people who are betting real money on the election are apparently starting to see a meltdown in the Kerry campaign: Bush re-election shares at both www.intrade.com and at the Iowa Electronic Markets (www.biz.uiowa.edu/iem/markets/) have been climbing since the Swiftboat Vets thing erupted over the weekend, while Kerry's shares have been falling.
I don't like to be overconfident; but I'm starting to see a glimmer of hope.
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Kerry is panicing. He has asked for Aschroft to do a criminal investigation of the Swift Boat Vets.
Kerry is looking for something he can get some traction on. Clelands little trip to Texas didin't get any. Now he wants to take "Viet Nam off the table". Well I hope no one does since it shows him up for the truthless SOB he really is. Union men will hate his ass no matter what their Union Bosses tell them, that votes down the shitter now. The only cops that will vote for him don't qualify as real cops. Only the true blue lie eating party loyalists will vote for him. The LLL who supposedly will vote for Kerry out of hate for Bush not because they love Kerry are not enough to win. The lies about his service need to be pounded on day after day. It's costing him more votes than anything. The pressure has to be kept up. Kerry should have kept his "hero" crap to himself.
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With the advent of cell phones and caller ID, it is getting more difficult to get an accurate sampling anymore. I would like to see the poll results from 2000 and 2002 compared to the election count in order to learn how much skew is now built into telephone polling.
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Good news. One point of clarification, though-did Kerry ever call himself a hero? I think the media jumped on that strategy and paraded him as one (liberals that they largely are) in the hopes of countering Bush's national security strength.
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OldSpook: not to worry. I've been tracking the state-by-state polls (okay, I'm a nerd), and as of this morning, if you use the average of the likely-voter polls, offset Zogby with Strategic Vision, Inc., and give a battleground state to the candidate who is ahead (even by 0.1%), you get: Bush 274, Kerry 264. Approximately 226 electoral votes are in states that are within 5%, that is, too close to call right now.
I've got an Excel template at home (as I said, I'm a nerd, so sue me) I can send you if you want it.
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08/26/2004 10:36 Comments ||
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ed makes a good point (I've also made it previously)
people with cell phones and people who simply refuse to answer the phone unless their caller ID is recognized are not part of polls
I don't think anyone truly has a handle on whether this population group (possibly as high as 20% of total population) is systematically different than the people who answer polls.
And this year, like other years, a key factor is which side is better at IDing their voters and getting them to the poll in time to vote.
Also, this year, the overseas and absentee vote may be more of a factor than ever. DOD is working to make it easier for military personnel to vote. The Dems are working hard to get the 'students hitchhiking in Europe' vote, etc.
#12
I live in Marin County, CA so I am surrounded by the Bush hatred/Kerry is an acceptable alternative but I have no idea who he is or what he stands for but he is not Bush so he must be OK crowd. I am very nervous about this election and what will occur if Kerry is elected. I just keep telling myself that the Repubs should retain their hold on both houses of Congress which should limit any legislative damage he might do. But they are not the ones that prosecute military action. Kerry is going to either wimp out or lash out like a freakin idiot on that front. I think we will be in far greater danger with this empty suit in the white house. I have the willies bad about this one. I love all the positive thinking on this thread. I hope and pray that it comes true.
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08/26/2004 13:01 Comments ||
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I don't believe these polls for a minute, especially when they try to compare this election to 2000. So-called swing-states that were close in 2000 have a very different set of circumstances this time around, in case nobody has noticed. In 2000 nobody knew who Bush was and there was little for either candidate to run on. I didn't even vote and I'm willing to bet a large percentage of people actively involved in the blogosphere and 2004 politics didn't either.
The world changed radically after 9/11. There are many thousands of people who were not active politically then that most certainly ARE active now. I think there will be a rude awakening for the "anyone but Bush" crowd come November.
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Kerry is panicing. He has asked for Aschroft to do a criminal investigation of the Swift Boat Vets.
Is he accusing them of war crimes again?
