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2022-10-17 Home Front: Politix
The view from Germany: US midterm elections may put democracy on the line worldwide
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Posted by trailing wife 2022-10-17 01:33|| || Front Page|| [11135 views ]  Top

#1 Germany requires voter ID with a card issued by the state. Wonder if the author is up for 'drop boxes' that require no ID in the fatherland.
Posted by Procopius2k 2022-10-17 07:38||   2022-10-17 07:38|| Front Page Top

#2 A rather naive view of the US.
Posted by Vespasian Ebboting9735 2022-10-17 07:48||   2022-10-17 07:48|| Front Page Top

#3 Bolsonaro has already publicly stated that he will not accept defeat.

Ha ha! That's my man!
Posted by Dron66046 2022-10-17 07:52||   2022-10-17 07:52|| Front Page Top

#4 "You keep using that word 'democracy.' I do not think it means what you think it does..."
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-10-17 08:10||   2022-10-17 08:10|| Front Page Top

#5 Dear Krauts:

Go fuck yourselves, you fucking Russian stooges.

And stay the fuck out of our internal politics.

Posted by Spike the Hairy6811 2022-10-17 08:19||   2022-10-17 08:19|| Front Page Top

#6 I couldn't wade through all the biased, leftist opinion, but somebody tell me - was "Election Denier" Stacy Abrams profiled?
Posted by Bobby 2022-10-17 10:37||   2022-10-17 10:37|| Front Page Top

#7 ^^^ Or Al Gore, who took the 2000 election results all the way to the Supreme Court?
Posted by Tom 2022-10-17 11:05||   2022-10-17 11:05|| Front Page Top

#8 If I had to say "go fuck yourselves" to Americans every day an US journalist published something about Germany, I'd have nothing else to say
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-17 12:34||   2022-10-17 12:34|| Front Page Top

#9 ^ You pretty much do...
Posted by Vespasian Ebboting9735 2022-10-17 12:40||   2022-10-17 12:40|| Front Page Top

#10 Journalists publish stuff every day. Some stuff you like, some you don't. It's rather unnecessary to insult a whole country just because one journalist of that country publishes something you disagree with.
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-17 12:46||   2022-10-17 12:46|| Front Page Top

#11 The existence of fertile ground speaks for itself. It's what philosophers call "a thing as such."
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-10-17 12:48||   2022-10-17 12:48|| Front Page Top

#12 Good job, Spike!
Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-10-17 12:52||   2022-10-17 12:52|| Front Page Top

#13 Fair enough, EC, you have a point.

In defense of myself and Spike, I would state my belief that German politicians and the German electorate are much more acceptable to the majority of American journalists than Donald Trump and his supporters are to the majority of German journalists. You may well be correct in your belief that some Germans and even some German journalists are not as biased against our former president as dw.com obviously is. If dw.com really is the "view from Germany", you should understand that some of us are offended by it.

Some of us can't help remembering pictures of Baraq Obama conferring with Angela Merkel shortly after Trump's victory in 2016 when the subject of the conversation was so obviously how to counter the will of the American electorate.

Further, the YouTube video that Spike posted was spot on and the statements in it seem to have been long forgotten by journalists on both sides of the Atlantic. All kinds of pertinent facts have either been ignored, buried or forgotten. dw.com seems to have forgotten that Democrats squandered two years and $33 million trying to prove their bogus claims that the Russians hacked our 2016 election. That effort failed.

Emotions run high on this subject. When our democracy is threatened, we get pissed. Sorry.

By the way, how would you rate German coverage of Giorgia Meloni?
Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-10-17 13:24||   2022-10-17 13:24|| Front Page Top

#14 how would you rate German coverage of Giorgia Meloni?

Speaking for me self, I’d rather see them uncover her meloni. Not big but nicely shaped
Posted by Sapphic 2022-10-17 13:28||   2022-10-17 13:28|| Front Page Top

#15 Well yes, Sapphic. I love her too. I'd like to claim that it's platonic but there is something about Italian women.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-10-17 13:42||   2022-10-17 13:42|| Front Page Top

#16 If I had to say "go fuck yourselves" to Americans every day an US journalist published something about Germany

Since when? When does this happen? Point to an example. We'll wait.

Americans are stupid, remember? We're so fucking stupid we don't know that other countries exist. We can't find Germany on a map, or tell you who the president is. All we know is witbeir and cuckoo clocks and that beer fest where chicks flash their tits.

Moreover the US journalist class thinks of Americans pretty much the same way that Germans think of Americans. They are not proud of America. They are not proud of being American. They never say it, and they never show it. They despise the American culture and the American people. They don't like the Secular Constitution or the founding fathers. They don't show any respect for anything other than talking about dismantling the US completely. They always tell Americans how much they suck.

