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2020-04-03 China-Japan-Koreas
China Is Preparing to Start a War with America
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Posted by Besoeker 2020-04-03 02:33|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [582 views ]  Top

#1 Complex Epsilon-Delta mathematical proofs are unnecessary. A careful analysis will provide (likely has provided) an answer containing one or more of the following elements:

a. A simple laboratory accident involving the release of deadly bio-pathogens.
b. A naturally occurring epidemologial event resulting from wet market bush-meat.
c. The release of deadly bio-pathogens under the cover of an accident, i.e. a probing attack.
d. The release of deadly bio-pathogens as a precursor to actual conflict.

Again, I believe the supporting and confirming analysis is already in hand.
Unfortunately, I am privy to none of it.
Posted by Besoeker 2020-04-03 02:58||   2020-04-03 02:58|| Front Page Top

#2 #1 I'll take (a) for 10 bucks - you don't release biological agents until you have protection for your own population.

More importantly, before Wuhan China was riding high - the pandemic is the worst thing that could've happened to them.

Whether NOW, after their commercial empire crashed, they may be motivated to start a war is a different question entirely.

My take, not if Trump is POTUS.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-04-03 03:17||   2020-04-03 03:17|| Front Page Top

#3 In support of g(r)om's $10. bet:

The Right Scoop - REPORT: Coronavirus expert says virus could have leaked from Wuhan lab
Posted by Besoeker 2020-04-03 03:27||   2020-04-03 03:27|| Front Page Top

#4 >until you have protection for your own population

Since when have communist countries protected their population? They are merely are resource for the politburo to spend on their glory.
Posted by Bright Pebbles 2020-04-03 03:31||   2020-04-03 03:31|| Front Page Top

#5 >until you have protection for your own population

Multiple benefits are usually derived from trading in an old clunker for a new vehicle. Relief from the headache of maintenance costs being one.
Posted by Besoeker 2020-04-03 03:38||   2020-04-03 03:38|| Front Page Top

#6 Since when have communist countries protected their population? They are merely are resource for the politburo to spend on their glory.

But not to waste for no good purpose. Think farmer with his livestock.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-04-03 03:38||   2020-04-03 03:38|| Front Page Top

#7 All fantastic points.
Posted by Woodrow 2020-04-03 03:40||   2020-04-03 03:40|| Front Page Top

#8 #5 Wuhan is one of their most important manufacturing centers.

Anyways, they're not dumb. If it were a deliberate release, it would've taken place somewhere far away. Just imagine how hard USA would've been hit if you didn't have a warning from that was happening in China & Europe.

Look, all I'm saying: don't underestimate your enemy.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-04-03 03:43||   2020-04-03 03:43|| Front Page Top

#9 If it were a deliberate release, it would've taken place somewhere far away.

Is Da Nang, Vietnam distant enough ?
Posted by Besoeker 2020-04-03 03:47||   2020-04-03 03:47|| Front Page Top

#10 #9 Sorry?
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-04-03 03:47||   2020-04-03 03:47|| Front Page Top

#11 #9 According to Wikipedia, they didn't even have any (or noticeably many) cases before end of March
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-04-03 03:53||   2020-04-03 03:53|| Front Page Top

#12 
See comment #4 in this thread.
Posted by Herb McCoy 2020-04-03 06:12||   2020-04-03 06:12|| Front Page Top

#13 I'll take (a) for 10 bucks - you don't release biological agents until you have protection for your own population.

Remember though force collectivization of farmers creating a famine that kills millions isn't a biological agent, just party policy. See - Ukraine Famine
Posted by Procopius2k 2020-04-03 06:25||   2020-04-03 06:25|| Front Page Top

#14 Hey, Herb, Admiral Yamamoto is said to have grave misgivings about attacking the Americans, having studied there and crossed the country seeing its industrial potential and population. Did his calculations have any weight with the leadership of his Asian country decision to launch a war. No.

You need a long time out to bone up on Chinese history.

1. They consider the Middle Kingdom to be the greatest civilization on earth. Technically, it probably was up till the early 1700s.

2. They've been humbled by the outside barbarian since.

3. They want to claim their place again. They are socially and politically at the same spot the Japanese found themselves in the early part of the 20th Century. They are just as racist/tribal and chauvinistic as any other population.

Posted by Procopius2k 2020-04-03 06:38||   2020-04-03 06:38|| Front Page Top

#15 It was a bio weapon that was leaked
Why were they developing a virus that our immune systems wouldn’t recognize?
Why do you develop bio weapons except to potentially use them
Why hasn’t some one stated the obvious that PRC is violating all of those nifty treaties about biological warfare?
Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2020-04-03 07:12||   2020-04-03 07:12|| Front Page Top

#16 They've been humbled before (see 13th century) but assimilated the barbarians.

