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It's the Army of Steve™ with a request for all you posters. Not to pick on anyone, but if your handle begins with the letter "Z" ("Zed" in Canada), pay attention, trooper! Please make sure that you supply a source URL when you post. Otherwise it goes to the holding tank for sure. When I see this I have to buck it up to Major Fred, thus delaying your post, as the Major may not roll into the mess hall til 0530 or so.

As Fred has noted previously, please post only original hard news articles from recognized on-line sources. Interesting opinion pieces should be posted with just the title and the source URL-- we can go there if we want. Exceptions generally are made for Victor Davis Henson and Mark Steyn.

Keep 'em short and cut the fluff so as to ease the strain both on all our readers and on Fred's server. Some modest formatting can save space; many newspapers assume you can't follow a paragraph that has more than one sentence. "EFL" = edited for length, always a good idea.

If you're new to Rantburg: indented comments with color backgrounds are written by --
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Dan Darling
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the other, smarter Steve

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Thx, AoS™
Posted by: Steve White || 04/06/2004 12:12:15 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Indented comments brought to you by the Rainbow Coalition. Heh heh.
Posted by: Alaska Paul on the Road || 04/06/2004 1:00 Comments || Top||

#2  Now I'm scared. What should I do? Meds?
Posted by: Lucky || 04/06/2004 1:16 Comments || Top||

#3  My posts always seem to go the holding tank, even though I always supply a source URL (and my name obviously doesn't start with "Z"). Is this a subtle hint that I'm not wanted here? Or am I just stupid and doing something wrong...
Posted by: Rafael || 04/06/2004 3:48 Comments || Top||

#4  Steve, thank you for the heads up. I attempted to supply the URLs for my quotes about Mulslim condemnation of terror. For some reason the straight URLs would not post (I tried three times). As a newcomer, I also have a great deal of difficulty with your link codes. Most of my previous experience is with Vb (V Bulletin) coding.

The most recent text I submitted "A Credible Deterrent to Terrorist Nuclear Attack" is my own writing. Please know that I would never submit someone else's work without a source link. You probably already know that I take great pains to distinguish between cited material and my own contributions.

Would you please clarify about submissions. Is personal work pertinent to major topics allowed? Or must all material be connected to a specific published news article?

Thank you.
Posted by: Zenster || 04/06/2004 4:24 Comments || Top||

#5  I'm not one of the Rantburg editors, but I believe the policy here is that RB is NOT a place for posting one's own essays.

Like the AoS said: only original hard news articles from recognized on-line sources.
Posted by: Dave D. || 04/06/2004 6:17 Comments || Top||

#6  the other, smarter Steve

With age comes wisdom, young Jedi.
Posted by: Steve || 04/06/2004 8:11 Comments || Top||

#7  Rafael don't take it personally my articles do as well, although occasionally one gets posted right away.
Posted by: Phil B || 04/06/2004 8:14 Comments || Top||

#8  InterAOS Snarkiness Yes!
Posted by: Shipman || 04/06/2004 8:35 Comments || Top||

#9  Zenster, I think it might have to do with Java settings or something like that. For the longest time I could only post from home and not from ... er ... another place I have Net access. Monkeyed with browser settings and voila.

Say, who's that good looking gal in the Blogads?
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 04/06/2004 9:41 Comments || Top||

#10  With the BlogAds blogs are looking more and more like small weeklies from say... 1800. Neato. Is there already a Saturday Evening Blog? If not why not?

Posted by: Shipman || 04/06/2004 9:55 Comments || Top||

#11  Nice BlogAd, Chuck! Not that I needed any more incentive to visit your titillating site to keep abreast of current events, as I've discovered months ago it's a veritable treasure chest of news and opinion. Maybe Fred will put up a Rantburg ad on your site--tit for tat, so to speak?
Posted by: Dar || 04/06/2004 10:30 Comments || Top||

#12  I like "AssEds", myself...
Posted by: mojo || 04/06/2004 10:47 Comments || Top||

#13  Amen to the Hanson and Steyn exceptions.

A minor note to Dan Darling: you post interesting articles, but do do some editing, unless it's password protected.
Posted by: Ptah || 04/06/2004 11:05 Comments || Top||

#14  Zenster, I think it might have to do with Java settings

Nah, its his browser thats the problem.
Posted by: Phil B || 04/06/2004 11:09 Comments || Top||

#15  There seems also to be a Lileks Exception. If there isn't, there should be.
Posted by: Mike || 04/06/2004 12:06 Comments || Top||

#16  Rafael - I fixed it so your posts should go through okay. Phil, you use Phil B and Phil_B. The underscore version was on the approved list. Now both are.

New posters should expect to spend a week or two stopping in the holding tank for review. That's just to make sure they're not really Boris in disguise. (It looks like he's on vacation now...) It also gives you time to learn the layout and what's on-topic.

Please don't post pure opinion pieces. As noted, there's an exception for Steyn, Hanson, Lileks, and the like. That's mainly because I wilt in the presence of good writing. But it's best to excerpt the good parts where they bear on WoT (and occasionally politix). Posting the entire article's a copyright violation, unless you're doing a thorough commentary on it.

Feel free to post your own research articles, as long as they're on-topic. Mike Sylwester's got a good series going on the Oklahoma City-Manila connection, well worth reading. If I ever get time, I want to write a couple myself.

I'm thinking about an op-ed page, but I'm still fuzzy on how it'd work. It would be Page 3, though, and the posts wouldn't appear on the main page. You'd have to specifically go read it. I'm thinking of doing the same with Page 2 articles, too, with Page 1 devoted to WoT. Let me know what you think...
Posted by: Fred || 04/06/2004 12:33 Comments || Top||

#17  you need a blue commentor to complete the Lucky Charms™ wallpaper theme
Posted by: Frank G || 04/06/2004 13:05 Comments || Top||

#18  Frank G - and you'd fill the bill nicely! Lol! Shoulda kept quiet - you've obviously forgotten the #1 maxim from your time in the service: never speak up - if there's work associated, they'll stick you with it! Lol! I like it: Our Chronic High Triglycerides Editor!
;->
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 13:17 Comments || Top||

#19  LOL, thanks....I've been called worse....by my family ;-)
Posted by: Frank G || 04/06/2004 13:21 Comments || Top||

#20  I'm "intemperate" - the same thing in super-polished-diplo-speak, lol!
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 13:23 Comments || Top||

#21  Thanks Fred. Much appreciated.
Posted by: Rafael || 04/06/2004 13:43 Comments || Top||

#22  Where do you suppose Boris goes on vacation?

Damn my infernal curiosity!
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 04/06/2004 13:59 Comments || Top||

#23  Dachau?
Posted by: Fred || 04/06/2004 14:27 Comments || Top||

#24  Srebrenica?
Posted by: Frank G || 04/06/2004 14:29 Comments || Top||

#25  Havana or Pongyang would be my guess.
Posted by: Steve || 04/06/2004 14:32 Comments || Top||

#26  It's nice to be missed.
Posted by: Norris || 04/06/2004 14:41 Comments || Top||

#27  im thinking idaho.
Posted by: muck4doo || 04/06/2004 14:46 Comments || Top||

#28  Steve W - BHLTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!
Posted by: Anonymous2U || 04/06/2004 15:45 Comments || Top||

#29  My two pennies...I would like to see more news from WoT and less on domestic politix. Lots of blogs do politix...none even comes close to RB for hard news. I'd also like more straightforward headlines; they've been getting awfully clever lately. I like to think that decision makers read Rantburg and can come away with solid information that can help them choose the correct path. Fred, I have a couple ideas regarding an op-ed page. I'll email you about them separately. Associate editors, many thanks for your hard work and for the super groovy rainbow effect when you all chime in. It's magically delicious!
Posted by: Seafarious || 04/06/2004 18:21 Comments || Top||

#30  LOL ;-) unfortunately WOT and Politix are so-intertwined in an election year that they can't be separated. I'm one of the miscreants who posts both, but I agree with/like Fred's separation of the Home Front - Politix, WOT. That said, I'd like to hear your thoughts too
Posted by: Frank G || 04/06/2004 18:28 Comments || Top||

#31  Ki Hee Lee! 395 online.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/06/2004 18:30 Comments || Top||


Arabia
41 al-Qaeda to be put on trial in Yemen
Yemen announced on Thursday that 41 terrorism suspects will be referred to court during the coming days. The 26 September weekly, close to the Presidency and mouthpiece of the military, reported that 41 al-Qaeda suspects, including 6 people suspected of being involved in the USS Cole bombing and 5 others in the French oil tanker Limburg bombing will be tried soon. The source said that the decision to refer their files to the prosecution and court has been taken after the security authorities completed their investigations into the cases. It said the trial of the suspects would start soon, without giving a date. The Yemeni authorities announced several times that investigations into these issues have been completed and that the trial of the suspects would be run soon, but nothing happened since the suicide bombings against the Cole and Limburg. The US refused several times to allow the suspects of the Cole bombing to be tried, in order to collect more information on the operatives.

Some political analysts said that the announcement by Yemen shows that Yemen has a problem with the US and it said openly that the US is asking for things that are impossible to achieve without financial rewards. However, the US stresses that protecting Yemen’s porous border is the responsibility of the Yemeni Government and that the US is committed to assist Yemen in this regard.
Yemen arrested some people suspected of having links to the Cole operation. Some local and international human rights organizations lashed out at the Yemeni Government for detaining tens of al-Qaeda suspects without legal warrants or trial. Some have been released after they pledged to the clerics committee conducting dialogue with the detained extremists that they would never get involved in terrorist activities. However, security officials expressed worry that some people who were released were caught red-handed.
Comes as a surprise, huh?
Posted by: Dan Darling || 04/06/2004 12:39:02 AM || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Come-on let's go for two out of three. No three strikes yet. Let me go and I'll be good this time. Hey, AI how about some help over here. Please, please, please let me go.
Posted by: Super Hose || 04/06/2004 14:28 Comments || Top||


Britain
Very Nasty’
Potential Bomb Plot Involved Deadly Chemical
British authorities believe terror suspects arrested last week were planning to make a bomb that would include a highly toxic, easily obtained chemical called osmium tetroxide, ABCNEWS has learned. Used primarily in laboratories for research, osmium tetroxide is known to attack soft human tissue and could blind or kill anyone who breathed its fumes. According to the New Jersey Department of Health, it is a colorless to pale yellow solid with a strong, unpleasant odor. "It’s a nasty piece of work," said Dave Siegrist, a bioterrorism expert at the Potomac Institute for Policy Studies in Arlington, Va. "It irritates the eyes, lungs, nose and throat. It leads to an asthma-like death, what we call a ’dry-land drowning.’ " Scientists say if, for example, the bomb used in the 1993 World Trade Center attack had produced such fumes, they would have wiped out the first police and rescue workers on the scene. "They become overwhelmed by fumes," said Jerry Hauer, an expert on biological and chemical terrorism and director of public health preparedness at the Department of Health and Human Services, describing what could have happened. "They can go blind. This is not a benign chemical. It is very nasty."

Eight British citizens of Pakistani descent were arrested and taken into custody when 700 police raided 24 locations in and around London on March 30. Investigators say British authorities moved in when they learned from electronic intercepts the dangerous chemical was involved in the plot. They had been the tracking group’s activities for several months. According to sources, there was some indication the group in custody was targeting Gatwick airport, the British public transportation system and enclosed shopping areas. British authorities feared it had the potential to be one of the worst attacks ever against the United Kingdom.

Even though the arrests were made in the United Kingdom, authorities say the operation was being run out of Pakistan by a suspected al Qaeda figure. "They are creative in their planning," said Hauer. "They continue to work around our systems." This is the first time osmium tetroxide has been linked to possible terror use. It’s sold, with few questions asked, on Internet sites, as are many industrial chemicals that could be equally as potent. You never see the supplier and the supplier never sees you. A package arrives on the doorstep a few days later." U.S. officials say the likelihood of a chemical bomb is much greater than a biological and radiological one. Yet the United States has still not settled how to tighten restrictions on what are known as toxic industrial chemicals, which are well-known to al Qaeda bomb-makers and still easily available.
Posted by: tipper || 04/06/2004 1:24:30 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  U.S. officials say the likelihood of a chemical bomb is much greater than a biological and radiological one. Yet the United States has still not settled how to tighten restrictions on what are known as toxic industrial chemicals, which are well-known to al Qaeda bomb-makers and still easily available.

I don't think you can ever afford to adopt a passive defensive posture with respect to terrorist attacks. If you consistently attack both domestically and internationally, you remain vulnerable to only Muhhamed/Malvo teams or the Richard Reids.

It should also be your goal to become a very hard target and a country know for unflinching reprisals, so that the terrorists have a better chance of success against oterh more attractive quarry.
Posted by: Super Hose || 04/06/2004 3:05 Comments || Top||

#2 
Eight British citizens of Pakistani descent were arrested and taken into custody

If they wanted to live as vicious primitive Moslems, they should have emigrated back to Pakistan, where they would have felt at home. Since they insisted on living like that in the UK, they will have to do so in prison.
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Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 04/06/2004 7:35 Comments || Top||

#3  Mike - Many in the UK are beginning to come round to this view. Even moderate Muslims are beginning to worry that they'll 'get it in the neck' but show no signs of being able to calm their more extreme brethren and no sign of being truly sincere about irradicating the threat they pose. I say we execute the boomers for treason or at least offer them the opportunity to commit suicide, with osmium tetroxide.
Posted by: Howard UK || 04/06/2004 8:13 Comments || Top||

#4  Any chemists out there?

Not to downplay the seriousness of this plot, but wouldn't Osmium Tetraoxide (an oxidizer) be reduced in any explosion to Osmium Dioxide?

Osmium Dioxide isn't water soluble. - meaning it would have a harder time entering the body.
Posted by: Lux || 04/06/2004 10:08 Comments || Top||

#5  Lux, IIRC the engineering problem with any chemical munition is to gauge the size of the bursting charge so that it aerosolizes the agent, doesn't oxidize it, and spreads it adequately. Those are the design tradeoffs.
Posted by: 11A5S || 04/06/2004 11:26 Comments || Top||

#6  Look up Derek Lowe's website. He's an organic chemist, and has an article on the effects of OsO4.
Posted by: Eric Jablow || 04/06/2004 11:58 Comments || Top||

#7  I still can't see the danger of Fosters being aerosolized.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/06/2004 12:00 Comments || Top||

#8  In an enclosed space like the tube, there is a chance that they intended to burn or vaporize the chemicals rather than exploding them. A gas attack in an enclosed space will be especially devastating depending on whether the recirculation vent fans shutdown automatically or can be shutdown quickly by manual operation.
Posted by: Super Hose || 04/06/2004 14:41 Comments || Top||

#9  It might be worth running a computer or actual simulation of some scenarios to identify some measures to isolate any gas.
Posted by: Super Hose || 04/06/2004 14:43 Comments || Top||

#10  I guess I just find it odd that such an obscure and expensive chemical would be used in a crude fertiliser bomb.

