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Arabia
Americans Are Different From Saudis
2004-08-26
Do tell? When did that start?
... The Americans are different from us and here are some examples. They resent their dependence on our oil because they are used to finding and inventing things while catering for themselves and helping themselves in this life. They are vocal about this resentment. Therefore, there are no hidden issues. At the same time, they work hard and invest heavily to find other means.
One day, perhaps, Arabs can go back to their treasured tribal traditions as they sit on piles of sand, their most valuable resource, in splendid isolation...
We, on the other hand, watch their movies, eat their junk food, drive their cars, fly in their planes, and use their currency. All the while, we are inventing nothing and investing in the void. Yet, we see ourselves as morally superior.
We Americans perceive this as arrogance, though in reality it's... uhhh... something else. I guess..
If someone around here finds it in him or herself to stand up to corrupt authority at school or the office, he is labeled a "troublemaker." The end of the road to such a person is all too obvious. In America, such a person would have a bright career ahead. Even Ralph Nader found a niche to snuggle into. The reason for this is that Americans, before becoming Americans, had a proactive Robin Hood and William Tell in their history. We only have passive martyrs.
Since becoming Americans we've had Washington and Lincoln and Davy Crockett and Daniel Boone and Sam Houston, both General Custer and Sitting Bull, Horace Greeley, H.L. Menken, Geronimo, Stephen Decatur, John Wesley Hardin, Al Capone, Elliott Ness, General Pershing, J. Edgar Hoover, Huey Long, and thousands of others. Most would have had their heads cut off, had they been Arabians.
Eleanor Roosevelt, Sally Ride and Sacagawea would have had some trouble in Arabia, too, I'm just guessing.
The concept of dignity in America is individual. Ours is collective.
Bingo! This is the crucial point...
What I mean is that an American sees himself as an independent unit within a whole. We see ourselves as dependant units that make a whole.
... as faceless masses, in fact, ruled, rather than governed.
Our dignity is that of our leader, not ours individually.
The very essence of literal fascism: Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuehrer...
How else could you explain the presence of so many who are actually willing to die for a man like Moqtada Sadr? Historically, Shiite theologians and imams were known for superlative eloquence and impressive scholarship, neither of which this man seems to have. He can hardly string three words in one simple sentence.
He's a small-time thug who made good, but the author's right. Iraqis are so used to hollering "Saddam we will defend you with our blood" that all they had to do was change the name. When Tater's gone, they'll come up with someone else to defend with their blood. Maybe a hundred years from now they'll be willing to defend themselves with their blood, though not if the Islamists have their way.
Both Arabs and Americans are judgmental in nature. Where we differ is in the consequences. We sit back and cry foul, they jump to their feet and go investigate. This simple difference means that they have the chance to see differently and perhaps change their judgment, while we are stuck in ours for a thousand years.
It also gives us the incentive to fix things that don't work and to abolish things that are wrong...
Che Guevara, though not a Bin Laden or a North American, gave up his bourgeois life and went into the jungle. He was honest enough to flaunt his little bourgeois vice of cigar smoking in public.
Che was superbly competent at executing unarmed men. He could fit right into Arabia.
The Cave man [bin Laden] is not that honest. I wonder what little vice (apart from seeing people blown to smithereens) keeps that man going.
It's that desire for the jewelled turban, the urge to see all the little people bowing toward him, the urge to have his hand kissed. His ego's big enough to see himself as not being a part of the faceless masses. His culture's restrictive enough and his soul's small enough that he can't imagine a world in which his fellow man isn't...
For those who think me too accommodating of the Americans, here's something where we come together like two odd thumbs. Their men of the cloth (those with puffed hair and polished nails) and ours, hark back to biblical times while shamelessly enjoying the rewards of this modern world.
Posted by:Fred

#18  OldSpook, Dont forget that Tater is a 'legitimate voice of Iraq'.

(at least according to Kerry and the Dimocrats. The MSM is just an expression of that.)
Posted by: Anonymous6185   2004-08-26 11:22:26 PM  

#17  "Historically, Shiite theologians and imams were known for superlative eloquence and impressive scholarship, neither of which this man [Sadr] seems to have. He can hardly string three words in one simple sentence."

Hey guys - wasn't I saying this the other day?

Think ArabNews reads Rantburg?

Nah - I just wanted to let you guys know what the US Mainstream Media is hiding from you:

Sadr is looked down upon by most Shia, all Sunnis (except those that find himto be a convenient tool) and almost all secular Iraqis.

The only people floating his banner are the mutts that he broke out of prison, the Iranians who need him around, a few gullible fundamentalists, Zarqari and others who cane use him as a disrutpvie force to their ends, and those on the take in the ghettos in Baghdad where he is cashing in on his father's reputation.

