Sunspot activity has not resumed up after hitting an 11-year low in March last year, raising fears that far from warming the globe is about to return to an Ice Age, says an Australian-American scientist.
Physicist Phil Chapman, the first native-born Australian to become an astronaut with NASA [he became an American citizen to join up, though he never went into space], said pictures from the U.S. Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) showed no spots on the sun.
He said the world cooled quickly between January last year and January this year, by about 0.7 degrees Centigrade. "This is the fastest temperature change in the instrumental record, and it puts us back to where we were in 1930," Chapman wrote in The Australian Wednesday. "If the temperature does not soon recover, we will have to conclude that global warming is over."
[Critics quickly pointed out that Chapman may have been "cherry-picking" the data. A strong La Nina formation in the Pacific pushed down January temperatures over much of the Northern Hemisphere from where they had been a year earlier, but average global temperatures are still much higher than the 20th-century average, and the NOAA said last week that last month was the warmest March on record.] The month of March proof is not Cherry Picking?
The Bureau of Meteorology says temperatures in Australia have been warmer than the 1960-90 average since the late 1970s, barring a couple of cooler years, and are now 0.3 degrees Centigrade higher than the long-term average.
A sunspot is a region on the sun that is cooler than the rest and appears dark.
An alternative theory of global warming is that a strong solar magnetic field, when there is plenty of sunspot activity, protects the Earth from cosmic rays, cutting cloud formation, but that when the field is weak during low sunspot activity the rays can penetrate into the lower atmosphere and cloud cover increases, cooling the surface.
But scientists from the U.S. National Centre for Atmospheric Research in Bolder, Colorado published a report in 2006 that showed the sun had a negligible effect on climate change. The researchers wrote in the journal Nature that the sun's brightness varied by only 0.07 percent over 11-year sunspot cycles, and that that was far too little to account for the rise in temperatures since the Industrial Revolution.
Chapman proposes preventive, or delaying, moves to slow the cooling, such as bulldozing Siberian and Canadian snow to make it dirty and less reflective. "My guess is that the odds are now at least 50:50 that we will see significant cooling rather than warming in coming decades," he writes.
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The Sun has a neglible effect on climate change? hmmmmm guess that puts all the blame on cow farts.
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It will still be Bush's fault, no matter what happens.
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a report in 2006 that showed the sun had a negligible effect on climate change.
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That will read funny in about 250 million years.
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This shows the pathetic ignorance and gullibility of the average science writer. Here's the theory:
An alternative theory of global warming is that a strong solar magnetic field, when there is plenty of sunspot activity, protects the Earth from cosmic rays, cutting cloud formation, but that when the field is weak during low sunspot activity the rays can penetrate into the lower atmosphere and cloud cover increases, cooling the surface.
Here's the supposed refutation:
The researchers wrote in the journal Nature that the sun's brightness varied by only 0.07 percent over 11-year sunspot cycles, and that that was far too little to account for the rise in temperatures since the Industrial Revolution.
This is confusing magentic field effects with luminosity, two different effects, measured differently, and the writer says the latter is a REFUTATION of the former?
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Humans have a unique facility to adapt to different climates and geography. Therefore, it baffles me that some warn about impending doom, while others scramble for the bottled water.
We adapt ! To adapt is to react to the change, not soil your pants with worry.
Al Gore is a scam artist who sought and won the $ from Nobel. This has nothing to do with the earth nor humanity. It's fiction for profit.
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#3: a report in 2006 that showed the sun had a negligible effect on climate change.
"A" report in 2006 said this. There have been about 30 reports since 2006 that refute that statement. There are correlations between sunspot activity and climate change going back 200 years. As for " NOAA said last week that last month was the warmest March on record. NOAA said last week that last month was the warmest March on record", I guess they didn't check out Minnesota and Wisconsin, or much of the northeastern US, where there was unprecedented cold and snowfall. As for NOAA, it, like NASA, has been caught several times manipulating data to ensure their precious funding won't be cut.
The sun provides 100% of the energy that keeps this ball of rock from being frozen solid. Carbon dioxide makes up 4% of the atmospheric greenhouse gasses, while water vapor makes up 95%. We don't understand half of what's going on in our atmosphere, and we're learning more and more every day. Most of what we're learning refutes the arrogant stand of "climate change" fearmongers. This guy challenges this group of idiots' golden nest egg - of course they're going to attack him.
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ptah, You're spot on. Decrease Sun Spots = reduced magnetic field protection from cosmic rays. Increased cosmic rays entering Earths atmosphere = increased hygroscopic nuclei = increased cloud cover = increased reflection of solar radiation and cooling. What the hell does suns brightness have to do with it?
That's my former meteorologist career speaking.
Here is a riddle I bet would make sense to these Bozos.
Question: Why do more ducks fly north than in the winter?
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Old P: The National Geographic channel had scientists tracking Sun Spot activity for thousands of years by studying chemical makeup stalagmites from caves (Mineral tree rings so to speak). They could actually see proof of the correlation between low Sun Spot activity and the mini Ice Age from 1300 to 1850.
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Something I've always suspected is that we will get hit with an Ice Age long before we have to worry about any warming. Just the way the universe works.
One reason is that ultimately, warming is easier to deal with. It comes with all sorts of benifits.(longer growing seasons anyone?) An Ice Age has no obvious solution that the tranzis can use to beat us over the head with.
Realisticly, if the glaciers return, we are going to have to expand southward. Look out Mexico. On the other hand, the falling sea levels will mean more exposed land to be used.
Either way, the Tranzi's will find themselves Overtaken By Events. As usual.
Am I channeling JOE again?
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Am I channeling JOE again?
If so, well done, you're at least decipherable with minimum effort.
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Global sea ice has increased by between 3 and 4 million square kilometers in less than a year. That's an awful lot of new ice in a very short period.