So, you know, pretty much just like Europeans.
Posted by Spike the Hairy6811 2022-10-17 13:46||   2022-10-17 13:46|| Front Page Top

#17 I have a passport and I also carry a passport card in my wallet. But I'm still the kind of person the lib press morons are sneering down at when they talk about people Americans who don't have a passport.

Fukem...
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-10-17 14:21||   2022-10-17 14:21|| Front Page Top

#18 Abu Uluque, you write:

"You may well be correct in your belief that some Germans and even some German journalists are not as biased against our former president as dw.com obviously is. If dw.com really is the "view from Germany", you should understand that some of us are offended by it."

First of all, dw.com is ONE view (of many) from Germany. As you Rantburg regulars know, I didn't like Trump, never did, never will. Most of you will say: Fair enough.

I happen not to like Biden either. But if I quoted a Germany article that questions Biden's mental capacity (and there are), would you be offended? Would you think that this is a German insult to the U.S. presidency? Would you say: Krauts, stay out of our internal policy?

Or would you say: Damn, I wish it wasn't true but it may very well be?

Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-17 14:57||   2022-10-17 14:57|| Front Page Top

#19 Trump proves the point. If you are upsetting some people, you are doing it right.
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-10-17 15:02||   2022-10-17 15:02|| Front Page Top

#20 But if I quoted a Germany article that questions Biden's mental capacity (and there are), would you be offended? Would you think that this is a German insult to the U.S. presidency? Would you say: Krauts, stay out of our internal policy?

Any non-American who feels they are a "stakeholder" in American governance is an asshole.

Period.
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-10-17 15:03||   2022-10-17 15:03|| Front Page Top

#21 autocratic leaders in Hungary, India and the Philippines

Ha ha ha. Stupid bastard.
Posted by Dron66046 2022-10-17 15:04||   2022-10-17 15:04|| Front Page Top

#22 "Trump proves the point. If you are upsetting some people, you are doing it right."

I see. So Biden isn't upsetting some people? Because if he were, he'd be doing it right.
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-17 15:19||   2022-10-17 15:19|| Front Page Top

#23 Is this what our friend McCoy calls whataboutery?
Posted by Dron66046 2022-10-17 15:24||   2022-10-17 15:24|| Front Page Top

#24 Biden is proving some people's expectations true. It's not the same thing.

See: Stakeholder = asshole.
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-10-17 15:24||   2022-10-17 15:24|| Front Page Top

#25 SAtakeholder = "I did not pay to play but I feel I have skin in the game." Try that in Vegas.
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-10-17 15:25||   2022-10-17 15:25|| Front Page Top

#26 But if I quoted a Germany article that questions Biden's mental capacity (and there are), would you be offended?

No. But some of our Democrat friends probably would be. Best to be even handed and unbiased which dw.com is clearly not.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-10-17 15:25||   2022-10-17 15:25|| Front Page Top

#27 Oh, I made a typo. It's proof I don't know what I'm talking about.
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-10-17 15:28||   2022-10-17 15:28|| Front Page Top

#28 Re stakeholder:

US policy is decided by US voters and nobody else. There are no foreign "stakeholders" who get a say in that.

That said: US policy does affect us. Of course we'll write and comment about it. Not just that one journalist of dw.com.

Just as I offer my opinion here.
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-17 15:38||   2022-10-17 15:38|| Front Page Top

#29 Gee. Having an opinion is not the same as trying to influence our elections.

Please don't embarrass yourself saying Chermany never tries to do that.
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-10-17 15:53||   2022-10-17 15:53|| Front Page Top

#30 US policy is decided by US voters and nobody else. There are no foreign "stakeholders" who get a say in that.

Politics in Heaven.
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-10-17 15:59||   2022-10-17 15:59|| Front Page Top

#31 Uncomfortable facts are not "hate speech."

The Truth is not "disinformation."
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-10-17 16:01||   2022-10-17 16:01|| Front Page Top

#32 Oh please. Germany has zero possibilities to "influence" your elections.
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-17 16:01||   2022-10-17 16:01|| Front Page Top

#33 I wish they were that powerless.

I really wish...
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-10-17 16:03||   2022-10-17 16:03|| Front Page Top

#34 As long as there are any "American voters" (not to be confused with actual American citizens) who actually believe the leftist line that eurines are smarter, more sophisticated, etc., etc., eurines and American media will influence our elections.

Saying otherwise is in the "that bag of pot in my pocket was not mine."

