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2008-08-21 Syria-Lebanon-Iran

New ME 'Cold War' As Syria Strengthens Military Alliance With Russia?

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Posted by Sherry 2008-08-21 10:13|| || Front Page|| [4 views ] Top

#1 Obama Adviser Meets With Syria

Its not a secret that the Syrians are openly banking on Barack Obama,

Emphasis on "banking".

Posted by Spike Uniter 2008-08-21 11:11|| 2008-08-21 11:11|| Front Page Top

#2 that quote is from one Tony Badran, an "expert" id never heard of before.

Otherwise its just Kurtzer meeting with Syria. Kinda like Israelis are meeting with Syria.

Posted by liberalhawk 2008-08-21 11:15|| 2008-08-21 11:15|| Front Page Top

#3 LH, kinda? See no evil mode? What?

Posted by Spike Uniter 2008-08-21 11:55|| 2008-08-21 11:55|| Front Page Top

#4 Israel has been talking to Damascus for months, with the goal of doing a deal and turning Syria from its alliance with Iran. Kurtzer, from what I can gather thinks thats a good idea. I have NO reason whatsoever to think that hes going to Syria to betray Israel. I do understand how Lebanese would be nervous about being betrayed by both Israel and the US, but then I can also see why Israel thinks Leb is a lost cause, and that turning Syria from Iran is simply more important.

Posted by liberalhawk 2008-08-21 12:02|| 2008-08-21 12:02|| Front Page Top

#5 LH can you please explain how Israel can "betray" Lebanon? That makes as much sense as saying the the US invasion of Okinawa betrayed the Japanese. Lebanon is a declared enemy of Israel, jeez.

And exactly what have we promised to Lebanon that we could possibly betray?

Posted by AlanC 2008-08-21 12:59|| 2008-08-21 12:59|| Front Page Top

#6 Alan - Israel over the years has clearly favored certain elements in Leb politics, esp the Maronites. During the Cedar Rev I think it was clear that Israel favored the anti-Syrian coalition, consisting of Sunnis, Druze, and some Maronites over the pro-Syrian coalition of Hezbollah and its allies. Now of course the 2006 war strained things, but I think since its STILL been clear that the anti-Syrian lebs and israelis are at least tight co-belligerents, if not actual allies, this despite the nominal opposition of even the anti-syrian lebs to Israel (they dont really have much choice on that for a lot of reasons) So to make a deal WITH Syria, and to essentially wink at the Syrian presence in Leb (which I think would be part of any deal between Jerusalem and Damascus) would be, in some sense, a betrayal of the anti-syrian lebs. But, as I hinted, the anti-syrian lebs seem unable to really act as independent force against hezb, certainly not reliably, so it doesnt make sense for Israel to pass up a good deal (if that can be had) for the sake of Jumblatt, Harriri, et al.

Perhaps you are under the impression that Lebanon is a unified state, rather than competing coalitions of factions.

Posted by liberalhawk 2008-08-21 13:07|| 2008-08-21 13:07|| Front Page Top

#7 I understand pretty well what Leb is all about (through Michael Totten and others) it's just that you comment did not distinguish between the various groups but talked about the aggregate. The aggregate is represented by the position of the government which still claims to be at war with Israel.

If the Lebs are so nervous maybe they ought to stand up for themselves at least verbally and show who's side they're on. I don't expect the Cedar Rev babes to disarm Hezzies but I do expect them to stand up and say that they should be disarmed. Maybe even ask for and support specific outside help of some kind.

Posted by AlanC 2008-08-21 14:48|| 2008-08-21 14:48|| Front Page Top

#8 yes, I should have been more specific I meant the anti-syrian forces, which in recent months have been the nominal govt.

the claim to be at war is meaningless, IMO.

Stand up and say who should be disarmed? Have you been following Leb in recent months? waving back and forth on that has been the crux of Leb politics.

Posted by liberalhawk 2008-08-21 14:55|| 2008-08-21 14:55|| Front Page Top

#9 INTERFAX > Russia is claming any missles or weapons sold to SYRIA will be DEFENSIVE ONLY, + WON'T UPSET THE BALANCE OF FORCES IN THE REGION???

Also from INTERFAX > Russian Navy is NOT commenting on reports of PLANNED NAVBASE IN SYRIA???

Posted by JosephMendiola 2008-08-21 23:25|| 2008-08-21 23:25|| Front Page Top

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