The irony here is that the Warmers, despite their apocalyptic rhetoric, believe climate changes slowly. There is evidence that cold periods like the Little Ice Age came on quickly, 5 to 10 years.
The reason this matters is that there is a close correlation between variations in the sunspot cycle and Earth's climate. The previous time a cycle was delayed like this was in the Dalton Minimum, an especially cold period that lasted several decades from 1790.
Northern winters became ferocious: in particular, the rout of Napoleon's Grand Army during the retreat from Moscow in 1812 was at least partly due to the lack of sunspots.
That the rapid temperature decline in 2007 coincided with the failure of cycle No.24 to begin on schedule is not proof of a causal connection but it is cause for concern.
It is time to put aside the global warming dogma, at least to begin contingency planning about what to do if we are moving into another little ice age, similar to the one that lasted from 1100 to 1850.
There is no doubt that the next little ice age would be much worse than the previous one and much more harmful than anything warming may do. There are many more people now and we have become dependent on a few temperate agricultural areas, especially in the US and Canada. Global warming would increase agricultural output, but global cooling will decrease it.
Millions will starve if we do nothing to prepare for it (such as planning changes in agriculture to compensate), and millions more will die from cold-related diseases.
There is also another possibility, remote but much more serious. The Greenland and Antarctic ice cores and other evidence show that for the past several million years, severe glaciation has almost always afflicted our planet.
The bleak truth is that, under normal conditions, most of North America and Europe are buried under about 1.5km of ice. This bitterly frigid climate is interrupted occasionally by brief warm interglacials, typically lasting less than 10,000 years.
The interglacial we have enjoyed throughout recorded human history, called the Holocene, began 11,000 years ago, so the ice is overdue. We also know that glaciation can occur quickly: the required decline in global temperature is about 12C and it can happen in 20 years.
The next descent into an ice age is inevitable but may not happen for another 1000 years. On the other hand, it must be noted that the cooling in 2007 was even faster than in typical glacial transitions. If it continued for 20 years, the temperature would be 14C cooler in 2027.
By then, most of the advanced nations would have ceased to exist, vanishing under the ice, and the rest of the world would be faced with a catastrophe beyond imagining.
Solves one problem: Wotan is coming. He doesn't care for competitors.
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If this is true we need some sunspots, and soon. Otherwise we'll be paying people to idle their SUV's all day. And pray that enough CO2 might make a difference.
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See also NEWSCIENTIST > SOLAR SYSTEM MAY GO HAYWIRE BEFORE SUN DIES. And, as per various simulations in a few 00 Milyuhn years, NOT 5.0+ Bilyuhn???
PLANET MERCURY - from the B52's "LOVE SHACK", to the THIRD SECRET OF FATIMA's "RIDERLESS WINGED HORSE" [Hoss]???
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Increased CO2 (idling SUVs) won't help much. Methane is 1000 times more efficient in producing greenhouse effect. Burning wood and coal would help to increase carbon particles in the atmosphere which may hopefully drift to ice sheet areas and help trapping some heat for melting and evaporation. Though, water vapor is another greenhouse effect agent more efficient than CO2, but has the tendency to condense on ice and thus increase its volume.
I am not looking forward to it. I'm a thermophile.
A divorce wrangle between President Robert Mugabe's playboy nephew, Farmin B. Hard Leo Mugabe, and his wife of nearly two decades, Veronica, has opened a can of worms and is revealing the extent to which Mugabe's cronies feathered their nests as Zimbabwe descended into impoverishment. Veronica should hire somebody to start her car.
Divorce papers lodged at the Harare High Court show that Farmin Leo, a member of parliament and the eldest child of Mugabe's ailing sister, Sabina, owns at least three large farms in Mhangura, Makonde and Banket. Farmin Leo has previously firmly denied that he owns more than one farm. I own two more? Damn Unca Bob! What a nice surprise!
Veronica wants 100 percent ownership of one of the farms and at least 50 percent ownership of another, or equivalent compensation. The third farm would remain in Farmin's Leo's possession. Veronica also wants the livestock, machinery and furniture of all three farms: Nangadza, in Mhangura; Journey's End, in Makonde; and the farm in Banket. Bitch be crazy she think she be gettin that... All the farms were forcibly seized from their white owners. They be guilty of farming while white. Thanks Unca Bob...
The case brings to the fore the curse of multiple farm ownership and people close to Mugabe acquiring several farms with no benefit to the landless. Mugabe has ordered his cronies to surrender extra farms and at one stage instituted an inquiry into multiple farm ownership. Most of the seized farms have been lying fallow, contributing to the collapse of agriculture in Zimbabwe. Well them white folks never come back to do that plantin shit. Can't blame me for them bein lazy...
Robert Mugabe's cronies, including Farmin Leo, have always denied owning multiple farms - but the divorce case proves otherwise. The court case also proves that Farmin Leo is a very wealthy man by virtue of his shareholding in several blue chip companies, including mobile telecommunications provider Telecel Zimbabwe; engineering giants Stewarts & Lloyds and Integrated Engineering Group; steel dealer Baldwins Steel; and investment firm Themiso Holdings. Over there, that must make him, like what, a trazillionaire...
Veronica wants 50 percent of Farmin's Leo's holdings in all these companies. Farmin Leo has yet to respond to the papers. He is accused in the court papers of several extra-marital affairs and of fathering children out of wedlock. Veronica says her marital relationship with Mugabe's prominent nephew has broken down irretrievably and that she has been denied "love, respect, affection, companionship and friendship, as is expected between husband and wife". She has also accused Farmin Leo of abandoning his financial and parental responsibilities to his family and wants custody of the children. Like I say, bitch be crazy she think she be gettin that... Farmin Leo was the chairman of the committee on transport and communications in Zimbabwe's last parliament. He is also provincial spokesman for Zanu-PF's Mashonaland West, the president's home province. He was a longtime chairperson of the Zimbabwe Football Association before being booted out for misusing a soccer development grant from world soccer body Fifa. He and his younger brother, Workin B. Hard Patrick Zhuwao, are both MPs and their rise in politics is seen as a plan by Mugabe to entrench his dynasty in power. Now it might get them a place face down in a trench.
