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2014-10-08 Home Front: Culture Wars
Dallas, TX Ebola Guy Kicks The Bucket
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Posted by Raj 2014-10-08 12:14|| || Front Page|| [8 views ]  Top

#1 Pretty sad. All he ended up doing in lying about his illness to come to the US was endangering a lot of other people.
Posted by OldSpook 2014-10-08 13:05||   2014-10-08 13:05|| Front Page Top

#2 Dallas County Medical Society tries to cover for Judge Jenkins' behavior with respect to Thomas Duncan's family:

STATEMENT FROM DALLAS COUNTY MEDICAL SOCIETY:

The Dallas County Medical Society supports the ongoing response to the Ebola crisis in Dallas. With regard to Dallas County Judge Clay Jenkins, we want to assure the public that based on the evidence for how Ebola Virus Disease (EVD) transmits from person to person, the actions taken by him, particularly when working with the family members of Thomas Eric Duncan, present no risk to him, nor would there be any risk to others he comes in contact with, including his family members.

Our assessment of Judge Jenkins' risk is as follows:

Per the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, EVD has limited survival in the environment and places 24 hours as the upper limit for virus survival when consistent hospital disinfection practices are carried out. Because the judge was in the apartment well after 24 hours since the last time Mr. Duncan was there, the environmental contamination risk would be minimal to none.
The judge entered the apartment where Mr. Duncan was staying, following strict procedures set forth by the CDC. Without any direct contact with Mr. Duncan's blood or body fluids, there is almost no risk that the judge will become infected with EVD. To become infected, infected blood or body fluids must enter a break in one's skin, or infected blood or body fluids must be in contact with mucous membranes (mouth, nose or eyes). None of these circumstances occurred while the judge was in the apartment.
The judge interacted with family members of Mr. Duncan immediately after health officials conducted their assessment and found no signs or symptoms for EVD. All family members were without fever. Persons without signs or symptoms of EVD infection are not contagious.
The judge rode in the same vehicle with Mr. Duncan's family members to a new location, but this poses no risk for infection, as all family members had been assessed for any signs and symptoms of EVD. EVD is not transmitted through the air, based on available scientific information, so riding in a vehicle, even with someone who is contagious, does not place one at significant risk of infection. Again, because none of the family members of Mr. Duncan were showing EVD signs or symptoms during the ride in the vehicle, no risk is associated with such activities.
Judge Jenkins does not exhibit any signs or symptoms, so there is no risk to others he comes in contact with, including his family members. All available evidence, which includes the current investigation in West Africa, as well as prior outbreaks of EVD, has not demonstrated asymptomatic transmission.
Based on this assessment, we conclude that Judge Jenkins acted thoughtfully and carefully while performing his job duties. Further, his actions illustrate the commitment of our dedicated officials to continue working in spite of the unnecessary fears that surround this case. It is necessary to reduce the unwarranted fears and stigma surrounding Ebola in our community. Judge Jenkins was mindful of the rules for protecting against avoidable transmission.

The Dallas County Medical Society continues to work closely with those involved in this response. We welcome the opportunity to provide guidance based on current scientific knowledge regarding how the EVD is transmitted from person to person, and we remain available to assist officials during this crisis.
Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418  2014-10-08 13:11||   2014-10-08 13:11|| Front Page Top

#3 Judge won't mind taking one for the team and submitting himself to a 3 week quarantine, will he?
Posted by Steve White 2014-10-08 13:21||   2014-10-08 13:21|| Front Page Top

#4 #2 Dallas County Medical Society tries to cover for Judge Jenkins' behavior with respect to Thomas Duncan's family:

"LEEEERRRROOOYYYYYY...."
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2014-10-08 13:50||   2014-10-08 13:50|| Front Page Top

#5 OS: I'm not so sure he lied. One report said that the family of the sick pregnant lady he helped, was telling people she had malaria. Presumably due to the stigma.

I think there's a good chance he believed that, and honestly didn't know. If he did, why did he risk his whole family? Why didn't he go the hospital immediately upon arrival or feeling sick? It was very much in his own interest to handle things differently, yet, he didn't.

I'm not glad he died, at all. But I'm glad there is no incentive to follow him.
Posted by RandomJD 2014-10-08 13:57||   2014-10-08 13:57|| Front Page Top

#6 The neighborhood in Dallas where he was when he got sick is literally third world. The vast majority of the 18,000 to 25,000 people who live in that area are refugees or immigrants from many nations. Many of them were placed there by resettlement programs.
Posted by Angaimble Flerong5436 2014-10-08 14:04||   2014-10-08 14:04|| Front Page Top

#7 Why didn't he go the hospital immediately upon arrival or feeling sick? Denial is a river in Africa that also runs through Dallas.
Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418  2014-10-08 14:25||   2014-10-08 14:25|| Front Page Top

#8 Beat me to it, TFSR
Posted by Rex Mundi 2014-10-08 14:31||   2014-10-08 14:31|| Front Page Top