My first thought was that it might be mixed sparingly into the fertiliser to act as a catalyst to boost the explosive reaction, but my chemistry doesn't stretch quite that far.

Gas attacks with it are possible, but it is fearsomely expensive stuff, and you'd probably need quite a bit (ref Tokyo subway attacks).
Posted by: Lux || 04/06/2004 15:21 Comments || Top||

#11  Coming soon to a subway near you--courtesy of the Bush Administration
Posted by: Not Mike Moore || 04/07/2004 0:10 Comments || Top||

#12  NMM, I live in Fort Wayne. The nearest subway is in Chicago. BTW, what did the Bush administration have to do with the gas attack in the Tokyo subway? I thought that was a bunch of millennium kooks.
Posted by: Super Hose || 04/07/2004 0:26 Comments || Top||


Europe
Muslim Groups in UK and Germany Denounce Terrorism
A recent message issued by the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) .... urged the United Kingdom’s approximately two million Muslims "to observe utmost vigilance against any mischievous or criminal elements from infiltrating the community and provoking any unlawful activity." It asked them to cooperate with local police in dealing with any criminal activity. "The response has been overwhelmingly positive, actually," Inayat Bunglawala of the MCB told RFE/RL [Radio Free Europe / Radio Liberty]. "They are delighted that we have put clear blue water between the mainstream Muslim community and that very vocal -- but also extremely tiny -- group of radical elements who have wasted no opportunity to gloat over the events in Madrid, and even to wish a similar attack on this country." ....

Germany’s two largest Islamic groups yesterday also issued a rejection of "terror and violence." Germany’s Islamic Council and the Central Council of Muslims in Germany issued a joint statement condemning "every form of terrorism" in response to the Madrid bombings, which killed 191 people. Ali Kizilkaya, chairman of the Islamic Council, told Reuters the joint statement was partly spurred by urgings to do so. German Interior Minister Otto Schily told a German newspaper last month he expects more from Germany’s 3 million Muslims. He said "Muslims cannot just be passive onlookers. They must also campaign for peace in society." The timing of its message was right, according to Bunglawala. He said the British public was angered by the actions of some 20 followers of the extremist Al-Muhajiroun group, who on 2 April held a demonstration in which they burned a British flag and chanted "Bin Laden Is Coming."

"Such actions have really exasperated and disgusted the Muslim community because it has reawakened this feeling of Islam phobia, which is never far from the surface, and it led to a lot of attacks on the Muslim community and their institutions -- even their cemeteries -- in this country," Bunglawala said. He said this is why the MCB’s statement also urged Muslims to engage with the media to refute misconceptions about Islam and to develop contacts with other faith communities. This is exactly the opposite of what the extremists are trying to do, according to Bunglawala. .... Bunglawala said he is proud that two of Britain’s most extremist Muslim preachers -- Abu Hamza and Omar Bakri -- came out in opposition to the Muslim Council’s statement. "That only confirms to us the wisdom of what we did, because if we are opposed by the likes of Abu Hamza and Omar Bakri, it is a position that we want, actually," Bunglawala said. "If they approved of what we were doing, we would be worried." .....
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 04/06/2004 7:20:19 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Any word from CAIR on our side of the pond?

I guess we know where they stand (as if we didn't already...).
Posted by: CrazyFool || 04/06/2004 21:34 Comments || Top||


Dynamite theft unsettles Norway
Just freaking great.
Thieves have stolen 660kg (1400lb) of dynamite from an unstaffed storage depot in Norway, say police. Around 5,000 detonators were also stolen, raising fears of a terrorist attack, officials told state radio. The missing dynamite was more than six times the amount used for the bomb attacks on trains in Madrid nearly a month ago. Last May, a taped message attributed to al-Qaeda's second-in-command urged Muslim militants to hit Norway. In the message, a man identified as al-Qaeda deputy leader Ayman al-Zawahri advocated attacks on the embassies and interests of the United States, Britain, Australia and Norway, to drive them from Muslim countries. The NRK state radio network reported that the storage depot, on the outskirts of the remote town of Gol, had a fence and heavy doors - but no alarm system.
Somebody break out the Cluebat.
Explosives depots in Norway are generally built far from populated areas, for safety reasons. Police could not identify any suspects or motive for the theft, nor could they establish when it happened. The theft was discovered Wednesday - six days after the depot was last inspected.
Bet the thieves were watching and knew the schedule, grabbed the explosive right after the last check.
Odd Ropstadt, from the Civil Protection and Emergency Planning agency, said 660kg of dynamite was "more than enough to create all the terror someone might desire". "Explosives are something that terrorists will always be looking for," he said. "In Norway, we have been very naive when it comes to explosives. We have to prepare for a different future."
If you want to have a future, yes.
Posted by: Steve || 04/06/2004 9:23:30 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Norway...the Home of Alfred Nobel, and the Nobel Prizes named after the the man that invented dynamite...peace be upon his soul.
Posted by: john || 04/06/2004 9:59 Comments || Top||

#2  5,000 detonators were also stolen

Yep. That's the worrisome part.
Posted by: Odd Ropstadt || 04/06/2004 9:59 Comments || Top||

#3  Standard practice is to store detonators (blasting caps) in a separate magazine from the explosive, so the perps hit two magazines. 660 kg will shoot quite a bit of rock, from my experience. For terrorist use, don't even want to think about it. This is a real worrysome development for Norway.
Posted by: Alaska Paul on the Road || 04/06/2004 10:32 Comments || Top||

#4  My guess is it has already gone on the ferry across to the UK. Cars from Norway wouldn't face much scrutiny.
Posted by: Phil B || 04/06/2004 11:07 Comments || Top||

#5  Phil B - I think the target would be more likely to be in Norway itself. Last May al Zawahri threatened Norway explicitly - alongside the US, Britain and Australia. I don't think anyone's figured out quite why yet, though...

It's perhaps not an obvious route to smuggle terrorist equipment - Norway-UK - but it still wouldn't be worth the risk of trying, IMO. Unless you wanted to blow the boat.
Posted by: Bulldog || 04/06/2004 11:37 Comments || Top||

#6  BD - ""I don't think anyone's figured out quite why yet, though..."
Cuz they're weak.

I started to write a condensed lesson for a certain someone about how Islamists think, extrapolated directly from actual actions - leaving out our Western Order of the Garter notions of chivalry / fair play, ClueBat cause => effect, and Socratic musings. Pure Aristotelian empirical analysis.

This is a snippet from the first draft of that un-posted bit. Please feel free to edit/critique/salt to taste:

They do not reason like a Westerner. They do what they do to intimidate - to terrorize. They believe they have all eternity to do the job of bringing the entire world under Islamic Dominion. They cull the weak from the herd and proceed to take them down. Pure predatory tactics. Any message we may think they send is irrelevant - that's Western logic. They don't care if they alarm targets and put them on guard. That is terrorism. Those perceived as weak will be attacked. Period, full stop. They are working everywhere simultaneously. They are fragmented in geography, but united in purpose. Their primary vulnerability is that most of their funding comes from a tiny little strip of land...

Lol!
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 12:01 Comments || Top||

#7  So, how difficult would it be to spot Islamic terrorists in Norway?
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 04/06/2004 12:41 Comments || Top||

#8  Nice .com. And totally true.

But you left out that it's mostly about sex. No, really. (And since I'm a female, I can say this--if you did, people might think you were weird. So, here goes.)

The fact is, the Islamotwerps CANNOT develop meaningful relationships with women, because of what they believe and because of how they're raised, and because of their personal choices. Not to be crass, but they can't actualize their "equipment" in the context God intended, and thus, cannot actualize their true masculinity. So, they just don't feel like "real men" unless they are destroying things with "big explosions." (sorry) These guys have gigantic inferiority complexes, and not much else. In other words, nothing in the pants, plus nothing in the brains or soul, equals a kind of "death" (for them)--and they want to take everybody else with them (except the other guys that share their particular "dilemma." ) They're pathetic. I mean, look what they do with women when they get them.

The WOT is definitely a contest of wills. I say we let them see what good men do, and why.
Posted by: ex-lib || 04/06/2004 12:56 Comments || Top||

#9  Lol, ex-lib - that's a perspective I've only guessed at, prior to your post!

3 little asides...
1) I knew 2 Saudis who traveled extensively. They drove their peers crazy with their stories of conquests and (alleged) "girlfriends" all over the globe.

2) I knew an American woman who was being pursued by a Kuwaiti - and warned her to be very careful. She wasn't and married him - that was more than 6 years ago. Neither I nor another close friend of hers I know well has heard anything from her since - and that includes both snail mail and email.

3) The only "NO! Absolutley NOT!" I ever told may daughter (now 25) was when she asked me about dating a Muslim in HS. She listened. I still hear from her -- when she needs money.
;-)
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 13:09 Comments || Top||

#10  Their penchant for gun sex didn't tip you off?
Posted by: Fred || 04/06/2004 14:34 Comments || Top||

#11  Ex-Lib, thanks for the insight.

.com, good call.
Posted by: Jarhead || 04/06/2004 14:45 Comments || Top||

#12  All the good stuff's been said, but I do need to make one correction: Dynamite was invented by Alfred Nobel, but he was a SWEDE, born in Stockholm, not a Norweigan.

I think the Muslims just made a big mistake. I spent a few days in Norway during a NATO exercise in 1987. These are NOT people to get angry with you. I'm sure a few young Muslims will learn firsthand how difficult it is to swim in some of those picturesque Norweigan fjiords, especially in November through April...
Posted by: Old Patriot || 04/06/2004 15:17 Comments || Top||

#13  Norway...the Home of Alfred Nobel, and the Nobel Prizes named after the the man that invented dynamite...peace be upon his soul.

Dynamite was invented by Alfred Nobel, but he was a SWEDE, born in Stockholm, not a Norweigan.

Who grew up in Russia and then studied chemistry and engineering in France and America. The prizes are awarded in Oslo and that is about all they have to do with it.

Scandinavia is quite possibly in line for a wake up call. If you've ever studied Nordic resistance to the Nazis (especially the Danes', whom Churchill called a model for any country, large or small) then you most definitely DO NOT want to be some al Qaeda wanker caught bombing them. Once roused, Vikings can be some pretty tough customers.

Posted by: Zenster || 04/06/2004 16:00 Comments || Top||

#14  The wake up calls are going to be sent, country by country in Scandanavia and the EU. Perhaps they will react with anger and resolve, perhaps they will react with fear and appeasement. I would hope that these other targets learn from the Spanish situation, whose terrorists are continuing to make "sea of fire" threats.
Posted by: remote man || 04/06/2004 16:30 Comments || Top||

#15  ... perhaps they will react with fear and appeasement.

Don't bet the farm on that. You must not know too many Scandahoovians.

Posted by: Zenster || 04/06/2004 17:30 Comments || Top||

#16  "Not to be crass, but they can't actualize their "equipment" in the context God intended, and thus, cannot actualize their true masculinity."

Could you perhaps be a little more... crass about this (for strictly educational purposes, of course)? I'm having trouble visualizing this "actualizing" thing.

Are you saying they're hung like chipmunks?
Posted by: Dave D. || 04/06/2004 17:38 Comments || Top||

#17  when a woman like ex-lib gives em the bizness, I bet it's less than that....
Posted by: Frank G || 04/06/2004 17:44 Comments || Top||

#18  Dave D. For educational purposes only (as per your request):

I'm not saying the Islamotwerps can't get a "hard-on," or that they come in size "small" only. (I really wouldn't know about that.) But heck, a parakeet can get a hard-on, technically speaking, and isn't it about "mileage" rather than size, anyway? (At least, that's a female perspective.) What I am saying is that the way the Islamotwerps handle their sexuality (oops, no pun intended--heh-heh) is very far outside the greater context of pro-social, legitimate, honest, respectful relationships with females. At the risk of sounding dramatic, it's the "true love" ideal/value of Western society that they haven't go a clue about, and also would like to see destroyed--i.e., the kind of love based on the mutual honoring of one another and commiting to the whole personhood of one's mate. It's totally beyond them. Women, as seen by the Islamotwerps, are merely personal "property"--women serve only as superior tools for masturbation, or as baby-making machines kept around to heighten their false sense of "glory," (and that's only when they can attract a female, or have been fortunate enough to have been provided an arranged "marriage.")

Islamotwerps are actually VERY threatened by the masculinity of our guys, and they desperately want to prove they're better, "bigger," blah, blah, blah. (That's one reason they chose to blow up the towers. The towers symbolized the very essense of the threat they perceive.) Look at our society, in general. Our guys are doing good things a lot more often with who they are. Our guys are successful. Our guys, again, in general, work their butts off for their families, or work to build a better life for themselves in a useful way, or work to serve their country. You don't see that over there. Nope. All they can think of to do is to try and destroy what good men, who do know how to do something positive with their God-given drives, have built and created in the world. They're a bunch of cowards.

That's what I meant when I said the WOT is definitely a contest of wills. It's either going to be their side's version of "masculinity" that rules the day in the final outcome, or ours. (side note: another of the reasons I stay anonymous on this site--certain feminist whackos out there would really like to kill me about now.)

Anyway, as for being hung like chipmunks--my personal opinion is that the chipmunks probably got 'em beat.

Islamic Fundamentalism = the World's Largest Organization for Failed Masculinity.

Okay, I'm hopping off my soapbox now (you know--the one I keep tucked under my desk, so it's always ready at a moment's notice).
Posted by: ex-lib || 04/06/2004 19:21 Comments || Top||

#19  ex-lib:

Well, that wasn't crass, but it'll do. I guess the bottom line is, in a society as brutal and primative as theirs, there probably isn't anything that we would find even remotely resembling what we think of as a "relationship" between a man and a woman. Truly, it is sick-puppy land.

Regarding Arabs and sex:

Just before my youngest son went off to Iraq, I gave him a fatherly talking-to.

ME: "Jon, before you go, I gotta tell you: just stay the hell away from the women over there. You fool around with an Arab woman, you're likely to have a dozen brothers all coming after you with knives. 'Honor' and all that, you know."

SON:"Don't worry, Dad, that's already been taken care of."

ME: "Huh? How's that?"

SON:"I don't wanna talk about it."

ME: "Since when do you not want to talk about sex??? You're ALWAYS talking about sex and women."

SON:"We got a briefing about their sexual practices."

ME: "Whoa! Neat, I gotta hear this! What'd they tell you?"

SON:"I don't want to talk about it."

ME: "Why, for cryin' out loud?"

SON:"It's too disgusting."

...and to this day, I still don't have the slightest idea what he was talking about. But it's GOT to be bad, if my kid won't talk about it!
Posted by: Dave D. || 04/06/2004 20:22 Comments || Top||

#20  Bulldog there is a car ferry from Bergen to Newcastle. Its really hard to stop smuggling stuff hidden in vehicles. The IRA regularly smuggled explosives using car ferries from Ireland.

