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Gitmo thugs might move to Illinois prison

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Posted by Steve White 2009-12-12 00:00|| || Front Page|| [10 views ] Top

#1 Yes, Guantanamo is being closed just as promised, we withdrew from Iraq as promised. He never promised prosecution for torture, just that he would end it, which he did.

Here are 68 accomplishments of Obama so far, about 30 more than Bush did in 8 years... Obama is at 10 months! So he's our most accomplished President we've ever had this early into his term.

the list is here: (copy/paste/remove spaces)

snipurl. com /nbx6u

Or Google: Obama Meter

Posted by play4keeps 2009-12-12 01:59|| 2009-12-12 01:59|| Front Page Top

#2 Dear play4keeps,

Guantanamo is not yet closed.

We are most definitely still in Iraq, just as we are still in Germany, Japan, Italy, and South Korea.

How do you know none of our people have tortured anyone recently? For that matter, how do you know that our people ever tortured anyone? "Tantamount to torture" is not anything like "torture", either legally or morally, I'm afraid. And the New York Times, unfortunately, has demonstrated a habit of hiring fabulists as well as outstanding reporters, and being quite, quite unable to distinguish between them so long as the prose is exquisite.

You are zero for three in your post above. So I'm afraid I feel no drive to check how many of the sixty accomplishments poor President Obama also did not actually accomplish. As for being accomplished, I'm afraid he has not, to my knowledge, demonstrated mastery of any of the arts or foreign languages traditionally referred to when describing one as accomplished. Perhaps you meant to use a different word.

Yours sincerely,

Posted by trailing wife 2009-12-12 02:47|| 2009-12-12 02:47|| Front Page Top

#3 TW, you are my hero.

*sniff* *sniff* I smell burnt troll.

Posted by abu do you love 2009-12-12 03:29|| 2009-12-12 03:29|| Front Page Top

#4 Nice, TW. Some of these 'promises kept' sound a bit hollow:
No. 125: Direct military leaders to end war in Iraq Yep. I told 'em.

No. 132: No permanent bases in Iraq Not yet, anyway.

No. 167: Make U.S. military aid to Pakistan conditional on anti-terror efforts

But this one is not hollow.
No. 174: Give a speech at a major Islamic forum in the first 100 days of his administration

No. 222: Grant Americans unrestricted rights to visit family and send money to Cuba

No. 239: Release presidential records But not have social secretaries testify before Congress.

No. 327: Support increased funding for the NEA 'nuff said.

No. 337: Use the International Space Station for fundamental biological and physical research Instead of just being a sparkly thing in the sky.

No. 338: Explore whether International Space Station can operate after 2016 And what was the answer, O?

No. 342: Work toward deploying a global climate change research and monitoring system We got one of those - CRU.

No. 359: Rebuild schools in New Orleans That's generous of him.

No. 380: Bolster the military's ability to speak different languages

No. 452: Weatherize 1 million homes per year I wonder how they consider this a promise kept? There is text justifying their assertions...

No. 483: Invest in public transportation

And the most important:
No. 502: Get his daughters a puppy

Posted by Bobby 2009-12-12 07:25|| 2009-12-12 07:25|| Front Page Top

#5 "Tantamount" is nice.

I was tantamounted once.
I was eleven and slipped in to see "Lash LaRue and the Whip Lady" for a dime. Remember Lash LaRue?
He was a cowboy who carried a Bullwhip. Those were the days.

The guy who ran the Theatre gave me and Veena Woodard a special price. Things were slow.