Their vast wealth has remained a mystery because they are not known as successful entrepreneurs. Geez, ya don't say. They must be just really lucky, I guess...
ZIMBABWEAN opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai has called on African leaders to acknowledge he won last month's disputed election and has promised an 'honourable exit' for President Robert Mugabe.
Speaking on the sidelines of a UN trade and development conference in Accra, Ghana, Mr Tsvangirai insisted he had won the March 29 presidential poll in the southern African state.
His Movement for Democratic Change (MDC) party has accused Mr Mugabe, who has ruled since independence in 1980, of attempting to cling to power by delaying declaring the results. "Our reputation as a continent may suffer serious disrepute if we ... allow Robert Mugabe to undermine the results of the democratic election by refusing to transfer power knowing he has lost the popular support of the people,'' Mr Tsvangirai told a news conference. "We are calling ... on every head of state in Africa to stand in defence of the people of Zimbabwe,'' he said.
But he also had conciliatory words for the veteran Zimbabwean president. "Robert Mugabe is a liberation hero on our continent and he must be convinced to make a graceful exit. In fact, we have no intention of violating his rights. We believe the time has come for him to have an honourable exit,'' Mr Tsvangirai said.
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Give him a pistol with 1 chambered round and five minutes alone in a locked room. More than honourable, I would say
Zimbabwean church leaders say people are being abducted, tortured and murdered in a campaign against the country's main opposition party. In a statement Tuesday, a coalition of Christian churches appealed for international help, saying the violence could reach genocidal proportions if nothing is done.
Last week, Human Rights Watch said Zimbabwe's ruling ZANU-PF party is using informal detention centers to beat and torture supporters of the opposition Movement for Democratic Change.
Zimbabwe's government has denied all accusations of state-sponsored political violence. The state-run Herald newspaper today quoted Zimbabwe's justice minister Patrick Chinamasa as saying anyone with information about such violence should contact police.
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Zimbabwean Churches Appeal For Help to Solve Election Crisis
Idiots, you're slaves, you get NO say.
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State Department officials acknowledge there is nothing illegal about China's arms sales to Zimbabwe, a long-time recipient of Chinese military hardware. But they say that given the volatile situation in Zimbabwe, where some instances of post-election violence have been reported, this is not the time to be increasing the number of weapons and armaments available in that country.
In a talk with reporters, State Department Deputy Spokesman Tom Casey said the United States has raised the issue of the Chinese ship with the Beijing government, and countries in the region where the weapons might be off-loaded for shipment to land-locked Zimbabwe - including South Africa, Mozambique, Namibia and Angola. The Chinese ship had to leave the South African port of Durban late last week after union dockworkers refused to unload it, and Spokesman Casey said U.S. officials are pleased by the broader response in the region to appeals to keep additional armaments out of Zimbabwe.
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LONDON - Britains financial services regulator has granted Gatehouse Bank PLC a license to become the fifth stand alone Islamic bank in London, the bank said Tuesday. The Financial Services Authority confirmed that the bank _ which is a subsidiary of the Kuwait-based investment company, The Securities House KSCC _ is now allowed to take deposits. The Shariah-compliant bank said in a statement that it intends to focus on business opportunities throughout the Gulf region, Europe, North America, Southeast Asia and other emerging markets.
Islamic Sharia law forbids banks from charging or paying interest, and investment in businesses linked to alcohol, gambling, pork, weapons or usury. Deals also must be based on acquiring or creating physical assets.
London is the largest Islamic finance market in the Western world and Shariah-compliant financing is increasingly seen as a key support for the city in its competition with other centers such as New York.
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Ummm, isn't "Islamic Bank" an oxymoron?
Seriously when you can't charge interest, that alone means it's either NOT a "Bank" or doomed to failure.
Someone here stated that putting up something for cash, then redeeming it for more cash than you got (Islamic tradition) is the definition of a PawnShop, Not a Bank.
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That'll be handy when Brits need a place to pay their jizya.
Russia has threatened to sue China for copying its Sukhoi Su-27SK fighters and its pirate production for export to Pakistan and other Third World countries at much cheaper prices, a leading Russian daily reported on Tuesday.
"Russia has officially notified China that the production of J11 (fighters), a copy of Russian Su-27SK, violates inter-governmental agreements. Moscow has vowed to launch legal procedures for the protection of its intellectual property," Nezavisimaya Gazeta said.
Under the 1996 agreement, China had the right to assemble 200 Su-27SK fighters under the local brand J11. However, after receiving 95 kits and 180 AL31F engines, Beijing in November 2004 notified Moscow that it no more needs Russian kits for the assembly of Su-27 fighters, saying that combat capabilities of the fighter were very limited and further action would be taken after analysis of production experience by Chinese experts, the paper said.
"It seems the analysis was successful, as in the beginning of 2007, China unveiled its 'development' J11B fighter, suspiciously reminding of Su-27," the daily reported.
Now, Moscow seems to have completely stopped the deliveries of engines. The onboard Zhuk radar is one of the problem modules for China as from the very beginning it was supplied with limited combat capabilities, the report said.
"What irks Moscow most is that the 1996 agreement did not allow the re-export of J11 to third countries, but now Beijing is busy in the search for the markets of this fighter.
First in the queue is Pakistan," it said, adding China plans to build 5,000 J11B fighters. Given their cheap price, J11B fighters may wipe out not only Su-27, but also MiG-29 and US F-16 from the Third World markets.
