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2020-10-26 -Signs, Portents, and the Weather-
If Masks Don't Work, Why Do We Keep Wearing Them?
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Posted by Dopey Thaiter8666 2020-10-26 00:00|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [617 views ]  Top

#1 Obey
Posted by Rex Mundi 2020-10-26 00:04||   2020-10-26 00:04|| Front Page Top

#2 Magic!
Posted by charger 2020-10-26 00:22||   2020-10-26 00:22|| Front Page Top

#3 I went to the hospital last week in Brookline. Apparently there's a town ordinance mandating the wearing of masks. Out of hundreds of people I spotted getting to and from the hospital, I counted exactly three people not wearing masks, including myself. I can only conclude I am a wolf amongst a vast flock of sheep.
Posted by Raj 2020-10-26 00:53||   2020-10-26 00:53|| Front Page Top

#4 It has much to do about conformity. Little Red Books may not be far behind.
Posted by Clem 2020-10-26 06:20||   2020-10-26 06:20|| Front Page Top

#5 Well, you'd hate for someone who knows So Much More Than You™ to call you a psychopath...
Posted by M. Murcek 2020-10-26 06:40||   2020-10-26 06:40|| Front Page Top

#6 Actual Facts On Mask and Filtration

https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/comparison-mask-standards-rating-effectiveness/

COVID-19 estimated size is between 0.06 microns to 0.12 microns.

FILTRATION BY MASK TYPES

FAILED -
Single use Paper Face Mask 3.0 Microns.

HIT OR MISS
Surgical Masks - depending of Country of origin and their standards.

Reusable Commercially made Cloth Masks - More misses than hits.

N95 = 95% effective

https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/n95-mask-surgical-prevent-transmission-coronavirus/?rel=1

Posted by NN2N1 2020-10-26 07:45||   2020-10-26 07:45|| Front Page Top

#7 Masks are, however, almost 99% effective in keeping maskholes off your back. I find that to be their most valuable feature.
Posted by M. Murcek 2020-10-26 07:47||   2020-10-26 07:47|| Front Page Top

#8 I wear a mask because it keeps other more gullible people happy.

Blisffully unaware it's ordered to re-assure them and give them a sense of safety, that was never a danger anyways.

It's a bit like mandating a seat-belt for your sofa.
Posted by Bright Pebbles 2020-10-26 07:53||   2020-10-26 07:53|| Front Page Top

#9 *BLINK* *BLINK*
Dims say " Thanks, BP, why didn't we think of that? A sofa tax!"
Posted by AlmostAnonymous5839 2020-10-26 08:48||   2020-10-26 08:48|| Front Page Top

#10 I'm still waiting to blast some mask Nazi if I'm spotted without one. The aforementioned trip to the hospital got me plenty of looks and stares; I just stared them all down and nothing's been said so far.
Posted by Raj 2020-10-26 09:09||   2020-10-26 09:09|| Front Page Top

#11 I have been lucky that no Mask Karen got on my case (note: I do follow the local laws), but when taking a walk, I have had two women (separate occasions) leave the sidewalk and walk in the street to avoid walking past me. Pathetic, but whatever floats their boat (and, no, I wasn't going to sucker-punch them).
Posted by Clem 2020-10-26 09:12||   2020-10-26 09:12|| Front Page Top

#12 I wear mine to fuck with facial recognition technology.
Posted by DarthVader 2020-10-26 09:39||   2020-10-26 09:39|| Front Page Top

#13 It is an outward manifestation of fear. We must all pay obeisance to the fear god.
Posted by Iblis 2020-10-26 10:28||   2020-10-26 10:28|| Front Page Top

#14 Stupidest Flu Chic I've seen so far is the three piece bikini.
Posted by swksvolFF 2020-10-26 10:29||   2020-10-26 10:29|| Front Page Top

#15 
Posted by Jiling Gravitch9209 2020-10-26 11:20||   2020-10-26 11:20|| Front Page Top

#16 Because all the Karens will run away from me if I don't.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2020-10-26 11:22||   2020-10-26 11:22|| Front Page Top

#17 N95 = 95% effective


This is what I find most troubling about the whole mask thing: They say the N95 protects the person who wears it. But the N95 lets that person's aerosols escape and so does not protect others. So they recommend that you wear some other type of mask to protect others and trust that they will do the same for you. I'm not all that trusting of some of the other people I see walking around. I see huge gaps in their masks that certainly allow their aerosols escape and often they let their masks slip below their noses.