You have to admire the depth of cowardice Kerry's showing: He's not even willing to sue them himself. Apparently he's afraid of what would come out during the discovery process.
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08/26/2004 13:24 Comments ||
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Apparently he's afraid of what would come out during the discovery process
All Kerry has to do is to take a deep breath. The 'discovery process' is taking place as I write this.
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The pdf files are on a server in Niue, a South Pacific Island country. Download it quickly. No telling when Kerry's lawyers can hire a dugout canoe to row them there to threaten a lawsuit!!
#3
1. I guess you think your innuendo is very funny, #1. It's not. One might also say that you don't have any interest to read the online version of Kerry's book since you bought it in the 1970's when you were a Democrat.
2. I got news for you. My parents were midwest farmers [ie. stalwart conservatives] and I've been raised as a conservative since day #1. I am not a pseudo-when's it's convenient-self serving-conservative-today-liberal-yesterday like some people are. My father and my uncle both served admirably in WWII, so my family have always respected the military,unlike some people whose "appreciation" of the military is a new attitude they picked up after 9/11.
3. I've contributed money to the Swift Boat vets because of their past service to our country and because of their courage to speak up now and derail Kerry's candidacy. How much money have you sent to the Swift Boat Vets for their battle against Kerry. ZERO? All "supportive" talk, no $?
And it was on the Swift Boat Vet's site where I saw this link to Kerry's book in the discussion about the Unfit for Command book.
The book is valuable, Douffus, because it is in Kerry's words. He cannot wiggle away from what he said in print.
4. I pay my dues to post on this site. I do not attack anyone until I am attacked first and then I react defensively as anyone would. I've been attacked at various times as being anti-semetic, a misogynist, a John Bircher, and a Democrat.
I issue you a challenge and let's put $ on it. Ask the mods to find anything I've posted [and not what you have "read-into" or "interpreted" with your teeny tiny minds]that are examples of any of the afore-mentioned names you and your pals call me and I will donate $100 to RB. But if you cannot find such evidence in my posts, then you donate the $100 instead.
Ready to take the challenge? You have $ on the table? If not, then I suggest you focus on discussion of posted links or articles and stuff your character assassination tricks into your heavily used bag of high school pranks.
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I think I missed something. How was Sarge's comment an attack, rex? I read it as sincere, or at worst a mild slam on Kerry and the likely abundance of misinformation that the book contains.
Or maybe I'm just stoopid.
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08/26/2004 13:50 Comments ||
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time for your pill, rex.
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08/26/2004 13:54 Comments ||
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Read John Kerry's out of print book,THE NEW SOLDIER, online for FREE
#10
Oops. I do owe CyberSarge an apology. I read it initially as:
"Thanks. Rex was looking forward to reading this."
My only defense is that a handful of individuals have attacked me on and off on this site, but particularly this weekend, with ad hominems that had no factual basis. So I misread CyberSarge's post was just continuing the same back handed compliment, sniping.
Once again, CyberSarge, I apologize for taking your #1 post as a back stab like the other posters were doing the past few days.
Not putting punctuation and the only capitalization being T and R, caused me to read your comments as 2 separate sentences.
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I don't know what sort of arguments you've gotten into on the Burg, rex, but most of us know who's an idiotarian and who is not. You are not. Discourse among people who are on similar pages is good for the mind.
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08/26/2004 14:19 Comments ||
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on the same page? You obviously missed the weekend posts where rex forgot to take his pills. All those little, green, three-eyed, neoconservative, boogey men coming out from under his bed. It wasn't pretty.
Rex may believe he is a conservative. But he's really just a whiner who complains that GW isn't doing it right. He doesn't have any solutions, just complaints.
Before you launch on me, I suggest you go back and reread his melt-down.
Say, rex. Who are you voting for this election?
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Apology accepted Rex! I was lost there for a moment. In your defense my typing and grammer SUCK! I am looking forward to reading it. I started today at work and just the Intro is strewn with errors and lies. Did anyone ever check the validity of the stories? Some seem very outlandish.