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There is a cautionary tale here. CISCO seems to be having problems with bootleg equipment too.
Executives who outsourced "production to China" via the export of whole US factories should be taken out to the walls of those former factories and shot.
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"Executives who outsourced "production to China" via the export of whole US factories should be taken out to the walls of those former factories and shot."
Along with all the laborers and engineers, and the unions who organized them, who demanded pay that had no historical context outside of the freakish and unique immediate post-WWII period even though those conditions vanished, and who made 100% bulletproof income stream security guaranteed by some agency outside themselves for the entirety of their lives into a false god, damn the consequences to the consumer and the economy and the nation.
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Anyone by now should know China will steal your crap, make a really cheap crappy copy and sell it. I don't see the J11B pushing the F-16 out of the world markets. The F-16 is far superior and will be bought by nations that know what they are doing. Same with the Mig-29. However, they might find a market with crappy dictators and small 3rd world countries more interested in bombing the local population when they get rowdy.
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Curious who the next morons to fall for China's shell game will be. There is a long list of countries and companies who should know better but probably still do not.
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Executives who outsourced "production to China" via the export of whole US factories should be taken out to the walls of those former factories and shot.
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#2 I'm too lazy to check but didn't the USSR copy a USAF B-29 for it's own use at the end of WWII?
That's just one of many aircraft they copied. The first I can recall without research was the Douglas DC-3, copied and renamed the LI-2. The B-29 copy was relabeled the TU-4. They've copied several others, mostly fighter and transport aircraft. They've also TRIED to copy such illustrous US aircraft as the F-100, the F-105, the B-52, and the C-5. Most of the attempts failed because their metallurgy and milling machines weren't sufficiently advanced at the time. Take a close look at the TU-95 BEAR bomber and the B-52, for example.
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There is a cautionary tale here. CISCO seems to be having problems with bootleg equipment too.
Yep! And there were a number of people that cautioned Cisco and others that they were making a mistake. But the idiots ruled the day.
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I really, really want to see Russia sue China for all those AK 47 knockoffs around the world, should take care of a few years GDP right there.
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KOMMERSANT/PRAVDA/TOPIX/OTHER > WESTERN SECRET SERVICES PLOTTED CHERCHEN SECESSION, + control of CAUCASUS in wilful plot to destabilize and split RUSSIA + ASIA???
Read - RUSSIA > US-NATO/EU gets all of Russ west of URALS-CAUCASUS, CHINA etal. gets everything eastwards???
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Oh, that will make the Basques and Catalans so happy to start anew for their own piece of the pie. This will start the forces into motion that'll leave old national borders in shreds like that of the country formerly known as the Soviet Union.
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Sounds like the plot of "Blackadder, Back & Forth", where because of a time machine mistake, Napoleon conquered England, so in the modern age, the English drank wine, ate snail and croissants, and spoke a lot of corrupt French.
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Instead of calling it Transmanche, maybe they could call it Transvaal, and put the English on one side and the immigrants on the other side. Like the English did to the Boers.
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NORTH EURASIA is going to be tricky as per the RUSSIANS + CHINESE + JAPANESE. The RUSS are already worried about Chin and now NOKORS moving into their FAR EAST = YAKUTIA-SIBERIA REGIONS, besides of course probs wid Popul Demographics + spread of Militant Islamism.
As for the USA + ALCAN/ALKON-NORAM, see PRAVDA > ALASKAN INDEPENDENCE MOVEMENT; + CANADA.com/CBC > various artics on CANADA's INDIGENOUS PEOPLES' DEMANDS FOR MORE AUTONOMY + ECONOMIC RIGHTS.
* D *** NG IT, TIME FOR THE US MARINES + ARMY AIRBORNE TO INVADE GREENLAND + ICELAND > the Eskimo bikini babes must be saved from Dubya and Global Warming!
The government is scrapping a $20 million prototype of its highly touted "virtual fence" on the Arizona-Mexico border because the system is failing to adequately alert border patrol agents to illegal crossings, officials said.
The move comes just two months after Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff announced his approval of the fence built by The Boeing Co. The fence consists of nine electronic surveillance towers along a 28-mile section of border southwest of Tucson.
Boeing is to replace the so-called Project 28 prototype with a series of towers equipped with communications systems, cameras and radar capability, officials said.
Less than a week after Chertoff accepted Project 28 on February 22, the Government Accountability Office told Congress it "did not fully meet user needs and the project's design will not be used as the basis for future" developments.
A glaring shortcoming of the project was the time lag between the electronic detection of movement along the border and the transmission of a camera image to agents patrolling the area, the GAO reported.
Although the fence continues to operate, it hasn't come close to meeting the Border Patrol's goals, said Kelly Good, deputy director of the Secure Border Initiative program office in Washington.
"Probably not to the level that Border Patrol agents on the ground thought that they were going to get. So it didn't meet their expectations." It met my expectations though.
The Border Patrol had little input in designing the prototype but will have more say in the final version, officials said.
Agents began using the virtual fence last December, and the towers have resulted in more than 3,000 apprehensions since, said Greg Giddens, executive director of the SBI program office in Washington.
But that's just a fraction of the several hundred illegal immigrants believed to cross the border daily southwest of Tucson.
The virtual fence is part of a national plan to use physical barriers and high-tech detection capabilities to secure the Mexican border -- and eventually the Canadian boundary.
Boeing was awarded an $860 million contract to provide the technology, physical fences and vehicle barriers. I wonder how much concrete fence could have been built with that $1B.
"Boeing has delivered a system that the Border Patrol currently is operating 24 hours a day," Boeing spokeswoman Deborah Bosick said. She declined further comment.
