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2005-12-28 Home Front: Politix

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Posted by Steve White 2005-12-28 00:00|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Can any Rantburger explain to me why FISA was enacted in the first place? What was it supposed to accomplish? From all I have read, all it did was set up a process of review that admins were free to ignore-- and every subsequent admin has ignored!-- under the war-making power vested in the executive by the Constitution. So what the heck was FISA supposed to accomplish?

Puzzled In Long Beach

Posted by Wuzzalib 2005-12-28 00:41|| 2005-12-28 00:41|| Front Page Top

#2 Although the administration could have sought such warrants, it chose not to for good reasons.

I think I feel faint...

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2005-12-28 02:16|| 2005-12-28 02:16|| Front Page Top

#3 This still doesn't change the fact that I would rather try to read some paper smeared with canine feces than the NYT.

Posted by Mahou Sensei Negi-bozu 2005-12-28 02:41|| 2005-12-28 02:41|| Front Page Top

#4 Is this some sort of apology? First they let it out that the US is doing it, stirr up all the hate and dicontent, and now they publish it was all legal??? These asshats that call themselves journalists are seitious morons who's Sophmoric acts need to face a judge and jury.

Posted by 49 pan">49 pan 2005-12-28 08:24|| 2005-12-28 08:24|| Front Page Top

#5 This was an op-ed, not an opinion written by the NYT editorial board. You'll note it was written by Reagan/Bush 41 appointees.

Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious 2005-12-28 09:53|| 2005-12-28 09:53|| Front Page Top

#6 Puzzled - FISA was set up as an expedited process for National Security search/surveillance warrants that came short of completely abandoning the principle of judicial review. In exchange for the shortcuts and lower probable cause burden in the FISA system, the information obtained under these warrants was supposed to be excluded from the criminal justice system.

It was pretty much a rubber stamp until 2002, when the court started to second guess what I'm guessing were more "ambitious" requests from the administration post 9/11.

Posted by Shomble Elmeng3297 2005-12-28 10:21|| 2005-12-28 10:21|| Front Page Top

#7 Look again: this is a Fig leaf piece written, not by NYT opinion editors, but by lawyers from the Bush I and Reagan Justice departments.

Sure, it's lacking in some pertinent facts, and could be a bit more fiery, but if they did, the NYT editors would have nixed it and looked for someone more tame and accomodating: Ann Coulter got dismissed from covering the democratic national convention because she was BETTER at poking fun at the democrats SACRED COW than Moore at the Republican convention.

They probably let this out very reluctantly, and only after making a promise to spike any other pro-bush commentary for the next two weeks.

Posted by Ptah">Ptah 2005-12-28 10:24|| http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org]">[http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org] 2005-12-28 10:24|| Front Page Top

#8 I still want the NYT staff in jail unless they drop dime on the leaker. Can you see Pinchy in an orange jump suit?

Posted by Cyber Sarge">Cyber Sarge 2005-12-28 14:19|| 2005-12-28 14:19|| Front Page Top

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