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| Sukhoi fighter piracy: Russia may sue China |
| 2008-04-23 |
| Russia has threatened to sue China for copying its Sukhoi Su-27SK fighters and its pirate production for export to Pakistan and other Third World countries at much cheaper prices, a leading Russian daily reported on Tuesday. "Russia has officially notified China that the production of J11 (fighters), a copy of Russian Su-27SK, violates inter-governmental agreements. Moscow has vowed to launch legal procedures for the protection of its intellectual property," Nezavisimaya Gazeta said. Under the 1996 agreement, China had the right to assemble 200 Su-27SK fighters under the local brand J11. However, after receiving 95 kits and 180 AL31F engines, Beijing in November 2004 notified Moscow that it no more needs Russian kits for the assembly of Su-27 fighters, saying that combat capabilities of the fighter were very limited and further action would be taken after analysis of production experience by Chinese experts, the paper said. "It seems the analysis was successful, as in the beginning of 2007, China unveiled its 'development' — J11B fighter, suspiciously reminding of Su-27," the daily reported. Now, Moscow seems to have completely stopped the deliveries of engines. The onboard Zhuk radar is one of the problem modules for China as from the very beginning it was supplied with limited combat capabilities, the report said. "What irks Moscow most is that the 1996 agreement did not allow the re-export of J11 to third countries, but now Beijing is busy in the search for the markets of this fighter. First in the queue is Pakistan," it said, adding China plans to build 5,000 J11B fighters. Given their cheap price, J11B fighters may wipe out not only Su-27, but also MiG-29 and US F-16 from the Third World markets. |
| Posted by:john frum |
| #16 KOMMERSANT/PRAVDA/TOPIX/OTHER > WESTERN SECRET SERVICES PLOTTED CHERCHEN SECESSION, + control of CAUCASUS in wilful plot to destabilize and split RUSSIA + ASIA??? Read - RUSSIA > US-NATO/EU gets all of Russ west of URALS-CAUCASUS, CHINA etal. gets everything eastwards??? |
| Posted by: JosephMendiola 2008-04-23 23:16 |
| #15 I really, really want to see Russia sue China for all those AK 47 knockoffs around the world, should take care of a few years GDP right there. |
| Posted by: Redneck Jim 2008-04-23 16:08 |
| #14 Sue where? The International Court of Ignore Me? |
| Posted by: mojo 2008-04-23 15:46 |
| #13 There is a cautionary tale here. CISCO seems to be having problems with bootleg equipment too. Yep! And there were a number of people that cautioned Cisco and others that they were making a mistake. But the idiots ruled the day. |
| Posted by: Ebbans Trotsky6941 2008-04-23 14:32 |
| #12 #2 I'm too lazy to check but didn't the USSR copy a USAF B-29 for it's own use at the end of WWII? That's just one of many aircraft they copied. The first I can recall without research was the Douglas DC-3, copied and renamed the LI-2. The B-29 copy was relabeled the TU-4. They've copied several others, mostly fighter and transport aircraft. They've also TRIED to copy such illustrous US aircraft as the F-100, the F-105, the B-52, and the C-5. Most of the attempts failed because their metallurgy and milling machines weren't sufficiently advanced at the time. Take a close look at the TU-95 BEAR bomber and the B-52, for example. |
| Posted by: Old Patriot 2008-04-23 13:55 |
| #11 woops...dittos <:) |
| Posted by: RD 2008-04-23 12:28 |
| #10 Executives who outsourced "production to China" via the export of whole US factories should be taken out to the walls of those former factories and shot. Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom |
| Posted by: RD 2008-04-23 12:27 |
| #9 |
| Posted by: mrp 2008-04-23 12:03 |
| #8 I can't think of any two countries that deserve each other more than China and Russia. |
| Posted by: treo 2008-04-23 10:07 |
| #7 In the 80's the Russian Communists threatened China with armored divisions and nuclear weapons. Now that the gangsters run Russia, they are sending something far worse after China: Lawyers. |
| Posted by: OldSpook 2008-04-23 09:48 |
| #6 Curious who the next morons to fall for China's shell game will be. There is a long list of countries and companies who should know better but probably still do not. |
| Posted by: Excalibur 2008-04-23 09:32 |
| #5 Anyone by now should know China will steal your crap, make a really cheap crappy copy and sell it. I don't see the J11B pushing the F-16 out of the world markets. The F-16 is far superior and will be bought by nations that know what they are doing. Same with the Mig-29. However, they might find a market with crappy dictators and small 3rd world countries more interested in bombing the local population when they get rowdy. |
| Posted by: DarthVader 2008-04-23 08:12 |
| #4 "Executives who outsourced "production to China" via the export of whole US factories should be taken out to the walls of those former factories and shot." Along with all the laborers and engineers, and the unions who organized them, who demanded pay that had no historical context outside of the freakish and unique immediate post-WWII period even though those conditions vanished, and who made 100% bulletproof income stream security guaranteed by some agency outside themselves for the entirety of their lives into a false god, damn the consequences to the consumer and the economy and the nation. |
| Posted by: no mo uro 2008-04-23 07:58 |
| #3 Yea they made a nice copy. |
| Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom 2008-04-23 07:49 |
| #2 I'm too lazy to check but didn't the USSR copy a USAF B-29 for it's own use at the end of WWII? Pot, meet kettle. |
| Posted by: GORT 2008-04-23 07:42 |
| #1 There is a cautionary tale here. CISCO seems to be having problems with bootleg equipment too. Executives who outsourced "production to China" via the export of whole US factories should be taken out to the walls of those former factories and shot. |
| Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom 2008-04-23 06:32 |