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Posted by g(r)omgoru 2012-12-16 06:00|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [6474 views ]  Top

#1 Sent to Breitbart:

Please help.

An article on Breitbart's Big Journalism titled "As CT Story Unfolds, Media Struggle with Facts" has this paragraph:

"At first, authorities said Lanza had used two pistols (a Glock and a Sig Sauer) in the attack and left a .223-caliber Bushmaster rifle in the trunk of a vehicle. But by Saturday afternoon, the latest information was that all the victims had been shot with the rifle at close range."

Then, the VERY NEXT ARTICLE titled "Dereliction: A Constant Stream of Media Misinformation in Conn. Massacre" has this to say:

"Also from the beginning, the murderer was reported as having strode through the school with a .223-caliber rifle, often referred to by the media here as an "assault weapon." This also turned out to be untrue. In fact, he only had handguns with him in the school, not any "assault rifle." He did have a rifle, but it was reportedly left in his car and not carried into the school."

Which fact is FACTUAL? What is true?

Please help. And correct the incorrect statement.
Posted by Whiskey Mike 2012-12-16 07:12||   2012-12-16 07:12|| Front Page Top

#2 Almost nothing ?

Our little children should be our most prized citizens, our prodigy, our hope. Send selected teachers away for two weeks of paid firearms training in the summer. Deputize them, make them wear appropriate concealment clothing, give them a police radio, make them re-qualify each year, and pay them special duty pay (SDP). This shi* should taper off dramatically.
Posted by Besoeker 2012-12-16 07:29||   2012-12-16 07:29|| Front Page Top

#3 Hardin the fok'n target!

Build new schools adjacent police stations or police stations adjacent existing schools. Bring in FEMA trailers to begin the transition.
Posted by Besoeker 2012-12-16 07:41||   2012-12-16 07:41|| Front Page Top

#4 Something like this, Besoeker?
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2012-12-16 09:10||   2012-12-16 09:10|| Front Page Top

#5 As one of my old mentors used to say, "don't just do something, stand there."

Mass shootings have declined over the past decade and are less frequent now than twenty years ago. Each and every one is a tragedy; each death is especially a tragedy.

But before we either try to grab all the guns (liberals) or turn schools into fortresses (conservatives), we should take a deep breath and analyze the situation for what it is.

It's about alienated, deeply disturbed, psychotic young men who in their early twenties are no longer able to handle their inner demons. They erupt and bring evil to innocents.

Now when you can figure out how to stop that, you let me know.

Until then, don't just do something, stand there.
Posted by Steve White 2012-12-16 09:43||   2012-12-16 09:43|| Front Page Top

#6 I know how to stop it and we should do something.

These people do not erupt out of nowhere. They have been erupting for a long time. Their families know it but can do nothing about it. They need help.

These are people who cannot function effectively in modern society. They need to be set apart from that society in a place where they can do no harm to themselves or others. Leaving them alone until they have their final eruption is barbaric.

Bring back civil residential mental institutions.

And the mass shootings have been declining because we began incarcerating these folks instead of institutionalizing them. See this. I can't believe the worst institutions will not be better for these pathetic folks than prison.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2012-12-16 10:48||   2012-12-16 10:48|| Front Page Top

#7 I can't believe the worst institutions will not be better for these pathetic folks than prison.

Well, since you raise the point, Titicut Follies profoundly influenced the process of de-institutionalization.
Posted by P2kontheroad 2012-12-16 11:08||   2012-12-16 11:08|| Front Page Top

#8 And the prisons of 50 years ago were a lot worse than the prisons of today. Incarceration is not to be p[referred to institutionalization. Any system run by humans will be imperfect. Our choice is which is least bad.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2012-12-16 11:12||   2012-12-16 11:12|| Front Page Top

#9 Steve, rather than mental institutions let's have jihad. Then we would be morally obligated to ship these mental patients off to some place like Ossetia and let them shoot up other peoples' schools.
Posted by rammer 2012-12-16 11:40||   2012-12-16 11:40|| Front Page Top

#10 If properly trained, have absolutely no problem with teachers carrying a Galil g(r)om. Absolutely none at all.
Posted by Besoeker 2012-12-16 11:46||   2012-12-16 11:46|| Front Page Top

#11 Agreed Besoeker. If a teacher has a Concealed Carry Permit, they should be able to carry it on school grounds. Or at least have it in a lockbox with a key they carry, to access in a couple heartbeats. A single teacher with good aim could have ended this before he reached that classroom.

That being said, our CiC is visiting the victims today. And decided to shed a tear in the press conference over the tragedy. I really wish I could spit at his feet to show my disdain, but I'd get arrested probably.
Posted by Charles 2012-12-16 12:05||   2012-12-16 12:05|| Front Page Top

#12 I share you disdain Charles.
Posted by Besoeker 2012-12-16 12:14||   2012-12-16 12:14|| Front Page Top

#13 A very useful link, Nimble Spemble. A girlfriend of mine has a son recently diagnosed with schizophrenia. He is 22, about the right age for that to blossom into severe disability. He was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome at age fourteen, but she now suspects it was a misdiagnosis of early signs of the other. He has no tendency toward violence as such at this point, merely a fondness for burning paper and playing with kitchen knives; it is her assessment that, at this point, he is more likely to kill the entire family by accident than deliberately.

She's been trying desperately since his diagnosis to get him medicated and in some sort of sheltered home situation, as she is completely bedridden and living with her elderly parents, one of whom is developing Alzheimers. However, as her son is of legal age and convinced that he and the angels that talk to him are perfectly sane, the law thus far prevents either the family or the medical professionals who fully accept the diagnosis from forcing him to accept either medication or hospitalization.

She is terrified because, as she points out, when schizophrenics break toward violence, they generally kill their mothers first... and he deeply resents that she has appointed herself Keeper of the Knives. Her other fear is that her parents will refuse to live with the situation any longer, and the lad will end up on the street, where he is more likely to quietly die curled up under a Pittsburgh bridge with no idea of why than obnoxiously begging from passing strangers.
Posted by trailing wife 2012-12-16 12:17||   2012-12-16 12:17|| Front Page Top

#14 And Here's what it looks like to the Mom.

When I asked my son’s social worker about my options, he said that the only thing I could do was to get Michael charged with a crime. “If he’s back in the system, they’ll create a paper trail,” he said. “That’s the only way you’re ever going to get anything done. No one will pay attention to you unless you’ve got charges.”

On the intake form, under the question, “What are your expectations for treatment?” I wrote, “I need help.”

I am sharing this story because I am Adam Lanza’s mother. I am Dylan Klebold’s and Eric Harris’s mother. I am Jason Holmes’s mother. I am Jared Loughner’s mother. I am Seung-Hui Cho’s mother. And these boys—and their mothers—need help. In the wake of another horrific national tragedy, it’s easy to talk about guns. But it’s time to talk about mental illness.

Much more at the link.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2012-12-16 12:27||   2012-12-16 12:27|| Front Page Top

#15 He did have a rifle, but it was reportedly left in his car and not carried into the school."

Which fact is FACTUAL? What is true?

It appears he had two rifles, one was left in his car.
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