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The book was a collection of Soviet propaganda partially re-written by "Americans" like Kerry. It's no surprise the claims seem outlandish -- they were INTENDED TO. The hope was that they would get repeated enough that people would start believing them.
Thanks to Kerry, they did.
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Ah yes I see that one of the ad hominem attack artists has emerged from under the rock that's known as home. Perhaps in another decade, B, you will learn to how to spell your name in full...easy now, B...don't blow out those precious few brain cells you have by attempting to do too much.
As for "melt down", how apropos that a shrill catty hysteric like yourself should project onto me your own behavior. I discussed the material in the articles this weekend. OTOH, you and and your side kick pal, ZF, made catty comments ad anuseum about what horrible person you think I am and what you think I meant deep between the lines. And you continue to do so on this thread. Never focused on ideas, just loose cannon personal attacks on me. B: You obviously missed the weekend posts where rex forgot to take his pills. All those little, green, three-eyed, neoconservative, boogey men coming out from under his bed. It wasn't pretty. Rex may believe he is a conservative. But he's really just a whiner who complains that GW isn't doing it right. He doesn't have any solutions, just complaints. Before you launch on me, I suggest you go back and reread his melt-down. Say, rex. Who are you voting for this election?
The crowning moments of "meltdown" this weekend on 2 discussion threads was when your group of emotionally driven basketcases,who know nothing about politics outside how to snipe and backstab, discovered that neoconservatives were in fact liberals in the not too distant past and that they [ and you very likely] voted Democrat before 9/11.
Then there was the other classic "meltdown" moment when you and your pals shrieked at me for being a traitor for agreeing with an article questioning the how the Iraq War is being handled by the suits in DC[none of whom are elected representives of the voters btw] I think ZF even went so far as to fantacize shooting me in the back if he had the opportunity and then I posted an article quoting Wm. F. Buckley, a traditional conservative, on his retirement distancing himself from the neocon "intellectual whizkids" and the mis handling of the Iraq War. Poof. Melt down, yes, that's what happened to you handful of hear no evil, see no evil neocon sheep. Yes, I savor the 2 "meltdown" moments of you guys so much I will link to the Kristol and Wm. F. Buckley comments again. Sigh, how sweet it is. http://www.weeklystandard.com/Utilities/printer_preview.asp?idArticle=3000&R=785F27881"The Neoconservative Persuasion: What it was, and what it is. by Irving Kristol
08/25/2003, Volume 008, Issue 47 Weekly Standard ...ever since its origin among disillusioned liberal intellectuals in the 1970s...Viewed in this way, one can say that the historical task and political purpose of neoconservatism would seem to be this: to convert the Republican party, and American conservatism in general, against their respective wills, into a new kind of conservative politics suitable to governing a modern democracy...It is not a "movement," as the conspiratorial critics would have it. Neoconservatism is what the late historian of Jacksonian America, Marvin Meyers, called a "persuasion," one that manifests itself over time, but erratically, and one whose meaning we clearly glimpse only in retrospect...Such Republican and conservative worthies as Calvin Coolidge, Herbert Hoover, Dwight Eisenhower, and Barry Goldwater are politely overlooked.[as 20th century heroes] Of course, those worthies are in no way overlooked by a large, probably the largest, segment of the Republican party, with the result that most Republican politicians know nothing and could not care less about neoconservatism...Neocons feel at home in today's America to a degree that more traditional conservatives do not. Though they find much to be critical about, they tend to seek intellectual guidance in the democratic wisdom of Tocqueville, rather than in the Tory nostalgia of, say, Russell Kirk...This is surprising since there is no set of neoconservative beliefs concerning foreign policy, only a set of attitudes derived from historical experience. (The favorite neoconservative text on foreign affairs, thanks to professors Leo Strauss of Chicago and Donald Kagan of Yale, is Thucydides on the Peloponnesian War.)...Finally, for a great power, the "national interest" is not a geographical term, except for fairly prosaic matters like trade and environmental regulation. A smaller nation might appropriately feel that its national interest begins and ends at its borders, so that its foreign policy is almost always in a defensive mode. A larger nation has more extensive interests. And large nations, whose identity is ideological, like the Soviet Union of yesteryear and the United States of today, inevitably have ideological interests in addition to more material concerns...