Project 28 was not intended to be the final, state-of-the-art system for catching illegal immigrants, Giddens said. "I think some people understood that and some didn't. We didn't communicate that well." "We were misunderstood!" Gee where have I heard this before. If the stupid idea had actually worked due to some divine intervention, they would have been crowing that it worked just like they said it would. You're all fired for being stupid enough to believe this crap. But fear not, I have an opportunity that will make you rich: I'm selling the Brooklyn bridge cheap for scrap metal.
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Here's a thought - two parallel six foot chain-link fences. Warning signs every hundred feet in English and Spanish. Land-mines in between the fences.
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It's like Pakland. Stuff is not going to happen till the central Mexican government realizes its in the own survival to stop this. If illegals can get into the US, guns can get into Mexico. They're in a fight with the cartels. The cartels just like the terrorists operate on money. That money is derived from traffic in narcotics. If they shut the border to narcotics to starve the cartels, they also shut it to illegal traffic. Just like the Pakkies, they have to commit to one side or the other cause the middle won't hold.
PHILADELPHIA (AP) Why can't Barack Obama close the deal? Is the MSM juggernaut changing direction? This is what Terry McAuliff was mouthpiecing last night...
It's a question Hillary Rodham Clinton and her surrogates raised through the last days of the caustic Pennsylvania primary contest. And unfortunately for Obama who lost to the former first lady by a 10-point margin Tuesday night it's a question that bears repeating.
The loss, despite a massive cash infusion and robust campaign presence in the state, underscores the persistent problems he's had winning over many of the voters who form the traditional Democratic party base.
While the Illinois senator remains overwhelmingly popular among blacks, affluent voters and young people, other groups key to building the Democratic coalition remain elusive.
Clinton bested him among white, blue-collar voters by a margin of 69 percent to 30 percent in Pennsylvania, similar to her showing in Ohio last month. She also won older voters, women and whites and improved her margins among white, non-Catholic men.
To be sure, Obama has performed well among those groups in a handful of primaries, including Wisconsin and Virginia, both likely general election swing states.
Obama surely will emerge with sufficient delegates to maintain his overall lead, and Clinton's win in Pennsylvania will not do much to close the popular vote gap as she tries to eat into his margin. But the sense of momentum that propelled him to crushing margins across 11 contests beginning in February has slowed, raising concerns among many party activists that he will be left bruised and limping by the time the primaries end in June.
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The above from the AP site, the first place I found it, but Google "obama can't close the deal" and you get over 209,000 hits. Maybe Hilly's speechwriters struck gold?
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How about the fact that once the Messiah trappings were stripped away, he was really only just a charismatic empty suit?
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" If I was a Democrat and he was my parties choice I would vote Republican."
I think a lot of Democrats are choosing to do exactly that. In fact, I think that a lot of Democrats are choosing Hillary now because she actually represent the devil you know (I NEVER thought I could write something like that about HER). However,
" How about the fact that once the Messiah trappings were stripped away, he was really only just a charismatic empty suit?"
isn't quite right. I wasn't as bothered by BHO when I thought he was an empty suit. I now think he's something a lot more dangerous than that.
As do PA voters, apparently.
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Media memo to themselves:
"G*d D*mn the lipstick on that pig..."
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BHO reminds me of a pretty blind date that has a bad personality. At first you are blinded by the good looks but as the date continues you start to realize what a ugly person they are inside. In BHO case you see there isn't much below the surface and what's there stinks.
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I think you are exactly right Sarge. The irony is, bo was sold as being the anti-jesseh and the anti-sharpton, and what he's going to end up being is the shiny new jesseh-sharpton. A bad demagogue that some politicians won't be able to resist sucking up to. So, even if he loses, we're all stuck with him. Ooh Boy!
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It seems that a substantial number of people who dislike Hillary, belief she is dishonest and also feel her campaign has been negative and divisive, voted for her nonetheless.
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Obama feels "entitled" to the nomination at this point. It's a Dem thing.
Hillary feels "entitled" to the nomination. She has since the day she cut "the deal" with Bill.
God help us all if Obama and Clinton realize they can take the Whitehouse in November by merely setting aside their egos. I don't care who McCain picks as his running mate for November: the Trunks cannot not beat an Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama ticket in the fall. Trunks can make it close, but I don't think they can win against that combo. Hope I'm wrong, but don't think I am.
(The smarter ticket is Clinton/Obama because that leaves the door to the WH wide open for Obama in 2016). Dems are gonna rule this country for the foreseeable future even if McCain wins in November.We're just gonna have to deal with that.
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I agree that a Clinton/Obama ticket makes more sense than an Obama/Clinton ticket.
Besides, anybody who would choose Hillary as his (or her) running mate has a serious death wish. The only thing standing between Hillary and her lifelong destiny would be their last heartbeat. That's more dangerous than being between a mother bear and her cub.
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Given the size of the two egos involved and the things said in the primary, what odds on an agreement to a joint ticket of the sort y'all are proposing, no matter how logical?
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I just don't see the combined ticket happening. Clinton would be the logical president with OB as vice. She won't stand for the alternative as she knows she'll be too old in 8 years. He won't stand for being vice since he thinks she should have quit the race already. No, I can't see this one happening.
OB is losing, losing, losing since he has revealed himself (or others have revealed him). He is far worse than an empty suit. He harbors a strong dislike for America, or at least the one we know and love. He is a worse version of Carter. Can you say malaise? I truly believe his ineptitude could cause a nuclear war.
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tw, yes, they have ego in abundance but no shame at all.
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Howzabout some CrackerJacks™, Alan? They've got both. :-D
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Best line I saw yesterday was the response of a grizzled white guy in rural PA to an Obama supporter who tried to give him campaign literature: "I don't like the bitch much, but at least she'll wear the flag." In a nutshell.
sorry, osmosis thin-skin from watching the Dems. BTW, has there ever been a lamer slur than "cracker"? Someone called me that one day (I still don't know why) and I responded by laughing so hard he left, embarrassed
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Frank G, I was called a Hillbilly oce in Boston. I grew up in South Alabama where it looks like a billiard table. Cracker and Hillbilly seem to be in common use for white males and Southerners. I, too, laughed.
