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2008-08-21 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia

Russia blocks UN Security Council draft on Georgia

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Posted by Fred 2008-08-21 00:00|| || Front Page|| [3 views ] Top

#1 WORLDNEWS > SCO: NATO EAST - IFF ONLY RUSSIA AND CHINA CAN GET ALONG AND WORK TOGETHER!?

Posted by JosephMendiola 2008-08-21 00:41|| 2008-08-21 00:41|| Front Page Top

#2 BIGNEWSNETWORK > PUTIN WELL INFRONT OF [US-Russ = Georgia, etc.] END-GAME.

INTERESTING AUTHOR > AS PER UNO-BASED STATS-TRENDS, INDICS THAT RUSSIA'S POPUL MAY FALL FROM APPROXI 90 MILYUHN TODAY, TO ONLY 20 MILYUHN BY 2100 = END OF CENTURY???

Posted by JosephMendiola 2008-08-21 00:54|| 2008-08-21 00:54|| Front Page Top

#3 NEWSMAX COLUMNISTS OP-ED > RUSSIA SHOULD HAD JOINED NATO; versus VARI NET > GEORGIA SHOULD HAD JOINED NATO.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2008-08-21 03:24|| 2008-08-21 03:24|| Front Page Top

#4 No so fast, Joseph - the present population of Russia is 142 million and not your 90. That's first.
And second - her demographic future may be far more rosy than you,schadenfreuders ever thought:

http://top.rbc.ru/english/index.shtml?/news/english/2008/04/25/25172740_bod.shtml

Posted by Matt K. 2008-08-21 10:01|| 2008-08-21 10:01|| Front Page Top

#5 matt 1. Shes a government minister
2. Theres too little context for the statistics - raw birth rate, size of the relevant maternal cohort, estimated TFR, etc.

I wouldnt stake too much on that.

Posted by liberalhawk 2008-08-21 11:05|| 2008-08-21 11:05|| Front Page Top

#6 to clarify, my guess is that a lot of deferred births from the previous period are taking place now, under improved economic conditions and govt subsidies, creating a peak that may not be sustainable. But thats hard to say without seeing more detaile demographic analysis, and I cant find any more recent than 2006.

Posted by liberalhawk 2008-08-21 11:13|| 2008-08-21 11:13|| Front Page Top

#7 I thought a Permanent member couldn't vote on a resolution that directly effected them.

Posted by rjschwarz 2008-08-21 11:19|| 2008-08-21 11:19|| Front Page Top

#8 That's why they have the veto... to protect their own interests.

Posted by john frum 2008-08-21 11:33|| 2008-08-21 11:33|| Front Page Top

#9 Exactly, the veto was put in place for the major powers to protect themselves. All have used it as such at one time or another.

And I'm not sure Russia can keep the population stable. They, on average, have been losing 1 million people a year. Russia used to have the most men to throw away during war in the past, but not anymore. I'm just wondering at what point does the sparse population hit critical mass to cover such a large area and the social network between towns and cities breaks down.

Posted by DarthVader 2008-08-21 11:42|| 2008-08-21 11:42|| Front Page Top

#10 The day after the Chicoms invade.

Posted by lollypop 2008-08-21 12:31|| 2008-08-21 12:31|| Front Page Top

#11 Or the day before...
I bet China has a few divisions ready to pounce on Siberia the day it happens.

Posted by DarthVader 2008-08-21 12:45|| 2008-08-21 12:45|| Front Page Top

#12 I bet Swedish demographs from V&S Group know far better:

http://adweek.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/04/04/absolut.jpg

Posted by Matt K. 2008-08-21 13:54|| 2008-08-21 13:54|| Front Page Top

#13 #12 And to think I thought you were serious

Posted by liberalhawk 2008-08-21 14:06|| 2008-08-21 14:06|| Front Page Top

#14 ... and if I were you I would be quite alarmed:

http://nationalatlas.gov/natlas/Natlasstart.asp

(click: people/population/race & ethnic population 2000/hispanic or latino origin)

Quite nice, eh?