I know in the UK it is next to impossible to get your hands on commercial explosives. So smuggling them in is the logical solution.
Posted by: Phil B || 04/06/2004 20:24 Comments || Top||

#21  Via Bjorn Staerk:

Not long after M11, Prime Minister Bondevik said that for Norway to leave Iraq in June along with the Spaniards would send the wrong signal to the terrorists. Now he seems to have changed his mind. Foreign Minister Jan Petersen says today that Norway will likely leave Iraq within a few months, and prioritize efforts in other countries.

Posted by: Anonymous2U || 04/06/2004 20:49 Comments || Top||

#22  Ex-lib You're very amusing--you must be one of the many fat chicks used and discarded by the Arab exchange students(none of the American guys wanted the fat chicks) when it came time to go home and now have an axe to grind--blanket statements about an entire ethnic group are ridiculous and show your ignorance--and probably disappointment at being dumped
Posted by: Not Mike Moore || 04/07/2004 1:01 Comments || Top||

#23  NMM - Haven't you offed yourself, yet? You shave every morning, right? Hey, it's easy. Just a take a good look at the asswipe in the mirror and let 'er rip, dood. The whole world will feel better. You won't miss a thing and nothing will miss you. A Universe in Perfect Balance.
Posted by: .com || 04/07/2004 1:26 Comments || Top||

#24  From and old Mark Steyn column:

Five days before 9/11, the Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet reported that 65% of the country's rapes were committed by "non-Western" immigrants -- a category which, in Norway, is almost wholly Muslim. A professor at the University of Oslo explained that one reason for the disproportionate Muslim share of the rape market was that in their native lands "rape is scarcely punished" because it is generally believed that "it is women who are responsible for rape."

So Muslim immigrants to Norway should be made aware that things are a little different in Scandinavia? Not at all! Rather, the professor insisted, "Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for these rapes" because their manner of dress would be regarded by Muslim men as inappropriate. "Norwegian women must realize that we live in a multicultural society and adapt themselves to it." Or to modify Queen Victoria's wedding-night advice to her daughter: Lie back and think of Yemen.
...
Denmark? "Three quarters of rapes are carried out by non-Danes," says Peter Skaarup, chairman of the People's Party, a member of the governing coalition.

Muslims are only 4 percent of Denmark's 5.4 million people (immigrants from Third World countries and their descendants, which it reports makes up 5% of the population; and it is known that Muslims make up four-fifths of this element.)
...
On this "Islam is peace" business, Bassam Tibi, a Muslim professor at Goettingen University in Germany, gave a helpful speech a few months back: "Both sides should acknowledge candidly that although they might use identical terms these mean different things to each of them," he said. "The word 'peace,' for example, implies to a Muslim the extension of the Dar al-Islam -- or 'House of Islam' -- to the entire world. This is completely different from the Enlightenment concept of eternal peace that dominates Western thought." Only when the entire world is a Dar al-Islam will it be a Dar a-Salam, or "House of Peace."
Posted by: ed || 04/07/2004 3:41 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
Marine killed in Iraq believed in cause, says his dad
Posted by: Dragon Fly || 04/06/2004 10:36 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I've said it before and I'll say it again. How can we lose with men such as these defending us and defending freedom? May he rest in peace and may his family find some comfort in the thanks of a grateful nation.
Posted by: Tibor || 04/06/2004 11:09 Comments || Top||

#2  'I want you to know that I am right with God and everything will be OK.' Very prophetic, I would have that put on his headstone. Ditto to what Tibor said!


Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 04/06/2004 11:19 Comments || Top||

#3  Very touching. Thanks for posting the link to this article.
Posted by: Broken Masterpieces || 04/06/2004 11:46 Comments || Top||

#4  If there is a manifestation of what is good in our world, this kid is it. There are so many like him over there working their tails off to move Iraq out of the dark ages. Tibor is exactly right. We will not lose with such men and women on our side.

What a contrast to the chest thumping seethers they fight against. Just a quiet sense of purpose and honor. My prayers and my thanks go out to his family.
Posted by: remote man || 04/06/2004 12:17 Comments || Top||

#5  "He had a respect for duty," his father said. "What he believed was right, he did. And he didn't quit until it was done to his standards."

Thank you Geoffrey Morris. (ancient meaning of the name "Geoffrey" = bright shield)
Posted by: ex-lib || 04/06/2004 12:21 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
MILF harboring JI members, Abu Sayyaf supremo
A renegade faction of the Philippines' main Muslim separatist movement is harbouring about 30 Jemaah Islamiah militants as well as the leader of the local extremist group Abu Sayyaf, the Philippine defence chief said yesterday. Despite this, Defence Secretary Eduardo Ermita said senior commanders and political leaders of the Moro Islamic Liberation Front, which has resumed negotiations on ending a nearly 30-year-old insurgency, may not be aware of the situation. 'We are made to believe that their stay in the area is somehow being tolerated by the local MILF commanders (and) not necessarily known by the higher-ups involved in the peace negotiations,' Mr Ermita said. The foreign militants and Khadaffy Janjalani, leader of the Al-Qaeda-linked Abu Sayyaf, are believed to be hiding in MILF camps in Lanao del Norte and Lanao del Sur provinces, where separatists have trained in bomb-making and military tactics, he said.

The government has stepped up its crackdown on Muslim militants following the arrests last week of six Abu Sayyaf suspects accused of plotting to bomb targets in Manila with 36kg of TNT. According to police, all six have trained with JI militants on southern Mindanao island. The MILF has repeatedly denied harbouring militants. 'There is no truth to that. He (Mr Ermita) cannot name names, he cannot say who are the commanders coddling the JI,' rebel spokesman Eid Kabalu said. Kabalu said all field commanders were under the control of the MILF leadership, and denied that any of them had taken matters into their own hands. Mr Ermita refused to disclose the number or the leaders of the renegade faction and hinted at a split within the rebel movement.
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Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Iran Vows to Show It’s Not Building Nukes
By GEORGE JAHN, Associated Press Writer

TEHRAN, Iran - Iran promised to prove by mid-May that it doesn’t want to build nuclear weapons, the chief U.N. nuclear inspector said Tuesday.

Mohamed ElBaradei, head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, said Iranian leaders assured him they know they must cooperate with the Vienna-based nuclear watchdog. The international community has become increasingly suspicious that Tehran is hiding evidence about its nuclear program.

"We agreed that we need to accelerate the process of cooperation," ElBaradei said.

Gholamreza Aghazadeh, head of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran, said at a news conference with ElBaradei that the country would voluntarily suspend its centrifuge work starting Friday.

Mere "suspension" of centrifuge construction is no longer adequate. After polonium traces were found, "dismantling" is the only operative term that should remotely prevent military action against either Iran’s government or their nuclear facilities, in that order.

Egyptian citizen, Mohamed ElBaradei, has yet to even mention his own country’s covert nuclear weapons program. He is not to be trusted with managing the passivation of any other Mid-East nation’s nuclear efforts until he cleans his own house.


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Terror Networks
Alleged al-Qaida Tape Claims Iraq Attacks
A man claiming to be a senior al-Qaida figure that the United States believes is operating in Iraq has released a tape calling for the country’s Sunni Muslims to fight Shiites and claiming responsibility for high-profile attacks there. The 33-minute audiotape appeared Tuesday on a Web site known as a clearinghouse for militant Islamic messages. The speaker introduced himself as Musab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian also known as Ahmed al-Khalayleh who is thought to be a close associate of Osama bin Laden. It was the first tape of any kind attributed to him to be made public.
Except for one or two previous tapes...
Terrorism experts say that even when such statements cannot be traced to al-Qaida, they serve the group’s cause by inspiring sympathizers. Al-Zarqawi’s whereabouts are unknown, but the Web site on which the tape appeared had a transcript heading that said al-Zarqawi was in Iraq. The tape appeared hours before a Jordanian court convicted al-Zarqawi in absentia and sentenced him to death for the 2002 killing of a U.S. aid official in a terror conspiracy linked to al-Qaida. A statement circulating in Iraq and signed by anti-U.S. groups last month claimed al-Zarqawi was killed earlier by American bombs in northern Iraq. A senior U.S. official denied the report of al-Zarqawi’s death. The speaker on the tape claimed responsibility for a March 17 car bombing of a Baghdad hotel that killed seven people. The reference to the car bombing was an indication the tape was made recently. The speaker also said that his group carried out the assassination of Ayatollah Mohammad Baqr al-Hakim, the leader of Iraq’s largest Shiite party, the Supreme Council of the Islamic Revolution in Iraq. Al-Hakim was killed by a car bomb in Iraq on Aug. 29. Al-Hakim’s brother, Abdel Aziz al-Hakim, has said al-Qaida was behind that assassination to try to ignite sectarian conflict. The speaker also threatened to kill Gen. John Abizaid, head of the Central Command; L. Paul Bremer, the top U.S. administrator in Iraq; and ``their generals, soldiers and associates.’’ One theme of the tape echoed that of a letter U.S. authorities released earlier this year in which al-Zarqawi purportedly wrote to other al-Qaida leaders that the best way to undermine U.S. policy in Iraq was to turn the country’s religious communities against each other. Iraq’s Shiite majority was suppressed under toppled Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein, who favored his own Sunni community. Saddam loyalists in heavily Sunni parts of the country and foreign fighters have been blamed for the bulk of attacks against U.S.-led forces in Iraq. On the tape, the speaker said Shiite Iraqis were not true Muslims and were ``the ears and the eyes of the Americans’’ in Iraq. He called upon Sunni Muslims in Iraq to ``burn the earth under the occupiers’ feet.’’
Posted by: Evert Visser in NL || 04/06/2004 3:00:29 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Suitcase Nukes - a primer
EFL from Tech Central’s Ralph Kinney Bennett. Posted because as an unclassified confirmation of some previous RB discussions about the unlikelihood of an Islamo-nuke working effectively for a terrorist organization.


... The big question is the shelf-life and availability of nuclear artillery shells. The U.S. shells are apparently accounted for and secure. Whether all the Soviet era mini-warheads can be accounted for is another story.

The shelf-life issue is important. If there is a nuclear munition or more than one "out there," its condition could be in question. A nuclear weapon involves the melding of a variety of materials in close proximity -- metals, plastics, ceramics, exotic high explosives and, of course plutonium and uranium. Things happen inside a nuclear weapon even when it is just sitting. The plutonium core gives off quite a bit of heat. This will warm the other parts of the weapon up to as much as 100 degrees Fahrenheit. Uranium "rusts" in much the same manner as steel when exposed to the air. And even though warheads are sealed in airtight metal containers, the materials inside -- the explosives and plastic, for instance -- give off trace amounts of oxygen, hydrogen and water vapor that can eventually cause oxidation and corrosion, both of which are abetted by the weapon’s intrinsic heat. The high explosives in the detonating "lenses" of a weapon also have been known to deteriorate.

So, unless the purloined (or purchased) warhead was regularly monitored and, if necessary, refurbished by experts it might become dangerously unstable or perhaps not work at all. It’s conceivable that the conventional explosives might detonate incompletely and that the nuclear core might be scattered rather than being "assembled" to cause a nuclear explosion. Thus a "dirty bomb" incident, spreading radioactive material, would be the result.

Of course a nuclear weapon gives off a significant signature in the form of both gamma rays and neutrons. A huge effort is being made to employ a variety of gamma and neutron spectrometry devices at ports of entry and the perimeters of potential targets. But these devices (and more sophisticated ones are now being worked on at the national laboratories) are not foolproof. Distance, shielding of various types (tungsten, lead, steel of a given thickness) and the problem of false positives and false negatives are some of the challenges now being wrestled with by detection experts.

In the end, an atomic bomb in a suitcase is really just a metaphor, not only for the portability of nuclear weapons but for the new and ominous possibility of who might be carrying them. The fictional tweedy professor who terrorized London in "Seven Days to Noon" was a misguided idealist with a bomb in a satchel. Those who now seek to terrorize the West and particularly the United States are hate-filled killers who have glorified suicide as a virtue and are bending every effort to secure and use "the bomb," be it in a suitcase, a packing crate, a car or whatever will surreptitiously deliver it to target. "If" is not the question. Where and when are.

The article is a good one. This serves as unclassified confirmation that shelf life and maintenance would be the stoppers preventing amateurs from venturing into proliferation. Al Zawahiri’s story appears to be bravado.

Posted by: Super Hose || 04/06/2004 2:14:51 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  ....2o years ago, Jim Dunnigan (the man who now runs StrategyPage.com) called this "the suitcase from Allah."
Mr. Bennett's article is dead solid on the money. Short of purchasing a brand new weapon right off the assembly line and maintaining it to US standards, all they have is a very expensive doorstop. The possibility of using it as a dirty bomb is a real one - but having served on a decon team that prepared for accidents involving weapons hundreds of times more powerful, believe me - decon will be comparatively easy. He's also off on his comments about US weapon sizes, but that's a moot point.
Now, one other comment, regarding Mr Bennett's thoughts on smuggling a weapon into the US - if it was possible, why hasn't it been done?

"I can say no more."

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 04/06/2004 13:46 Comments || Top||

#2  How many did ya bring thru Mike K. ?
Posted by: Shipman || 04/06/2004 16:30 Comments || Top||

#3  Ship-
Actually, the point I was making is that it's damned near impossible - not completely, but close enough to it that we can be reasonably safe. We'll always have to be vigilant, but the chances are small at best.

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 04/06/2004 23:41 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
26 Iraqis Die in U.S. Strike on Fallujah
U.S. warplanes firing rockets destroyed four houses in the besieged city of Fallujah late Tuesday, witnesses said. A doctor said 26 Iraqis, including women and children, were killed and 30 wounded in the strike. U.S. Marines have been battling Iraqi guerrillas since Monday in a siege aimed at putting down Iraqi guerrillas in Fallujah, one of their main strongholds. The rockets destroyed the houses in two neighborhoods in the city after nightfall Tuesday, the witnesses said. Rafie al-Issawi, a doctor at Fallujah General Hospital, said the hospital received the bodies of 26 dead along with 30 wounded soon after. He said their wounds suggested they had been in the destroyed houses. The deaths bring the total death toll among Iraqis in Fallujah on Tuesday to 34, including eight during heavy street fighting during the day.
Posted by: Fred || 04/06/2004 9:55:41 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  well, boo friggin' hoo
Posted by: Frank G || 04/06/2004 22:20 Comments || Top||

#2  34! Thats all? When the population realises that hanging tough with the dead enders is a kiss of death, hearts and minds might change.
Posted by: Lucky || 04/06/2004 22:31 Comments || Top||

#3  Okay, Fred, it's a start, but I still see video footage of well armed men, with AK's and RPG's parading here and there, laughing and seen smiling if they don't have a mask covering their face...these are the guys that have to be engaged and taken out on short order, meaning immediately.