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Deac, that puts me in a world of hurt, insult wise. Im bred of pure south Alabama (Dothan) tin-roof (w/carpet) sharecropper on one side, and West Va Coalminer (fridge on the porch) Hillbilly on the other, and was raiased in the Blue Ridge Mountains with Moonshiners a couple of hollers down the road, and a bass fishing lake less than an hour away.
Good folks there. Google "foot cavalry" (of Stonewall Jackson) - my stompin gorunds growing up. Look up "The Bedford Boys" for the kinds of "older men" that guided me and others my age growing up.
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OldSpook: if you have pride in your ancestry, no matter of slur can really dig
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FrankG, thats my point. I'm proud to come from such stock. Look up those military references. Being a hillbilly and sharecropper's son gave me toughness to do things that I doubt I otherwise would have accomplished.
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that is to say, I am of the very people Obama and the elites look down on. And they still don't realize they owe us, their betters, for their freedom.
After days of castigating Republicans for allegedly stalling a veterans benefits package, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) himself decided to postpone the start of the debate and, indeed the start of Wednesday's session until 5 p.m. in order to accommodate the schedules of his party's presidential hopefuls, Democratic sources said.
I suppose I would have done the same thing. But I'm still going to make fun of it!
WASHINGTON -- Sen. Hillary Clinton won Pennsylvania's Democratic primary Tuesday night, Fox News projected. A win would give her embattled fight for her party's nomination a boost as she tries to fend off rival Sen. Barack Obama. For the Democrats, 188 delegates and superdelegates were at stake in Pennsylvania on Tuesday. But, but, I thought it was reported that the Republican crossovers were going to vote for BHO.
With 94% of the vote at 11PM CDT, it's Hildebeast 55%, 'Bamer 45%. That should keep us going to Indiana and North Carolina at least, if not to the convention.
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This is good for McCain - it extends the dogfight in the Dems side, eats into their money, and lets them sling mud that McCain can use later on. Plus its producing a hell of a fissure in the Dem party.
Hell of a choice: go with either of 2 inexperienced junior Senators - one which wil piss off the loonie left if not nominated, the other will piss off the feminists and aprty traditionalist if not nominated.
Funny thing is Hillary might win it, then the nutters at Kos and the hard stupid socialists left starts screaming about stolen nominations. And they are stuck with a candidate known for being strident, whiney and a liar, and associated with "dirty politics" of the Clinton/Carvile machine. And her being married to a president doesn't make her presidential any more that Yoko being married to John make her a Beatle.
But if Obama wins it, you have a candidate that failed to win his own party primaries in ALL the large states, and got there only by "machine politics", Chicago style (stuffing caucuses and bending "superdelegates"), and a candidate that has been brought there only by press coddling. Obama is socialist, has terrible personal associations, and does not react well under real pressure (Just let me eat my waffle).
The one election where they could have waltzed in the front door of the Whitehouse, and this is what they do.
Its nearly as bad as the GOP's mishandling of their Senate campaigns (the sheer mismanagement and stupidity of which amaze me).
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This was part of the plan: by making the democrats think they would have a filed day, that they could if they wanted have an ape elected as long as it wore democratic colors it incited them to select a loonie instead of an electable candidate.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAAH!
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#1, about 2 1/2 hours ago Yahoo News was reporting: Clinton won at least 80 of the 158 delegates up for grabs in Tuesday's contest, according to an analysis of election returns by The Associated Press. Sen. Barack Obama won at least 66, with 12 still to be awarded.
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I read/heard somewhere today that if you add in MI and FL popular votes, Hillarity leads Obamessiah. If true, you'll never hear the cry for popular vote over electoral college from the DNC. At least, not until after the Dems lose.
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AA5839: Well, considering that NO ONE voted for BO in FL and MI, then yes, it can only help her. His (BO's) name wasn't even on the ballot, due to the DNC rules, *snicker*
Popcorn anyone?
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that's hissowndamnfault. Try playing by the rulez in a game with the Clinton's?? Stoopid naive f*ck. Just tells you he's be taken to the cleaners by the Paleos, NK's, Syrians, Iranians, Saoodis....
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LAHORE: The United States may halt military aid to Pakistan if the latter fails to safeguard US interests in the war on terror, US democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said on Tuesday. According to Channel 5, Obama said that the aid given to Pakistan was not intended for its army to fight India, but instead to safeguard US interests in the region. He also said that the presence of militants in the Federally Administrated Tribal Areas was a threat to US interests, the channel reported.
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Senator Hussein appears unaware that Pakistan was under US sanctions on 9-11. He talks about conditional aid, as if it hasn't always been conditional. Hillary can't tag him with reparations commitments, or she will lose black voters. His candidacy will be toast when he is tied to the "R" word. Then there is the "B" word. In March he told a Corpus Christi audience that a "wall" can't solve illegal immigration. No Border controls means: a Mexican flood of people.
First the NYT, now the LA Times takes the lowest road for a smear ...
The disclosure of the Navy benefit for injuries incurred as a Vietnam POW may raise fitness questions.
Sen. John McCain has long said he is in robust health and is strong enough to hike the Grand Canyon, but he also is receiving what his staff Monday termed a "disability pension" from the Navy. When McCain released his tax return for 2007 on Friday, he separately disclosed that he received a pension of $58,358 that was not listed as income on his return.
On Monday, McCain's staff identified the retirement benefit as a "disability pension" and said that McCain "was retired as disabled because of his limited body movements due to injuries as a POW."
Which everyone knows about, and everyone understands won't limit his ability to be President. Just about every POW received a disability payment -- that being the very least we could do for them.
