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2019-12-07 Terror Networks
ISIS 2.0 and Guerilla Tactics - The Local Lone Wolf Strike.
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Posted by Dron66046 2019-12-07 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11133 views ]  Top
 File under: Islamic State 

#1 Where'd this information come from? Where are the citations?

And before anyone starts more playground insults, this is how adults discuss affairs. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

Or is this leaking classified information about an investigation in progress? If so a report needs to be made to the appropriate authorities.
Posted by Herb McCoy  2019-12-07 02:20||   2019-12-07 02:20|| Front Page Top

#2 I'm trying to share what I can for now.

Calm down, Herb.
Posted by gorb 2019-12-07 02:33||   2019-12-07 02:33|| Front Page Top

#3 St. Slobodan (Miloshevich) the first martyr of the Tranzi/Muzzi alliance?
Posted by g(r)omgoru PB 2019-12-07 03:14||   2019-12-07 03:14|| Front Page Top

#4 is this leaking classified information about an investigation in progress?

I never trade barbs with people on the internet, or anywhere really. It's uncharitable and puerile. I tried to think up some word describing such monumental assholery that being a suicidal liberal voter pales in comparison to it. But then I deleted it. Now I know what a troll does to people and am richer for it, thanks to Herb.

As for the citations and evidence, they do not exist yet, apart from seemingly unrelated stuff being written off in the media as one-off lone wolf attacks and arrest reports. Which is why my input's in yellow. You can choose to ignore it, the mods can take it down. But this is going down now. There's no chance the media can capitalize it even if they wanted to. No story here, that does not 'endanger the social fabric itself'. A lump of hot coal really.

If my info is correct, we shall be seeing an increasing number of 'inexplicable' incidents on bases, cantonments, police stations, public services etc. They will be carried out by people living among us for years, those who have earned our trust, wear our colors. All I'm saying is, the incidents would not be unrelated, they are meant to be concerted. Granted, they're going to be pathetic and desperate, a bid to recruit more losers. But the very knowledge of such attempts seems to have inadvertently wizened us somehow. The french are disarming their 'likely loons', the british have blown this up in the faces of the bureaucrats who push for diversity in srvices. Some people better than I are going to be soon writing about this.

God Bless the French, the English, the Malaysian SB for sharing and cooperating. Many seem to be correcting course. I hope to God, every house is able to contain this, without incident. Godspeed to all uniforms out there.
Posted by Dron66046 2019-12-07 04:02||   2019-12-07 04:02|| Front Page Top

#5 I'm not "trolling", I'm being skeptical about some very strange claims. I then asked for more information and sources. That's not trolling. It's the correct response.

It also struck me that it might be classified information from an investigation in progress, so I aired that concern as well. Also a prudent step, as anyone here knows.
Posted by Herb McCoy  2019-12-07 04:21||   2019-12-07 04:21|| Front Page Top

#6 
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-12-07 04:24||   2019-12-07 04:24|| Front Page Top

#7 I then asked for more information and sources.

Okay. Will try and set the relevant links in order when I can. I'm sure the separate news of all distributed events will have been printed.
Posted by Dron66046 2019-12-07 04:44||   2019-12-07 04:44|| Front Page Top

#8 He's trolling, as usual.
Posted by Frank G 2019-12-07 06:56||   2019-12-07 06:56|| Front Page Top

#9 Must be an oreo and couch kind of morning.
Posted by swksvolFF 2019-12-07 11:03||   2019-12-07 11:03|| Front Page Top

#10 A bit of silence here would be prudent, Mr. McCoy.

Dron is a straight shooter. He's got absolutely zero to gain from this little website, and frankly, he's doing you and us a service. Leave his info alone.

