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2008-08-16 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia

Lots of Russian Combat Photos at this Russian Photo Site

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Posted by 3dc 2008-08-16 03:15|| || Front Page|| [5 views ] Top

#1 I posted to the board:

Русские войска сброд

Russian troops are a rabble.

Watch caps, garrison caps, do-rags, etc. Brave Russian troops without head protection are sniper targets.

Posted by badanov 2008-08-16 07:01|| http://www.freefirezone.org]">[http://www.freefirezone.org] 2008-08-16 07:01|| Front Page Top

#2 Jeebus! Rabble is right!

Posted by Daffy Crimble9703 2008-08-16 08:04|| 2008-08-16 08:04|| Front Page Top

#3 The ones with the pieces of white cloth tied to their arms are Ossetian Irregulars.

Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues 2008-08-16 08:07|| 2008-08-16 08:07|| Front Page Top

#4 There is an old cliche' which I believe to be true: "No combat unit ever passed Inspection".

The dead tankers bodies which you can pack in your pillowcase are how many Tankers actually die. They dont tell them, you have to find out the hard way.

Wretched way to die. We all think we are immortal when we are young... that's why you pick the young men to go. Old men know better and when the old men go in, they know they are going to die with no reprieve. But there is nothing more dangerous in this world than a dead man with nothing more to lose, or an old combat soldier who hates your guts.

Plus its so difficult to kill a dead man who waits until after dark. He doesnt need rations, he can eat pieces of you.

Posted by Angleton 9 2008-08-16 08:29|| 2008-08-16 08:29|| Front Page Top

#5 yea,right. still rabble, though.

Posted by Daffy Crimble9703 2008-08-16 09:04|| 2008-08-16 09:04|| Front Page Top

#6 Russians and Ossetians sure look happy in the photos, fist pumping and smiling. I'm going to relish the thought of how much this is going to cost russia over the next 10 years. With a dwindling population and a single sector(gas/oil) economy they are easy enough to attack at the trade level.

Posted by bigjim-ky 2008-08-16 10:47|| 2008-08-16 10:47|| Front Page Top

#7 Nasty pictures. Looking at the comments, there seems to be some confusion whether this is the work of the Rooskies or the evil pawns of the Great Satan.

Anybody know? Whose tanks were shot up?

Maybe it doesn't matter...

Posted by Bobby 2008-08-16 13:17|| 2008-08-16 13:17|| Front Page Top

#8 Lucky ass bastard with the chest wound. The bullet came in just below his neck (most likely as he was laying down and raised his head up to look around) and entered the chest muscles, bounced off the ribs and exited taking more hunks of flesh with it. Nasty and painful, but not life threatening.

Posted by DarthVader 2008-08-16 13:39|| 2008-08-16 13:39|| Front Page Top

#9 Well, The Georgians might want to get some advice from the Finns. Finland damn near kicked Russia's ass just before WWII. BTW, the Finns joined Hitler to fight Russia, but, I don't recall if they fought the allies. Anyway, the U.S. has squads or platoons that could demolish Russian units (company or higher) before breakfast. Why do we show any respect to Russia? Anybody remember the "Wolfhounds" of the U.S. Army?

Posted by Xenophon 2008-08-16 14:59|| 2008-08-16 14:59|| Front Page Top

#10 Well, The Georgians might want to get some advice from the Finns. Finland damn near kicked Russia's ass just before WWII.

Not quite.

The Finns lost that war despite inflicting casualties on the Russians five to one. If the Soviets had waited until after the winter with tactical air support, the results would not have been so bloody for the Soviets.

Credit Marshal Timoshenko and his inability to conduct large scale successful offensive operations.

When the USSR was about the break through to capture Helsinki, the Finns sued for peace, i.e. surrendered and were dictated terms by the Soviets.

Very, very bad example.

Posted by badanov 2008-08-16 15:44|| http://www.freefirezone.org]">[http://www.freefirezone.org] 2008-08-16 15:44|| Front Page Top

#11 If the graffiti on some of the APCs are to be believed then the Vostok battalion (Chechens) are making up the numbers too. Still apparently proclaiming their allegiance to Sulim Yamadaev (now purged IIRC) too, I doubt the nice Mr Kadyrov would approve. Still, who'd have imagined Chechens going to war for Vlad?