They should not be allowed to congregate in the first place, or we end up with battles like Ramdai.

Not to get political, but an entirely different past year may have been painted had Gardner rather than Bremmer stayed on. In retrospect, Bremmer's decision to disband the Iraqi Army may prove to be the overall crucial bad decision.

Plus not killing Sadr some 8 plus months ago...
Posted by: Traveller || 04/06/2004 22:31 Comments || Top||

#4  A good MOAB would change a few hearts and minds.
Posted by: JackAssFestival || 04/06/2004 22:38 Comments || Top||

#5  26 dead, so far. Let's see... 4 civilians murdered and mutilated, six times as many struck down in retaliation. How cute are you now, Fallujah? Are you celebrating? Dancing that faggy arab dance in the streets? You don't have to answer that; we'll talk again when it's 260 dead Iraqis. We haven't even begun to play with you satan-worshipping moon-cultists.
Posted by: BH || 04/06/2004 22:42 Comments || Top||

#6  Maybe no a MOAB, but a couple of Hellfires poped at armed gatherings might convince folks that the hard boyz ain't healthy to be around.
Posted by: mojo || 04/06/2004 22:43 Comments || Top||

#7  BH - Lol! "Dancing that faggy arab dance..."

It would almost be worth the RT airfare to fly you over to Manama, Bahrain, and take you to the StarLite Club in the Gulf Hotel -- just to watch you -- watching them. I can just see your eyes rolling slowly upward and the steam coming off your head, now! *wham* Fucking dead Saudis all over the place, Lol!
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 22:50 Comments || Top||

#8  Good points Trav, but thats old news now. Would have been nice to have turned some General or two with promises of "your our guy and those palaces are your new digs".

I once thought that the WoT wasn't going to be won by fighting it out in Iraq. But now I think, MAYBE, that could be true. How to pull Iran into this conflict so as to galvinise American opinion against Iran and their meddling.

But I still think without the toppling of the mullahs we're in a thirty years war with mass death as the price to pay.
Posted by: Lucky || 04/06/2004 22:50 Comments || Top||

#9  Well, Exactly, Lucky. I know that it is old news but the de-Bathification as the reason disbanding the Iraqi army seemed odd to me then, and seems to be biting us the butt now...the point was to keep them employed and maybe hence a little loyal to their new paymasters...but also, General Patton like with his De-Nazifacation, a realistic apparaisal that, We may need them later.

Be that as it may, I was hoping against hope that Iraq would help avoid the "Big Killing," to come...but now is maybe our last crucial chance to nip this in the bud.

26 dead in Fallujah ain't going to do it. The world may scream, but a headline like, "10,000 Dead in Fallujah, and oddly, all were males between the ages of 15 and 40....." is what I want to see.

If we are not careful, we just may end up being booted out of Iraq even before June 30.

Posted by: Traveller || 04/06/2004 23:07 Comments || Top||

#10  If the army hadn't been disbanded, and some Baath loyalist in it had decided to pull what we're seeing this week, it would have been with a hell of a lot more organization, training, and supplies. And a lot of that would have come from US. They also would have had a lot of credibility, due to continuity from the previous regime and, well, having an army we kept running behind them.

As it is, they're criminals rebelling against the acknowledged government of Iraq. They may have supplies, and some of them may have training, but there probably won't be as many people running to join them.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 04/06/2004 23:22 Comments || Top||

#11  Well Robert, I am sure that those were all factors in Bremmer's mind...(actually, I cannot blame Bremmer for this at all. He was specifically, and maybe against his judgment, ordered by Washington to disband the Iraqi Army).
Posted by: Traveller || 04/06/2004 23:33 Comments || Top||


Al-Sadr Supporters Surround Polish Camp
Supporters of radical Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr ringed the Polish-led military force's headquarters south of Baghdad for several hours Tuesday before withdrawing peacefully, Polish media reported. Some 150 cars surrounded Camp Bablyon, the headquarters of the 9,500-strong force and remained there. No shots were exchanged, Polish news reports said. Polish Defense Minister Jerzy Szmajdzinski said the incident was a demonstration of power. "There were 150 cars around the base full of al-Sadr supporters," Szmajdzinski told the TVN television. "Al-Sadr decided to show to the world and the Iraqis that he exists."
Hopefully prior to being extinguished...
The show of force came as U.S. authorities launched a crackdown on al-Sadr and his militia after a series of weekend uprisings in Baghdad and cities and towns to the south that took a heavy toll in both American and Iraqi lives. The fighting marks the first major outbreak of violence between the U.S.-led occupation force and the Shiites since Baghdad fell a year ago. The Polish news agency PAP said residents of villages near the camp left their homes, but that the demonstrators withdrew after a few hours from around the camp near the city of Hillah, 60 miles south of Baghdad. Polish military officials could not immediately be reached for comment. Earlier Tuesday, two Polish and three Bulgarian soldiers were wounded in a shootout near the Iraq city of Karbala, a Polish military spokesman said. Gnatowski said the military was investigating whether the ambush was connected with supporters of al-Sadr.
Posted by: Fred || 04/06/2004 9:51:39 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  He needs to be deceased radical Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr
Posted by: Cheddarhead || 04/06/2004 22:17 Comments || Top||

#2  Not a warning but a provocatation. If, like Spain, Poland reacts weekkneed they will be chased out. If current thought is correct, and I think it is. What a bunch of snakes.

Please hit hard 43. Get this into an endgame soon.
Posted by: Lucky || 04/06/2004 22:39 Comments || Top||

#3  One bad Marine is not worth 500,000 of these cockroaches. Warn e'm....give 'em 1 hour to surrender...and flush 'em with MOABs, 2000lb, 500lb bombs.

let the pigs and dogs eat the carcases.
Posted by: anymouse || 04/06/2004 22:39 Comments || Top||

#4  The Poles are not cowards, they will not run.
Posted by: Frank Martin || 04/06/2004 23:00 Comments || Top||

#5  It would have been better if the Poles had warned the crowd to disperse immediately with in 5 minutes, and then slaughtered them all at 5 minutes + 1 second. It wouldn't be their fault that al Sadr's goons didn't understand a word of Polish.
Posted by: Super Hose || 04/07/2004 0:40 Comments || Top||

#6  I do not understand them just sitting there. Period.
Posted by: .com || 04/07/2004 0:46 Comments || Top||

#7  Something about firing the first shot maybe?
Posted by: Rafael || 04/07/2004 0:57 Comments || Top||


Caucasus
Russian Official Hurt in Georgia Blast
The commander of Russian forces in the former Soviet republic of Georgia was injured in a bomb blast Tuesday night. Gen. Alexander Studenikin was taken to a hospital with injuries that were not believed to be life-threatening, Georgian deputy prosecutor Kakha Koberidze said. Koberidze said the blast occurred as the general was walking to his home from the Russian troops' headquarters in the capital Tbilisi, on territory under Russian control. He said preliminary information indicated it was set off by remote. The Russian Defense Ministry confirmed Studenikin was injured in an explosion, the ITAR-Tass news agency reported. a ministry spokesman could not be reached for comment late Tuesday. Russia maintains two bases and about 5,000 troops in Georgia as holdovers from the Soviet era when the Caucasus republic was a key element in the Kremlin's military strategy. It has about 150 tanks, 240 armored vehicles and 140 artillery pieces on the bases.
Posted by: Fred || 04/06/2004 9:46:50 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Iraq-Jordan
A soldier assures us: Our progress is amazing (we need this right now!)
By JOE ROCHE
I’m a soldier with the U.S. Army serving in the 16th Combat Engineer Battalion in Baghdad.

The news you are hearing stateside is awfully depressing and negative. The reality is we are accomplishing a tremendous amount here, and the Iraqi people are not only benefiting greatly, but are enthusiastically supportive.

My job is mostly to be the driver of my platoon’s lead Humvee. I see the missions our Army is performing, and I interact closely with the Iraqi people. Because of this, I know how successful and important our work is.

My battalion carries out dozens of missions all over the city — missions that are improving people’s lives. We have restored schools and universities, hospitals, power plants and water systems. We have engineered new infrastructure projects and much more. We have also brought security and order to many of Baghdad’s worst areas — areas once afflicted with chaos and brutality.

Our efforts to train vast numbers of Iraqis to police and secure the city’s basic law and order are bearing fruit.

Our mission is vital. We are transforming a once very sick society into a hopeful place. Dozens of newspapers and the concepts of freedom of religious worship and expression are flowering. So, too, are educational improvements.

This is the work of the U.S. military. Our progress is amazing. Many people who knew only repression and terror now have hope in their heart and prosperity in their grasp. Every day the Iraqi people stream into the streets to cheer and wave at us as we drive by. When I’m on a foot patrol, walking among a crowd, countless people thank us — repeatedly.

I realize the shocking image of a dead soldier or a burning car is more salable than boring, detailed accounts of our rebuilding efforts. This is why you hear bad news and may be receiving an incorrect picture.

Baghdad has more than 5 million inhabitants. If these people were in an uprising against the United States, which you might think is happening, we would be overwhelmed in hours. There are weapons everywhere, and though we are working hard to gather them all, we simply can’t.

Our Army is carrying out 1,700 convoys and patrols each day. Only a tiny percentage actually encounter hostile action. My unit covers some of the worst and most intense areas, and I have seen some of the most tragic attacks and hostility, such as the bombing of the United Nations headquarters.

I’m not out of touch with the negative side of things. In fact, I think my unit has it harder than many other Army units in this whole operation. That said, despite some attacks, the overall picture is one of extreme success and much thanks.

The various terrorist enemies we are facing in Iraq are really aiming at you back in the United States. This is a test of will for our country. We soldiers of yours are doing great and scoring victories in confronting the evil terrorists.

The reality is one of an ever-increasing defeat of the enemies we face. Our enemies are therefore more desperate. They are striking out more viciously and indiscriminately. I realize this is causing Americans stress, and I assure you it causes us stress, too.

When I was a civilian, I spent time as a volunteer with the Israeli army. I assure you we are not facing the hostility Israelis face. Here in Iraq, we Americans are welcomed by most Iraqis.

I’m not trying to sound like a big tough guy. I’m scared every day, and pray before every mission for our safety and success. This is a combat zone. We are in the heart of the world’s leading terrorist-birthing society. I remember well how families of suicide bombers who attacked in Israel received tens of thousands of dollars from Saddam Hussein for their kin’s horrendous crimes. A generation of Iraqis was growing up in a Stalinist worship of such terrorism.

They are no longer.

Instead, Iraqis today are embracing freedom and the birth of democracy. With this comes hope for the future.

Yes, there are terrorists who wish to strike these things down, but this is a test of will we must win. We can do this, as long as Americans at home keep faith with the soldiers in this war. We are Americans, after all. We can and must win this test. That is all it is.
Posted by: Sherry || 04/06/2004 5:59:24 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  good post Sherry
Posted by: Frank G || 04/06/2004 18:25 Comments || Top||

#2  Thanks, Joe. Thanks, Sherry.

At the risk of repetition, I think it may well be that Iraq will require a civil war to smash their slavery once and for all (in Iraq's case the totalitarian power mongers dressed up as beturbanned stone aged Islamofacist...phew), just like the USA had to go through it’s civil war, ensuring that abolition became part of the national psyche, finally and unambiguously.

God bless our soldiers...
Posted by: Hyper || 04/06/2004 19:46 Comments || Top||

#3  Thank you for your service. You and your diligent courage keep me proud to be an American.
I only hope our leaders have the same courage to do what will be necessary to win and convincingly defeat the terrorists and Islamists.
Posted by: William || 04/06/2004 20:13 Comments || Top||

#4  Joe,

Thanks so much for the post and Godspeed. A good part of your letter was read by Hugh Hewitt on his national radio talk show. It went out to a LOT of people today. You have had a great effect.

Thank you for your service to our great country.
Posted by: ColoradoConservative || 04/06/2004 23:54 Comments || Top||


Breaking - Ar Ramadi Battle described as ’Large-Scale’
Starting with the FoxNews link. Hearing reports of over 100 well-trained fighters attacking CPA site...

More as it is reported...

The Hard Push is on...

Excepts...
A defense official told Fox News that there have been "significant" U.S. deaths from the fighting in Ramadi — the official later set the figure at at least 12 U.S. casualties and at least 20 wounded. Two more coalition soldiers and at least 66 Iraqis were also reported killed Tuesday.
Let's hear more about the enemy corpse count...
Fighting was so intense that commanders went to the unit headquarters to pull people who wouldn't normally fight into the combat, military sources said. "This is not like any other firefight we've seen so far," military sources in Iraq said. "There are bullets flying all over the place."

From al-Jizz...
But reports emanating from Falluja say the occupation forces are facing stiff resistance. CNN said it appeared the attack in Ramadi had been carried out by supporters of the ousted Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and not by followers of the Shia leader Moqtada Sadr, whose fighters have been battling occupation troops in several places in Iraq.
Ramadi is Sunni country. I'd have been surprised to see a sizable Shiite presence.

From CNN...
A high-ranking military source said initial reports indicated several government buildings had been seized by fewer than 100 insurgents. The insurgents attacked a Marine position near the governor's palace. The source said as many as 20 Marines had been wounded. There also were heavy enemy casualties
I hope in the hundreds, at least...
Ramadi, about 60 miles west of Baghdad, is part of the Sunni triangle, an area north and west of the capital where much of the resistance to the U.S.-led occupation has occurred.
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 3:55:43 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Ar Ramadi - 24 miles West of Fallujah

CPA compound has been under siege for more than an hour. News source for Fox is Pentagon - not flakiy News org...
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 16:00 Comments || Top||

#2  No confirmation, yet, but eyewitness accounts say that at least 80 Iraqis are dead, several U.S. soldiers have been wounded.
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 16:06 Comments || Top||

#3  Looks like the hardboys are trying to stage their very own Tet Offensive. Ya think we should let them know how well that worked for Charlie? Me neither, we'll just show them.
Posted by: Steve || 04/06/2004 16:12 Comments || Top||

#4  looks like the army of sadr is trying to attack a compound according to fox,i think they'll be alot of buisness for the local iraqi grave diggers after all this has cooled down,we need to get an AC-130 loitering and blasting them from above,lets see if the will and might of Allan can stop that
Posted by: Shep UK || 04/06/2004 16:13 Comments || Top||

#5  They're not trying to beat our military; they're trying to beat our press and politicians. That's a hell of a lot easier job.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 04/06/2004 16:13 Comments || Top||

#6  I would think that this would be an excellent opportunity for the Apache drivers to test their accuracy.
Posted by: remote man || 04/06/2004 16:16 Comments || Top||

#7  Army of Sadr = Iranian Revolutionary Guard
Posted by: Yosemite Sam || 04/06/2004 16:22 Comments || Top||

#8  Ramadi predominantly Sunni - Sadr Shi'a, of course. Interesting. No more hard info from TV.

