In a message received by a Saudi weekly newspaper Al-Qaeda network has implied it carried out the attacks. The group had "been planning major operations for a long time in the Gulf where it had stocked large amounts of arms and explosives," Al-Qaeda operative Abu Mohamed al-Ablaj wrote in an e-mail to Al-Majallah, which is published from London. "The execution of this plan was not hampered by the recent announcement by the Saudi authorities of the seizure of large quantities of arms and explosives in the kingdom and the hunt for 19 people," said Ablaj, alias mullah Seif Eddin. He described himself as the "coordinator of the Mujahedin training centre" run by al-Qaeda. Last week, Al-Majallah, citing an e-mail message from a newly-appointed Al-Qaeda spokesman, Thabet ibn Qais, said that âan attack against America was inevitable.â
Wonder just where in Soddy Arabia or Yemen that training camp might be located?
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that's right. we need to find it and destroy it. there has to be a camp
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President Bush denounced the bombings in Saudi Arabia that killed up to 91 people, including seven Americans, as the work of "killers whose only faith is hate." He vowed to "find the killers and they will learn the meaning of American justice."
Is it just me, or is anybody else getting tired of hearing about "hate"? It's just a quibble, but I think "hatred" is more correct...
Bush said "the ruthless murder of American citizens and other citizens reminds us that the war on terror continues." The president made the remarks at the Indiana State Fairgrounds, where he was speaking on his tax-cut and economic stimulus plan. "Anytime anybody attacks our homeland, or our fellow citizens, we will be on the hunt," he said. "We will bring them to justice."
With or without Soddy help?
"Just ask the Taliban," Bush added, recalling the U.S. victory over the Taliban government of Afghanistan. I'm optimistic we can overcome anything in our path," he said.
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The Saudis better come clean and help get the murderers AND their support and their C&C net. If they don't the parasite al-Qaeda will kill the Saudi host. That means that the royal "family" better get its collective head out of its collective ass. If the Saudis do not clean up, then al-Qaeda will eventually get full control of the oil wealth and we will have to go in militarily. I have not been over to that fabled land, but my bet is that the Saudis will do a half assed hearted effort and will fail. We have to deny al-Qaeda Saudi Petro Dollars or we will be way behind the power curve on the WOT. My wild-assed guess is that Saudi money finances at least on-third of terrorist activity in the world.
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I also wish he used the word "murdered" instead of killed (you can legitimately kill, for example in self defense).
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I don't think anyone could ever credit President Bush as being the best speaker, especially off the cuff, but the most important thing is that he will act upon events instead of making speech after grandiose speech.
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He vowed to "find the killers and they will learn the meaning of American justice."
If this means application of the death penalty, great.
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The Saudis better come clean and help get the murderers AND their support and their C&C net. If they don't the parasite al-Qaeda will kill the Saudi host. That means that the royal "family" better get its collective head out of its collective ass. If the Saudis do not clean up, then al-Qaeda will eventually get full control of the oil wealth and we will have to go in militarily. I have not been over to that fabled land, but my bet is that the Saudis will do a half assed hearted effort and will fail. We have to deny al-Qaeda Saudi Petro Dollars or we will be way behind the power curve on the WOT. My wild-assed guess is that Saudi money finances at least on-third of terrorist activity in the world.
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US officials say over 90 people, including 9-10 Americans, died in suicide attacks that devastated three Riyadh estates housing Westerners Monday night.
The bodies of nine suicide killers were found in rubble.
Number of injured is close to 200.
Al Qaeda claims Riyadh attacks in message to London Arabic newspaper al Majallah.
Whole streets, blocks and multi-storey buildings semi-demolished or flattened by car bombs set off by gunmen who went in shooting.
US secretary Powell toured ravaged housing compounds upon landing in Riyadh hours after attack.
Al Qaedaâs bomb attacks in Riyadh Monday night were opening shots of fresh terror campaign against US and Saudi Arabia timed for end of Iraq War.
Probable next targets: oil facilities, airports and airliners.
Hundreds of al Qaeda terrorists await next instructions in Saudi cities â among them US and Canadian nationals and turncoat Saudi soldiers
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Al Qaedaâs bomb attacks in Riyadh Monday night were opening shots of fresh terror campaign against US and Saudi Arabia timed for end of Iraq War.
yee-hah! more votes for dubya! cha-ching!!!
