Article

2010-09-10

B.O.: America's enemy is al-Qaida, not Islam

Archived material is restricted to Rantburg regulars and members. If you need access email fred.pruitt=at=gmail.com with your nick to be added to the members list. There is no charge to join Rantburg as a member.

Posted by Fred 2010-09-10 15:00|| || Front Page|| [11130 views ] Top

#1 Amen Fred. Righteous rant.

Posted by DarthVader 2010-09-10 15:03|| 2010-09-10 15:03|| Front Page Top

#2 US pastor sets mosque talks deadline
I hear that US networks are black banning coverage on this subject, if so could someone let me know and I can update for the next hour or so. twenty minutes to end of deadline.

A Florida pastor who has threatened to burn the Koran has given a New York imam a two-hour deadline to clarify whether talks on moving a planned mosque further from Ground Zero will take place.

Posted by tipper 2010-09-10 15:16|| 2010-09-10 15:16|| Front Page Top

#3 Excellent framing of the issues.

He [Obama] explained that Americans cannot turn on each other and let their fears lead to division.

I'd say that 70% of people in liberal NYC is not a turning on each other and division.

Obama said the public must remember that the country's enemy is not Islam, but al-Qaida and extremist groups.

That is an oft-quoted statement. GWB also said that. BHO has said that. However, if one looks at the data objectively, how many muslims are moderate vs. extremists? How many others silently assent to islam's aims? If one looks at GB, France, or other European countries there has been a steady and maybe relentless push by muslims to basically hi-jack the existing culture.

Posted by JohnQC 2010-09-10 15:20|| 2010-09-10 15:20|| Front Page Top

#4 Where are teh muslim moderates in all this?

Why is it left to the office of the presidency to - again and again, for nine years now-- push a message that, to ahve any effect at all, can only come from within the muslim community itself?

Will the US president still be asked to go on point in delivering this "Religion of Peace," "don't-conflate-all muslims-with-jihadists" etc message twenty years from now? If so, no one will be listening anymore-- if we haven't reached that point already....

Posted by lex 2010-09-10 15:29|| 2010-09-10 15:29|| Front Page Top

#5 Islam and the Constitution of the United States are incompatible with each other. "President" O'Bumble took an oath to support and defend the latter, to "bear true faith and allegiance, to it, and to "see that the laws of the nation are faithfully executed". It's put-up or shut-up time, and O'Bumble not only doesn't want to talk about the issue, and wants all of us to shut up, also. Tell him to go stick a Quran in his left ear - wrapped in barbed wire.

Posted by Old Patriot 2010-09-10 15:43|| 2010-09-10 15:43|| Front Page Top

#6 I want to say first of all that we do have a lot of Moslem allies. OTOH, I am concerned that if our only enemies within the Islamic sphere were Al Qaeda, it is taking an awful lot of blood and treasure to defeat them.

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2010-09-10 15:52|| 2010-09-10 15:52|| Front Page Top

#7 Also, if all it takes for someone to switch sides is some idiot in Florida burning a holy book... I'm kind of doubting they were a real ally to begin with.

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2010-09-10 15:55|| 2010-09-10 15:55|| Front Page Top

#8 There seems to be a wobble in the New York intelligentsia's view of the victory mosque...very interesting. First I've seen.

"The mosque project near ground zero upholds a great American principle, but its not a sensible idea. Good sense is needed when a harvest of anger is in."

Let's hope this is the beginning of the end of the victory mosque.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/10/opinion/10iht-edcohen.html?_r=1&hp

Posted by Black Charlie Chinemble5313 2010-09-10 16:18|| 2010-09-10 16:18|| Front Page Top

#9 Also, to drive home my first point:

@ JihadWatch:

Egypt: Muslims burn Christian man alive, stab his father to death.

The people who rioted and performed those murders are probably _not_ Al Qaeda, per se. But neither are they our friends.

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2010-09-10 16:22|| 2010-09-10 16:22|| Front Page Top

#10 "...the country's enemy is not Islam, but al-Qaida and extremist groups."

I personally believe that this assertion is wrong but apart from this it is also a significant deviation from the post 9/11 consensus articulated by Bush (probably preparation for ~~surrender to~~ peace with honor with the Taliban).

On 9/11/2001 Bush said: "We will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them."

In his Statement to a Joint Session of Congress he said: "(The Talibam) will hand over the terrorists, or they will share in their fate."

So the enemy was terrorists and state sponsors who would not be permitted to hide behind implausible deniability. Bush symmetrized the asymmetrical war.