McCain campaign strategist Mark Salter said Monday night that McCain was technically disabled. "Tortured for his country -- that is how he acquired his disability," Salter said.
McCain spent 5 1/2 years as a prisoner of war in Hanoi. After he was released in 1973, he returned home on crutches and began a painful physical rehabilitation. He later regained flight status and commanded a Navy squadron before retiring from the service in 1981.
Which doesn't change the fact that he was beaten 4/5ths to death while a POW.
The fact that he is legally designated with a disability pension may raise further questions.
To whom? And I might point out that FDR served 13 years while in a wheelchair.
"It is a legitimate question to ask about the commander in chief: Is he fit to serve," said Robert Schriebman, a senior Pentagon tax advisor and tax attorney who recently retired as a judge advocate for a unit of the California National Guard.
Real classy, Mr. Schriebman. Wonder if we should play 'Name That Party'?
If McCain can hike across the Grand Canyon, then why should he be getting disability payments from the government that are tax-exempt, Schriebman asked.
Because it's the least we can do for a man who served his country in a way that few of us would ever imagine going through ourselves.
McCain shattered his knee and broke both arms when he was shot down over North Vietnam in 1967. In his autobiographies, McCain said that his knee still bothered him in cold weather and that he was unable to raise his hands above his shoulders.
Elmo Baker, a retired colonel and president of a Vietnam War POW group, said many former POWs were receiving some type of military pension that was partly or fully tax-free. Baker said he was receiving payments that were 70% tax-free, but that he "didn't have as many injuries as McCain did."
Many of the Vietnam POWs are receiving payment under a program known as "combat-related special compensation," which provides benefits and tax exemptions under a complex system, based on such factors as the type of injury and the years of service. Certain types of military and veterans pensions are either partially or completely tax-exempt, depending on the seriousness of the disability. In McCain's case, the exemption is 100%.
Paul Galanti, another former POW in the group, said that while McCain's injuries were serious enough to qualify him for disability, it would not affect his performance as president. "I don't know of any physical requirements to be commander in chief," Galanti said. "He would have a nice car to drive around in and a nice airplane to fly in."
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This is encouraging. This is the best the democrats can come up with? In the end, this is only going to help John McCain promote the fact that he survived the Hanoi Hilton. For most Americans who are not still living in the shadow of the anti-war sixties, this fact about McCain will be considered a feature, not a bug.
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Up until 2000, that 'non-tax' disability was compensated by an equal amount removed from any regular military retirement pay. $100 dollars payed in compensation was matched by $100 removed from one's retirement pay. The only difference between getting it was the tax remittance on the sum shifted. Since the WoT, Congress got around to altering the law so that an equal amount is no longer removed from military retirement pay for those instance which are combat related.
Meanwhile, anyone who has not receive a military retirement and qualifies, get the tax free disability pay/pension without deduction on any other of their sources of income.
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I have a lot of problems with McCain. This isn't one of them. My biggest problem with this whole election is that nobody is facing up to the real issues and telling it like it is. How about immigration? China? Oil? Could we please get real?
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"Disabled" and "Disability" are two different things, especially when dealing with the military. I qualfied for a disability allotment when I retired from the Air Force. The VA reviewed my active duty medical records, had me take an independant physical exam, then through some obscure formula (involving the entrails of a sheep, I believe) decided I had suffered 10% loss of function of my neck, 10% to my lower back and 10% nerve damage to one leg. Bingo, I get a 30% disability rating.
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I do not begrudge him one cent, Military wounded should receive tax free benefits for life, I have absolutely no qualms about paying for it either.
In my book, every cent he gets is both well deserved and too little.
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I went to VA for my hearing ( which has degraded over the centuriesdecades years.) And instead of a hearing aid, got a 20% disability for skeletal degradation (not hearing connected) and no hearing aid. I think your right about the sheep entrails thingy comment.
For the first time in six weeks, the Democratic presidential nominating contest returned to the ballot box as voters across Pennsylvania turned out in record numbers on Tuesday to cast their judgment on Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama. Lets just say its very busy, said Joseph Passarella, the director of voter services for Montgomery County, sounding a little harried. Our phones have been ringing since 6:15 this morning and have been ringing nonstop. Weve never had a primary election this busy.
Voting lines were long and voter-service phone lines were jammed across the state, from Philadelphia in the southeastern part of the state to Beaver County in the west. Were just overwhelmed, said Geri Shuits, a polling clerk in Beaver County. Ive gotten so many phone calls, I just cant keep up.
Officials said the turnout was shaping up to at least double the 26 percent recorded in the 2004 primary, and perhaps approach that of a general election, even though there is no presidential contest on the Republican side. Its a crazy day, said Stacy Sterner, chief clerk in Lehigh County, who noted that one polling place had 100 people waiting to vote when it opened at 7 a.m. Eastern time. If I didnt know better, she said, I would think it was November.
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Notice how the reports of high turnout are all anecdotal. There are no hard numbers being reported, because the turnout was in fact unremarkable. Since that helps neither obama nor shrillary, it's just not news...
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Rush Limbaugh and "Operation Chaos" may be a large part of this as well.
LAHORE - The local market is flooded with two new models of Chinese-made mobile sets equipped with the facility of voice changers, which have security implications. These mobile phone sets are among the banned products but its illegal business is increasing day by day. A user can change his voice from man to a woman, young to old to kid if he/she wants so while using this technology provided in the mobile sets.
For example, Gulbuddin Hekmatyar can sound like a man ...
This facility was earlier available in hand-free mobile sets and now a big stock of two sets of China companies is available in the market. These two mobile phones can be purchased in models C2000 and V18, at quite affordable prices Rs4,000 and Rs4,500 respectively while hand-free is available at Rs250 only. These mobile handsets with facility of voice changers could be used for causing mischief or criminal purposes.