Posted by Angleton9 2009-12-12 08:05|| 2009-12-12 08:05|| Front Page Top

#6 Obama's Accomplishments:

Constant apologies abroad for everything from slavery to Hiroshima
Bows to Saudi royalty, the Japanese emperor, and Chinese autocrats
The on-again/off-again Guantanamo shut-down mess
The fight with the former CIA directors
The public show trial of Khalid Sheik Mohammed
The reach out to Ahmadinejad Castro, Chavez, and assorted thugs
The Honduras fiasco
Czars everywhere
The serial "Bush did it"/reset whine abroad
The Queen of England/I-pod fiasco
Gordon Brown gets snookered in his gift-giving
Unceremoniously shipping back the Churchill bust
The end of the special relationship with the UK
The New York on-the-town presidential splurge
Anita Dunn and her Mao worship
Timothy Geithner/Tom Daschle/Hilda Solis and their taxes
What ever happened to Gov. Richardson?
"No lobbyists" = gads of them
The Podestas' insider influence-peddling empire
Sotomayor's "wise Latina" chauvinism
The Special Olympics silly quip
Trashing Nancy Reagan
The Skip Gates/police acting "stupidly" mess (and then telling America "not to jump to conclusions about the murders at Fort Hood by a Muslim)
The get-Chicago-the-Olympics jaunt to Copenhagen
Cap-and-trade boondoggle
"Millions of green jobs"
Ignore gas, oil, coal, and nuclear power production
Cash-for-clunkers
The Joe Biden gaffe machine
Jobs "saved" or "created" rather than references to the actual unemployment rates
Van Jones, the racist and truther
Desiree Rogers won't testify
The blowback from, and silence about, the Rangel/Dodd corruption
The White House party crashers plan to take the 5th Amendment
The 'bipartisanship' con
The pork-barrel stimulus spoils (all that money for jack shit)
The demonization of the Town-Hallers
The Acorn Mess
The Kevin Jennings/Safe School Czar embarrassment
The SEIU direct access to the White House
The Asian Tour comedown (it accomplished ...wait for it...jack shit)
The politicization of the take-over of GM and Chrysler
The Obama readjustment in the order of paying back car creditors
Car dealerships closed on shaky criteria
Obama as "Caesar"
The Emanuel "never let a serious crisis go to waste" boast
The Black Caucus/Rangel/Waters bid to bail out the inner-city radio stations
Yosi Sergant and the NEA
$1.7 trillion deficit (Hello, can you hear me? 1.7 TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT !!!)
The planned $9 trillion added to the national debt
New income tax rates; health care surcharge talk; and payroll tax caps to be lifted
Rahm Emanuel's promised payback to those states that trash the stimulus
The supposed C-span aired health care debate
The promised website posts of pending legislation
Czechs and Poles sold out on missile defense
Sermons to and finger pointing at the Israelis
Getting stiffed and blown off by just about every govt. on Earth as a patsy/
The failed 'Putin helps to stop a nuclear Iran' gambit
Voting present on the Iranian reformers in the street
Serial but empty deadlines to Ahmadinejad
The good war/bad war twisting and turning on Iraq/Afghanistan
Uptailing in Afghanistan and sticking it to the American military
The months-long dithering over Afghanistan
Renditions, tribunals, Patriot Act, etc. once trashed, now OK
Health-care take-over
The 2,000 page proposed new health code
The embarrassing Nobel Peace Prize nomination
The attacks on surgeons, Chamber of Commerce, Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, etc.
The Islam mythologies in the Cairo Speech
The al Arabiya "Bush did it" interview
Obama's TV "my Muslim faith" gaffe

Posted by Parabellum 2009-12-12 09:12|| http://sidemeat.wordpress.com/ 2009-12-12 09:12|| Front Page Top

#7 P4K makes an assertion.

TW cuts him off at the knees.

Parabellum buries him with facts.

I really don't see a need for me to pile on!

Posted by Steve White 2009-12-12 10:17|| 2009-12-12 10:17|| Front Page Top

#8 How moving them into the United States then is a good idea is beyond our powers of reasoning.

The rationale, of course, is that GITMO is a major tool for Jihadist recruitment. The problem with this argument is, with the exception of anecdotal speculation, there is no empirical evidence to support such a claim. Also absent is any proof that the closure will result in a recruitment reduction. And lacking said evidence makes it impossible to measure the effects of this policy either way. Which explains why the Obama administration has such a penchant for symbolic gestures. It allows them to claim accomplishment without having to neither substantiate the problem nor quantify the solution.

