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2020-04-09 -Land of the Free

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Posted by Clem 2020-04-09 09:08|| || Front Page|| [11132 views ] Top

#1 The party of Science™

Posted by M. Murcek 2020-04-09 10:36|| 2020-04-09 10:36|| Front Page Top

#2 The German landkreis (county) of Heinsberg (pop. 100,000) had the earliest uncontrolled breakout of the virus in February.

The renowned German virologist Hendrik Streeck conducted a very thorough research in the most hit community of Gangelt where the outbreak started during a carnival session. For the first time a representative sample of people were tested including those without any symptoms.

A conservative estimate says that 15% of the population (other calculation methods say 20%) contracted the virus, most without any symptoms.

This would bring the death rate (Germany currently 1.8%) down to 0.37%. An the overwhelming majority of deaths are old people with preconditions (obesity, diabetes, heart and lung problems, smokers).

It's therefore quite possible that Spain, Italy, France and Germany (and most likely the U.S.) have millions of infected already, and most people either feel nothing or just think they have a common cold.

Poor hospital situations may be to blame for the "high death rates" in Italy, Spain and France. But if millions are already infected, they aren't that high.

This may just turn out to be like a season with a severe flu wave. Covid-19 is not the flu, but most people will be affected like they'd be in a flu wave.

If that's true, most measures taken in order to "flatten the curve" are extremely exaggerated. Numbers skyrocketed, because everyone started testing like crazy. For the same reason the curve is flattening now.

We probably don't need a shut down. All we need is:

1) 2 m (6ft) distance, period.
2) Thorough and frequent hand hygiene
3) Extensive testing
4) Protecting the elderly

We don't need to shut down the economy and lose trillions. We need social distancing until a vaccine is developed. This can be done without ruining the economy.

Posted by European Conservative 2020-04-09 15:00|| 2020-04-09 15:00|| Front Page Top

#3 I recently saw a ZDF video with Dr. Streeck, and I believe he even debunked the idea that things like a Türklinke (door "knob") carry the virus and can infect people.

Interesting how many of the videos I've seen from the non-hysteria point of view have been mostly from Germany with maybe France pitching in. We could use more of them!

Posted by Clem 2020-04-09 15:06|| 2020-04-09 15:06|| Front Page Top

#4 Yes it seems the socalled "smear infection" is overrated.
To contract a living virus, an infected person would need to cough directly at the door knob, another person has to touch it within minutes and the touch his nose or mouth with the same hand soon.

The most common way to get the virus is standing close to an infected coughing person or shaking the hand of an infected person who coughed in his hand.

This can be avoided quite easily.

Posted by European Conservative 2020-04-09 15:16|| 2020-04-09 15:16|| Front Page Top

#5 The virus can - under lab condition - survive a while on door knobs but it's ar more likely that you touch a dead virus and/or simply not enough of the buggers.

Posted by European Conservative 2020-04-09 15:18|| 2020-04-09 15:18|| Front Page Top

#6 I've had a nasty cold, then the flu, then pneumonia (only one lung), then another nasty cold for months. Started in early November. I hurt all over for months. I seem, and feel, fine now. Only the good die young. My VA doctor says I am too cussed to die. Yet. Hope so.

Posted by Whiskey Mike 2020-04-09 21:40|| 2020-04-09 21:40|| Front Page Top

#7 ^ too young to die / too old to rock 'n' roll

Me too

Posted by Lex 2020-04-09 21:53|| 2020-04-09 21:53|| Front Page Top

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