Maybe best to go out and walk the dog, shovel some snow, or take some leaves.
Posted by Lex 2019-12-07 11:24||   2019-12-07 11:24|| Front Page Top

#11 * rake some leaves. Had no [conscious] intention of telling you what to do with those leaves...
Posted by Lex 2019-12-07 11:26||   2019-12-07 11:26|| Front Page Top

#12 Man says he just got back from his favorite fishing hole and caught a lot of big fish, you can weigh how many and how large the fish are, but to ask where the fishing hole is will get a polite, "Go find your own."
Posted by swksvolFF 2019-12-07 12:31||   2019-12-07 12:31|| Front Page Top

#13 There are some things that do not seem to change, Herb McCoy’s response to bad actions by Muslims being one of them.

Moving back to thoughtful discussion, as I first read through Dron66046’s highlighted commentary, yesterday’s events and the sudden spurt of jihadi attacks by those previously quiescent fit into his proposed pattern. In the old Cold War days they used to be call sleeper agents. And we know from recent arrests that Iran has a slew of them here in addition to the Sunni ones. G(r)omgoru’s incredulous 4 years of training???? in the Pensacola base shooting thread underlines the sleeper aspect, as does the fact that the Saudis thoroughly vetted shooter Mohammed Saeed Alshamrani as well as the six other Saudis arrested last night for involvement.

No doubt the honourable rank and file investigators at the FBI are happy to have something better to think about than the nonsense their senior officers have been getting up to in recent years.
Posted by trailing wife 2019-12-07 13:32||   2019-12-07 13:32|| Front Page Top

#14 Ironic that those senior FBI and intel folks who fulminate and scheme about nailing OrangeMan for alleged treason have been so slipshod in protecting us and our Constitution from jihadist sleepers.

Who's really betraying the country?
Posted by Lex 2019-12-07 13:37||   2019-12-07 13:37|| Front Page Top

#15 We're not weighing any fish. All we're doing is hearing fish stories, with no evidence of any fish or even a fishing hole.

Yaknow, when a request for sources is met with accusations of trolling, that's a pretty bad-faith reply. I thought people were supposed to be up on intel methods.
Posted by Herb McCoy 2019-12-07 14:11||   2019-12-07 14:11|| Front Page Top

#16 All depends on the source of the request, Herb.
Posted by g(r)omgoru PB 2019-12-07 14:16||   2019-12-07 14:16|| Front Page Top

#17 Errr, Herb?

You hinted darkly that Dron was "leaking classified information about an investigation in progress" and made a veiled threat to "[make] a report to .. the appropriate authorities."

You really need to back down here.

I'm not saying this because I did agree with your politics or your conclusions, or because I just don't like the cut of your job, but because you seem to be making veiled threats toward another member of the 'burg. Not kosher.
Posted by Lex 2019-12-07 14:17||   2019-12-07 14:17|| Front Page Top

#18 * disagree
* cut of your jib
Posted by Lex 2019-12-07 14:17||   2019-12-07 14:17|| Front Page Top

#19 "veiled threats"? The man is talking like he has inside information. This is what leaked classified info looks like, I've certainly read enough of it.

That's why I asked for sources, if it's public then great, plus the info gets reinforced and we can cross-check with other sources with a few web searches.

Are you people not accustomed to doing this? I just assumed this was standard practice.
Posted by Herb McCoy 2019-12-07 14:31||   2019-12-07 14:31|| Front Page Top

#20 Whew, because you sounded like you were concerned that credible secret info was being cited.

Always good to know the difference between who tells you the species, length to the millimeter, and weight to the ounce, and who is simply bragging.
Posted by swksvolFF 2019-12-07 14:37||   2019-12-07 14:37|| Front Page Top

#21 You don’t have to believe Dron66046, Mr. McCoy. Watch the world and the reports here, and draw your own conclusions based on the evidence. But I have found his descriptions and explanations of events in his own country compelling, and am therefore inclined to trust his broader claims.

It is true that ISIS has reportedly not found a welcome in Pakistan’s crowded jihadi field, and we’ve had reports here — I posted a number from the Afghan press — that in Afghanistan ISIS is being attacked by the Taliban as well as by Afghan government forces. And the other day I did ask why the sudden cluster of knife attacks in England and Europe.

It could be that the sight of Christmas markets is triggering to a certain type, but it is also possible that the sleeper agents ISIS boasted of sending in with the flood of asylum seekers following Angela Merkel’s invitation in 2015 really exist, and the various agencies are finally getting serious about doing something.

