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2007-06-13 China-Japan-Koreas

China's dream of empire, the original map

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Posted by Ching Spoth1127 2007-06-13 02:06|| || Front Page|| [5 views ] Top

#1 I'm sure the Chinese aren't happy with this map either, but the boys in Ulan Bator think its nifty. History can be played both ways.

Posted by Procopius2k 2007-06-13 08:26|| 2007-06-13 08:26|| Front Page Top

#2 This isn't just a figment of someone's imagination. Chinese at the street level think of these areas as lost territories. I expect that when China's military is ready, the Chinese will renounce past border agreements as "unequal treaties", and proceed to recover their "lost territories".

Posted by Zhang Fei 2007-06-13 08:46|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2007-06-13 08:46|| Front Page Top

#3 How much of that Chinese mapped territory overlaps the Ummah? Quite a lot, it appears. Head-to-head, my money's on Beijing, but lots of innocents would get squished as the big guys flailed around at each other. On the other hand, a whole lot of Islamonuts would get squished too.

Big players: EU, Russia, China, US, India, Ummah.
EU: losing to Ummah via demographics and multi-culti.
Russia: lost Islamic SSR to Ummah; Siberia at serious risk to China.
China: gaining on EU & US via trade & foreign intervention (& espionage); at risk vs Ummah.
US: still #1, but at risk to most via multi-culti & demographics (& internal infighting).
India: gaining on most but still way back. At risk to Ummah due to proximity & history - New Delhi could be the Stalingrad to Islamofascism's expansion (very brutal and costly, but decisive.) China positioning to take on the winner and pick up the pieces.
Ummah: Has the population base, but that's it. Eventually they'll push somebody too far and the gloves will come off. The Ghost Dance shirts didn't protect the Indians any better than Allan will protect the Muslims when that happens.
China plays long, long term. And they're rational. They'll maneuver around the edges of all the above as they confront each other (and likely even 'encourage' the confrontations), and pick up pieces as they become available. Don't take your eyes off them.

Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore 2007-06-13 09:35|| 2007-06-13 09:35|| Front Page Top

#4 Loving the Ghost Dance reference, Glenmore.

Posted by Excalibur 2007-06-13 10:07|| 2007-06-13 10:07|| Front Page Top

#5 I still think that if/when China makes a land grab it will be either the Stans (possible under some anti-terrorism or such BS) or Russian E aka Siberia. Very simply both of those moves will play to China's strong points militarily Army , Airforce that against the Stans would dominate or Russia would hold its own and come out by numbers. These territories would give China what it desperatley needs both land mass to expand into and the Natrual resources that the US can currently choke off via our sea dominance.

Tiawan would bring war with the US and play to China's weaknesses Navy, Airforce. SE Asia play would send that region back into our corner and don't forget the Chicom's already tried this back right after the US/Vietnam war and failed horribly. China maybe stronger now but we also woudl be willing to support SE Asia in thier defense now. S Asia Tiawan would draw US in stuanch ally more so than even Tiawan and Burma may go un-headed or may just send India into the fight.

I think China is playing Russia for a major beatdown. Getting Putty to step away from the west isolating him at the sametime the war games which both improve the Chicom military and learn the Russian capabilities.

Ohhh yeah and did I mention that right now there is more illegal Chinese migrants in Siberia than there is Russian's? Russia is low hanging fruit on the tree and the Chicoms are hungry for the sweet taste of that Siberian Gold, Oil, Land, minerals. hmmmm

Posted by C-Low 2007-06-13 16:45|| 2007-06-13 16:45|| Front Page Top

#6 C-low, it's a waiting game of demographics. Chinese don't have to use military (unless they will be inclined to get some reduction of excess males). In about 50 years, Sibiria will be almost depopulated (not many ethnic Russian will be left there). Even in 30 years, they may be able to grab it with a little or almost no resistance on Russian part.

Posted by twobyfour 2007-06-13 22:35|| 2007-06-13 22:35|| Front Page Top

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