Leo Strauss and Toqueville are idols of the neocons [yuk, yuk how do you say "deceive the public and its rulers if you think you are right" or noblesse oblige without thinking of Strauss and Toqueville respectively?]And how you all feel about the USA being considered an "idea" not a real thingie with real borders and real history with real national interests? Or that as Republicans and traditional conservatives, you are going to be "re-educated" by the smarter than you neocons, even if it means against your will. Or how do you like the idea of being part of a "persuasion" that pops up every now and then over time -will it be the Democrat Party this year or the Republican Party? Ladies and gentlemen, place your bets. Woohoo, who are the self serving arrogant idealogues in this picture?
Then there are the words of a "divide and conquer whining anti-semetic traitor" [as I was referred to for saying basically what Wm. F. Buckley says] http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/29/politics/29buckley.html?pagewanted=2&ei=5070&en=3bb45eaa1ff9f60d&hp&ex=1093320000
"National Review Founder to Leave Stage"
By David D. Kirkpatrick June 29, 2004 NYT ...In explaining his decision, Mr. Buckley said he had taken some satisfaction in the triumph of conservatism since then, though he expressed some complaints about President Bush's unconservative spending and some retrospective doubts about the wisdom of invading Iraq...As for conservatism today, Mr. Buckley said there was a growing debate on the right about how the war in Iraq squared with the traditional conservative conviction that American foreign policy should seek only to protect its vital interests. "With the benefit of minute hindsight, Saddam Hussein wasn't the kind of extra-territorial menace that was assumed by the administration one year ago," Mr. Buckley said. "If I knew then what I know now about what kind of situation we would be in, I would have opposed the war." Asked whether the growth of the federal government over the last four years diminished his enthusiasm for Mr. Bush, he reluctantly acknowledged that it did. "It bothers me enormously," he said. "Should I growl?"...
P.S. For your information, I have always supported the Republican Party. I've never voted Democrat in my entire life. Can you say the same, B?
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I think we need to spend more money on cheap ass bold fonts.
Rex.... you're cool... but you have that taint of jolly john bircher, buchanonite, jew-hater. I may be wrong, we'll see. BTW good conservative farmers are the backbone of our country and we need to maximize our farmers income. Via direct subsidy or trade barriers. The peanut and tobacco programs point the way to greater farmer income. The candidate that demands parity will get my vote.
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In honor of Berlusconni's strength, I'll be using all italics tomorrow
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[ignore]
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Shipman, you said it all for me--rex sounds like a buchananite, a Jew-hater and blamer and a Far Far Far Right Winger (so far right, they practically meet the far Left coming around the bend).
My dad was from a homesteading farm family and he served in WWII in Germany, spending at least 3 years far from his home in East Texas.
(A family souvenir was the Army-issued Christmas card he sent to his sister: "Merry Christmas from the Railsplitters...somewhere in Germany, 1944!")
Although he died when I was a child, he was a proud Democrat and thought LBJ and Medicare were great.
I like to think that I could have converted him to the GOP.
I was born patriotic: my mother tried to make me be born on July 4, but I wasn't ready for 4 more days.
And I had an ancestor in the Revolutionary War, making me a Daughter of the American Revolution, as well as ancestors that have fought in all our wars since, including the Civil War on the wrong side (Dixie!) and an ancestor massacred at Goliad in 1838 in the battle for Texas independence, making me a Daughter of the Republic of Texas, too.
So, my patriotism was hardly launched by 9/11 only violently reinvigorated after the Clintoons made it illegal for 8 years.
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Oh, and rex, William F. Buckley's not right...although it gives the NYSlimes great glee to chronicle both his differences with the Bush Administration and his retirement!