Fallaujah, 2 Marines injured today. Nigh there - they have pulled back out to cordon.
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 16:24 Comments || Top||

#9  Apologies for typos. Will pay attention and stop it. 8^)
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 16:25 Comments || Top||

#10  Probably too good to be true (per ar-Ramadi report) that they'd try a frontal attack, sans urban cover, human shields, concealment, etc. But who knows. More likely that Sadr's minor leaguers will do that in other locales -- let's hope.
Posted by: IceCold || 04/06/2004 16:30 Comments || Top||

#11  Tell the press to stay the hell out of the way and hose all these Jihadis. This is a golden opportunity to hammer these guys flat. Our forces spokespersons need to give the facts and be hardnosed. I hope that this operation kicks Al-Sadr's boy's asses.
Posted by: Alaska Paul on the Road || 04/06/2004 16:30 Comments || Top||

#12  Waitaminnut.

Is this Sadr's Shiite militia trying to relieve the pressure on Fallujah? Or are they just attacking a spot they thought was weak?
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 04/06/2004 16:30 Comments || Top||

#13  RC -- Fox asking same thing - opportunity or collaboration? Sunni's answering Sadr's call to arms? General uprising by hotheads of both?

I'd say it's what we were talking about a couple of days ago: This Is It. Between Fallujah attack and handover ANYTHING goes.

Common cause and attempt to stretch US thin - the next 90 days will be "lively" methinks.
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 16:36 Comments || Top||

#14  Yosemite Sam,
Now that is an interesting thought. Any ideas weather Sadr's 'army' might have come over from Iran? (Army of Sadr = Iranian Revolutionary Guard)

Are we sure they are Iraqi's? Things might get interesting of they are not really local boys.....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 04/06/2004 16:39 Comments || Top||

#15  BTW, if 80 Iraqi dead is accurate (or close) then this is both a stand-up fight (something new for the jihadis in Iraq - rare even in Afghanistan) -- and remote man may be getting his wish: it's fucking hard to kill 80 people in an hour unless they line up and, when asked:
"Cake or Death?"
They cheerfully say "Death!" and hold real still.

Apaches, of course, could add zippers / perfs to 80 guys in about 45 seconds.
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 16:40 Comments || Top||

#16  Damn! - that was supposed to be "4-5 seconds".
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 16:42 Comments || Top||

#17  MSNBC has caught on and now sez Kut also attacked.
Link
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 16:51 Comments || Top||

#18  Great "stupid reporter" line in MSNBC story:
"Officials tell NBC it was not immediately clear whether the attacks were coordinated."

2 observations:
1) f**kin duh
2) BTW, there are forces already there - it was a CPA base they attacked - thus stop portraying stories as if we're rushing to and fro meeting the jihadis. We're already there, dumbass. They open fire. They die.

Here ya go, remote man:
"In Fallujah, military officials report that a U.S. attack helicopter killed at least a dozen enemy suspects who had fired on the helicopter from a large open-bed truck. The helicopter returned fire, destroying the truck."
-MSNBC story
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 16:55 Comments || Top||

#19  Fox reporter TV saying CPA Mil Cmd sez "significant US KIA". Murat will be here soon, methinks.
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 17:01 Comments || Top||

#20  Size of US Ramadi force approx 1,000 - HQ for area.
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 17:02 Comments || Top||

#21  The officials also report that one attacker hiding in a mosque fired a rocket-propelled grenade at U.S. Marines in Fallujah. The Marines returned fire, killing the assailant.

Nice to see they're not playing that "spare the moskkk" bullshiite.

Posted by: BH || 04/06/2004 17:03 Comments || Top||

#22  Night attack...makes sense from a jihadist perspective but it plays to our advantage. Our boys own the night. Nail those f#ckers cold!
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 04/06/2004 17:03 Comments || Top||

#23  Fallujah - today 14 jihadis captured, 12 KIA.
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 17:04 Comments || Top||

#24  It sounds like a tactical intel failure...
Wretchard was right about the counter-siege tactics. Ralph Peters in today's editorial was right that we didn't hit them back fast enough or hard enough.

Liberalhawk: If you're out there, are you starting to understand the calculus of death? If we'd killed 100 scumbags on that bridge in Fallujah, would that have been a fair trade for the thousands that are going to die now?
Posted by: 11A5S || 04/06/2004 17:06 Comments || Top||

#25  BBC has this on Fallujah. Still MIA on the Ramadi / Kut fights. Note: no one has corroborated Kut action reported by NBC.
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 17:07 Comments || Top||

#26  #19 .com: Son of bitch....any other updates? I can't get to tv monitor at this point...and agree with your #13, rules are out the door. If a turban so much as farts from a mosque, flatten it.
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 04/06/2004 17:11 Comments || Top||

#27  11A5S - Ret Talking Head General on Fox says this engagement will not flare up and die - will go on for some time - days, perhaps.

This really is it. And what an opportunity to kill the asshats among them, at least in the stand-up episodes.

11A5S - I said it then and repeat it now: your statement on the "Calculus of Death" rocked. It reminded me of Lincoln when he appointed Grant because, "He understands the terrible mathematics of war. He's the man we must have." Amen. I believe that statement was made regards battles at Cold Harbor.
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 17:15 Comments || Top||

#28  Fox talking head (Congressman Duncan Hunter) now saying 1st Armored will prolly not rotate out. Fortunately they were just starting to pack - he sez he will go to Rummy / Dubya and ask that they overstay rotation schedule to max our tactical advantage with all this armor.
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 17:17 Comments || Top||

#29  Okay, now we are where I thought we wopuld be last April. Time to finish it. Hopefully, there will be no heed paid to any negotiation requests/stalling tactics by the other side.

Also, I like the way we are prominently and repeatedly saying how we are identifying the Fallujah wackos from the film and photos. Think Al-Jazeera will be so welcome at the next lynching ?

Posted by: Carl in NH || 04/06/2004 17:18 Comments || Top||

#30  Hugh Hewitt notes the best info on the fighting is here and Belmont Club - I'd have to agree
Posted by: Frank G || 04/06/2004 17:22 Comments || Top||

#31  I think Sadr may be at getting help from Iran especially after reading yesterday's Rantburg article and then seeing the amout of coordination taking place today. It seems strange that now they are fighting us head on instead of the Paleo/Israel approach? Its too professional for them to pull off like this. Wouldn't it also be in Iran's interest to get some experience against us since we have them flanked on both sides.
Posted by: Yosemite Sam || 04/06/2004 17:23 Comments || Top||

#32  Grant was a great man, dotcom. I don't think that any American has ever borne the burden that he did on his shoulders except perhaps Lincoln.

There's going to be a lot of killing these next few days. Sadr is decisive. We're going to have to kill a lot of turbans to get to him.
Posted by: 11A5S || 04/06/2004 17:24 Comments || Top||

#33  YS - Experience only counts if you live to use it :^).

I say we finish the damn job this time. We should have done it in GW I and back in 03. Give no quarter because none will be offered.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 04/06/2004 17:26 Comments || Top||

#34  Talk about a scoop - we're over 2 hrs into this and:
Instapundit - zip, zilch, nada
The Command Post - may have been first to report - they have the story, dunno if before us, but they do have it, their update. Heh.

ZERO print media (as per Google consolidated news) are on it...

CBS is lamely referring to widespread fighting - painting it in dire terms, of course, but without a single specific to back it up. Only Fallujah covg.

Marine casulaties "double digits" - now saying at least 11 US Marines KIA and 20+ wounded. They say it's contained - action occurring at Governor's palace. Now saying not sure if Sunni, Ba'athist, or Sadr Shi'a. Questioning captives now.
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 17:26 Comments || Top||

#35  btw - Duncan Hunter's my congressman - we love him out here (California!), and he's one of the best friends our fighting boyz have. Just bragging ;-)
Posted by: Frank G || 04/06/2004 17:26 Comments || Top||

#36  Sky News reports:
130 SOLDIERS KILLED IN IRAQ - REPORTS
Posted by: Anonymous4050 || 04/06/2004 17:31 Comments || Top||

#37  Sky news has just flashed up some pretty grim
casuality figures, but they do say that this report is yet to be confirmed.
Posted by: Lux || 04/06/2004 17:32 Comments || Top||

#38  Rooters is referring to the attacks obliquely. Obvious that they aren't really sure what's going on and are waiting for things to sort themselves out.
Posted by: 11A5S || 04/06/2004 17:32 Comments || Top||

#39  Agreed, 11A5S. And this is our real opportunity to do to the Sunni Triangle what Turkey's perfidy prevented. The casulaties taken now in SunTri will save 10x over the next 12 months. We just have to gut this through until it's completely pacified or crushed - their choice.
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 17:32 Comments || Top||

#40  Lux - Maybe they wish it was true, but Fox #'s direct from Pentagon / CPA Mil Cmd.

Now reporter on Fox saying they pulled people from HQ to help in Ar Ramadi fight. "Reporter's obvious take: "Typewriter to M-16 - who'da thunk it?" Well, anyone who's ever served, lady.
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 17:36 Comments || Top||

#41  Lux - mebbe that's the total figure, us + them. Might be about right, in fact, as a total.

Now Fox saying that 70 attacked Gov Palace in Ar Ramadi. That makes the 80 dead figure a non-starter. Not sure whether area HQ is IN the GovPal - or just near. So much bullshit, so little time!

Now saying 12 US Marines KIA in Ar Ramadi, 4 in Fallujah and 2 in Baghdad - all today. Something's not right - he just summarized and said 16 US KIA today. Either first figs are bogus or his math sucks -- or, and most likely, I can't type and listen at the same time very well. Sigh.
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 17:44 Comments || Top||

#42  I just heard a report of 'heavy' insurgent casualties! Kick ass Marines!
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 04/06/2004 17:46 Comments || Top||

#43  I'm afraid the newsflash is about the totality of coverage from Sky at the moment, so I can't tell you anymore. Here's hoping that the vast majority of the 130 are Sadr's drones.
Posted by: Lux || 04/06/2004 17:47 Comments || Top||

#44  Hmm - I still say this is too pro of a job for the mainstream. What do you you guys think about the possibility of Izzat Ibrahim Al-Duri having a hand in this? Hes still on the loose.
Posted by: Yosemite Sam || 04/06/2004 17:47 Comments || Top||

#45  It is time to kick these SOBs in the balls. Find the hole the cleric is hiding in an drop a MOAB on it. And Keep dropping MOABs and Daisy Cutters till either they crawl for mercy or simply can't crawl any more at all.
Posted by: Cheddarhead || 04/06/2004 17:47 Comments || Top||

#46  CH - Sadr and his boyz are pussies - paper-tigers, IMHO. Sure, haul his ashes since he's fucked up and attacked, but he and his Madhi Army are wimps.

This bunch up in the SunTri, however have killed 16 Marines today (He corrected his math - 18 dead total today) - these are the Arab Pros in action. These are the guys we wanna wipe off the planet ASAP, IMO.
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 17:51 Comments || Top||

#47  God bless our forces, doing what must be done.
Posted by: Hyper || 04/06/2004 17:55 Comments || Top||

#48  Y'know, I just can't believe GR at Instapundit isn't all over this. No way would he miss this unless just cut off from his keyboard! Same for CJ at LGF - nothing. Everybody's out to dinner, I guess...

Boy are they gonna be pissed... 8^(
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 17:56 Comments || Top||

#49  This is exactly the reason I love Rantburg!
Posted by: Yosemite Sam || 04/06/2004 17:58 Comments || Top||

#50  Rooters now confirming up to "a dozen" Marine KIA at Ar Ramidi.
Posted by: 11A5S || 04/06/2004 17:59 Comments || Top||

#51  OTOH - Drudge's page looks like armageddon - totally overblown with KIA's and crap in the headlines.
Posted by: Frank G || 04/06/2004 18:00 Comments || Top||

#52  One of you guys who knows more about "Red" (Al Dhouri sp?) jump in and answer YS. I'm not a pro on him other than he's the last of the big boyz missing. The attack in Ar Ramadi was obviously a surprise. I guess there is no "rear" in this gig - and they were caught sleeping. 70 guys with a mess of RPG's can kill a lot of people quickly if caught by surprise.

Brit Hume on now... now he's repeating the BS that it's the Madhi Army, which was discounted 30 minutes ago by another Fox reporter. Sheesh. Now talking to the guy who has scooped everyone today, Bret Bair - he says attackers aren't known - and is again discounting early reports that it's Sadr's "army". Pentagon sez not sure who attacked in Ramadi, but they are guessing Ba'athists, maybe foreigh fighters. No plans to call in more troops, but considering delaying rotation, as we got earlier. Bret Bair owns the day, Marines own the night!
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 18:05 Comments || Top||

#53  "up to a dozen" also describes zero.
Posted by: Jack C. Lately || 04/06/2004 18:06 Comments || Top||

#54  BTW, Amen to what Hyper and YS say!
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 18:08 Comments || Top||

#55  JCL - be specific - I have been. Source? Link? Something?
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 18:08 Comments || Top||

#56  Drudge is overblown. Remember it is night there. How many Sadrites that went to meet the virgins won't be known until daybreak. It will probably be at least 10x the fatalities suffered by our brave guys. Remember, the Islamofacist follower of Sadr doesn't care about his fate, so with our guy's night-vision goggles, our Marines probably can pick off those fools in bunches.
Posted by: Anonymous4052 || 04/06/2004 18:11 Comments || Top||

#57  holy shiite!
Posted by: muck4doo || 04/06/2004 18:12 Comments || Top||

#58  AP now has a fairly balanced report up. Headline: 66 Iraqis Die in Battle With US Forces
Posted by: 11A5S || 04/06/2004 18:15 Comments || Top||

#59  This was planned IMPO by the ashole cleric. When the contractors were killed last week people in the crowd already had signs that were made up in advance. Grabbing the cleric may not stop it but let him file a complaint with Allah, in person
Posted by: Cheddarhead || 04/06/2004 18:18 Comments || Top||

#60  66 enemy on the AP report. Remember it is still dark there for about 3-1/2 hours. That number will triple.
Posted by: Anonymous4052 || 04/06/2004 18:18 Comments || Top||

#61  I've been thinking some more... y'all are implying some sort of professionalism on the part of the attackers. I've thought about it, and I've determined that this is not the case. These guys are better than the usual insurgents the US has had to deal with, but I can't help but think that professionals would have coordinated their attacks much better.

For instance, Sadr had a semi-coordinated set of simultaneous attacks in Baghdad and points south; he started those attacks the day _before_ the Marines started the section/sweep phase of Fallujah.

And now there's this bunch of attacks in Ar Ramadi.

I think professionals would have waited until Monday (or probably later than that... but that's another post in itself on the timing of switching to the offensive phase of an insurgency) and then done simultaneous attacks in Basra, Baghdad, etc., AND Ar Ramadi at the same time the Marines were going in.