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You idiot of 'g wiz', aren't you ashamed of being sarcastic while Americans get killed ?
You probably hate Mr. President enough to forget the victims of terrorism in a split second, don't you ?
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Hundreds of al Qaeda terrorists await next instructions in Saudi cities â among them US and Canadian nationals and turncoat Saudi soldiers
US and Canadian nationals? I'd be real interested in grabbing some of them up alive and putting the screws to them. As far as turncoat Saudi soldiers? You mean there's some that aren't?
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g wiz: Have you no shame? Your hatred for all things American is showing. I will gladly send you a ticket to Saudi Arabia or perhaps Zimbabwe, where the rights for the likes of you will allow you to "vote". Hah!
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Interesting. Why wait until AFTER the Iraqi war? It almost looks as if AlQ is RESPONDING to GW II, and thus CONFIRMING the linkage between them and Saddam.
Alternatively, the timing can be argued to be more linked to Colin Powell's visit
Good news so far: No WMD involved. Given the proximity of Saudi Arabia to Iraq, they'd have used it if they had it.
And if Dubya was REALLY interested in Ooooooil, he'd use this as an excuse to condemn Saudi laxity in security, jump in, and take over "to do things right".
Accusing the Administration could be justified if this happened in Illinois. However, Saudi Arabia is NOT a part of the USA, have a security apparatus unsupervised by us, and have their collective head up their ass when it comes to Terrorism.
Expect S.A. to be royally pissed at AlQ for Not Staying Bought Off.
On the other hand, AlQ was modeled after a venture capital firm investing in terrorism on behalf of investors who wanted deniability. One of their investors just, well, disappeared, and they may be pinched for donations. This incident just might be AlQ putting the squeeze on Saudia to cough up more dough to make up for their shortfall. A reminder that Saudia hasn't got what it takes to really defend themselves, and to count themselves fortunate that it was "just infidels" this time. S.E.N.D. M.O.R.E. M.O.N.E.Y., or else...
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PTah,
Aha! I have been trying to find some "WIIFM" analysis to figure out "why here?" and "why now" for this senseless act, and I like the way you are thinking. "What's in it for AlQ?"- comparing them to venture capital firm could be right on the mark. Hopefully funding is more and more difficult to secure, and even disburse.
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sheesh, calm down, kids. I'm a pro-American. I WANT Dubya to win. The more terror attacks (and they're obvliousy very unfortunate) means the more support for Bush in the election. I don't want some terror appeasing semi-socialist Democrat to win.
Ok, I shouldn't have said "Yee-hah" that was wrong.
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g wiz: not wrong, merely poorly timed and in bad taste. 'sokay. *patpat* Many (including me) have questionably applied sarcastic remarks, and I'm sure they'll slip through again.
Attackers shot their way into three housing compounds in the Saudi capital and then set off suicide car bombs, killing at least 13 foreigners, officials reported today. Secretary of State Colin Powell said the coordinated terror strike had "the earmarks of al-Qaida." Powell, who arrived today on a previously scheduled visit despite the attacks, said at least 10 Americans were among the dead. Philippine authorities reported two deaths and Australian officials reported one. U.S. Ambassador Robert Jordan said at least 40 of the injured were Americans.
And we might add that the slaughter was timed to coincide with Powell's arrival. Welcome to beautiful Soddy Arabia, home of the holy mosques...
A U.S. official said overall casualties appeared to be in the hundreds and that several members of the Saudi National Guard died in the attacks. He also said British, German, French, Australian and other Arab citizens were among the dead and wounded. Saudi officials told the Associated Press at least 50 wounded people were taken to the National Guard Hospital. Other hospitals reported at least 10 injured. The attacks late Monday were followed by a smaller bombing today near the headquarters of a Saudi-U.S. company. No casualties were reported in that bombing.
That was the fourth explosion that was reported last night...