It's not the purpose of RB to provide a forum for us to prove our Conservative orthodoxy to you or really yours to us.
Clearly, you don't feel comfortable with your own views so you try to convince the rest of us.
That's not working, as Cyber Sarge quite dispassionately remarked the other day and all he did here was simply thank you (then you went ballistic....)
You really should give Fred that $100 anyway--you've used plenty o' bandwidth.
#23
Rex, please user proper html anchor href tags and hide those long URLs.
And lets not get into the neocon rant Rex, its counterproductive. Wait until after the election.
This arguing distracts us conserviaticves of all stripes from the real problem: that a lying, extreme liberal is lined up to become president behind false premises and a complicit mainstream media that is covering for him.
Save your intellect, time and venom for the real evil: John Kerry and the MSM.
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rex sounds like a buchananite, a Jew-hater and blamer and a Far Far Far Right Winger
Prove it or shut your character assassin pie hole.
a. Re: Pat Buchanan
I don't demonize Buchanan for his isolationist views just like I do not demonize Michael Savage for holding similar views. They have both hold very right wing but upfront views. Neither man "hides" his position in PC language. Some of their views I agree with, some I don't. Buchanan is a Catholic and Savage is Jewish. How can you say I'm anti-semetic if I criticize/agree with some ideas but not all views that both men hold?
b. Re: anti-semetism
I don't feel that Jews should get a "free pass" from criticism if they are incompetent. Big deal-is that such an anti-semetic position to hold?Some of you feel that Jews are not individuals, that they are a group who are sacrosanct and to be protected from criticism. Balserdash! If a person is a public figure and separates himself from the general population, he/she is fair game for being judged/criticized. I don't view Jewish public figures as being perfect and free from committing errors in judgement.
I have said that I admire Ariel Sharon. I was especially moved by an article about Sharon written a year or so ago by Victor Hansen when he likened Sharon to Ajax, an under valued hero. I think Mark Steyn rocks[he is of Jewish descent] and another favorite journalist of mine is Barbara Amiel, also Jewish.
However, I do not admire Paul Wolfowitz. He is incompetent and should be fired. Wolfowitz brings the same dangerous whizkid naivity to the Iraq War as McNamara[a Catholic btw]did to the Vietnam War. By the same token, I also criticized Paul Bremer for his applying his PC state department mentality to Iraq. Bremer is a devout Catholic.He was not the best man for the job.
So how exactly am I only "blaming" Jews?
I do not admire Arthur Schulzberger Jr. or George Soros, both Jews, who are doing everything in their power to erode the US position in fighting Islamofacism. Both men have eroded support of Israel by supporting the Democrat Party with material as well as moral support. In as much as you Jen shreik about NYT and Moveon.org, not once has it ever crossed your feeble mind to criticize the 2 men who call the shots at the NYT and Moveon.org.
c. Re:Far Far Far Right Winger
Because I want border control and immigration moratorium? Silly me. I am in good company. Check the latest Gallup polls about what the majority of Americans want re: immigration and closed borders.
However, I don't go around yapping 24/7 about dropping a MOAB on Iraq or nuking Saudi Arabia like you and some of your mindless pals.
d. Cyber Sarge quite dispassionately remarked the other day and all he did here was simply thank you (then you went ballistic....)
You don't read. Cyber Sarge and I ironed out the mis-communication.
e. You really should give Fred that $100 anyway--you've used plenty o' bandwidth.
I defended myself against B's back biting comment in post #12. Talk about wasting bandwidth...who asked you for your 2 cents anyways? What did you contribute to the discussion of the Kerry book link? Zero,as usual, you forgot what the original article was and merely plopped 2 posts of ad hominems. I'd suggest you are several quarts low on "objectivity."
f. As for bold lettering, I find it is necessary tool to get the attention of normal posters who might want to carry on a dialogue with me, since you and your pals continually rush to "bury" the content of my posts with a deluge of emotional blather. Fyi, I contribute dutifully on a monthly basis to RB. I just gave money to the Swifties this month and I plan to contribute to the K-9 units in Iraq next week. I'm doing my bit to support RB and the military. What about you? Oh, yes, you have that blog thingie that is such a big help to the military in Iraq and Afghanistan...riggghhttt.