And the more I think about my previous opinion, I find myself wondering how big the gap is between the way the Army of Sadr thinks a successful guerilla campaign should be done, and how I think it should be done in my semi-informed unprofessional opinion, much less how someone who's actually been to Basic, or OCS or NCO school, or the Army War College might think it should be done.

Trying to put it another way, I read on the news that "The Army of Sadr" is attacking, and I imagine a proper textbook guerilla army (of whatever model one wants to use) being put into action, but in reality it's not a textbook guerilla army but something that is comparatively speaking substandard.

What do y'all think?
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 04/06/2004 18:20 Comments || Top||

#62  CH - I'm not convinced Shia Al-Sadr and Sunni Fallujah are connected by other than opportunity. Direct coordination doesn't seem likely, but the sides are all to willing to attack when our forces are pre-occupied with the other side...of course, I could be wrong (again) ;-)
Posted by: Frank G || 04/06/2004 18:22 Comments || Top||

#63  From Hugh Hewitt - Sadr's army = 5000, receives money from Lebanese Hezbollah. Birds of a feather flock together - even vultures & buzzards.
Perhaps our marines should put Sadr into the same condition that the Israleis did Hamas' Yasin.
Posted by: Anonymous4052 || 04/06/2004 18:38 Comments || Top||

#64  Drudge did take down the 130 headline. But it is still in the story as estimates run as high as but nothing is official. Go troops, kill the bad guys, and stay safe.
Posted by: Ol_Dirty_American || 04/06/2004 18:38 Comments || Top||

#65  Frank G - Agree - and maybe this is a partial answer to PF, though I'm no guerilla expert: I see this as opportunism, not collaboration. We precipitated this when we shut down Sadr's newspaper. Then the Spaniards arrested his lieutenant and the shit really began. I think the Fallujah guys, looking at Sadr and at the calendar decided to take next target of opportunity. And here we are.

What is wacky, IMHO, in the news reporting - and sometimes in comments here, is that we can handle only one thing at a time. Every Leg and every Jathead knows what to do when fired upon. Every single one of them in Iraq. They all have standing orders for what to do if X or Y or Z happens. You could attack in 100 different places and in each one of them these professionals would just execute their SOP according to the ROE they operate under. So the breathlessness of the reporters is a constant source of irritation for me - cuz they're transmitting that it's an emergency and almost out of control - because their hearts are beating fast talking about other people doing what they are unable / unwilling to do. It's entertainment, too, when they finally get info worth hearing.

Bret Bair on Fox now saying it's possible the Ramadi attack could even have been ex-Iraqi Army and/or ex-Special Republican Guard - Pentagon leaning toward Ba'athists, now. Saying it was definitely a surprise attack.
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 18:42 Comments || Top||

#66  For those that would say we should leave Iraq, remind them that this battle is being fought just 12 hours from anywhere in the continental US.

The world is too damn small for us to hide behind our shores and the world too dangerous to leave our secuity in the ands of people who continue to think that Iraq is a far off place that we can afford to ignore.
Posted by: Frank Martin || 04/06/2004 18:43 Comments || Top||

#67  BTW - new post up at Belmont
Posted by: Frank G || 04/06/2004 18:43 Comments || Top||

#68  Sigh. Jathead should be Jarhead. Apologies.
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 18:44 Comments || Top||

#69  From Sky news. Sadr's demands are growing.....

The cleric's aide said the Coalition must withdraw troops from populated areas, such as Baghdad and Fallujah, and release prisoners.

The demands are in addition to the original call for al-Sadr's extremist newspaper to be reopened after the coalition shut it down.

Al-Sadr's militiamen have opened up three fronts across the country, targeting coalition forces and causing casualties in American, British and Italian held areas.

Sky's David Chater in Baghdad said: "They (the militias) have shown their military might and their demands are growing.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 04/06/2004 18:46 Comments || Top||

#70  Frank G - Thanks - Wretchard rocks!

CF - Re: Sadr. Lol! Pfeh. Dead man talking. His people hid behind women and children and lost their asses... and he ran like a rabbit and hid in a moskkk.

He's D.E.A.D. as long as we just do our business - which I think we're finally going to do this time, both with Sadr and in the SunTri.
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 18:55 Comments || Top||

#71  .com great post. I couldn't agree more on the breathlessness subject. Our people are professionals. Their skill and esprit de corps is unmatched. They have demonstrated time and again that they will perform under fire.

The one thing that is missing so far is significant air or artillery support on these operations. At least little has been reported (I'm still at the office counting on RB posters to keep me informed.) I would have to believe that the command structure is not going to let our guys get hit without coming back at the attackers hard.

This is their Tet try, but they don't have the 15+ years of insurgency experience like the VC and NVA. They are going to get their asses kicked. Pray for our boys out there tonight. They are the best.
Posted by: remote man || 04/06/2004 18:55 Comments || Top||

#72  .com, you're right on about the reporters. They seem continually shocked that the enemy has guns and bullets, and think that this represents a lack of planning by the White House or the Pentagon.
Posted by: Matt || 04/06/2004 18:58 Comments || Top||

#73  "So the breathlessness of the reporters is a constant source of irritation for me"

As bad as the reporters are, the talking heads are even worse: I almost unloaded my .45 into the TV during John Gibson's show on Fox. I can't stand the guy; what a useless, panicking ninnie.
Posted by: Dave D. || 04/06/2004 19:01 Comments || Top||

#74  "They (the militias) have shown their military might and their demands are growing. " Sheesh....don't stroke yerself too hard there guy - it garbles your commentary.
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 04/06/2004 19:01 Comments || Top||

#75  I'll bet my entire bank account that either there is now, or will be ASAP an IR-equipped UAV flying figure-8's over the Fallaujah region, including Ar Ramadi.

That'll prolly make you happier, remote man! Now if it's armed to the gills, well now, that'll make everyone happier, methinks.

Bret Bair updating now. Confirmed 18 KIA / 20+ Wounded today. Sez "situation is winding down". Once again discounting SunTri action was Madhi Twinkies. Pentagon sez well trained, well equipped, and possibly former Army or Spec Republican Guard.

Now complaints about dead in Fallujah, local Iraqi Doc claims many women and children (same as the AP article 11A5S found for us - still best summary I've yet seen). No mention of baby ducks, puppies, or kittens, Mucky.

Confirming now 14 Captives and 12 KIA jihadis in Fallujah. More summary of action other places but going too fast for me, now, sorry.
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 19:07 Comments || Top||

#76  Sadr ain't Giap. Prepare for a change in mission.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/06/2004 19:07 Comments || Top||

#77  rem man / Matt - They really make me crazy - like Dave D! But I just spent $4K on this big wide-screen mutha, so I'll eat Drano before I'll shoot it, heh!

RM - sorta rings hollow when he's hiding, doncha think?

Ship - Nor are their fodder equiv to NVA, as some smart person pointed out (can't locate it at the moment - sorry!) up above!
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 19:12 Comments || Top||

#78  .com you know I am lovin the Predator. And my guess is that they have several smaller tactical birds up there as well. Sorry about the cilian casualties, but the locals could have avoided them if they'd ratted out the SRG's in their midst months ago.
Posted by: remote man || 04/06/2004 19:14 Comments || Top||

#79  rem man - Yep. UAV's will completely change everything. Period.

Re: Fallujah Civs - And yesterday they got the full PR drill, too, bull horn, leaflets, the worx. Hey, it's simple: If you don't evac or give up the bad guys, then your ticket's void.
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 19:16 Comments || Top||

#80  rem man - UAV follow-up thought... In a whisper, "Hell, I'd pay even more taxes if they'd promise to put them into body armor and armed UAV's." Mumm's the werd, heh.
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 19:18 Comments || Top||

#81  remote man - Dont discount the enemy's habit of hiding behind women and children civilians. I think that counts for a *lot* of the civilian casualties.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 04/06/2004 19:19 Comments || Top||

#82  civs in Fallujah at this point = voluntary human shields....ahhh welll at least you'll get your raisins lol
Posted by: Frank G || 04/06/2004 19:19 Comments || Top||

#83  Thank da LOWARD for Rantburg. I was seeing those 120+ killed and freaking out, then I smacked myself for not coming here for another view (and the info ya'll dig up).

Hopefully those numbers are just idiot reporters overblowing things as they always do.
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats || 04/06/2004 19:21 Comments || Top||

#84  Is this a diversion? Is someone important breaking through the 'cordon'?
Posted by: THEO || 04/06/2004 19:21 Comments || Top||

#85  Frank, using the women and children is SOP for the brave Arab warrior. Scumbags. There was a great post somewhere on RB today about how the Arab male basically has no dick as reflected by the way they treat their women. Boy, ain't it the truth.
Posted by: remote man || 04/06/2004 19:21 Comments || Top||

#86  Sadr's demands are growing...
ka-snip

Yeah, and I want a toilet made of solid gold, but it just ain't in the cards.
Posted by: eLarson || 04/06/2004 19:22 Comments || Top||

#87  Lol - remote man - that was ex-lib's classic rant on Arab masculinity -- or better yet, the lack of it. Lol! Truly a classic!
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 19:26 Comments || Top||

#88  THEO -What are you talking about? News? Source? Link?
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 19:27 Comments || Top||

#89  Well the print people are onto the story like a puppy on your favorite sweat socks...

Here's a really really GOOD example of a really really BAD report. Completely breathlessly clueless and filled with spin phrasing unworthy of bona-fide reporters. Tripe and dizziness courtesy of Rooters.
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 19:33 Comments || Top||

#90  Hopefully if this continues it will help deplete the hidden cache's of weapons. These guys have limited ability to resupply and idiot stunts like this will use up what they have hidden. Last ditch attacks like this could easily end just like the Battle of the Bulge, Tet offensive, Korea (whatever the original southern offensive was called that McArthur outflanked)
Posted by: Patrick || 04/06/2004 19:34 Comments || Top||

#91  First of all, we've been very lucky with 16 KIA. MOUT (Military Operations in Urban Terrain) operations may be THE worst type of fighting there is. I agree with the assessment that we waited too long and have been too soft. Instead of packing 50 marines into the back of a Hummer (as shown on FOX), they need to get armor in there for fire support. A Bradley's 25MM pumping out HE rounds can do some damage. Pump a TOW into a building and watch them flee like roaches. Yeah armor is useless in the city, but there are areas they can fight in there. The Militia will fight for a few days, but the Marines need to start tearing shit up. It seems like whoever planned this shin-dig wasn't very agressive. (Not on the ground, I don't know) Besides, come on 1 Battalion of Marines??? They're GOOD, but even Superman needs help every once in a while.They should've put in 2 Brigades minimum. Armor provides the "shock" supported by Infantry and you can hammer and assault. Trust me if T-55 rounds bounced off of an M1A1's in the first war, good luck using those RPG's. (I know EVERYTHING is dependent on terrain). All I'm saying is that we need more moblie forces and more importantly, we need a Patton in there and not a McClellan. Make them ALL believers USMC!!!
Posted by: 98Zulu || 04/06/2004 19:38 Comments || Top||

#92  Patrick - at Inchon, but I don't recall the name of the Opn. I'm not sure if they're limited in arms or not - there's plenty of Saudi funding via Prince Nayaf, I'd bet, as long as he can find fodder to give it to. I'd guess arms are coming in from Syria for SunTri and Iraq for Sadr's fodder.


Here are The Command Post's MAPS
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 19:41 Comments || Top||

#93  Seems like our guys there are doing a top notch job, but over here we hear in statements of appeasment by Teddy Kennedy, Al-Jazerra's favorite senator, whining that undermines them. Hewitt and Gaffney are urging the US populace at large to stay the course. And we need to do so.
Get those predator drones in there and ring some alarm clocks.
Posted by: Anonymous4052 || 04/06/2004 19:44 Comments || Top||

#94  If I were Sadr, or a Baathist, I would have waited.

I would have waited for the Yanks to pass over the reins of government to the Iraqi's. I would have waited until we were closer to the American elections. Then I would have pulled the Tet-style bullcrap to take over the Iraqi government, embarass Bush, and hopefully cost him the election.

As it is, the US military can now shoot openly at these guys and we'll have them rolled up before the hand over of power, and long before the US election. Damn fools (not that I'm complaining). I particularly like how they fire their weapons from the hip, Rambo style.
Posted by: ruprecht || 04/06/2004 19:46 Comments || Top||

#95  Our people are doing a great job but it's not clear to me that we have enough troops in Iraq. I did not think this was the case until this past 10 days, but things seem to have gone down hill since we started drawing down and handing responsibility over to the Iraqis. It's up to the commander in chief to decide whether to commit more resources even if it spun as an admission of failure by some.
Posted by: JAB || 04/06/2004 19:50 Comments || Top||

#96  They made a fundamental strategic error in an effort to get tactical surproise: they thought they could get away with cowing us due to Kerry/Kennedy during a force change over.

All they did was delay the departure of the 1st Armored Division, who will be brought to bear quite soon.

That and like a classic poker blunder, they showed their hand too soon. Now they are all out in the open, operating as plainly crimina elements, and dont have the populace supporting them.

I wager that a great majority of those in the triangle are former Fedayeen Sadaam and army malcontents as well as Baathists.

Glad to see them in the open, dying is decent numbers.

Want to know WHY they are attacking now?

Because we are hurting them, hard, with the cordon and clear being run on Fallujah and other towns. They have 2 choices: go down fighting or just go down. Like the SS for the Nazis at the end of WW2, they are trying to take as many of us with them as they can.
Posted by: OldSpook || 04/06/2004 20:02 Comments || Top||

#97  .com#89: " Well the print people are onto the story like a puppy on your favorite sweat socks..." LOL!! Absolutely! Your link was the perfect example of why I'm an ex-lib (originally was trained as a broadcast news/documentary film and newspaper reporter). They write it so smoothly, don't they? Why, one might almost believe them. I got so fed up with that field, because the only thing most journalists do is to use their training to try and fake out people with false (or "tweaked") information bubbling up from their own biases
--or from their editor's biases. Half the time they believe it themselves. Ugh! And Grrrr!

Our guys are going to do great! I'm sure of it. The negative reports are just doof-fodder. But the loss of the life of even one of our good guys is reason enough to turn all the Islamotwerps into desert dust!

I have added to my rant on the Scandi stolen dynamite post, and I'm betting my fortune on the guys with dicks!

Go Marines! Go Army! Go Blackwater and anyone else over there properly "equipped"! Show 'em what it's all about!!

All our prayers.
Posted by: ex-lib || 04/06/2004 20:03 Comments || Top||

#98  LOL at least you didn't call for a muster and show of "arms" on the commenters
Posted by: Frank G || 04/06/2004 20:04 Comments || Top||

#99  Beyond delaying departure of the 1st Armored Division, what more can be done in the intermediate term to reinforce things further deteriorate?