At the housing complexes today, five floors of buildings were blown out, their outer walls sheared off. Heaps of rubble and blocks of upended concrete surrounded spikes of twisted steel rebar. Burned-out cars were still in their parking spots. Police vehicles patrolled the walls of the compounds and kept reporters out. Al-Hamra compound, which suffered one of the worst attacks, was hidden behind 20-foot walls. Surveillance cameras were posted along the walls. Most of the homes in such compounds are large, single-family villas that would not be out of place in an upper middle class California neighborhood scattered around well-tended parks, swimming pools and sports fields. Their inhabitants tend to be professionals in the oil industry, the financial sector or schools. A guard at one of the housing compounds in the northeastern section of the city was quoted by the Saudi paper al-Watan as saying that seven cars exploded there, all apparently carrying suicide bombers. At least three bodies could be seen lying on the ground at the compound this morning. Witnesses at the al-Blaidh compound said the force of the blast shook nearby buildings and rattled windows. Witnesses also reported hearing gunfire moments before the car exploded.
That would have been the Bad Guys shooting their way in...
Powell was greeted on his arrival by Prince Saud, the Saudi foreign minister, who expressed his sorrow and vowed to cooperate with the United States in fighting terrorism. "It is no consolation, but these things happen everywhere," Saud said. "It should increase our efforts and should make us not hesitate to take whatever measures that are needed to oppose these people, who know only hate, only killing."
Actually, they don't happen everywhere, and in most of the places they do happen they're imported. Their genesis is in Soddy Arabia, and until Soddy Arabia starts going after the "spiritual heads" and the money men it will continue. Forever.
An intelligence official in Washington said information from the past two weeks indicated al-Qaida had been planning a strike in Saudi Arabia. The blasts came as the United States is pulling out most of the 5,000 troops it had based in Saudi Arabia. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said last week that most would be gone by the end of the summer.
And good riddance. Next time we come back, maybe we'll have learned enough lessons from Iraq and Afghanistan and whoever's next on the list that we'll be able to build a civilized government on the Arabian sandpile...
The Saudi Interior Minister, Prince Nayef, told local newspapers the assailants were believed to be linked to the May 6 discovery of a large weapons cache. The Saudi government was seeking 19 suspects in that case â including 17 Saudis, a Yemeni, and an Iraqi with Kuwaiti and Canadian citizenship â that it believed were receiving orders directly from bin Laden. The government said the group had been planning to use the seized weapons to attack the Saudi royal family as well as American and British interests. Prince Nayef told the al-Watan newspaper that one of the 19 people sought in the cache case handed himself in â it was unclear when â and was being interrogated for information about Monday's explosions. So far he had offered "limited information," Nayef told the paper.
In that case they're not hitting him hard enough...
A previously unknown Saudi group, the Mujahedeen in the Arabian Peninsula, had linked itself to the cache found May 6 and over the weekend vowed on an Internet site to strike American targets worldwide. It was not clear whether the explosions in Riyadh were linked to the group.
Another false nose and moustache al-Qaeda grouplet, only wearing multicolored wigs under their turbans...
State Department officials said the American school in Riyadh would be closed today and advised Americans to remain at home until further notice. Earlier this month, it had advised Americans against traveling to Saudi Arabia because of increased terrorism concerns. Justice Department and FBI officials had no immediate indication that other attacks might be planned against U.S. interests at home or abroad.
It'll be a little while before the next one. What'll be interesting will be whether the Soddies pursue the perps in this one with the level of application and expertise the Indonesians exhibited in going after the Bali bombers. The Indons took that seriously; if the Soddies take this atrocity seriously, they'll be able to wipe out a major group of krazed killers. If not, it will be Kobar Towers all over again.
British telecommunications executive John Crossley was knocked out by the force of a blast and suffered cuts from glass from his shattered windows. He was quoted as telling the Los Angeles Times that other villas were leveled by the force of the blast. Crossley, speaking to the newspaper in a telephone interview, said a carload of men in a car shot their way into the compound. He said guards gave chase through the streets until the attackers' car exploded. "The fact that they have attacked three compounds in a coordinated way sends a message to the Western community that we are not safe here. It's like they're saying, 'We can get you any time, anywhere,'" Crossley was quoted as saying.
Unlike their government, at least up to this point, the Arabian guards seem like they were taking their job seriously...
The small blast went off early today near the headquarters of the Saudi Maintenance Company, also known as Siyanco. The company is a jointly owned by Frank E. Basil Inc. of Washington and local Saudi partners, officials said.