So, it seems to me if the need for masks was real, nobody would want to wear anything but an N95.

We know that the Democrat party is the party of fear and failure, not the party of the brave and successful. They want us to be afraid so that we will give them control.

I see Biden wearing his mask in the middle of a corn field when there is nobody anywhere near him. That's so stupid that I can't believe anybody will vote for him.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2020-10-26 11:34||   2020-10-26 11:34|| Front Page Top

#18 Well, I guess I am going to be the lone supporter of masks. Any kind of mask.

As a former medical tech who trained in a hospital ER during flu season surrounded by Drs and nurses wearing masks dealing with dozens of flu cases a day, day in and day out, and non of them ever got the flu from all of these people they were treating, that sold me on masks.

As someone who uses a major city's mass transit system every day where many people w
Now wear masks and a handful of vagrants who don't wear masks ride along with us complaining of fever, coughs and chills...

We build walls, fences, barriers to keep that which we don't out all the time as best as we can so as far as the respiratory system goes, masks do help.
Posted by Angeater Omick2705 2020-10-26 11:58||   2020-10-26 11:58|| Front Page Top

#19 For NN2N1 and whoever else might be interested — I previously posted the link in comments rather late:

FAQs: Health Shields vs Face Masks (surgical and cloth)

A hotlink to a web page with journal references supporting the FAQ claims is found in the right margin of the link.
Posted by trailing wife 2020-10-26 12:50||   2020-10-26 12:50|| Front Page Top

#20 According to the CDC, masks are ineffective against the flu.

"We did not find evidence that surgical-type face masks are effective in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza transmission, either when worn by infected persons (source control) or by persons in the general community to reduce their susceptibility (Figure 2). However, as with hand hygiene, face masks might be able to reduce the transmission of other infections and therefore have value in an influenza pandemic when healthcare resources are stretched."

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article
Posted by Craig O 2020-10-26 14:09||   2020-10-26 14:09|| Front Page Top

#21 Masks do work. A little. Depending on mask and how worn. When the fear was the risk was aerosol transmission masks were of little value. Seems to be that for most people aerosols don't contain enough pathogen for severe infection, and masks do reduce droplet transmission, so they do reduce risk of severe infection. Combined with social distancing and good hygiene masks do help. They don't make anyone 'safe.' And they won't solve COVID. Nothing will - it's loose in the environment, and like flu, vaccines will be only partially effective (if that.) If we want to get rid of it we need 100% lockdown for a month, no exceptions, people have heart attacks and die and rot in their homes, etc. Politically unacceptable - but might well result in fewer net deaths in the end.
Posted by Glenmore 2020-10-26 14:56||   2020-10-26 14:56|| Front Page Top

#22 If we want to get rid of it we need 100% lockdown for a month, no exceptions
Google "asymptomatic carriers"
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-10-26 15:08||   2020-10-26 15:08|| Front Page Top

#23 Even then the virus would come back. And a 100% lockdown isn't possible. More people would die from it than from all infection diseases combined.
Posted by European Conservative 2020-10-26 15:11||   2020-10-26 15:11|| Front Page Top

#24 Thanks Trailing Wife".
Always looking for more "FACTUAL" Info...

Strange as it sounds most of the Factual data seems to be coming from PRE-C19 2000-2018 Research and White Paper documents.
Posted by NN2N1 2020-10-26 15:39||   2020-10-26 15:39|| Front Page Top

#25 Our county mandates them indoors in public businesses or medical facilities. So I wear them in the store or doc's office. Soon as I walk outside, like most other Texans, it comes off. Very few parents wear them at the soccer fields on Saturdays for the kids games. So far as do I think they work? I really have ZERO flaming clue anymore. There's been so much back and forth, at this point that I no longer believe any of them.