Posted by DepotGuy 2009-12-12 01:13|| 2009-12-12 01:13|| Front Page Top

#9 Get his daughters a puppy

He promised he was going to get a pound puppy for his kids. How plebeian. So much for that promise and the others as well. Play4keeps has drunk deeply of some kind of acid-laced Kool Aide. Maybe he/she will wake up some day. I don't have much hope for this change.

Posted by JohnQC 2009-12-12 01:20|| 2009-12-12 01:20|| Front Page Top

#10 Why are you so hateful towards people that are successful? Just curious...

You sound like you are from the South or still listen to Fox News! Surely you aren't THAT dumb!

Posted by play4keeps 2009-12-12 01:26|| 2009-12-12 01:26|| Front Page Top

#11 A puppy named 'Bo'.

Which is akin to me naming a dog 'PB'.

Posted by Pappy 2009-12-12 01:30|| 2009-12-12 01:30|| Front Page Top

#12 How the hell cant you be proud he is QUICKLY giving clear insight
into how he will run and defend our nation and uniting everyone
to smash the face of OBL.
"WHY DO YOU FAIL TO RELIZE THIS"
Here is some proof.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIfXcGWx8P8&feature=related

Posted by play4keeps 2009-12-12 01:36|| 2009-12-12 01:36|| Front Page Top

#13 Pray4Something, your theme has been exposed as racist and treason. I don't think you have a legimate complaint except maybe the way your parents 'brought you up'. Keep posting, I do like a larf at your expense!

Posted by Rhodesiafever 2009-12-12 01:58|| 2009-12-12 01:58|| Front Page Top

#14 Why are you so hateful towards people that are successful? Just curious...

How odd, given that some of us are quite successful as the world measures such things, and other are quite successful as the spiritual types measure such things.

You sound like you are from the South or still listen to Fox News! Surely you aren't THAT dumb!

Do I really? How wonderful! Because I grew up in a family of University of Buffalo academics, who learnt British English before they came to America and saw to it that their offspring learnt to read in Hebrew before we could read in English -- on which I blame some of my language use anomalies -- and then my husband's career took us abroad for some years. And then there was that nomination to Who's Who of American High School Students, for some unfathomable reason... Nobody has ever accused me of being dumb before. I feel quite, quite giddy!

Thank you, play4keeps. You really are quite amusing today. As for that last bit, when one is nearly a year into one's term in office, it's definitely too late to indicate what one will do. One has been doing it, you see, and the evidence lies supine at one's feet... or not, as the case may be. Grammar is such a useful tool for clarification, you must agree.

Posted by trailing wife 2009-12-12 02:08|| 2009-12-12 02:08|| Front Page Top

#15 "Obama Administration has delivered up a small consolation prize: the state's very own federal prison for terrorists"... where they will, no doubt, vote in Chicago elections.

Posted by Zebulon Ebbetle8042 2009-12-12 02:57|| 2009-12-12 02:57|| Front Page Top

#16 play4keeps, as I doubt TW's elegant response to your doofusness made it through the Kool-Aid buzz, try this:

Bugger Off.

But please, please continue to visit and post. My grandchildren need to understand the meaning of "blindly following an empty suit"....

Posted by Uncle Phester 2009-12-12 03:06|| 2009-12-12 03:06|| Front Page Top

#17 Illinois "thugs" move to the White House. GITMO "thugs" backfill Illinois vacancies.

Posted by Besoeker 2009-12-12 09:40|| 2009-12-12 09:40|| Front Page Top

#18 "I really don't see a need for me to pile on!"

Don't let that stop you, #7 Steve. Pile away! :-D

Posted by Barbara Skolaut 2009-12-12 10:19|| 2009-12-12 10:19|| Front Page Top

#19 tw is in rare form today.

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