I will continue to pray for our people and hope that we are in fact significantly reducing the number of enemy. This is not clear from the reports but I assume we are.

Posted by: JAB || 04/06/2004 20:07 Comments || Top||

#100  Well said 98Zulu, I agree.
Posted by: Rafael || 04/06/2004 20:09 Comments || Top||

#101  Walt Rodgers of the Collaborators News Network just about wet himself on the 7:00 CT broadcast. The Marines are under attack! Thank God this guy wasn't around for Tarawa or the Chosin Reservoir.
Posted by: Matt || 04/06/2004 20:16 Comments || Top||

#102  OS - I think you're dead right. Forgive me, cuz I know I'm not the strategist you are, but all of what you said rings true. They actually didn't pick the time - with Sadr, we did. He'll die figuring this out, I hope. And the terrain around Fallujah? Really stupid choice - way too open. Of course, I haven't studied the whole SunTri terrain - it may be the best of the lot, Lol!

ruprecht - I think the SunTri Ba'athists (or whomever it is) screwed up and jumped in thinking we'd be distracted - too soon as ruprecht pointed out.

JAB - The Ret Col and Ret Gen on O'Reilly just said we have enough - but wrong mix. Need many more Spec ops and Air, less armor - which fits with 98 Zulu's statement on MOUT.

ex-lib - Dubya has taken a drubbing in the polls - cuz the asshats are controlling the reporting, as you pointed out. I empathize with your frustrations, and change of career - though I sure wish YOU were writing for the NYT today or reporting for CNN - and bucking management all the way!

O'Reilly always has his own spin on things in the No Spin Zone - but he got 2 things right:
1) This is the Second Iraq War cuz we never nailed the SunTri and allowed the Mullahs to arm private militias - there are more besides Sadr's, y'know.
2) This is the moment of truth - we can lose Iraq or we can win it - and that choice is here and now.
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 20:19 Comments || Top||

#103  Walt Rodgers of the Collaborators News Network...

Jamie McIntyre couldn't keep the grin off his face either.
Posted by: Rafael || 04/06/2004 20:20 Comments || Top||

#104  Presumably we can move more Special Operations troops and air power back into the country relatively quickly, though Special Ops must be severely overtasked right now.
Posted by: JAB || 04/06/2004 20:22 Comments || Top||

#105  Far Fetched Theory follows: Could this offensive be a testing of the reactions of the Coalition? A more thought out attack (to ruprecht's point) to follow? I know I'm not giving our guys enough credit (and prolly too much credit to Allah's finest) but I have to think this concern is running through some military planners minds....
Posted by: Mason || 04/06/2004 20:33 Comments || Top||

#106  Relax folks, we got these f*ckers. Matter of time like I said. The eye of mordor is upon them. 761 grains of diplomacy will be passing through Sadr's brain housing group by the end of the week. I MEF trains for this sh*t hard. We'll lose some lads, I hate to say it God bless them each & everyone and it pains me to no end, but it's going to happen, read through the media sensationalism, the kill ratio will be insane for us, think 15 or 20 to 1. We do this sh*t for a living remember?
Posted by: Jarhead || 04/06/2004 20:55 Comments || Top||

#107  Pendleton boyz and my neighbors - God Bless Each and Every One
Posted by: Frank G || 04/06/2004 20:58 Comments || Top||

#108  Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could just build a great big colosseum,line all the Shiite extremists up on one side, all the Sunni/Baathist cockroaches on the other,hand out the cudgels, and let them play "last man standing" while our troops clapped and jeered from the bleachers?

It just seems that it is INSANE that our lads are soaking up punishment from such diametrically-opposed forces - when we could just let "matter" and "anti-matter" cancel themselves out.

Ah well, I guess things can't always work out so conveniently.
Posted by: Lone Ranger || 04/06/2004 21:15 Comments || Top||

#109  Just watched ABC Evening news. The Pentagon correspondent was wetting herself into an orgasmic fevor saying there are 'many many many' U.S. casualties and wounded and 'many many' insurgent and 'many many' U.S. casualties in the 'general revolt'..... Oh and it is not known if everyone was supporting Sadr (gee... everyone here on rantburg knows that they don't...). And Sadr has us on the run....

Strangely they did not mention that the 'insurgents' were using civilian human shields.

Oh and there were 'many many US casualties!
Posted by: CrazyFool || 04/06/2004 21:26 Comments || Top||

#110  "Get those predator drones in there and ring some alarm clocks."

While we are at it why not fly one over Hyannisport and keep that drunk at home swigging his booze.
Posted by: Bill Nelson || 04/06/2004 21:29 Comments || Top||

#111  This is TET -- That's the correct analogy. Not a danger to us over there but aimed at provoking a dangerous response on the home front.
Posted by: Anonymous4059 || 04/06/2004 21:33 Comments || Top||

#112  So it's really a three-pronged attack: the Sunnis, the radical Shiites, and the US news media. When's that armed forces news feed coming online?
Posted by: Matt || 04/06/2004 21:47 Comments || Top||

#113  "Julius Caesar", Act III, scene i

Anthony:
"O, pardon me, thou bleeding piece of earth,
That I am meek and gentle with these butchers!
Thou art the ruins of the noblest man
That ever lived in the tide of times.
Woe to the hand that shed this costly blood!
Over thy wounds now do I prophesy,--
Which, like dumb mouths, do ope their ruby lips,
To beg the voice and utterance of my tongue--
A curse shall light upon the limbs of men;
Domestic fury and fierce civil strife
Shall cumber all the parts of Italy;
Blood and destruction shall be so in use
And dreadful objects so familiar
That mothers shall but smile when they behold
Their infants quarter'd with the hands of war;
All pity choked with custom of fell deeds:
And Caesar's spirit, ranging for revenge,
With Ate by his side come hot from hell,
Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice
Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war;
That this foul deed shall smell above the earth
With carrion men, groaning for burial.
"
-William Shakespeare
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 21:54 Comments || Top||

#114  #110 "Get those predator drones in there and ring some alarm clocks."

The hell with the Preds, get the AC-130s up and orbiting
Posted by: Cheddarhead || 04/06/2004 22:39 Comments || Top||

#115  CH - They used one today in Fallujah... sorta the ultimate in Fire Suppression, heh...
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 22:42 Comments || Top||

#116  Ralph Peters in today's editorial was right that we didn't hit them back fast enough or hard enough.

I believed from the beginning that whacking Fallujah a really good one immediately was the best course of action. Those scumbags down there don't care anything about Western virtues like patience; all they understand is raw, unadulterated power. If that's the case, then GIVE it to 'em, and in nice, generous doses.

"The essence of war is violence. Moderation in war is imbecility. Hit first, hit hard, and hit anywhere."
-- Lord John Fisher

They used one today in Fallujah.

Just one? I would have sent at least three. All those miniguns blazing would have put on quite a show, in addition to mincing a lot of insurgent meat.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 04/06/2004 23:10 Comments || Top||

#117  Zeyad at Healing Iraq says he saw a number of rebels handing out flyers mentioning the first anniversary of the occupation. It looks like the mutilation incident may simply have been a probe in preparation for the real festivities. The Marine encirclement and attack on Fallujah pre-empted their Tet offensive, which would have had more psychological impact if it had started on April 9th. As it is, given the early kick-off, the defining moment of these hostilities will be the murder and mutilation of the contractors, not the first anniversary of the occupation. Quoted from Zeyad:

I was standing outside with neighbours yesterday afternoon gossiping when a car drove by, threw a couple of fliers at us, shouting "read them, may Allah increase your reward". The fliers were signed by a group which called itself Saif Allah Albattar (Allah's striking sword) at Ramadi, Fallujah, Adhamiya, and Diyala, which advised Iraqis to remain home on April 9th (the anniversary of the occupation), stating that they would not be responsible if anyone failed to do so.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 04/06/2004 23:40 Comments || Top||

#118  #117 Zhang Fei makes an excellent point. These nutbags have a hang-up about anniversaries. That makes it more dangerous, yet may provide opportunities where some of the key players may expose themselves to egg on the combatants. Example: The fine gentlemen of the Polish infantry may have made one of Sadr's senior people into so-much Kelbasa. This may make some of the more realistic amongst the rabble-rousers reconsider any planned action on the 9th.
Posted by: Anonymous4052 || 04/07/2004 12:09 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Pakistan Arrests Nine Suspected Militants
Pakistani police arrested nine suspected Islamic militants, including a man who allegedly sent suicide bombers to carry out a deadly attack on the U.S. Consulate in Karachi almost two years ago. The suspects — all members of the outlawed militant group Harkat-ul-Mujahedeen al-Almi — were captured Sunday in Karachi, police chief Kamal Shah said. "According to initial investigations, one of the terrorists who is in our custody had motivated suicide bombers to attack the U.S. Consulate and a bus outside the Sheraton Hotel in Karachi in 2002," he said. On May 8, 2002, a suicide bomber attacked a bus carrying foreigners outside the hotel, killing 14 people, including 11 French engineers. In June 2002, a suicide bomber detonated his explosive-laden vehicle outside the U.S. Consulate, killing 12. Several people already have been arrested and convicted in connection with those attacks. The arrested man linked to the two bombings is Sohail Akhtar, a Pakistani, Shah said. Akhtar had confessed to the crimes and to being a member of Harakat-ul Mujahedeen al-Almi, Shah said. "With their arrest, a message has gone to terrorists that they cannot escape the law for long," he said.
"Well, a coupla years, maybe. At a corpse a month, that's only about two dozen deaders. We'll get 'em eventually, though."
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Posted by: Man Bites Dog TROLL || 04/06/2004 22:15 Comments || Top||

#2  If you want to find "militants" in Pakistan, all you have to do is open a phonebook (assuming that that savage country produces phonebooks).
Posted by: Man Bites Dog TROLL || 04/06/2004 22:15 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Roundup in Falluja
U.S. troops armed with photographs
and other things
have captured a number of people in the restive city of Falluja in Iraq in a search for those responsible for an ambush that killed four American security guards there last week, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said on Tuesday. "The (U.S.) forces have cordoned off the city. They have photographs of a good many people who were involved in the attacks against the individuals and they have been conducting raids in the city against high-value targets," Rumsfeld told reporters in Norfolk, Virginia.

The United States says it will end the insurrection by Moqtada Sadr, which has taken the lives of a growing number of U.S. troops and dozens of Iraqis. Washington also has vowed to find those responsible for killing the four American security guards last week in the Sunni city of Falluja. The bodies of the slain Americans were mutilated and dragged through the streets. "Clearly all of the people in the city of Falluja were not involved in what took place," said Rumsfeld, who praised the performance of the U.S. troops. Rumsfeld told reporters that he had seen no indication that the growing violence in Iraq would push the Bush administration to postpone a scheduled handover of power to an interim Iraqi government at the end of June. He said there were about 135,000 U.S. troops currently in the country in a transition that originally planned to draw the force down to about 115,000 in the summer. Any decision to send more U.S. troops to Iraq would have to come from commanders on the scene, he added.
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Central Asia
Uzbeks Say Most Terror Suspects Detained
Uzbek police said Tuesday they had detained most of those suspected in last week's terror attacks, including the alleged masterminds of the string of bombings and shootings that killed 47 people. But an Uzbek human rights groups accused the government of using the attacks as a pretext to step up its campaign against religious Muslims and said authorities were detaining innocent people.
To most "human rights" groups, there's not a real difference between a "pretext" and a "reason."
Surat Ikramov, head of the Independent Human Rights Initiatives Group, said relatives, even children, of devout Muslims arrested before the attacks were being detained by investigators. Thousands of religious Uzbek Muslims have reportedly been jailed in recent years for practicing Islam outside government-sanctioned institutions, according to Uzbek and international human rights groups.
"Just innocent Muslims, going about their business..."
The attacks last week included Central Asia's first-ever suicide bombings and mainly targeted police, killing 10 officers and four civilians. Thirty-three alleged terrorists also were killed in four days of explosions, suicide attacks and assaults on police that began March 28. "Most of the people we have been searching for, including some of their leaders, have been detained," Oleg Bichenov, the Tashkent police deputy anti-terrorism chief, told The Associated Press. He refused to say how many people were in custody, but Uzbekistan's prosecutor general said last week at least 19 people had been arrested, including four women. Investigators were establishing who was behind the attacks, Bichenov said. He refused to elaborate, but Uzbek officials have said the attackers were linked to international terrorist groups.
A tentacle of Tawhid, perhaps?
However, Ikramov, the human rights activist, said he believed the attacks were "a protest against the regime as they targeted police."
Suicide bombers and shootouts being merely another form of protest...
Posted by: Fred || 04/06/2004 1:47:14 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Iraq-Jordan
Sadr ends standoff
Hat tip: Belmont Club
Radical Shiite cleric Moqtada Sadr,wanted by coalition forces in Iraq, ended his sit-in at a mosque in Kufa Tuesday and travelled to the holy city of Najaf to prevent more bloodshed. "I have taken it upon myself to prevent more bloodshed except mine," he said in a statement, expressing his concern that the US troops may violate the sacred site of Al Kufa mosque. Sadr said he took his decision to "observe a peaceful sit-in" at the mosque of Al Kufa to protest against "the aggressions committed by the infidel occupier against civilians". An arrest warrant has been issued last year for Sadr for the murder of a rival cleric, Abdel Majid al-Khoei, just days after thefall of Saddam’s regime. Thousands of his supporters gathered in the mosque and vowed to defend him to the death after US civil administrator in Iraq Paul Bremer declared Sadr an outlaw on Monday.
Posted by: Mahmoud, the Weasel || 04/06/2004 12:14:32 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "I have taken it upon myself to prevent more bloodshed except mine," he said in a statement

Any way we could...ummmmmm... arrange that?
Posted by: tu3031 || 04/06/2004 14:23 Comments || Top||

#2  Sleep-gas the mosque and extract this maggot like a cracked tooth.

Posted by: Zenster || 04/06/2004 17:25 Comments || Top||


Jordan thwarted al-Qaeda threat to US embassy in Amman - US officials
Jordanian authorities last week thwarted a plan by members of Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaeda network to attack the US embassy in Amman, State Department officials said. Officials said the plot was uncovered after the arrests of members of a terrorist cell, reportedly linked to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi members, who are also allegedly planning to attack Jordanian government facilities. "We have been informed that subsequent information indicates that the American embassy in Amman also was a target," one official told Agence France-Presse, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Following on from Qaeda may be ploting to destabilise Jordan
Posted by: Lux || 04/06/2004 12:35:52 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  and Fox is just now calling this breaking news LOL
Posted by: Frank G || 04/06/2004 15:15 Comments || Top||


Poll: Iraqi Shiites do not support Sadr’s offensive
By Gary Langer, ABC News. Hat tip: Brothers Judd; EFL.