Posted by Silentbrick 2020-10-26 15:47||   2020-10-26 15:47|| Front Page Top

#26 grom, a month of lockdown should, in principle, get past the asymptomatic carriers contagious period. Masks don't stop the virus, merely delay it somewhat.
EC, indeed, 100% lockdown is not possible in Western society. Whether the ultimate cost in life is higher or lower than from COVID can never be known.
Posted by Glenmore 2020-10-26 15:54||   2020-10-26 15:54|| Front Page Top

#27 #26 Glenmore I don't mean people who didn't develop symptoms yet. I mean asymptomatic carriers (wiki) like Typhoid Mary (or Magic Johnson). People who go for years having no symptoms but capable of infecting others (their immune system is in dynamic equilibrium with pathogen).
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-10-26 16:02||   2020-10-26 16:02|| Front Page Top

#28 Covid is much like a tick....looking for a host.
Posted by crazyhorse 2020-10-26 16:16||   2020-10-26 16:16|| Front Page Top

#29 My wife puts the mask on and jokes about Shaun of the Dead when they pretended to be Zombies to be left alone.
Posted by rjschwarz 2020-10-26 16:48||   2020-10-26 16:48|| Front Page Top

#30 Grom, if that’s the case then nothing ever can stop it and we have to learn to live and die with it.
Posted by Glenmore  2020-10-26 17:39||   2020-10-26 17:39|| Front Page Top

#31 Grom, if that’s the case then nothing ever can stop it and we have to learn to live and die with it.

Possibly. The other possibility is that it will induce some, much overdue*, pure research in immunology.

*We've been using immune memory (via vaccination) for a 1000 years, yet we still know diddly squat about how immune memory works.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-10-26 17:50||   2020-10-26 17:50|| Front Page Top

#32 I don't wear a mask except when specifically asked to, and that includes trips inside stores that have signs on the doors saying "Mask required". Most stores won't enforce it. We must let the powers that be know that we won't tolerate this perpetual deprivation of liberty and that we will not EVER consider this "normal".
Posted by Crusader 2020-10-26 17:57||   2020-10-26 17:57|| Front Page Top

#33 if that’s the case then nothing ever can stop it and we have to learn to live and die with it. That has been the case since the beginning. Obviously a huge fraction of the population already knows how to live with it AND not die of it. Other people's mileage can and does vary. There will be other pandemics, count on that.
Posted by Dino Omomble9051 2020-10-26 18:07||   2020-10-26 18:07|| Front Page Top

#34 @abu ulique: N95 masks do work against COVID, especially if both parties are wearing them.

However, civilians can't buy them at this time. In fact, the CDC says civilians should not wear them, they must be reserved for front line health care workers.

3M is gearing up to produce two billion masks a year by the end of 2020 (!!). There has been a complete market dislocation for the past eight months, replete with fraud and gouging.

I have a number of N95 around, because I have always used them for sanding and sweeping. Most of the uses are industrial. Trump should have used the DPA more forcefully to crank up production earlier.
Posted by KBK 2020-10-26 22:08||   2020-10-26 22:08|| Front Page Top

#35 That's what I use when I don, with the two elastic straps which go around the back of the head.

The catch is that those straps can be susceptible to weather and snapping, so a primary and two backups.
Posted by swksvolFF 2020-10-26 22:30||   2020-10-26 22:30|| Front Page Top

#36 *One catch is that mine are latex straps, so if you have an issue with latex be aware.

To examine the other sides of the issue in fairness, I go back again to March when masks were being, uhem, "Voluntarily Compelled", one customer was following the meme "what good is a mask if your pants can't contain the smell of a fart?" to which I replied, "True; but if the fellow in front of you sharts you would be glad they had pants on."
Posted by swksvolFF 2020-10-26 22:31||   2020-10-26 22:31|| Front Page Top

#37 Sorry about the multipost, was getting word zapped.
Posted by swksvolFF 2020-10-26 22:31||   2020-10-26 22:31|| Front Page Top

#38 Health Shield remind me of a 3 season porch with the sliding glass door wide open. A joke to particulates.

One major problem with any masks, people, users who handle the inside. Transferring any fingered germs- viruses next to the face- nose.
Posted by Woodrow 2020-10-26 23:32||   2020-10-26 23:32|| Front Page Top

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