I can see eurines being comfortable with that shuck.
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-10-17 16:07||   2022-10-17 16:07|| Front Page Top

#35 Oh please. Germany has zero possibilities to "influence" your elections.
Posted by: European Conservative

Wasn't there a Dominion router or vote counter in Germany for the 2020 election. The one Trump was going to raid?
While individual Germans/Europeans may be friendly towards Americans, their government is not. That being said, I doubt many German citizens care for Americans.
Posted by The Walking Unvaxed 2022-10-17 17:14||   2022-10-17 17:14|| Front Page Top

#36 FWIW I think of the Germans about the same as the Ukrainians.
Posted by The Walking Unvaxed 2022-10-17 17:15||   2022-10-17 17:15|| Front Page Top

#37 ^ This
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-10-17 17:26||   2022-10-17 17:26|| Front Page Top

#38 The "holier than thou" eurine stance Mushed Until No Good - The IT definition of MUNG...
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-10-17 17:31||   2022-10-17 17:31|| Front Page Top

#39 "Wasn't there a Dominion router or vote counter in Germany for the 2020 election."

No. Utter nonsense and debunked multiple times.
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-17 18:12||   2022-10-17 18:12|| Front Page Top

#40 Btw. Mr Murcek, since I'm European, I find "eurine" insulting.
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-17 18:13||   2022-10-17 18:13|| Front Page Top

#41 If I were a German I’d be furious at Americans. We are destroying their economy — deliberately, arrogantly and in the stupidest way imaginable.

The superb Indian diplomat and commentator MK Bhadrakumar put it quite well in his analysis today (he’s writing for an Indian audience btw):

“…mum’s the word from Brussels. It is a profoundly embarrassing moment for the EU. The triumphalism has vanished as Europe is threatened by years of recession caused by the blowback from sanctions against Russia, where the US insisted on the cut off of energy ties with Moscow. The EU has now become a captive market for Big Oil and is left to buy LNG from the US at the asking price, which is six to seven times higher than the domestic price in the US. (Contracted price for long-term Russian supply for Germany used to be about $280 per 1,000 cubic metres as against the current market price hovering around $2,000.)

“Plainly put, the Europeans have been nicely played by the Americans. India should take note of the US’ sense of entitlement. Basically, the Biden administration created a contrived energy crisis whose real aim is war profiteering.”
Posted by Billy B 2022-10-17 18:20||   2022-10-17 18:20|| Front Page Top

#42 War profiteering is a Biden family specialty — not a joke. Look up Janes Biden’s scam with the Iraq Reconstruction Authority while brother Joe was VP tasked with overseeing Iraq policy.
Posted by Billy B 2022-10-17 18:22||   2022-10-17 18:22|| Front Page Top

#43 First of all, dw.com is ONE view (of many) from Germany. As you Rantburg regulars know, I didn't like Trump, never did, never will. Most of you will say: Fair enough.

I happen not to like Biden either. But if I quoted a Germany article that questions Biden's mental capacity (and there are), would you be offended? Would you think that this is a German insult to the U.S. presidency? Would you say: Krauts, stay out of our internal policy?

It's the false equivalency that bugs me. It's like saying 'I am fair minded, I happen to think that Paul Reynaud, Philippe Petain, and Adolph Hitler are all idiots, after all they all led their countries poorly and all failed to stop the holocaust....' when, even if Reynaud was an idiot, it was one of the others that was a member of the machine that committed the act and another that helped him in his dementia... and that it feels like it's late 1943/early 1944 with no D-Day apparent and we have a lot worse things to concern us than Paul Reynaud and the Maginot Line.
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2022-10-17 19:44||   2022-10-17 19:44|| Front Page Top

#44 #40 If I said it, I must have meant it. That means I either owe an apology. Or nothing at all...
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-10-17 19:48||   2022-10-17 19:48|| Front Page Top

#45 The vast bulk of eurines despise America. We saved their armies or beat their armies. Most of them are still apoplectic Reagan tipped over the Soviet rotten apple cart. Their project to be bigger than America or China is a joke that nobody laughed at and now it's almost over.

Yeah, maybe they have reasons to be bitter. That does not mean Americans have to sympathize or like it when they run their sneer act.
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-10-17 20:04||   2022-10-17 20:04|| Front Page Top

#46 just because one journalist of that country publishes something you disagree with.

Deutsche Welle is put out by the German government, just like Voice of America is ours and the BBC is Britain’s.

I don’t believe Germany is trying seriously to impact American voters, unlike, for instance, The Guardian.
Posted by trailing wife 2022-10-17 22:47||   2022-10-17 22:47|| Front Page Top

#47 Wasn't there a Dominion router or vote counter in Germany for the 2020 election."

No. Utter nonsense and debunked multiple times.
Posted by European Conservative

By who? MI5, FBI, CIA, DW?
Heh.
Posted by The Walking Unvaxed 2022-10-17 23:13||   2022-10-17 23:13|| Front Page Top

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