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2007-07-15 Iraq

Saudis' role in Iraq insurgency outlined

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Posted by GolfBravoUSMC 2007-07-15 09:27|| || Front Page|| [9 views ] Top
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#1 Saudi Arabia has been extremely duplicitous in the WOT--for their embracing Wahibism and for being the bankers for terrorism.

Posted by JohnQC 2007-07-15 10:25|| 2007-07-15 10:25|| Front Page Top

#2 "Fill'er up."

Posted by Perfesser 2007-07-15 10:28|| 2007-07-15 10:28|| Front Page Top

#3 Saudi Arabia is the homebase of Jihadi ideology.They fund extremism/Islam throughout the world.Just look at Africa or Thailand to see where the funding is coming from.Bottomline they want Islamic rule worldwide!!!!!

We need to stop the ideology from Saudi which has infected Pakistan,Indonesia,North Africa,Thailand etc etc!!!!

Posted by Paul 2007-07-15 11:38|| 2007-07-15 11:38|| Front Page Top

#4 They Saudi's have bought many powerful friends in Washington, on both sides of the aisle. Their's has been a balancing act for decades, but with a sub-text of worldwide islamic propagation. They rank with Pakistan and Iran as the most dangerous governments on the planet, surpassing the Chicoms who relaly are just totalitarians along with the new Stalin.

Posted by JustAboutEnough 2007-07-15 12:41|| 2007-07-15 12:41|| Front Page Top

#5
How many American servicemen have been killed and maimed because of Saudi extremists? Did we ever publicly pressure the Saudis on this?

Look at how much money the Saudis made over the last two years because of the speculation due to the chaos in Iraq. They probably are making as much money from the war as we are spending trying to end it.

Posted by Penguin 2007-07-15 13:43|| 2007-07-15 13:43|| Front Page Top

#6 The Saudi government does not dispute that some of its youths are ending up as suicide bombers in Iraq, but says it has done everything it can to ~~stop~~ perpetuate the bloodshed.

There, fixed that.

Others contend that Saudi Arabia is allowing fighters sympathetic to Al Qaeda to go to Iraq so they won't create havoc at home.

The House of Saud stays in power by appeasing their Wahabbist clerics. It has always been this way. Nothing will change in Saudi Arabia until we get off the oil teat or take the War on Terrorism to them. Our current crop of politicians are more loyal to the Saudis than they are to American interests so we stand little chance of real change in this matter.

They rank with Pakistan and Iran as the most dangerous governments on the planet, surpassing the Chicoms who relaly are just totalitarians along with the new Stalin.

Saudi Arabia definitely ranks with Pakistan and Iran as a nexus of global terrorism. However, eliminating dependence upon foreign oil could make a huge different with respect to how global terrorism is funded.

Communist China is a far more intractable problem and makes the Muslims look like Boy Scouts. There are just as many Chinese as Muslims in this world. Muslims do not have a racial memory that goes back some six thousand years. The Chinese are far more monolithic by comparison and have always regarded themselves as a Master Race. China has a cohesive military armed with nuclear weapons. All of this makes them a far greater threat.

If necessary, we could obliterate the entire Muslim world in an hour or two. We have no such option with China whilejust like the Saudisthey too buy and sell our politicians like so much rice.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-07-15 13:59|| 2007-07-15 13:59|| Front Page Top

#7 This is why I have long advocated targeted assassinations of terrorist instigators, agitators, facilitators and financial backers.

It should not as a rule be done overtly, but by stealth. Instigators, such as rabble rousing Mullahs, should be poisoned with some agent that would create a hideous and lethal skin condition, which after a few such events would start rumors among their superstitious followers of heavenly punishment.

More sophisticated or connected figures, like Saud Princes, should still be killed, but in a manner that looks like natural causes. Heart attacks and the like.

US policy prohibits the assassination of foreign leaders, but the vast majority of agitators and facilitators are not protected by that ban.

And, while these individuals can recruit seemingly endless numbers of fanatical followers, the actual bosses behind the scenes are probably fewer than a thousand or two.

These are the critical players in the WoT, the upper management that until disposed of will continue to generate terrorism and chaos at will.

And, importantly, there are very few places in the world where they can hide, where covert agents cannot track them down and eliminate them, safely making their escape.

Posted by Anonymoose 2007-07-15 14:07|| 2007-07-15 14:07|| Front Page Top

#8 Word, 'moose. Even a few hundred hitsand not one or two thousandamongst the very top tier of Islam's aristocracy would make a vast difference. The West's refusal to begin such a vital campaign exponentially increases the butcher's bill.