Posted by Matt K. 2008-08-21 14:14|| 2008-08-21 14:14|| Front Page Top

#15 why should I be alarmed about Latinos? I know many and they are good citizens. Bill Richardon, Linda Chavez, General Sanchez. They will contribute to our strength.

So are you a bigot, or just a pro-Russian troll?

Posted by liberalhawk 2008-08-21 14:26|| 2008-08-21 14:26|| Front Page Top

#16 I prefer real facts:
Population:
140,702,094 (July 2008)
Population growth rate:
-0.474% (2008)

Posted by DarthVader 2008-08-21 14:39|| 2008-08-21 14:39|| Front Page Top

#17 Why should Russians be alarmed of Muslims and Chinese on their soil? I know many and they generally are good and contributing people. So what's the difference? Unlike you Russians are not loosing their language and identity, that's all.

Are you a bigot, or just a jingoistic troll?

PS. BTW, warmest greetings from California:
http://www.americanpatrol.com/RECONQUISTA/IMAGES/whiteygetout000211CRP.gif

Posted by Matt K. 2008-08-21 14:44|| 2008-08-21 14:44|| Front Page Top

#18 My 2 daughters are considered Hispanic. Their Mother was Puerto Rican. Why should I fear them? They think they are Americans. I'm not telling them any different, either.

Posted by Deacon Blues 2008-08-21 14:46|| 2008-08-21 14:46|| Front Page Top

#19 Why should Russians be alarmed of Muslims and Chinese on their soil? I know many and they generally are good and contributing people. So what's the difference? Unlike you Russians are not loosing their language and identity, that's all.

I never said they should. Though in the case of muslims, i would note that russias biggest war BEFORE Georgia was against Muslim Chechens. AFAIK the Chinese in Vladivostok are good citizens, and Im not fantasizing a Chinese takeover. I think the bigger concern is the overall Russia rate of pop growth, esp the death rate. Russias total pop has declined from a peak of 148 million to 143 million, and even according to the new optimistic report, will bottom out at 140 million or so.

as for the russia muslims and chinese, do you rally know many? Where in Russia are you posting from?

as for language and identity, latinos are learning english at pretty much the same rates as earlier generations of immigrants.

Posted by liberalhawk 2008-08-21 14:50|| 2008-08-21 14:50|| Front Page Top

#20 american patrol, eh? you ARE a bigot then, thanks for the answer.

Posted by liberalhawk 2008-08-21 14:52|| 2008-08-21 14:52|| Front Page Top

#21 american patrol, eh? you ARE a bigot then, thanks for the answer.

And a stupid one.

Posted by DarthVader 2008-08-21 15:06|| 2008-08-21 15:06|| Front Page Top

#22 Why should Russians be alarmed of Muslims and Chinese on their soil?

Unlike the real Mexican immigrants (not fucktards like you) and other immigrants, they come to become Americans. The Chinese and Muzzies do not come to Russia to become Russians. They come to conquer and provide a anchor for their claims.
The Russians don't like 'em, don't want 'em and will try to force them off and kill them later in the future.

Posted by DarthVader 2008-08-21 15:08|| 2008-08-21 15:08|| Front Page Top

#23 and the 12-20 millions that are here without papers or permission? they are here to become Americans?

just tossing some chum in the water to keep the sharks stirred up

Posted by Abu do you love 2008-08-21 18:46|| 2008-08-21 18:46|| Front Page Top

#24 The Russian birthrate crashed back in what, 1991? So starting next year, the number turning 18YO each year declines sharply.

Posted by Slats Glans2659 2008-08-21 20:54|| 2008-08-21 20:54|| Front Page Top

#25 and the 12-20 millions that are here without papers or permission?

Those are the fucktards.

Posted by DarthVader 2008-08-21 21:30|| 2008-08-21 21:30|| Front Page Top

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