#9 More in the Ebola / Stumblebum department, this time from the Ebola-infected nurse in Spain:
"Sounding very tired, Teresa Romero, the nursing assistant who contracted Ebola in Spain, has told EL PAÍS that she may have become infected when removing her protective suit after cleaning up the room" of a patient who had just died of Ebola.
“I think the error was the removal of the suit,” she told EL PAÍS by phone. “I can see the moment it may have happened, but I’m not sure about it."
The Ebola patient is being treated in isolation on the sixth floor of the Carlos III hospital in Madrid. There is a television in the room, but she does not know if it is working. “I’m not getting much information,” she explained. The river of denial apparently runs through Madrid, also.
In statements made to TV network Cuatro, the nursing assistant said no one told her that she was infected with Ebola and that she found out via the EL PAÍS website. All those isolation measures might have tipped her off What’s more, she admitted that she did not tell her doctor that she had been in contact with patients who had been infected with the virus. “The nurses who dealt with me were wearing normal clothes, without any protection when they took me to the hospital. I asked the doctor for my results and he did not want to say anything to me, which is when I became suspicious,” she added.
The deputy director of the hospital,Yolanda Fuentes, added that this kind of incident can pass by unnoticed, and it was only today, Wednesday, that the nursing assistant mentioned what had happened.
Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418  2014-10-08 14:32||   2014-10-08 14:32|| Front Page Top

#10 
"Because of its high mortality rate, EBOV is also listed as a select agent, World Health Organization Risk Group 4 Pathogen (requiring Biosafety Level 4-equivalent containment), a U.S. National Institutes of Health/National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Category A Priority Pathogen, U.S. CDC Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Category A Bioterrorism Agent, and listed as a Biological Agent for Export Control by the Australia Group."

"...24 hours as the upper limit for virus survival when consistent hospital disinfection practices"
Did the good judge actually enter an apartment that had been infected according to hospital standards?

Snake handlers on occasion survive their ill advised antics unharmed. Judge Jenkins may ultimately not contract Ebola.

None of this implies that snake handling or cavorting in a bio hazard hot zone is anything but foolish and self-destructive behavior.

The 'top men' should stomp out the fire, not play with it.
Posted by Elmerert Hupens2660 2014-10-08 14:32||   2014-10-08 14:32|| Front Page Top

#11 Same tool that publicly welcomed 2000 illegal immigrant Central American chilruns to Dallas area
Posted by Frank G 2014-10-08 14:41||   2014-10-08 14:41|| Front Page Top

#12 The problem is that the patient did lie about exposure when questioned in the hospital during his first visit. Protocol has several questions that are asked about exposure, and many of them do not mention specific diseases, only symptoms, like "Have you within the recent past (2 to 3 weeks) had physical contact with anyone that had a fever and any of the following: nausea vomiting diarrhea?" - He certainly lied when he said no to that.

And those are the sorts of questions that get asked on screening at the airport. They are not going to simply have a checkbox asking "Have you been exposed to Ebola Y/N?" because there is an incentive for denial. SO they ask several interlocking questions that cover symptoms and exposure.

As for that judge, there is a lawsuit against him for exposing the public due to his stupid actions during his visit to the infected apartment. He's a grandstanding lib judge elected by the few libs who are concentrated in a couple of districts in Dallas. So naturally he gets all the press compared to the sane and sober conservative judiciary all around Dallas.
Posted by OldSpook 2014-10-08 15:00||   2014-10-08 15:00|| Front Page Top

#13 Foxs is reported a possible new case in a town 30 miles north of Dallas.
Posted by Ebbusosh Black5276 2014-10-08 15:21||   2014-10-08 15:21|| Front Page Top

#14 Everybody is focused on Ebola. But not Marburg - in Uganda, a virus similar to Ebola or the virus the Honduran kids may have brought across and are now spreading in public schools. Incubation period on all these diseases 14 to 21 days. As an aside the Ferguson MO. Grand Jury is due to reach and release their findings at the end of Oct. November my be a wild ride.
Posted by Ebbusosh Black5276 2014-10-08 15:31||   2014-10-08 15:31|| Front Page Top

#15 I was curious about the timeline for ebola in Thomas Duncan's case. Here and Here He was exposed on Sept. 15. He showed symptoms on 9-24. The incubation period could be 9 days or shorter. He stopped in Washington and Brussels on his way here. He had contact with others in Dallas. There is another person showing symptoms who Duncan had contact with. The longer you have a virus the more viral material that is shed and the more contagious a person is. Are we about to see Patients 2, 3, 4,.....?
Posted by JohnQC 2014-10-08 17:52||   2014-10-08 17:52|| Front Page Top

#16  The incubation period could be 9 days or shorter. Right. It is also possible Duncan was exposed to a different case of Ebola, earlier, while he was in Liberia. Or the publicized dates of contact are erroneous. Or his publicized "contact" may not have been his source for contracting Ebola.
Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418  2014-10-08 18:48||   2014-10-08 18:48|| Front Page Top

#17 FYI DEFENCE.PK/FORUMS > [Russia Today] SEVENTY-FIVE PERCENT CHANCE EBOLA WILL REACH FRANCE BY END OF OCTOBER [2014], FIFTY-PERCENT CHANCE FOR UK.

CHINA in circa THREE WEEKS???

versus

* JAPAN TIMES > US APPEALS COURT TO DECIDE IFF CHIMPS ARE "LEGAL PERSONS".

D *** NG, I KNEW IT, "DAWN OF THE PLANET OF THE APES" PAN-APE LEADER "CAESAR" IS TO BLAME!
Posted by JosephMendiola 2014-10-08 23:31||   2014-10-08 23:31|| Front Page Top

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