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via Yahoo (h/t Lucianne) California to hold giant boot sale
Wednesday August 25, 10:56 PM
California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger is holding a rummage sale to dispose of unwanted state property from aircraft engines to jewellery. The "California Garage Sale" will take place on Friday and Saturday in the state capital Sacramento and some of the items will also be offered by online auctioneer eBay.
The items include office furniture -- most of the state's furniture is made by prisoners -- 30 pounds of scissors, forklifts, knives, expired colour film, computers, jewellery, a red 1995 Ford Mustang and even baseball cards. "Some of the stuff may have been confiscated in drug confiscations, by the Department of Justice, or local jurisdictions," said Fred Aguiar, who is overseeing the sale as State and Consumer Services Agency secretary. "Like the red Mustang, that was part of an asset seizure, forfeiture thing."
Some items at the sale, said to be the first of its kind for the state, were confiscated at airports. Yet much of what is on offer was purchased by government agencies and eventually fell into misuse or was forgotten about. Although state officials are hoping to bring in millions of dollars in a larger program to dispose of unused assets including property, they would not estimate how much the garage sale would generate. Aguiar says desks would sell for as low as $2, laptop computers for as little as $20 and bargaining would be allowed. As of Wednesday, the Ford Mustang has attracted an eBay bid of $5,600. "Eliminating surplus property is just one way we can work together to clean out the cobwebs of government," Schwarzenegger said in a statement. "I am calling on Californians to participate in this historic opportunity to help us eliminate the excess." The actor-turned governor is seeking to maximise revenues in the cash-strapped state to keep his pledge of no new taxes. This could only happen, successfully, in California, methinks. Think the Hollyweird folks will pitch in to save their state? Nah, me neither.
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How about seizing a few actors and actresses and autioning them to the highest bidder. I am sure a few Saudis would be in the market for actresses.
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Why just the actresses. I'm sure some of the boy band members and current crop of young actors would also be fair game for auction to the Saudi's.
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...a red 1995 Ford Mustang...
These guys once auctioned off a confiscated limo, and the new owner found 2 kilos of Peruvian Marching Powder tucked away in the spare tire...
via Slate EFL
By Dana Stevens - Wednesday, Aug. 25, 2004, at 9:06 AM PT
When my boyfriend and I heard that John Kerry was slated to be the guest on last night's Daily Show, we all but raced to the TiVo to set it on record. (Not that we ever miss The Daily Show anyway, but this would be one worth keeping.) What a "get" for Jon Stewart, the court jester of the 2004 election! And finally Kerry would have the chance to step down from the campaign stump and show people who are desperate for a reason to vote for him what he's really made of: his passion, his conviction, his much-vaunted (at least by his wife) sense of humor. Except, as Jon Stewart has been known to say: Eh, not so much.
From the moment the senator appeared and sat down on the gray sofa where, just last week, Bill Clinton basked in the audience's applause like a cat lapping up cream, Kerry's charisma was less than zero: It was negative. He was a charm vacuum, forced to actually borrow mojo from audience members. He was a dessicated husk, a tin man who really didn't have a heart. His lack of vibrancy, his utter dearth of sex appeal made Al Gore look like Charo. (I've always found Al Gore sort of hot, actually, like a stuffy high school principal just begging to be broken down. But I have some issues with authority.) ...more...
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(Iâve always found Al Gore sort of hot, actually, like a stuffy high school principal just begging to be broken down. But I have some issues with authority.)
I agree that Dana has some issues.