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Isn't it a bit odd that during a raid,19 of 19 suspects"escaped".
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This is getting headlines - death toll (including Americans), the heart of the Soddie kingdom, coordinated attacks, timed for Powell etc.
But lets remember - this was a conventional attack, on a (relatively) soft target, in the Dar al Islam.
AQ hasnt hit a major hard target (im not counting bagging an individual soldier in Kuwait) since 9/11. They havent made a hit in the "domain of war" (infidel countries) since 9/11, unless you count the Moscow theater attack. And they have still to launch a non-conventional attack.
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Remember my post a couple days ago - we've cut back on Soddy visa visitors - to 14,100 a year. I accept a much larger cut - to around 141, each with their own surveillance detail. The time to take the war to the terrorist-supporting Saudi princes is fast coming, it's just a matter of whether they clean their own house or we do it
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I am so disgusted with this crap that when I try to form coherent sentances while discussing it, I start sounding like military guy from Korea in his diatribes, only I make less sense. I either need to give up and admit I have Turett's syndrome (BALL SWEAT!) or start taking seixure medication.
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Tadderly --- Get a grip on yourself! Reading about the Saudis and Korea, plus Pak and the Paleos, with a topping of Iranian Shee-ites will make you think your furniture upstairs is being arranged without your permission. Better send an e-mail to Dr. Fred at Rantburg Clinic to see what he uses to keep from going over the edge. Just a minute.........doorbell ringing.......hang on .......... Oh, there are two gentlemen in white coats ....... Hey, I want to say more but I've gotta go.... Make sure you contact Fred, uh........bye.......
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Tadderly --- Don't forget Indonesia and the Megawatt..........Hey! Let go of me!.........shi--------
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efl... today's opinion in Arab News.
Mr. Secretary, you are one of the most acceptable to us in the American administration.
Colin, you've got to work on that...
Your inclinations toward respecting international legitimacy and settling problems through diplomacy and negotiations â a win-win approach â have won you great respect. They form a pleasant contrast to those who want to impose American hegemony through military might.
I think they're misinterpreting Powell, or trying to suck up to him. I think Powell believes in allowing all parties to emit their vapors on a subject and seeing if anything comes of it. But he also knows when to stop the gas passing and do something of substance. He can also recognize when someone's been given enough rope to hang himself. Just because talks are occurring doesn't mean that all parties are making sense and that all parties are showing good faith...
We have suffered the most by terrorism, which is not something special to the Saudis but is a phenomenon of every society, like poverty, disease and unemployment, and it emerges from injustice.
I thought it emerged from madrassahs and other places where it's taught...
America itself has suffered terrorism by its own people before Sept. 11, 2001. Saudi Arabia tasted its bitterness in the worldâs holiest place during the occupation of the Grand Mosque in Makkah. You know they were ousted with secret US help, dontcha?
For the past two weeks our country â the government and people â has been tracking down 19 terrorist suspects who are not so different from the 19 who shook the United States except in one particular: The fact that our security agencies detected them, while US agencies failed in 2001. How does that Kiwi taste this morning, Muhammad?
I would like to emphasize that the Western-style democracy you market in the region would not receive majority support if a referendum was held, because there is a clear alternative. Right... 14th century theocracy.
Arabs are a weak people who need strong but clean and just governments. I underline the words clean and just. Hygiene lessons from Saudi, just what we need. We will try to measure up to the high standards of Middle Eastern justice.
Americans often wonder why others hate them. Did you do anything today to make us like you? And boom-boom-boom go the car bombs. Whaddya want, your own parking spaces in the shade, close to the front gates?
(Muhammad M. Al-Shibani is a Saudi writer. He is based in Jeddah.)
Muhammad makes the mistaken assumption that anybody cares at this point whether they like us. We worried about that up until September 10th, 2001, yeah, even into the following morning. At this point, we would prefer that you speak truly and deal honestly with us and not try to clandestinely lead all the opposition to us in the world. Eventually we will get tired of the lies, prevarications, and even the stupid arrogance of people like Muhammad. And when we do, they're going to like us even less â briefly. Muhammad, did you do anything today to make us like you?