Here's my hit list:

1. Ayman al-Zawahiri
2. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
3. Ayatolla Kahmeini
4. Mullah Muhammad Omar
5. Abu Bakar Ba'asyir (Bashir)
6. Moqtada Sadr,
7. Abu Hamza al-Masri,
8. Mullah Krekar (AKA: Abu Sayyid Qutb),
9. Khaled Meshal
10. Sheikh Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah
11. Ismail Haniya
12. Mohammed Abbas
13. Yusuf al-Qaradawi
14. Gulbuddin Hekmatyar
15. Sheikh Taj al-Din al-Hilali
16. imam Omar Bakri Mohammed
17. imam Abdel-Samie Mahmoud Ibrahim Moussa
18. imam Sheikh SyeSyed Mubarik Ali Gilani
19. Sheikh Abdullah al-Faisal
20. Sheik Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi
21. Dr. Mahmoud al-Zahar
22. Prince Sultan Ibn Abd al-Aziz
23. Prince Bandar bin Sultan bin Abdulaziz
24. Prince Nayef bin Abdulaziz
25. ~~imam Ahmed Abu Laban~~ DEAD

Two dozen hits. Cost? Perhaps a few million dollars. Benefits? Killing off Islam's most revered indoctrinators while shredding some of the most powerful terrorist networks and their financial pipelines.

Even at one million dollars per hit it would still be cheaper than a single day's operations in Iraq.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-07-15 14:26|| 2007-07-15 14:26|| Front Page Top

#9 Saudi Arabia definitely ranks with Pakistan and Iran as a nexus of global terrorism. However, eliminating dependence upon foreign oil could make a huge different with respect to how global terrorism is funded.

Eliminating our dependence upon foreign oil would make a hugh difference.

Posted by JohnQC 2007-07-15 14:49|| 2007-07-15 14:49|| Front Page Top

#10 If the US were to nuke Riyadh one day when all the princes are gathered there, it would send such a shock wave through the muslim world that the war on terror would collapse. Of course, the entire world would denounce us publically, while wiping their heads in relief in private. Nuking Riyadh would also send a message throughout the muslim world that the US is no longer willing to tolerate their extremist bullsh$$, and will strike with our full force against any center of such behavior. Muslims understand only one thing - power. We need to remind them, in a very public and painful way, that the US is still 1000 times more powerful than all the muslim nations in the world, and can rain death and destruction upon them at will. Until we do show we have such power, and the will to exercise it, we will continue to be bled "by a thousand cuts".

Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot 2007-07-15 15:18|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/] 2007-07-15 15:18|| Front Page Top

#11 Lets send Mitch Rapp to Saudi Arabia and....no, wait a minute I was hallucinating. Sorry.

Posted by Jack is Back!">Jack is Back! 2007-07-15 15:24|| 2007-07-15 15:24|| Front Page Top

#12 Fear not, OP. Every waking hour Islam devotes itself to bringing your vision about. It is only a matter of time and sequence as to when Riyadh becomes a plain of smoking glass. Absolutely nothing to date indicates otherwise.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-07-15 15:37|| 2007-07-15 15:37|| Front Page Top

#13 Jack I was just thinking the same thing. We need several dozen CIA Wet Teams out actively hunting this Muslim terrorist and anyone that funds them. Make the deaths bloody as a warning. This is war and it's fricking time to take the gloves off.

Posted by Icerigger">Icerigger 2007-07-15 15:39|| 2007-07-15 15:39|| Front Page Top

#14 Icerigger: By being overt in assassinations, you both lose many psychological effects on the survivors, and increase the risks to the assassins.

That is, many of these turds have a stable full of lieutenants more than willing to step into their shoes, who are just as capable as their bosses. So it is critical that you convince them that the job is not worth it.

For this reason, if we developed an "in" to a terrorist facilitator, we don't necessarily want to kill him immediately. We might want to ruin his entire network and nail several of his peers in the process.

I have also suggested that we capture some of the terrorists and re-write their brains, turning them into assassins working for us. We have long had the technology to do so. We could even turn them into walking bombs, and take out a roomful of enemy leaders all at once--their own bones turning into lethal projectiles.

How would it look for a Saud Prince who was a top financier of al-Qaeda to be savagely killed by a known al-Qaeda who was visiting him?

Posted by Anonymoose 2007-07-15 18:35|| 2007-07-15 18:35|| Front Page Top

#15 Umm Zen,

Can I add Pelosi, Murtha and Reid?

Posted by jds 2007-07-15 19:47|| 2007-07-15 19:47|| Front Page Top

#16 Can I add Pelosi, Murtha and Reid?

I'd strongly advise against suggesting the assassination of American politicians in an online forum. Not that they aren't traitors to our country and worthy of a traitor's punishment. As a nation of law we will need to allow our courts to resolve the penalty for such conduct if that time ever comes. This is not to say that one day the American public might rise up in violent rebellion against the constant treachery of our traitor elite but that too, at this point, is only a potentiality.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-07-15 20:03|| 2007-07-15 20:03|| Front Page Top

#17 The current conflict is best defined: Saudi Arabia and Iran v the US and UK.

Posted by McZoid 2007-07-15 20:39|| 2007-07-15 20:39|| Front Page Top

#18 Can I add Pelosi, Murtha and Reid?

That's a good way to get sinktrapped, jds, or even banned for repeat offenses. The moderators frown on such things. Not only because Americans don't go in for political assassination, even in fun, but because we don't want to be anything like the Kos kiddies.

Posted by trailing wife 2007-07-15 22:06|| 2007-07-15 22:06|| Front Page Top

#19 It should not as a rule be done overtly, but by stealth. Instigators, such as rabble rousing Mullahs, should be poisoned with some agent that would create a hideous and lethal skin condition, which after a few such events would start rumors among their superstitious followers of heavenly punishment.