Can't see them provoking us to that point, what's in it for them? Are they that hard up for an ego boost?

They are known for patience. They can wait out PDJT working to bring the next Hillary in...they almost succeeded in 2016.
Posted by AlanC 2020-04-03 07:18||   2020-04-03 07:18|| Front Page Top

#17 
See comment #4 in this thread.
Posted by Herb McCoy 2020-04-03 07:59||   2020-04-03 07:59|| Front Page Top

#18 /\ Thanks for bringing us along. I'm really not sure where we'd be without you Herb.
Posted by Besoeker 2020-04-03 08:02||   2020-04-03 08:02|| Front Page Top

#19 I am once again amused by the intellectual prowess of someone who thinks citing a Japanese example and applying it to the Chinese is somehow valid. Because they're "Asian".

I'm amused by someone who has never done the time and studied Asian history and culture to grasp anything related to it. The long line of influence of China-> via Korea -> Japan is in the books.

"Place in the Sun" knows no cultural exclusivity. Just look at the Jihadists trying to re-establish the Caliphate.

Herb, your mind is just as closed as those who you accuse of the same.
Posted by Procopius2k 2020-04-03 08:15||   2020-04-03 08:15|| Front Page Top

#20 OK, let me put it another way.
Who was the principal beneficiary of the "World without borders" that novel coronavirus ended?

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-04-03 08:45||   2020-04-03 08:45|| Front Page Top

#21 ...American Unions?
Posted by Procopius2k 2020-04-03 09:13||   2020-04-03 09:13|| Front Page Top

#22 China hasn't been coy that their primary target is the United States. They've been saying that for decades.

That said, I lean towards the release being an accident. A lab animal with a new virus that could infect humans was "disposed" in the market rather than the incinerator.
Posted by Rob Crawford 2020-04-03 09:15||   2020-04-03 09:15|| Front Page Top

#23 Hey, the Chinese at least have this going for them, Herb: they can do all that and still you come up with reasons that they're not really trying to passively-aggressively go to war with us. Multiply that by all the old-time libertarian isolationists and all the old-line communists in the Dems who helped sell China _and_ Vietnam _and_ North Korea to International Communism to begin with, and it adds up.
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2020-04-03 09:23||   2020-04-03 09:23|| Front Page Top

#24 I'll take c) Probing attack, for $2,000 Alex
Posted by Lex 2020-04-03 09:30||   2020-04-03 09:30|| Front Page Top

#25 Nah. Chinese can afford to wait another 20 or 30 years until all the remaining industry has been shipped over to them and few native engineers and (hard) scientists remain, only H1B imports. We'll probably surrender to them at the first mention of them cutting off our 6G body computers.
Posted by Shock Ominese5736 2020-04-03 10:01||   2020-04-03 10:01|| Front Page Top

#26 Why does anyone assume they're entirely rational, deliberate, well-organized?

The CCP leadership are extraordinarily greedy, venal, chaotic, and torn apart by internal conflicts. Even the Soviets were more stable and predictable than these vicious and corrupt weasels.
Posted by Lex 2020-04-03 10:09||   2020-04-03 10:09|| Front Page Top

#27 Excellent comment dialogue.
Posted by Besoeker 2020-04-03 10:10||   2020-04-03 10:10|| Front Page Top

#28 I still have have lingering thoughts of (e) kill/disband your own protesters to save your politburo necks from being torn apart by the crowds. But then I may be alone at that.
Posted by rjschwarz 2020-04-03 10:38||   2020-04-03 10:38|| Front Page Top

#29 /\ You are definitely not "alone."
Posted by Besoeker 2020-04-03 11:01||   2020-04-03 11:01|| Front Page Top

#30 Great thread. Love me some Rantburg.

I'm (a) followed by opportunistic (e). The organizing principle of current China is preservation of the Party's power. The existential contagion was protest not coronavirus. In amplifying the response to an infectious outbreak, China was able to turn the totalitarian knob to high. Imagine the roundup of trouble makers that occurred under cover of COVID...

There's been a follow on opportunistic response in the west (f) catalyzed by (e). These are boom times for authoritarians.
Posted by Classical_Liberal 2020-04-03 11:02||   2020-04-03 11:02|| Front Page Top

#31 Maybe a), then opportunistic follow-on steps e) and c)
Posted by Lex 2020-04-03 11:08||   2020-04-03 11:08|| Front Page Top

#32 The virus has 8 or more major flavors. Each one that targets one people better than the other. I am sorry random evolution does not make successful flavors that fast.

I am of the point of view that they have been working on this set of beasties in the Wuhan Lab since at least 2004.