Posted by Unuth Platypus4219 2008-08-16 16:50|| 2008-08-16 16:50|| Front Page Top

#12 but, I don't recall if they fought the allies.

Not counting the USSR. They declared but didn't get to dance. Not certain about the UK but the US did not respond to the Finnish DOW. An oddity.

Posted by .5MT 2008-08-16 17:14|| www.cybernations.net]">[www.cybernations.net] 2008-08-16 17:14|| Front Page Top

#13 US did not respond to the Finnish DOW. An oddity.

Not really. They had fought to take some Alaskan islands back earlier from the Japanese and decided it was too fucking cold to attack Finland.

Posted by DarthVader 2008-08-16 17:42|| 2008-08-16 17:42|| Front Page Top

#14 Ðóññêèå âîéñêà ñáðîä
Easy for you to say.

Posted by .5MT 2008-08-16 17:55|| www.cybernations.net]">[www.cybernations.net] 2008-08-16 17:55|| Front Page Top

#15 Well, all I can say for myself is that it worked in preview.

Posted by .5MT 2008-08-16 17:56|| www.cybernations.net]">[www.cybernations.net] 2008-08-16 17:56|| Front Page Top

#16 You have to "Russify" your 'puter to make it work.

Posted by badanov 2008-08-16 17:57|| http://www.freefirezone.org]">[http://www.freefirezone.org] 2008-08-16 17:57|| Front Page Top

#17 :) Darth
No, the US didn't even declare back on Finland. But maybe you has a point.

Posted by .5MT 2008-08-16 17:57|| www.cybernations.net]">[www.cybernations.net] 2008-08-16 17:57|| Front Page Top

#18 You have to "Russify" your 'puter to make it work.
You got any idea how much diesel costs?

Posted by .5MT 2008-08-16 17:58|| www.cybernations.net]">[www.cybernations.net] 2008-08-16 17:58|| Front Page Top

#19 Vodka works almost as well. But then your computer is useless.

Posted by Pappy 2008-08-16 19:09|| 2008-08-16 19:09|| Front Page Top

#20 "Russify" AKA downloading Cyrillic fonts.

Posted by McZoid 2008-08-16 19:17|| 2008-08-16 19:17|| Front Page Top

#21 The "Wolfhounds" you talked about earlier were the 27th Infantry Regiment deployed to Russia before WWI. They were the first US unit to fight the Red forces.

Anyway, I have seen a lot of Russian troops in the Balkans. Not impressed and Rable best describes them.

Posted by ArmyLife 2008-08-16 21:47|| 2008-08-16 21:47|| Front Page Top

#22 Somehow they managed to take a very modern Georgian army out within a day and could have moved on to Tbilisi easily.

Posted by Sherese Jones6358 2008-08-16 21:50|| 2008-08-16 21:50|| Front Page Top

#23 The Georgian army was equipped mainly with obsolete Soviet era weapons and was primarily trained for light infantry counterinsurgency.

The surprise for Russia was their effective use of Ukrainian air defense systems.

Posted by lotp 2008-08-16 21:52|| 2008-08-16 21:52|| Front Page Top

#24 Really? So where did all the money go?

Posted by Sherese Jones6358 2008-08-16 21:55|| 2008-08-16 21:55|| Front Page Top

#25 Into light arms. Which are of little use against tanks.

But which might come in handy in an insurgency against Russian occupiers.

Posted by lotp 2008-08-16 22:01|| 2008-08-16 22:01|| Front Page Top

#26 #22 Somehow they managed to take a very modern Georgian army out within a day and could have moved on to Tbilisi easily.

yes they could hav but why didn't , mabey they
had some very new equipment .. Ukraine sold the {ithink it was call the s-300
aa system}: we had given them AT systems..
they did a planed retreat from tvisalli {sp} ... yes they left behind unused ordnance ..but they held tiblisi -- they even shot down a backfire...
now us humanitarian aid + us deployment on city fighting Georgianna troops have slowed down Russian advances... {+ whatever else were on the us planes} ... let us see what happens now

Posted by Omusomp Sproing4166 2008-08-16 22:08|| 2008-08-16 22:08|| Front Page Top

#27 The Russians would be very ill advised to occupy Georgia and I doubt that they'd want to.