You make a good point, 'moose. However much I might enjoy looping a video of Nasrallah getting his head blown off just after shouting "death to America" in front 20,000 people, Islam is such a superstitious cult that we would be fools not to induce suspicion and fear at the most basic levels of its operations.

As the old joke goes, "It's bad luck to be superstitious". We need to make it "bad luck" to be a Muslim and especially so to be a terrorist.

How would it look for a Saud Prince who was a top financier of al-Qaeda to be savagely killed by a known al-Qaeda who was visiting him?

While I still prefer the visceral gratification of watching Islam experience disproportionate retaliations for its atrocities, your suggestion that we employ Manchurian Candidate-style infiltration and execution of terrorism's elite has a special flavor to it. More importantly, if we cannot persuade Islam to clean its own house, then we must find other methods of turning them against their radical fanatics.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-07-15 22:19|| 2007-07-15 22:19|| Front Page Top

#20 the largest number of foreign fighters and suicide bombers in Iraq come from a third neighbor, Saudi Arabia, according to a senior U.S. military officer and Iraqi lawmakers.
- um, excuse me, Smelly Times, but do you have any names to go with those figures?

About 45% of all foreign militants targeting U.S. troops and Iraqi civilians and security forces are from Saudi Arabia; .... according to official U.S. military figures made available to The Times by the senior officer Nearly half of the 135 foreigners in U.S. detention facilities in Iraq are Saudis, he said.
um, scuse me, SmellA times, so there IS no name to go with these figures. How do we know that you didn't just write these reports yourself if you can't put a name to them?

Fighters from Saudi Arabia are thought to have carried out more suicide bombings than those of any other nationality, said the senior U.S. officer, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the subject's sensitivity. It is apparently the first time a U.S. official has given such a breakdown on the role played by Saudi nationals in Iraq's Sunni Arab insurgency.
Soooo Smelly Times, you acknowledge that this report is not an offical document, but a non-official one provided by an "anonymous source".

He said 50% of all Saudi fighters in Iraq come here as suicide bombers. In the last six months, such bombings have killed or injured 4,000 Iraqis.
Hmm, if is as factual as you imply - who is he?

The situation has left the U.S. military in the awkward position of battling an enemy whose top source of foreign fighters is a key ally that at best has not been able to prevent its citizens from undertaking bloody attacks in Iraq, and at worst shares complicity in sending extremists to commit attacks against U.S. forces, Iraqi civilians and the Shiite-led government in Baghdad.

The problem casts a spotlight on the tangled web of alliances and enmities that underlie the political relations between Muslim nations and the U.S.

Complicated past

In the 1980s, the Saudi intelligence service sponsored Sunni Muslim fighters for the U.S.-backed Afghan mujahedin battling Soviet troops in Afghanistan. At the time, Saudi intelligence cultivated another man helping the Afghan fighters, Osama bin Laden, the future leader of Al Qaeda who would one day turn against the Saudi royal family and mastermind the Sept. 11 attacks on New York and the Pentagon. Indeed, Saudi Arabia has long been a source of a good portion of the money and manpower for Al Qaeda: 15 of the 19 hijackers in the Sept. 11 attacks were Saudi.

Now, a group that calls itself Al Qaeda in Iraq is the greatest short-term threat to Iraq's security, U.S. military spokesman Brig. Gen. Kevin Bergner said Wednesday.
Ah, A named quote! Does this have ANY relevance to the Saudi stats you gave us above? Let me guess, you won't tell us.

The group, one of several Sunni Muslim insurgent groups operating in Baghdad and beyond, relies on foreigners to carry out suicide attacks because Iraqis are less likely to undertake such strikes, which the movement hopes will provoke sectarian violence, Bergner said. Despite its name, the extent of the group's links to Bin Laden's network, based along the Afghan-Pakistani frontier, is unclear.
Ah another named quote ...but how does it tie in to the Bush/Saudi conspiracy noted above??

The Saudi government does not dispute that some of its youths are ending up as suicide bombers in Iraq, but says it has done everything it can to stop the bloodshed.

"Saudis are actually being misused. Someone is helping them come to Iraq. Someone is helping them inside Iraq. Someone is recruiting them to be suicide bombers. We have no idea who these people are. We aren't getting any formal information from the Iraqi government," said Gen. Mansour Turki, spokesman for the Saudi Interior Ministry.

"If we get good feedback from the Iraqi government about Saudis being arrested in Iraq, probably we can help," he said.

Defenders of Saudi Arabia pointed out that it has sought to control its lengthy border with Iraq and has fought a bruising domestic war against Al Qaeda since Sept. 11.

said a U.S. intelligence official in Washington, who spoke on condition of anonymity. Deep suspicions

Others contend

Other Iraqi officials said
But some Iraqi Shiite leaders say

the UNNAMED senior U.S. military officer said.
UNNAMED Iraqi officials agreed.

the senior officer said. An estimated 60 to 80 foreign fighters cross into Iraq each month, according to the U.S. military.

Etc.

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