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2005-12-28 Great White North

Canada blames U.S. for gun violence (hint: Gun grab coming)

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Posted by Frank G 2005-12-28 12:07|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 For those playing with maps, Canukistan is that part of Canada east of Saskatchewan and west of PEI, above 54'40" N and below 60' N.

So, y'know, it's not all that big.

Posted by mojo">mojo 2005-12-28 12:26|| 2005-12-28 12:26|| Front Page Top

#2
Note no discussion of the unemployed gang youths ethnicity or religion.

Posted by DoDo 2005-12-28 12:50|| 2005-12-28 12:50|| Front Page Top

#3 PM Martins comments got a lot of press coverage because there is an election. But I think what has happened is that the general public has realized how stupid his comments were. Blaming the Americans AND banning hand guns would seem like the perfect play. But I think what happened is it caused the public to think about the issue.

There was a great cartoon in the editorial pages of a paper here that some guy mugging an elderly couple at (hand) gun-point. The eldery man said "you can't rob us. That gun is illegal." I am a big believer that editorial cartoons follow public opinion....

There is also some irony with respect to blaming the Americans on gun smuggling. We always go into a snit when the Americans say that we let terrorists into the US. One of the things we say is that we do not "let" anyone into the US. It's up to the US to decide who gets into their country....So, following that logic, it should be up to us to decide how many handguns we allow to be smuggled in. In other words, it is our problem.

Posted by Canuck 2005-12-28 14:14|| 2005-12-28 14:14|| Front Page Top

#4 More guns per capata in Canada then in the USA. They are all mostly rifles and shotguns.

Thisw is a gun grab. Not they have them all regisgtered they can pick them up. The RCMP will do as they are told. The criminals will still have guns.

Posted by Mahou Sensei Negi-bozu 2005-12-28 15:11|| 2005-12-28 15:11|| Front Page Top

#5 The shooting stemmed from a dispute among a group of 10 to 15 youth,

I notice they pointedly do NOT state what race, nationality, religion those "Youth" are.
I for one want to know, since what we've seen so far is agression by the Muslim "Youth" followed by a extremely well publicised backlash by the "WHITE YOUTHS" (With absolutely no mention of the Muslim agression that preceded the backlash)

I'm seeing a pattern here, and disarming the general populace fits very neatly into this pattern, (make sure the Victims cannot retaliate)

Posted by Redneck Jim 2005-12-28 15:23|| 2005-12-28 15:23|| Front Page Top

#6 I'm not nearly so worried about the Nountie as I am with the babe with the shotgun muzzle right next to his ear.

Posted by Grock Wheth9241 2005-12-28 15:51|| 2005-12-28 15:51|| Front Page Top

#7 from what they said was the United States exporting its violence

Do we get to count that as part of the GNP? Anything to get those pesky trade deficits down.

Posted by Dreadnought 2005-12-28 15:51|| 2005-12-28 15:51|| Front Page Top

#8 But I think what has happened is that the general public has realized how stupid his comments were.

It's not just Mr. Martin's comments that are stupid...

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2005-12-28 16:23|| 2005-12-28 16:23|| Front Page Top

#9 So what I took away from the Article is that the criminals STILL have guns but the people do not. Well that sounds like a winning recipe, good luck with that.

Posted by Cyber Sarge">Cyber Sarge 2005-12-28 16:23|| 2005-12-28 16:23|| Front Page Top

#10 BAR, Careful with the ad hominems.

Posted by Grock Wheth9241 2005-12-28 16:33|| 2005-12-28 16:33|| Front Page Top

#11 Background on Martin's proposed "handgun ban":

Handguns are already banned, except for licenced gun collectors and target shooters. Martin's proposal is to get rid of the gun collector's permit, which would force gun collectors to become target shooters. What this means practically, I have no idea, but presumably target shooters keep their guns at the range, therefore theoretically no guns will be kept at home if Martin has his way. So there's your handgun "ban".

BTW, Toronto doesn't have a gun problem, it has a gang problem. And with a socialist mayor, it's never the criminals' fault...it's ours!

Posted by Rafael 2005-12-28 17:06|| 2005-12-28 17:06|| Front Page Top

#12 The Canucks have always been interested in American violence, exported or otherwise. During the Detroit riots in 1967, Windsor's (little Canadian burg across the river from Detroit) 50,000 watt powerhouse CKLW played "Come on baby light my fire" almost nonstop and ran a wonderful promotion called "CKLW time bomb time". Helpful fellows, eh?

Posted by RWV 2005-12-28 19:28|| 2005-12-28 19:28|| Front Page Top

#13 The change from colector to target shooter means the firearms could not be kept at home but under lock and key some place else where of course they can be gathered up without interference from their rightfull owners.

Posted by Mahou Sensei Negi-bozu 2005-12-28 20:11|| 2005-12-28 20:11|| Front Page Top

#14 Miller said that while almost every other crime in Toronto is down, the supply of guns has increased and half of them come from the United States.
Probably why it's called Cana-Duh, name another nation that borders Cana-Duh and has open borders?
None?
Gee what a surprise.

Posted by Redneck Jim 2005-12-28 20:19|| 2005-12-28 20:19|| Front Page Top

#15 BAR, Careful with the ad hominems.

Just who did you think was being slighted?

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2005-12-28 20:44|| 2005-12-28 20:44|| Front Page Top

#16 The bad guys will always have guns and other deadly things no matter what side of the border they're on, and no matter whom prevails in the WOT - many of these recognize that since 9-11 the choice for SOcialism/OWG-happy moonbats, Commies, Lefties and Anarchists-Mafiacrats, etc. is to either kill the USA, be killed by the USA, or be killed by America's enemies both domestic andor international. Canada = Lebanon-Syria > chose btwn IRAN vs US-ISRAEL > control your nation's territory or you don't, AND ALL THE MACKENZIE BROS. BEER BRANDS, BRIT TEA & BISCUITS, & FRENCH CROISSANTS IN THE WORLD OR TORONTO ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE THE MINDS OF NEITHER CANADA'S ENEMIES NOR AMERICA'S NOR OF WESTERN DEMOCRACY.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2005-12-28 21:56|| 2005-12-28 21:56|| Front Page Top

#17 Just who did you think was being slighted?

Me. I'm senstive.

Posted by Grock Wheth9241 2005-12-28 22:45|| 2005-12-28 22:45|| Front Page Top

#18 Me.

Actually, it was a comment on Mr. Martin exclusively. If he actually believes what he says on the subject of guns and the U.S., then his problems run a little more deeply than one might suspect.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2005-12-28 23:45|| 2005-12-28 23:45|| Front Page Top

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