I believe China was developing them for release at the Japan Olympics. It accidentally got released earlier so what the heck... China said "Let's do it! Release all the forms on the world! Just the one virus form at home."

Posted by 3dc 2020-04-03 11:25||   2020-04-03 11:25|| Front Page Top

#33 Ref #32: I believe China was developing them for release at the Japan Olympics. It accidentally got released earlier so what the heck... China said "Let's do it! Release all the forms on the world! Just the one virus form at home." Posted by 3dc

Provocative! A potentially unexplored hypothesis, at least here. Great work 3dc.
Posted by Besoeker 2020-04-03 11:33||   2020-04-03 11:33|| Front Page Top

#34 Maybe they thought wrecking the US economy would keep Trump from being reelected. Maybe they thought it was at least worth a try. You know they'd much rather have a pliant Joe Biden in office than Trump who is wise to them.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2020-04-03 12:17||   2020-04-03 12:17|| Front Page Top

#35 And then, right on cue, Nancy and Schifferbrains launch yet another investigation to try to blame it on Trump.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2020-04-03 12:19||   2020-04-03 12:19|| Front Page Top

#36 As for their own citizens, heck, when you have 1.4 billion you can afford to lose a few. You know the Inner Party is safely ensconced at locations forbidden to the unwashed.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2020-04-03 12:22||   2020-04-03 12:22|| Front Page Top

#37 All interesting points to ponder. I wonder how China’s ports and shipping firms are bracing for a second wave of supply chain disruptions (page 3) figures in?

Did the Chicoms miss that factor? Not care? Seems like this would add pressure to the population, thus feeding their unrest. Or is there no one left to complain?
Posted by Bobby 2020-04-03 12:31||   2020-04-03 12:31|| Front Page Top

#38 Of course, this did knock Hong kong off the front pages. The CCP may have considered HK a worse threat than the virus.
Posted by Matt 2020-04-03 13:13||   2020-04-03 13:13|| Front Page Top

#39 I'm (a) followed by opportunistic (e).

^
This.

The release may not have been planned, but it's created a geopolitical dynamic which the PRC is now exploiting with their "this was an American military op" meme.

With help from the Western left and the Justin Raimondo types.
Posted by charger 2020-04-03 13:44||   2020-04-03 13:44|| Front Page Top

#40 Which one is the chicken shit?
Posted by bbrewer126  2020-04-03 15:31||   2020-04-03 15:31|| Front Page Top

#41 Seems if we go with this Olympic theory, China screws up and let's the first flavor of virus go in their own populace. Knowing the mistake,they try to keep it hidden as possible,while buying supplies,to try and put the cat back into the bag. While,knowing their special ops secret is out of the bag,unleash the other strains on the other countries.
Posted by bbrewer126  2020-04-03 15:45||   2020-04-03 15:45|| Front Page Top

#42 It's just a theory possibly worth exploring.
An interesting take on COVID-19...

Hmmm... one has to wonder...?????????????

The corona Virus travelled entire world from Wuhan but it did not reach Beijing and Shanghai... can anybody put light?

Looks So Logical....After all Chinese Stock Market didn't crash....American and European Markets did....

Destroy other markets and be ready to capture them in every way

How to dominate the world quickly?

THE GREAT CHINESE STAGE

1. Create a virus and the antidote.

2. Spread the virus.

3. A demonstration of efficiency, building hospitals in a few days. After all, you were already prepared, with the projects, ordering the equipment, hiring the labor, the water and sewage network, the prefabricated building materials and stocked in an impressive volume.

4. Cause chaos in the world, starting with Europe.

5. Quickly plaster the economy of dozens of countries.

6. Stop production lines in factories in other countries.

7. Cause stock markets to fall and buy companies at a bargain price.

8. Quickly control the epidemic in your country. After all, you were already prepared.

9. Lower the price of commodities, including the price of oil you buy on a large scale.

10. Get back to producing quickly while the world is at a standstill. Buy what you negotiated cheaply in the crisis and sell more expensive what is lacking in countries that have paralyzed their industries.

PS: Pl read the book by Chinese colonels Qiao Liang and Wang Xiangsui, from 1999, “Unrestricted Warfare: China’s master plan to destroy America”, on Amazon. It's all there.

Worth pondering..

Just Think about this...

How come Russia & North Korea are totally free of Covid- 19? Because they are staunch ally of China. Not a single case reported from this 2 countries. On the other hand South Korea / United Kingdom / Italy / Spain and Asia are severely hit. How come Wuhan is suddenly free from the deadly virus?

China will say that their drastic initial measures they took was very stern and Wuhan was locked down to contain the spread to other areas. I am sure they are using the Anti dode of the virus.