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The Israelis are willing to do that to a limited degree with Hamas and Co. We need to put any mufti-boy on notice that rants against the US calling for jihad and destruction of our country will be taken at face value and that there will be serious consequences to the speaker for that action. A couple of quiet hits will turn their collective turbans around and the others will sing a different tune. Scott is right. Shut off the preachers of this sickness and the body may recover.
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Oops, should've gone under Arabia. This guy pi$$ed me off.
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Powell, a multi lateralist who was mugged, could do some good if he uses some stinging language in his public exit press statement. The alternative is to make goo goo eyes and emit the usual diplo drivel.
"Americans often wonder why others hate them. Did you do anything today to make us like you?
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Mr. Al-Shibani clearly yearns for those bygone times, before 9/11, in which America- and its love-starved president- wrung its hands in anxiety over whether others liked us or not.
What Mr. Al-Shibani doesn't seem to understand yet is those days are long past, and he needs to turn his question around and ask it of himself. Do you ever wonder why we hate you, Mr. Al-Shibani? You should. What have you done today to make us like you? It might be a really, REALLY good idea to start looking at your own behavior.
"Arabs are a weak people"... "We have suffered the most by terrorism"... So far as I can tell, Arabs seem to excel most at three things: religious fanaticism, exporting violence, and self-pity. Google the phrase "1.2 billion helpless muslims" for another example.
I respect these people, their culture and their religion less with each passing day.
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I'd like to hear Powell use some of Dave D's words about fanaticism, exporting violence and self pity.
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Arab victimism at work, nothing to see, move along...
Slightly OT : "You know they were ousted with secret US help, dontcha?". If this is a reference to the *bloody* attempted 20 nov. 1979-5 dec. 1980 coup, when 200 "brothers" held thousands of pilgrims hostages (though only 130 were driven in the caves), the rescue assault was actually made by french GIGN gendarmes leading a group of saudi officers. The grand mosque 's plans were provided to soddies authorities by Mohammed Ben Oud Ben Laden, the mighty patriarch of the BL family, but at least one of his sons (Mahrous) was questioned due to his link to the terrorists (who sneaked into the GM hidden in Ben Laden corp. trucks, btw).
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The reference is to the occupation and subsequent bloody liberation of Mecca. Shiite terrorists were forced into the "catacombs" and eventually flushed out with CS gas, using gear and training provided by US troops who were flown in secretly (and who were never allowed to leave the airport).
"Flushed out" is not completely accurate... they were suppressed by the gas, so they could be gunned down where they hunkered.
Which is fine.
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Mark IV : I didn't know the actual Cs dispensers were Us-provided; as a sidenote, the GIGN team had to nominally "convert" to islam in order to be allowed into the GM. The gendarmes reportedly celebrated their conversion to the one true religion by having wine and sausages (pork, of course) flown from France along w/their gear.
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The roots of this problem are the preachers. I have never subscribed to GWB's 'religion of peace' thing. Because their founder, history and writings all proclaim the opposite. But I have met some peaceful muslims. So it follows that there must be imams that preach peace, just as there are those who preach violent jihad. How come we never hear about them? Are there any fatwas comdemning murder of noncombatants for political reasons? If so, those are the mullahs to back.
On the other hand, we need to look at the Attas who have gone by and trace back their ideology to the imams who motivated them, and send some hard boys of our own to give them 9mm headaches (two actually). THIS is where the war needs to fought. The rest is just looking for needles in a mountain of needles. Or making Faustian deals that come back to haunt us.
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I agree, Scott. But we're not vicious enough to do that yet. We're constrained by our better instincts and our reluctance to descend to the level of our adversary. Two or three more 9-11 strikes and we won't be. But none of us are going to like the side effects.
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The Israelis are willing to do that to a limited degree with Hamas and Co. We need to put any mufti-boy on notice that rants against the US calling for jihad and destruction of our country will be taken at face value and that there will be serious consequences to the speaker for that action. A couple of quiet hits will turn their collective turbans around and the others will sing a different tune. Scott is right. Shut off the preachers of this sickness and the body may recover.