One of Rantburg’s strengths over the years has been the reports and perspective from locals in various parts of the world. Dron66046 is not unique for us, only our newest addition. But like True German Ally of blessed memory, who reported advising Angela Merkel, playing chess with Pope Benedict when he was a mere bishop, and pointing out Rantburg to Donald Rumsfeld (not to mention enjoying the hospitality of both Nazi concentration camps and Soviet gulags in his youth), he reports from deep within areas of interest to us.
Posted by trailing wife 2019-12-07 14:39||   2019-12-07 14:39|| Front Page Top

#22 Ref #21: One of Rantburg’s strengths over the years has been the reports and perspective from locals in various parts of the world.

Israel being the exception an example.
Posted by Besoeker 2019-12-07 15:02||   2019-12-07 15:02|| Front Page Top

#23 That's why I asked for sources, if it's public then great, plus the info gets reinforced and we can cross-check with other sources with a few web searches.

What would pass for acceptable evidence? Pay slips and W-4s for the past 5 years? Strategic planning documents in Arabic? Expense account reimbursements? A Wikipedia article?

We don't always have the luxury of direct evidence. In science, we make up stories about how the world works. Then we make predictions based on those stories and go look for evidence our stories are true. Sometimes there is something we can measure directly, sometimes the evidence is indirect, sometimes we have to wait for the results as a process plays out.

Dron told us a story about the world. He also made some very definite predictions of events that will occur if this story is true:
If my info is correct, we shall be seeing an increasing number of 'inexplicable' incidents on bases, cantonments, police stations, public services etc. They will be carried out by people living among us for years, those who have earned our trust, wear our colors.

Note the phrase "increasing number". That's the tell for whether he is correct.

I realize this contradicts certain pet theories that Islamists are really nice people who just want to be left alone. But let's just wait and watch, shall we? Time will tell.
Posted by SteveS 2019-12-07 15:02||   2019-12-07 15:02|| Front Page Top

#24 I will share the international notification as soon as the media reveals anything. In my country the equivalent level would be 'sensitive-unclassified'.

I know our media, and they won't run with the truth as is. No, they'll try to remix the song that 'muslims have their backs to walls because of us, we need to show love', 'the umma is alienated' etc. They will not disseminate something that they believe will produce mistrust and negativity. Not out of concern but because it's not good for business.

A campaign is being prepared to warn citizens and reach out to muslim communities to be vigilant and to help in averting such things. Print and visual outreach, tear jerking fraternity and bonding over eid and the sort.

Christmas is coming and the new year, tough times.
Posted by Dron66046 2019-12-07 15:26||   2019-12-07 15:26|| Front Page Top

#25 Well then, I shall promise to be more trusting and less vigilant in the future.
Posted by Herb McCoy 2019-12-07 15:54||   2019-12-07 15:54|| Front Page Top

#26 ISIS plot to attack Pakistain security thwarted.

They really want in.
Posted by Dron66046 2019-12-07 16:10||   2019-12-07 16:10|| Front Page Top

#27 and notice your comments haven't (as always) been deleted or altered ya whining twat? Better everyone sees what you are about?
Posted by Frank G 2019-12-07 16:18||   2019-12-07 16:18|| Front Page Top

#28 Well then, I shall promise to be more trusting and less vigilant in the future.

That's amusing coming from someone who is constantly complaining about others putting words in his mouth. Exactly no one said that.

If you are going to be a whiny little bitch, you might be happier hanging out at HuffPo or such where your preferred style of 'debate' is accepted practice. Until then, permit me to summarize:

The information/proof you want is not available as open source intelligence.
Posted by SteveS 2019-12-07 16:31||   2019-12-07 16:31|| Front Page Top

#29 Someone disarm Herb's keyboard.
Posted by bbrewer126 2019-12-07 17:03||   2019-12-07 17:03|| Front Page Top

#30 Why would my comments ever be deleted? I violate no rules.