Why Beijing was not hit? Why only Wuhan? Kind of interesting to ponder upon.. right? Well ..Wuhan is open for business now. America and all the above mentioned countries are devastated financially. Soon American economy will collapse as planned by China. China knows it CANNOT defeat America militarily as USA is at present

THE MOST POWERFUL country in the world. So use the virus...to cripple the economy and paralyse the nation and its Defense capabilities. I'm sure Nancy Pelosi got a part in this. . to topple Trump. Lately President Trump was always telling of how GREAT American economy was improving in all fronts. The only way to destroy his vision of making AMERICA GREAT AGAIN is to create an economic havoc. Nancy Pelosi was unable to bring down Trump thru impeachment. ....so work along with China to destroy Trump by releasing a virus. Wuhan,s epidemic was a showcase. At the peak of the virus epidemic.

China's President Xi Jinping...just wore a simple RM1 facemask to visit those effected areas. As President he should be covered from head to toe.....but it was not the case. He was already injected to resist any harm from the virus....that means a cure was already in place before the virus was released.

Some may ask....Bill Gates already predicted the outbreak in 2015...so the chinese agenda cannot be true. The answer is. ..YES...Bill Gates did predict. .but that prediction is based on a genuine virus outbreak. Now China is also telling that the virus was predicted well in advance. ....so that its agenda would play along well to match that prediction. China,s vision is to control the World economy by buying up stocks now from countries facing the brink of severe ECONOMIC COLLAPSE. Later China will announce that their Medical Researchers have found a cure to destroy the virus. Now China have other countries stocks in their arsenal and these countries will soon be slave to their master...CHINA.

Just Think about it ...

The Doctor Who declared this virus was also Silenced by the Chinese Authorities...
Posted by Besoeker 2020-04-03 16:29||   2020-04-03 16:29|| Front Page Top

#43 The corona Virus travelled entire world from Wuhan but it did not reach Beijing and Shanghai... can anybody put light?

Like I said, you know the Inner Party is safely ensconced at locations forbidden to the unwashed. That's an easy one for a totalitarian police state.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2020-04-03 16:42||   2020-04-03 16:42|| Front Page Top

#44 The corona Virus travelled entire world from Wuhan but it did not reach Beijing and Shanghai... can anybody put light?

False claim: In China the coronavirus only hit Wuhan, Chinese stock market unaffected

How come Russia & North Korea are totally free of Covid- 19? Because they are staunch ally of China.

2020 coronavirus pandemic in Russia

And we all heard about the Norks.

Moenie die hoender ruk nie, Besoeker.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-04-03 16:48||   2020-04-03 16:48|| Front Page Top

#45 Regarding the idea of this being an attack... The US has been on a mission to self-destruct for a few decades know. Even the War on Terror only brought us together for a short while. Certainly the Chinese could have seen this and waited another decade before launching an attack that would be the only thing likely to snap the US out of our liberal spiral.
Posted by rjschwarz 2020-04-03 16:55||   2020-04-03 16:55|| Front Page Top

#46 I'm in the accidental release from a lab grouping, and that the subsequent events including a massive overreaction on the part of the West has opened opportunities for exploitation in terms of increasing market/[roduction share of industries worldwide. The US has driven itself into a deep depression economically, and it will take a long time to repair the damages and second/third order consequences, not the least of which is public trust in our government by a large number of our citizens, pushed hard by the left unaware of this being their biggest loss longterm. The silver lining might be a return to quasi-isolationism as we become a hemispheric power and reindustrializing the nation, while losing the globalist mindset of the next generations and reintroducing trade and job skills over farcical pieces of paper. Fingers crossed Trump man-ups and starts the economy back end of April or before? Shelter in place the most vulnerable and get on with herd immunity while we find a vaccine for us old farts!
Posted by NoMoreBS 2020-04-03 18:13||   2020-04-03 18:13|| Front Page Top

#47 silver lining might be a return to quasi-isolationism as we become a hemispheric power and reindustrializing the nation, while losing the globalist mindset

Bingo.

Less stuff, a slightly lower material standard of living but much stronger communities and families and a healthier culture.

Less capital diverted to bullshit consumer tech and a vast increase in funding of
1) infrastructure / deferred maintenance
2) basic biomedical research.
(Also an increase in funding of traditional high culture consumed locally in live performances rather than Hollywood garbage designed for a global market - see "healthiervukture," above).

Fewer college degrees given but each one worth more, and much less student debt.

A foreign policy of smart realism based on overwhelming force, cleverly-designed bilateral alliances, and above all, getting close to Russia and isolating China.

As to our domestic politics I've no f---ing idea how to fix the terminal rot that afflicts our Shitshow political class. Exile them for 10 years?
Posted by Lex 2020-04-03 19:01||   2020-04-03 19:01|| Front Page Top

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