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2004-04-07 Home Front: Culture Wars

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Posted by Brandon Jordan 2004-04-07 16:03|| || Front Page|| [4 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Disney rewrites history to be P.C. again....
In addition, this filmâs script portrays General Sam Houston, the military victor at the Battle of San Jacinto which allowed Texas to gain its independence from Mexico, as a venereal diseased drunkard; Colonel William Barret Travis, commander of Texan forces at the Alamo, as a dead beat dad and serial adulterer; Colonel James Bowie, the Alamo defender famous for his knife fighting skills, as a land swindling, slave trader; and Davy Crockett, the king of the wild frontier, as a war criminal, who participated in a My Lai style massacre in the Creek Indian War and was captured and executed at the Alamo. By contrast, Manuel Castrillon, a Mexican General who attacked the Alamo, is portrayed as a flawless, noble, and brave hero.

Posted by CrazyFool 2004-04-07 6:44:47 PM|| 2004-04-07 6:44:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 BS Metre Klickin!
Plain old freedumballiance.bullshit.

.com?

Posted by Shipman 2004-04-07 8:00:28 PM|| 2004-04-07 8:00:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 BS in the review not the movie.

Posted by Shipman 2004-04-07 8:00:56 PM|| 2004-04-07 8:00:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 Sometimes one has to wonder about Disney. Once a paragon of the family film and animation genre and utterly respectable. But that was somewhere back then and this is now. Most of the fall to hard times, and now to stupid times, seems to be on Eisner's watch - and will be his legacy. Why anyone might be interested in hiring him is far beyond my ken. He is a loser who brought his stink to Disney - and ruined their reputation.

I'm not an expert on the Alamo and know about what you'd expect from someone born in Texas and reared on the legend and the collection of characters that populated the scene. Regards Sam Houston, I am much better informed and he was not a scurilous figure. Diseased? I seriously doubt it - he was around for a long time after the Alamo - 1863.

This is Hollyweird Revisionism. If Michael Moore can win an Oscar for an obvious non-documentary in the Documentary category - Hollyweird's grasp of fact is non-existent. I think this looks a lot like silly mercenary fucktard political PCism revisionism tripe.

Posted by .com 2004-04-07 8:39:13 PM|| 2004-04-07 8:39:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 .com I disagree with you on Disney having changed. I hated Disney movies as a kid, because they were so transparently false and contrived, while pretending to be real. This was when I was a ten year old kid.

The real problem is that an alarmingly high number of people can't separate fact from fiction, as MM's book sales and the popularity of Chumpsky's ravings demonstrate.

Posted by Phil B 2004-04-07 8:51:37 PM|| 2004-04-07 8:51:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 do you mean the Matrix isn't real? Damn!

Posted by Frank G 2004-04-07 9:01:42 PM|| 2004-04-07 9:01:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Whoa, Phil B - I don't think they even pretended to be documentaries - they produced romantic fairy tales and made no bones about it. Today is different and those who produce crap and clearly imply (if not claim) it is factual are bullshit artists. I remember Disney stuff very well, too - and I don't recall any which were portrayed as a factual documentary prior to somewhere in recent years, say the late 70s or early 80s.

Hey, I'm no Disney chronologer. If you point out false documentaries - I'll take your word. I'm in my 50's - maybe that's where we're crossing timelines.

Posted by .com 2004-04-07 9:18:29 PM|| 2004-04-07 9:18:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 Actually Crockett was beaten to death after being taken prisoner, that is true. Santa Anna ordered the execution - Mexican officers were ashamed of it by later accounts as they felt Crockett was a brave man.

Posted by Jarhead 2004-04-07 9:21:35 PM|| 2004-04-07 9:21:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Disney was making phony 'documentaries' in the 50s and 60s. I recall a number of sugary sweet animals finding their way home movies like the Incredible Journey. They may not have been promoted as documentaries, but they did use a documentary format. IMVHO Disney has made a lot of money for a long time by blurring the distinction between fact and fiction. Yep, I don't like Disney or its products.

Posted by Phil B 2004-04-07 9:40:16 PM|| 2004-04-07 9:40:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 I can forgive everything Disney's done, except Captain Eo

Posted by Frank G 2004-04-07 9:42:35 PM|| 2004-04-07 9:42:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 Sheesh, Phil! Okay, is this where I admit that I've never seen Fantasia straight?

Posted by .com 2004-04-07 9:44:21 PM|| 2004-04-07 9:44:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 you and me both, .com, heh heh, shrooms 4 U too?

Posted by Frank G 2004-04-07 9:46:13 PM|| 2004-04-07 9:46:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 Mescaline. All natural, like the shrooms. Yep, mucky would love us - we be green way before t'was cool!

Posted by .com 2004-04-07 9:49:59 PM|| 2004-04-07 9:49:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 saw "Apocalypse Now" same condition...big mistake

Posted by Frank G 2004-04-07 10:06:01 PM|| 2004-04-07 10:06:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 Eeeeeeewwwwwww - Martin "Sheeeeeeeeen" Estevez!!!

That'd screw anyone up!

Posted by .com 2004-04-07 10:18:49 PM|| 2004-04-07 10:18:49 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 Should it be Remember the aLLLamo?

Posted by Super Hose 2004-04-07 10:43:50 PM|| 2004-04-07 10:43:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 This movie was to be done by Ron Howard.... set built (a few miles from where I live).....and then Disney and Howard split, cause Disney wasn't willing to let Howard make the movie that "was to be the real story."

That's all from local news, of course, but I got to believe this gossip, cause this was great talk throughout these parts from the beginnings of this movie. Austin has become a "film making" town and the local talk makes the local news.

Posted by Sherry 2004-04-07 10:44:56 PM|| 2004-04-07 10:44:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Was Crockett executed or did he die fighting gallantly. I'll stick with the accounts of Del le Pena and others who had no reason to lie. If I produce a 1st century letter from Paul to the Romans there would be somebody to find it a forgery. The thing that has always struck me about the le Pena account is his telling of both the march to San Antonio and the disasterous retreat back into the Mexican Heartland. He pulls no punches. In the end the story of the Alamo is the Texans got their ass kicked by the Mexicans

Posted by Cheddarhead 2004-04-07 11:12:26 PM|| 2004-04-07 11:12:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 Some of the info is true. Travis was a fillanderer and Bowie did run a successful land scam in Arkansas, I beleive - no it wasn't whitewater.

Posted by Super Hose 2004-04-08 1:30:18 AM|| 2004-04-08 1:30:18 AM|| Front Page Top

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