It is very easy to convince a customer when I told him that you can make a call without being recognised using a cell phone voice changer technology, said a shopkeeper on the Hall Road.
Declining to be named, he said he was selling 700 to 1,200 such sets every day.
Oh come on, not even a Verizon store does that kind of business ...
It is said that users are deceiving a woman by changing their voice into a female voice, offering them handsome jobs and admissions in government colleges.
A Mozang resident and school teacher by profession, Abdul Razzaq said that there is a serious need to hold negotiations with the main and big dealers running business of these mobile sets in Pakistan. The handsets of China companies equipped with voice changer devices should be immediately removed from the market otherwise the situation will go out of polices reach, he suggested.
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I imagine the mobsters would want a bunch of these because of the belief the feds can listen in and recognize voices, etc. Plus you want a spare in case they figure out what line your using. Who cares how well it actually works.
NWFP Information Minister Sardar Hussain Babak has asked federal Information and Broadcasting Minister Sherry Rehman to stop the ridiculing portrayal of Pashtuns on Pakistan Television and private television channels.
In a letter sent to the federal minister, Babak said that since its inception, the PTV had been presenting plays, shows and comedy programmes which portray the Pashtuns in a negative manner with an intention of making fun of their culture, language, vocations and sensibilities.
The PTV dramas represent Pashtuns as uneducated and uncultured domestic servants speaking Urdu in a distorted way, he said, adding that Pashtuns consider this type of stereotyping an insult to them. He expressed hope that Sherry Rehman would take steps to end this tradition of the PTV authorities.
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A coalition of Indonesian women's groups is calling on the government to change the nation's marriage laws and abolish polygamy. Under Indonesia's marital laws, a Muslim man can have more than one wife if permission is granted by a local court and the wife gives her consent.
The religious adviser for the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils, Imam Amin Hady, believes the marriage laws which permit polygamy cannot be abolished as they form part of the Koran. But he has told Radio Australia's Connect Asia program that Indonesia's religious affairs and justice departments work together to ensure people do not abuse their polygamy rights.
"The scholars in Islam say, the general ruling is that man can only marry then one woman," he said. "There is an exception where a man can marry more than one woman, with certain conditions, one, two, three, four, and this ruling can be very strict." Permission for having more than one wife is only granted if the man's first wife cannot fulfil her obligations, is disabled, ill, or cannot have children. But Indonesia's Rahima Centre for Education and Information on Women's Rights says many men are providing false information in order to gain permission.
Herb Feith Research professor from Monash University, Dr Greg Barton, says it is understandable women are concerned some men in Indonesia are abusing their right to have a second wife. "I think most people who look at these things would say it's scarcely ever a good thing, it's generally a bad thing and it's best if it's discouraged," he said. "The question of policy comes back to how best you change practices, so certainly revising laws has got to be part of it, but you've got to change attitudes."
Civil servants in Indonesia are not allowed to practice polygamy and when the Indonesian Government in 2006 proposed to extend this restriction to all public servants, it lead to protests among the country's Muslim parties. Women's groups say they will continue to lobby the Government to change its marriage laws, but acknowledge it will take some time before anything is done, as it is not a priority for legislators.
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Re: this matter and the polygamist Mormon sects
The Mormons who practice polygamy use the polygamous Old Testament patriarchs as their example, and the Muslims kept a cultural norm from before the time of Muhammad. If you take a look at these patriarchs' lives, as recorded in the Bible, every time the Bible tells about the home life of a polygamous family, there's bitterness and jealousy and a lot of pain.
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Traditional polygamy also had a very determined economic reason. If men couldn't have more than one wife, then "excess" women would be left to starve, abandoned by their own families. So in that circumstance, polygamy was a humanitarian gesture.
However, even then, it was not for everybody. For a man to have more than one wife, there was a strict requirement that they be treated exactly equally, down to the button. This meant that only prosperous men could be polygamists. It was never meant for the poor, or even the middle class.
Mormon polygamy, being more recent, has a lot more clarity in its rationales. Women outnumbered men in the early days of their religion by a large degree. They were in a very barren, desolate place where everybody had to have everything rationed. A woman alone would have been a goner.
This left only two options. Either extra women would become servants, essentially slaves, to the household of a family. At the time of the US Civil War this was not thought of highly, for some reason. The other possibility was polygamy.
The problem with polygamy was that while it was usually a temporary measure, there was no protocol to abolish it, or severely limit it except in times of crisis or deprivation.
Importantly, the other form of polygamy was only for leaders, such as Brigham Young or some powerful Muslim Emir. These were political marriages. They weren't for economic reasons as much as to forge agreements and keep the peace.
The flip side of this polygamy was for leaders to swap sons, vaguely like hostages, to seal some bargain.
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Sunspot activity has not resumed up after hitting an 11-year low in March last year, raising fears that far from warming the globe is about to return to an Ice Age, says an Australian-American scientist.
ZIMBABWEAN opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai has called on African leaders to acknowledge he won last month's disputed election and has promised an 'honourable exit' for President Robert Mugabe.
LONDON - Britains financial services regulator has granted Gatehouse Bank PLC a license to become the fifth stand alone Islamic bank in London, the bank said Tuesday. The Financial Services Authority confirmed that the bank _ which is a subsidiary of the Kuwait-based investment company, The Securities House KSCC _ is now allowed to take deposits. The Shariah-compliant bank said in a statement that it intends to focus on business opportunities throughout the Gulf region, Europe, North America, Southeast Asia and other emerging markets.
LAHORE - The local market is flooded with two new models of Chinese-made mobile sets equipped with the facility of voice changers, which have security implications. These mobile phone sets are among the banned products but its illegal business is increasing day by day. A user can change his voice from man to a woman, young to old to kid if he/she wants so while using this technology provided in the mobile sets.