This mook is finally being exposed for what he is, yet Dan Blather and the US press keep painting a demonstrably false picture because it serves their political side to have Iraq remain unsettled.
Posted by: OldSpook   2004-08-26 10:12:24 PM  

#16  Thanks Dakotah... I half remember the first, but kept thinking the second line was a vaudeville joke.
Posted by: Shipman   2004-08-26 7:07:07 PM  

#15  Shipman,

I belive it was F. Scott Fitzgerald who said "the rich are different from the rest of us".

Ernest Hemingway's reply was "yes, they have more money".

Posted by: Dakotah   2004-08-26 5:58:54 PM  

#14  This guy has actually hit some nails right on the head. Could he petition Naif or Abdullah at the next weekly majlis?
BH: Like all generalities, there are exceptions. I agree with you that we don't resent their oil since it's just business. But the "we" doesn't include Kerry, Teresa, and other camp followers. If you're this writer, and you watch US network news, you'd think that Kerry is right on all things, therefore he's gotta think we got it in for the MK.
Posted by: chicago mike   2004-08-26 4:47:30 PM  

#13  Stealing from who I can't remember....

The Americans are different from us,.... they have morals.

The rich are different
... who was that?
Posted by: Shipman   2004-08-26 3:50:23 PM  

#12   We see ourselves as dependant units that make a whole.

Translation - they're the Borg without the technology.
Posted by: Raj   2004-08-26 12:26:03 PM  

#11  Arabnews is an English language paper and it's target audiences are the expats in SA and the unsuspecting foreigners outside. I would place much more credibility on what the Arabic language papers have to say.
Posted by: ed   2004-08-26 12:12:33 PM  

#10  Saudi Arabia has truly taken a side if this is any sign. Calling Bin Laden the cave man was particularly nice touch.
Posted by: RJSchwarz   2004-08-26 12:04:37 PM  

#9  Jeebus, somebody whupped that boy upside the head with a clue X 4. I would pick one little nit: we don't resent our dependence on their oil simply because we are independent. It's trade, and I think most people would be content to buy a product from abroad that they can't produce locally. What we resent is that the oil ticks are turning around and using that money to further their religious expansionism, in ways that are detrimental to our safety and way of life.
Posted by: BH   2004-08-26 10:37:51 AM  

#8  a fatwah calling for his beheading in 5 . . .4 . . .3 . . .
Posted by: PlanetDan   2004-08-26 10:22:38 AM  

#7  An amazing fit of introspection from someone trapped in a culture that seemingly forbids it. This guy is just begging for a fatwa on his @ss.
Posted by: Psycho Hillbilly   2004-08-26 10:13:17 AM  

#6  Self-critiquing from the Arab world? Good! This is where the beginning of the end of this WoT starts. The big tasks of self-critique and change remain: stopping jihadis from using violence to force Islam on the rest of the world, and raising the status of women from furniture/slaves to human beings. How many decades/centuries will that take, do you think?
Posted by: jules 187   2004-08-26 9:37:16 AM  

#5  Naipaul. Funnily enough, I had a book of short stories on my desk containing a sketch his from his novel 'Miguel Street', recently serialized on BBC World Service Radio. The BBC can produce good stuff - when they're not busy tripping over their own political correctness.
Posted by: Bryan   2004-08-26 7:08:47 AM  

#4  At the risk of sounding like a terminal liberal arts geek, all this guy is doing is recycling V.S. Naipal(sp?) Among the Believers. Still, I also agree with Dot Com that this guy is dangerously close to getting it.
Posted by: N Guard   2004-08-26 6:41:29 AM  

#3  Maybe this guy should be invited to go to Notre Dame, not Ramadan?
Posted by: True German Ally   2004-08-26 1:41:44 AM  

#2  And Texas, Republic of! Remember that too. Remember the Alamo, Bueno Vista, and the California promise of manifest destiny.

And may god bless! For it is good.
Posted by: Lucky   2004-08-26 1:31:30 AM  

#1  This come from The Green Truth?
*thump thump gurgle thump thump*

Be still my beating heart! My pills!

He's only 5 or 6 good ClueBat whacks from a home run! The lynchpin of individuality - especially individual dignity and self reliance! Wow! And he hit other buttons scattered over the board. I'm sorta impressed... (I hate to be a killjoy) but in the same way I was with a Saudi programmer who didn't completely suck or skate all day without working... In Saudi Arabia, he was a relative phreakin' genius. In the West, he'd max out at mediocre. Still, he hit buttons - and he hit them on purpose...

If people there keep bracketing the key points with shots like this - sooner or later the literate Saudis will see it. Embracing it is something else, but hell, you do have to see it first, so credit where due.

I hope this guy isn't sacked or thrashed for writing this piece. *golf clap*
Posted by: .com   2004-08-26 1:11:59 AM  

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