Here's my preferred style of debate. It doesn't (typically) include insults like "whining twat". (Although I can be provoked into a precision-strike ad hominem from time to time) I learned it on Reddit and similar websites (I'm not a HuffPo leftist, duh) after getting my ass kicked dozens of times. Demand sources, cross check them, ask who wrote it and for what purpose. This pyramid is the badge I carry into battle with the SJW Left every day and it serves me well. It's distressing that so many Rantburgers react to it like wolfsbane.

Posted by Herb McCoy 2019-12-07 17:12||   2019-12-07 17:12|| Front Page Top

#31 *snicker* - you've used that graphic HOW many times? It doesn't take playground insults to instigate/piss people off, it takes someone like you
Posted by Frank G 2019-12-07 17:14||   2019-12-07 17:14|| Front Page Top

#32 Herb ~ Please see me after class.
Posted by Besoeker 2019-12-07 17:17||   2019-12-07 17:17|| Front Page Top

#33 
"The country is under attack, Prime Minister !"

"Then call in the chiefs of staff, the interior, chief secretaries, pronto !"

"What shall be the nature of the meeting, Sir ?"

"Why, let's start from the beginning. Let's explicitly refute the central point !"

"Right, Sir."
Posted by Dron66046 2019-12-07 17:19||   2019-12-07 17:19|| Front Page Top

#34 "Sounds like classified information...what are your sources?"

'the umma is alienated'

Yeah, see Blherb's other post about one big happy umma.

See, Dron is a contributor..agree, disagree, better bring more than bitter 5 grade school marm book report grading standards. You go read your classified report sites, you go do the work you want, and bring back why it is or isn't so, and then the forum, not debate club, can discuss. You know, a contributor.

As is, Herb comes across to me, at best, intellectually inconsistent. Averaged, propagandist. At worse, fishing for information.
Posted by swksvolFF 2019-12-07 17:38||   2019-12-07 17:38|| Front Page Top

#35 Oh no, the pyramid of shame!

As satisfying as watching Glass Joe fall to the mat.
Posted by swksvolFF 2019-12-07 17:43||   2019-12-07 17:43|| Front Page Top

#36 This pyramid is the badge I carry into battle with the SJW Left every day and it serves me well.

This is where you are going into the weeds. Rantburg is a news aggregator for the War on Terror. Rantburg is not a debating society. It branches off into Non-WoT, Politix and whatever Fred puts up with because everything is deeply inter-twingled, but the basis is the WoT.

The commentary consists mainly of analysis, snark and opinion. As far as I can tell, a majority of the posters are either in the business, domain experts or were there when the festivities originally jumped off. The rest are either interested in the world or enjoy playing intel-analyst.

tl:dr: the goal of the discussion here is not to own the other side, but to figure out what the hell is going on, how it will evolve, and how to respond. Your pyramid is simply not applicable to this domain.
Posted by SteveS 2019-12-07 17:56||   2019-12-07 17:56|| Front Page Top

#37 It's been a long time since Aris hung out here.
Posted by Bobby 2019-12-07 17:56||   2019-12-07 17:56|| Front Page Top

#38 Wow, making like Ace of Spades today. Me: "Dog vs. Hydrant 2, the Payback." Not complaining.

I shall share my preferred form of intercourse:
Repetitiously shagging thrashing my hobbyhorse!
As the audience snooze,
I compose their reviews:
"A ferociously rational tour de force!"

Seriously, Herb, I love your pyramid and the whole idea of a world in which fallacy infallibly falls to laserbeams of enlightenment, to be replaced by unthinkably wonderful... what? But... what SteveS said (shoot, make that my sig).
Posted by Victor Emmanuel Whinert8537 2019-12-07 18:32||   2019-12-07 18:32|| Front Page Top

#39 LOL
Posted by Frank G 2019-12-07 18:46||   2019-12-07 18:46|| Front Page Top

#40 Iss jus' a lil' website. Ain't no gradjy-ate seminar
Posted by Rodney King 2019-12-07 20:01||   2019-12-07 20:01|| Front Page Top

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