As for whether 'Islam' is an enemy:
The OIC (speaking for 'Islam' as a political actor), has rejected a policy of 'Peaceful Coexistence' (demand for Sharia restrictions for non-Muslims in the West). Instead the have officially adopted a 'Brezhnev Doctrine', declaring that in matters concerning Islam, Western nations enjoy only limited sovereignty.

So "Islam's" official diplomatic posture towards is objectively more hostile than that of the Soviet Union post 1956.

Draw your own conclusions.

Posted by Omaing White7048 2010-09-10 16:25|| 2010-09-10 16:25|| Front Page Top

#11 Amir Taheri has a Muslim's take on this:
The ground zero 'mosque' is really a building to celebrate the attack, terrorize nonbeleivers, and plan new attacks.

Posted by Frozen Al 2010-09-10 16:33|| 2010-09-10 16:33|| Front Page Top

#12 Gromgoru: stupidity is the "West"'s enemy, not Islam.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2010-09-10 16:34|| 2010-09-10 16:34|| Front Page Top

#13 I liked SteveS's idea of reading selected verses from the Koran over a loudspeaker instead of burning the Koran.

I'd add, invite a Mohammedan to debate the verse just read, and instruct us on why it doesn't mean what it appears to say.

If no such person steps up, print the offending verse on a poster and burn the poster. Then, repeat the offer to debate the meaning.

Posted by KBK 2010-09-10 18:08|| 2010-09-10 18:08|| Front Page Top

#14 Putting the violent message of the Koran on display was what Geert Wilders did in 'Fitna'.

Pope Benedict offered scholarly criticism.

Dhimmis are not to voice any opinion re Islam. Period.

If they do it anyway there will be violence.

'Silence! I kill you!'-It is funny because it is true.

Posted by Omaing White7048 2010-09-10 18:33|| 2010-09-10 18:33|| Front Page Top

#15 All religions are equal. Some are more equal than others. One particular one is anyway.

Posted by Goober Goobelopolous 2010-09-10 20:51|| 2010-09-10 20:51|| Front Page Top

#16 Good stuff there Fred.

Posted by swksvolFF 2010-09-10 20:52|| 2010-09-10 20:52|| Front Page Top

#17 maybe islam is just plain stupid:

http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php/Islam

Posted by Broadhead6 2010-09-10 21:36|| 2010-09-10 21:36|| Front Page Top

#18 ION DAILY TIMES.PK > RUSSIA FOR TOUGH ACTION AGZ "CAUCASUS BANDITS" [Chechen Militant Leader Umarov calls for attacks outside of North Caucasus + Other Muslim regions to "batter Russia in its den"].

IIUC, UMAROV > is calling for general Insurgency + [expanded]MilTerrorism throughout RUSSIA [CentAsia? China?] - THE JIHADIS WANT RUSS BEAR FOR DINNER???

* SAME > "CENTRAL ASIA TERRORISM MUST BE BATTLED NOW" [UN RCCA Official-Expert MIROSLAV JENCA].

JENCA = Demise or fall of the Cold War USSR has attracted various Militant Groups to the CA Region from abroad; the recent Kyrgystan riots may had [inteionally]started or induced by Terrorists???

Posted by JosephMendiola 2010-09-10 23:39|| 2010-09-10 23:39|| Front Page Top

#19 Obama is not a Christian. The false prophet that Christ warned his followers of, in my opinion was Mohammed. Many of the things Muslims do, is completely opposite of what Islamists do. Obama is a liar and a decieving of epic proportions.

Posted by Neville Throling7649 2010-09-10 23:46|| 2010-09-10 23:46|| Front Page Top

#20 *correction* Many of the things Muslims do, is completely opposite of what Christians were taught by Christ to do.

Posted by Neville Throling7649 2010-09-10 23:47|| 2010-09-10 23:47|| Front Page Top

23:47 Neville Throling7649
23:46 Neville Throling7649
23:44 Martini
23:44 Martini
23:39 JosephMendiola
23:32 Sgt. D.T.
23:22 trailing wife
23:14 JosephMendiola
23:09 JosephMendiola
23:03 JosephMendiola
22:56 DMFD
22:55 JosephMendiola
22:50 JosephMendiola
22:39 JosephMendiola
22:36 JosephMendiola
22:32 JosephMendiola
22:19 Sherry
22:18 JosephMendiola
22:07 Frank G
22:02 miscellaneous
21:59 49 pan
21:55 Glenmore
21:53 linker
21:53 Glenmore