Posted by Sherese Jones6358 2008-08-16 22:09|| 2008-08-16 22:09|| Front Page Top

#28 Sherese Jones6358, you do what if they do?

Posted by Spike Uniter 2008-08-16 22:17|| 2008-08-16 22:17|| Front Page Top

#29 Oh sorry, I've forgotten... they don't occupy... what was their label for it back in Czechoslovakia... ah! Temporary stationed.

Yea, that's the ticket, they'd be temporary stationed... no occupation whatsoever. Brotherly help. On request of Czechoslovakian, err Georgian people.

Posted by Spike Uniter 2008-08-16 22:22|| 2008-08-16 22:22|| Front Page Top

#30 #27 But this is the origional reason I posted here tonight...

http://www.rantburg.com/url=http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4543728.ece

#9

if they have taken this region there is no more Georgia as far as NATO is concerned..??

Posted by Harry Thrusoling7268 2008-08-16 22:23|| 2008-08-16 22:23|| Front Page Top

#31 sorry , Harry Thrusoling7268 , is linker

Posted by linker 2008-08-16 22:27|| 2008-08-16 22:27|| Front Page Top

#32 My point is that the Russians have no interest in a prolonged guerrilla war with Georgians.

It's nonsense to bring up Czechoslovakia. Totally different times.

Posted by Sherese Jones6358 2008-08-16 22:29|| 2008-08-16 22:29|| Front Page Top

#33 Why not... they had a prolonged conflict with the Chechens and it kept them up with battle hardened troops.. witch you need to fight a proper war..

Posted by linker 2008-08-16 22:34|| 2008-08-16 22:34|| Front Page Top

#34 The only US weapons I saw were a few soldiers with M-16s and a photo of a captured 66mm LAW. More common were the kevlar helmet and body armor.

If the Georgians were armed with TOW, Javelin, Stinger etc., the results might be dramatically different.

Posted by ed 2008-08-16 22:41|| 2008-08-16 22:41|| Front Page Top

#35 If Georgians were armed like that they might very well end up like Chechnya

Posted by Sherese Jones6358 2008-08-16 22:45|| 2008-08-16 22:45|| Front Page Top

#36 I agree totally and as I posted earlier maybe that is what is holding Tbilisi....
oh and they also have that great new digital urban camo... (that i like but could think of better..) + all the new greatly armed street fighting troops from Iraq

Posted by Elinker 2008-08-16 22:50|| 2008-08-16 22:50|| Front Page Top

#37 well that last post did not work .. i meant to say we may well be sending toy with humanitarian aid.

Posted by linker 2008-08-16 22:52|| 2008-08-16 22:52|| Front Page Top

#38 one would think they dont want to occupy Georgia, having made their point.

Yet they are still there, and are throwing hints they are in no hurry to leave. One obvious possibility is that they wont consider the point fully made till Saak falls from power, and they dont expect that to happen if they leave promptly.

In which case an insurgency is a possibility.

Posted by liberalhawk 2008-08-16 22:58|| 2008-08-16 22:58|| Front Page Top

#39 If we armed the Georgians with US anti-tank weapons and stingers, the Russians would start losing troops and tanks very quickly. The Georgian troops trained as counter-insurgency which can quickly be made into insurgents. Given the narrow road and the mountains, the Russians would start looking at Georgia like they did Afghanistan.

Posted by DarthVader 2008-08-16 22:59|| 2008-08-16 22:59|| Front Page Top

#40 but have they taken over the pipline ...
according to the 'agreement they have control on the regions including

Autonomous Republic of Adjara?
from the 6 point plan

Russian forces must go back to positions they held prior to the outbreak of hostilities. """"Pending an international peace monitoring mechanism, Russian peacekeepers will take additional security measures.""""

the base of the oil pipeline into turkey

Posted by linker 2008-08-16 23:06|| 2008-08-16 23:06|| Front Page Top

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