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.com, I found a like at Captain's Quarters to a Judicial Watch release about Kerry's 1996 connection to a previous Clinton controversy:
"... Among the documents released is an investigative outline dated March 27, 1998, that details the FBIâs âproposed areas of inquiryâ into the actions of Democratic fund-raiser Johnny Chung,..."
Now that guy got around.
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CQ also had a link to a NY Daily article disclosing what is in the Brown File on Zumwalt. This has begun to smell like extortion:
A Swift (& deadly) response
" Sen. John Kerry called a member of the Swift Boat Veterans For Truth over the weekend to try to reason with him over the group's attacks on his record. But fellow Democrats aren't hesitating to try far more aggressive tactics.
A group of Democratic loyalists is compiling incriminating dossiers on the members of the veteran group - and they sent us a preview of what might be in store for Swift Boat activist James Zumwalt, son of illustrious Adm. Elmo Zumwalt - and it isn't pretty.
Zumwalt "attempted to kill himself with an overdose of prescription drugs," after the murder of his ex-wife's fiance, John Kowalczyk, according to the dossier, which is footnoted to news sources, and was "convicted of reckless driving after chasing Kowalczyk at a high speed on the highway."
Zumwalt stepped into the line of fire when he testified with the controversial Swift vets at the National Press Club in Washington last May.
What was that old chestnut about loose lips sinking ships?"
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SH - Wow! Hmmm. The Zumwalt deal is confusing - and it's sad to see an honorable man's name dragged into such a scummy affair.
One would presume you have to be guilty (at least to a degree) of something for anyone to get something on you, right? Hey, I dunno - I don't think like this so I'm out of my depth, here!
This situation gives me 2 immediate impressions (it's getting pretty late, heh):
1) There is nothing, nothing whatsoever, that the Dhimmis won't do.
2) There are a LOT of people in politics who're dirty - or can be set up to look like it.
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.com, I usually don't post full articles of importance because they go into the sink trap until they are saved or flushed as appropriate. Captains Quarterly has dug up something on Kerry that is pretty recent and appears to me to be pretty damning. Kerry has written a letter of support for using mostly communist Vietnamese scholars to participate in a study of NV attrocities during the war. It may be worth a look.
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(Sorry for the long post quoting a blog but this is interesting..)
In short UMass is having a study of forced migration from S. Vietnam and offered fellowships - apparently failing to follow the guidelines for hiring fellows (for example: posting notices too close to the dealine date)...
Why? Because the Joiner Center and UMass already had scholars in mind to study the forced migration of the South Vietnamese people. And half of those scholars came from the People's Republic of Viet Nam -- the same Communists who tortured and massacred the refugees into fleeing Viet Nam in the first place, after the fall of Saigon. (The other two fellows are an American-born, 25-year-old person of Vietnamese ancestry and a Caucasian listed in the complaint as "under 40".)
Later in the posting shows a letter from Kerry supporting their choice:
Choosing two established and accomplished scholars from Vietnam and two emerging scholars from the United States assures a diversity of views and combines fresh perspectives with time-tested observation. It is essential and critical that a project of this magnitude regarding a phenomenon as sweeping as the Vietnamese diaspora consider candidates from all countries, political backgrounds and cultural orientations to achieve free and unencumbered inquiry.
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saw Dole tonight on Joe Scarborough's show "The Real Deal" and for once, no twice, Bob got tough and droped his "I'm a good guy" role. Called a spade a digging tool. Bob, way to go. I've never hailed you so loudly.
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I think Dole is a kickass guy. I don't like everything about him or everything he says - but I trust him. If he was wrong and you made the case that proved the point, he'd be man enough to admit the mistake. Look around and count the people in public life you can say the same about... got left-over fingers? Lol! And that's all you really need to know about the man, Dole.
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I voted Libertarian in 96, mostly because Dole seemed like a career politician (which he is). I always liked him, though, and it is interesting that when he ran against a draft-dodger it was taboo and irrelevant to talk about military service according to the Donks, yet now they want to make it the central issue. I'd say they were hypocrytical Democrats, but I don't want to repeat myself.
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