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Anonymous: Re the conversion of the GIGN, I knew an American in Jeddah in the '80's , grad of Naval Academy, who had to "convert" so that he could fly helicopters patrolling the skies of Mina and Arafat during the Haj. Very straight and serious guy who would not lie about something like that.
I lived in the Jedawel compound in the late 90's and remember driving by the Vinnell compound on many occasions. We had some great parties in Jedawel and many Vinnell guys would enjoy themselves there. Jedawel is (at least was at that time) owned by one of Fahad's kids, can't remember his name, but he is/was a minister without portfolio.
My take on this is that the Saudi security apparati will come into play in light of these bombings and the supposed, according to DEBKA, assasination attempt against Prince Sultan and Naif, Mins. of Def. and Int. respectively. After this cleaning up, the young princes who have been waiting in the wings will now have the opportunity to bring Saudi into the 21st century. At least, I hope so. My condolences to all the victims.
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Let's make a little "suggestion" to Mr. Muhammad M. Al-Shibani:
Dear sir,
Reference your letter, May 13, 2003. I understand your concern. However, WE, the people of the United States, have NOT made war (yet) on the Arab people. We have waged war on those who support terrorism, including the Taliban, Osama bin Laden, and Saddam Hussein. We will also consider taking up arms against any other Muslim or non-Muslim group that strikes against our citizens, regardless of how they do it.
We don't care if you like us. We'd like you to think of us kindly, and to remember the many ways the very generous people of the United States aids anyone who has a need. We will NOT, however, make any concessions to any terrorist group, or to their sponsors, wherever or whoever they may be, merely to be "liked". We treat terrorists the same way we would a rattlesnake, coiled to strike - act first to prevent any damage.
If you think that we are gutless, afraid to act against you, even after Afghanistan and Iraq, consider this: the next time you strike against the United States, we will implement Plan Khomeini. Plan Khomeini calls for a simultaneous nuclear strike against every Muslim city with a population of over 50,000. Period. No grace, no excuses, no second chance. We will not live in a world inhabited by an insane pit of vipers, including human vipers.
Have a nice day.
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What bothers me is that they write stuff like this, without a thought as to how it will play on the Infidel "Street".
You know how excitable we are, and how we all think exactly the same. I think they should be more sensitive.
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I don't see it as particularly vicious, Federico. Why kill dumb sheep? They're brainwashed. The one who contracts the hitman is more culpable than the trigger.(in my book) The 1st Gulf War was bass-ackward. We killed, what, 100,000 Iraqi peasants wearing green clothes and left their masters. Shrub and Rummy got it right - decapitation. A great power is terrible, then merciful and then generous, as we have shown ourselves to be.
I do not believe preachers are off-limits (being one myself). ANY preacher who preaches hate and violence (whether Muslim, Jewish or "Christian" deserves the same 9mm surprise) What are we afraid of? That they're gonna order attacks on our soil?!! I believe there is a time for war, and it is now. Best rendering of 6th commandment is "thou shalt do no murder".
Self-defense, against those who have attacked you is precisely why Paul said that, "governing authorities... do not bear the sword for nothing". In fact, in this function of dispensing justice, they are called, "God's ministers". The magnitude and blood-lessness of GW2 was nearly biblical in proportion. (which, I believe, is it's own explanation)
What of non-violence? Jesus commanded his followers to personally turn the other cheek. That's personally. Taking the sword against agresssion in defense of family and friends has no biblical prohibition. Only a warning that you also may die by the sword. The preachers are not only fair game, righteousness fairly demands it.
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Mark IV: I second that comment. They are the victims. How ironic. Mr. Al-Shibani, what have you done today to make me like you? Show me, asshole.
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KUWAIT CITY: Islamist MP Waleed Al-Tabtabaei says the government is "plotting" to back 14 candidates in the National Assembly elections, which are due on July 5.
More deep-laid plots! I knew it! It just keeps getting deeper and deeper...
"We are warning of another Central Bank scenario similar to that in the 1999 parliamentary elections when the government vandalised the elections," said Tabtabaei. He claimed the government may use the emergency fund to buy votes and support 14 candidates to secure seats for them in the 2003 parliament, according to a government document recently revealed by MP Waleed Al-Jari and accepted by Deputy Premier and State Minister for Cabinet and Parliament Affairs Mohammed Daifallah Sharar.
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