April 5— Shiite Arabs in Iraq express relatively little support for attacks against coalition forces such as those that occurred Sunday. And while most do express confidence in religious leaders and call for them to play a role in Iraq today, most do not seek a theocracy, and very few see Iran as a model for Iraq.

These people are smarter than the Left gives them credit for.

A nationwide poll of Iraqis conducted in February for ABCNEWS also found that very few Shiites express support for Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, whose militia mounted the deadly attacks against the U.S.-led occupation.
and are now in the process of getting thumped.
Nine coalition troops, including eight Americans, and more than 50 Iraqis were killed in the clashes.

The Angry Left (Kos, Atrios, Hesiod, DU, Ted Kennedy, etc.) were crowing loudly in recent days about Sadr leading the "general uprising" ("Intafada") against the "occupation." Shows what they know. Even in places like Falluja, there are more friendlies than hostiles. We need to keep that in mind.
Posted by: Mike || 04/06/2004 12:15:33 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  But what about, say, Berkeley? Can we safely say there are more hostiles than friendlies there?
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 04/06/2004 13:25 Comments || Top||

#2  To paraphrase Warren Zevon:

"In Paris, France, in Lebanon, in Palestine and Berkley, . . ." you may be right
Posted by: Mike || 04/06/2004 13:45 Comments || Top||

#3  Will somebody stick a martini glass in Teddy's yap??? Bush's Vietnam.

He has more confirmed kills that a lot SEALs I know.
Posted by: anymouse || 04/06/2004 14:04 Comments || Top||

#4  cool, now someone show that poll to Sadr City residents. I'm sure that will make them stop shooting. Who conducted this poll. IM SURE THE unemployed masses and widows on the streets were called in the polling. Im sure they all have phones.
Posted by: john || 04/06/2004 16:43 Comments || Top||


Jordan sentences eight to death over American diplomat murder
Posted by: Dragon Fly || 04/06/2004 10:57 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Interesting. Now, as for the three Americans killed in Gaza last October, have the Palestinians even found the perpetrators yet???
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 04/06/2004 11:34 Comments || Top||

#2  They're running the investigation, B-a-R... ;-)
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 11:43 Comments || Top||

#3  B.A.R & .com -- I believe that the Palestinians let them go last month while everyone was paying attention to Spain.
Posted by: Desert Blondie || 04/06/2004 12:37 Comments || Top||

#4  Don't rejoice too soon. In sharia there is nodeath penalty when muslim muders a non-muslim so the usual proceedings has ever been to sentence perpetrator to death (in order to placate the foreign power), then chief of state commutes the penalty into jail and finally there is an amnesty who sets the thug free.
Posted by: JFM || 04/06/2004 13:31 Comments || Top||

#5  it was also common assumption that the three or four mugs they paraded around as the arrestees were just fodder grabbed off the street to try and get a resumption of aid, and in no way connected to the plot
Posted by: Frank G || 04/06/2004 13:35 Comments || Top||


Sadr’s Last Stand
From April 6 Strategypage.com
EFL

Sadr was long suspected of using violence, and murder, against opponents. A months long investigation last year, using Iraqi police and detective, uncovered the details of Sadrs use of death squads and terrorism against civilians, clerics and government officials who opposed him. In the last week, members of these death squads were arrested, and this apparently pushed Sadr to open rebellion.
Posted by: ed || 04/06/2004 6:07:57 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  nice tidbit, but I think June 30th might have more to do with it
Posted by: Frank G || 04/06/2004 10:17 Comments || Top||


15 Iraqis Killed in Clash With Italians
Italian troops and Iraqi insurgents clashed Tuesday in the southern city of Nasiriyah, killing at least 15 Iraqis and wounding 35, an Italian news agency reported. Twelve Italians troops were slightly wounded, the Italian Defense Ministry reported. The Apcom agency quoted U.S.-led coalition spokeswoman Paola Della Casa as saying the Iraqi attackers used civilians as human shields during the attack. She said a woman and two children were among the dead.
Brave "insurgents", hiding behind women and children.
According to the Defense Ministry in Rome, the fighting occurred early in the day as gunmen opened fire on Italian forces patrolling the streets and bridges over the Euphrates, trying to restore orders after violent protests in the area. The Italians returned fire, and at the end of the gunbattle regained control of the main bridges, said a statement by the Defense Ministry. The ministry said the coalition headquarters building in Nasiriyah also came under attack during the clashes.
Nice work, guys.
Posted by: Steve || 04/06/2004 9:55:03 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Get Roman on these suckers.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/06/2004 10:05 Comments || Top||

#2  Bravo paizanos! First victory since maybe Gaul......
Posted by: Jarhead || 04/06/2004 10:47 Comments || Top||

#3  And the more the bastards use women and children, will they have some stories when they get home.

They will get hardened, and they will harden their families and friends.
Posted by: Anonymous2U || 04/06/2004 10:57 Comments || Top||

#4  Don't mess with the family.
Posted by: Charles || 04/06/2004 11:38 Comments || Top||

#5  THE Apcom agency quoted U.S.-led coalition spokeswoman Paola Della Casa as saying the Iraqi attackers used civilians as human shields during the attack. She said a woman and two children were among the dead.

These guys must not believe in their cause all that much.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 04/06/2004 13:29 Comments || Top||

#6  Don't mess with the family.
Darn right.
Posted by: Anonymous4044 || 04/06/2004 13:32 Comments || Top||

#7  Bravo paizanos! First victory since maybe Gaul......

Well, they also the last to beat the Israeli army. :-)
Posted by: JFM || 04/06/2004 13:33 Comments || Top||

#8  Hiding behind women and children. These people dont deserve 'humane' consideration. Kill them like the rabid dogs (or pigs) they are.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 04/06/2004 13:37 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Tribesmen vow to catch al-Qaeda
This should be good for a laugh
UNDER pressure from the regional governor, hundreds of armed Pakistani tribesmen today started a hunt for al-Qaeda suspects believed to be hiding in remote territories near the Afghanistan border, a tribal elder said.
"Which way did he go, George? Which way did he go?"
Members of the Utmankhel tribe in South Waziristan started the search a day after the regional governor, Iftikhar Hussain Shah, told elders in the provincial capital, Peshawar, that they have until April 20 to expel foreign militants or face military action.

Officials believe that hundreds of al-Qaeda and Taliban fighters are hiding in the South and North Waziristan regions, some harbored by tribe members in villages near Wana, the main town of South Waziristan. On Tuesday, about 600 Utmankhel tribesmen, many armed with assault rifles, rolling their eyes and gnashing their teeth gathered in Azam Warsak, a small town about 15 kilometres west of Wana, said Malik Iqbal Khan Wazir, an Utmankhel elder. Wazir said the men travelled to nearby Shin Warsak where they searched houses and questioned people in the area for clues to find the militant suspects. "We will go to every part in our territory when we get information about the presence of foreign terrorists," Wazir said.

Wazir’s pledge notwithstanding, it was not immediately clear with what level of conviction the search was being undertaken. US, Afghan and Pakistani authorities all accuse the tribesmen of doing little to move against the foreigners in recent months. Shin Warsak is in a region where Pakistani troops fought fierce battles last month with militants hiding in fortress-like mud houses, killing at least 63 foreign and local militants. Nearly 50 Pakistani troops and officials, and a dozen civilians also died in the clash. Government soldiers captured more than 160 suspects, but hundreds managed to escape. Uzbek militant leader Tahir Yuldash, believed to be among the escaped, was wounded in the action, officials said.
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#1  We ain't here. Go away.
Posted by: Snipe || 04/06/2004 10:19 Comments || Top||

#2  Yeah, Riiiiight.

Is there any way we can bring back Duels of Honor, so that when we bomb the shit out of Islamassholes who insult our intelligence, we can cite a cultural disposition thereto?
Posted by: Ptah || 04/06/2004 11:08 Comments || Top||

#3  Yeah, just think what they could shake them down for to let them escape...
Posted by: tu3031 || 04/06/2004 13:00 Comments || Top||


Caucasus
Ingushetia leader survives attack
The pro-Kremlin president of a Russian region bordering Chechnya has survived an apparent assassination attempt. Ingushetia's President, Murat Zyazikov, was slightly injured when a car packed with explosives rammed into his motorcade on Monday morning.
Murat?
A presidential spokesman said it appeared to have been a suicide attack.
Well, unless the car drove itself...
Correspondents say Mr Zyazikov, who served in the intelligence services in Chechnya and Ingushetia, is seen as a close ally of President Vladimir Putin. It was not immediately clear who carried out the attack which injured several bodyguards and damaged nearby buildings.
It's most likely the usual suspects.
But Mr Zyazikov told Russian Itar-Tass news agency the blast was the work of "forces who wanted to turn Ingushetia into a battleground. The separatists and extremists, whose leaders are known, stand to gain above all from the destabilisation processes."
Yup, the usual Chechen suspects
Moscow says it has pacified Chechnya four years into its second campaign, but fighting continues in the rebellious republic. Most of the attacks take place inside Chechnya, but Russian serviceman have also been targeted in Ingushetia. Ingushetia hosts thousands of Chechen refugees who fled the conflict.
Great, another country I can't pronounce.
Ingushetia's apparently where they kept the non-nutballs. When Dzokar first started bumping people off Chechnya was half of the Chechen-Ingush Autonomous Region. The Ingush response was something along the lines of "go, then, and don't come back." The refugee camps, as is usually the case, provide a means of infiltrating sad-eyed Bad Guys, who later try to assassinate people. Somehow there're always more corpses near refugee camps than there are elsewhere, starting in Paleostine, going through the Pak-Afghan border, and of course deep into places like Ingushetia and Dagestan.
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Afghanistan/South Asia
Afghanistan Work Accident
KANDAHAR: Two Taliban died when a mine they were laying on a road used by U.S. forces exploded prematurely in Afghanistan, a local security official said today.
"Ok, the mine is armed. Now all we have to do is cover it so no one can see it and make our esca.....KABOOM"
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#1  Death Ray, Version 3.0
Posted by: Dragon Fly || 04/06/2004 9:10 Comments || Top||

#2  An from a distant boom the voice of Freddie Mercury was heard to croon, "and another one down and another one bites..."
Posted by: Super Hose || 04/06/2004 14:18 Comments || Top||

#3  Don't they have an OSHA over there?
Posted by: Jackal || 04/06/2004 19:05 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Al-Sadr leaves mosque in Kufa
A radical Shiite cleric sought by U.S. forces said Tuesday he left the fortress-like mosque where he has been holed up for days, surrounded by armed supporters. Muqtada al-Sadr, in a statement released by his office, did not say where he had gone. The United States declared al-Sadr an ’’outlaw’’ after his militiamen battled coalition troops Sunday in Baghdad and outside Najaf in fights that killed 61 people including eight U.S. soldiers. U.S. officials announced an arrest warrant against al-Sadr on Monday, suggesting they would move soon to detain him. Al-Sadr supporters clashed Tuesday with British troops in the southern city of Amarah, and witnesses reported seeing Iraqis killed in the fight. British officials had no immediate comment. Since Sunday, al-Sadr was in the main mosque in the city of Kufa, south of Baghdad, with dozens of militiamen outside vowing to resist any U.S. attempt to arrest him. But in a statement released by his office in the nearby city of Najaf, al-Sadr said he had left the mosque, fearing it would be damaged in an assault.
Humm, ya suppose Don Sistani asked him to leave?
’’I feared that the sanctity of a glorious and esteemed mosque would be violated by scum and evil people,’’ he said. The Americans ’’will have no qualms to embark on such actions.’’
True, it would have caused problems, but we would have done it with Iraqi help.

Al-Sadr did not say in the statement where he had gone, but he took a defiant tone, saying he was willing to ’’shed my own blood’’ for Iraq and denouncing U.S. President George W. Bush, who said Monday that al-Sadr aimed at wrecking democracy in Iraq.
The more someone sez he's willing to "shed his own blood", the faster he seems to disappear when the shooting starts.
’’I would like to direct my words to the father of evil, Bush,’’ al-Sadr said. ’’Who is against democracy? Is it the one who calls for peaceful resistance or the one who bombs people, sheds their blood and leads them away from the leaders under feeble and dirty pretexts?’’
Al-Sadr, a firey 30-year-old cleric, frequently denounces the U.S. occupation in his sermons and has built up his own militia, the al-Mahdi Army, though he has avoided calling for attacks on U.S. troops.
Somebody seems to have told them to attack
The arrest warrant was issued on charges al-Sadr was involved in the slaying of a rival cleric last year.
If he is gone from the "holy mosque", it's open season.
Posted by: Phil B || 04/06/2004 6:39:49 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "...the sanctity of a glorious and esteemed mosque would be violated by scum and evil people..."

Um, already there, no?

Oh, PLEAAAASE, put up a fight...
Posted by: Hyper || 04/06/2004 9:02 Comments || Top||

#2  So WTF. He's nowhere to be found. Great another Osama running around.
Posted by: Bill Nelson || 04/06/2004 9:23 Comments || Top||

#3  Scum?

I can't say as I recall ever hearing a Lutheran referring to folks that way. Must be a trademark of The Religion of Peace.
Posted by: eLarson || 04/06/2004 9:33 Comments || Top||

#4  As OS pointed out yesterday, he'll probably show up in Tehran or Damascus by the end of the week. I expected him to stay in the fortress-like Kufa Moskkk in order to maximize his value as an irritation - it may be that Shi'a leaders warned him to leave Shi'a Islam's Most Holy Site.

Now we'll see if his plans include resistance and martyrdom -- or a cushy spot in Qom, curled up at the feet of his Mad Mullah masters.
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 9:35 Comments || Top||

#5  Monty Python moment:

Run away! Run away!

I'd guess the Iranians are a wee bit disappointed in him right now. If he could have waited, he'd have been fighting other Iraqis, less well trained and less motivated. And, Bill, he's not as smart as Osama. Think Stern Gang in Israel.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 04/06/2004 10:08 Comments || Top||

#6  A top aide to an Iraqi religious leader who's wanted by U.S. authorities said the cleric has left a mosque south of Baghdad and moved to his office in the holy city of Najaf. The spokesman for Muqtada al-Sadr said if U.S. forces come to arrest the cleric, he will "win martyrdom." Al-Sadr was quoted as saying, "My fate will be either assassination or arrested."

Already backing away from the "shed my own blood" stand, what's his middle name, Kerry?

Earlier, the cleric issued a statement that he was moving away from the heavily-guarded mosque where he'd been holed up since Sunday, to protect the religious site from "scum and evil people."

Translation: He's got more gunnies in Najaf.
Posted by: Steve || 04/06/2004 10:17 Comments || Top||

#7  Apologies for calling the Kufa Moskkk "Shi'a Islam's Most Holy Site" - I was way off - it's only SMH-5. Pfeh, a mere pile of stones.

See #7 here
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 10:20 Comments || Top||

#8  I think it was Fred who made the Damascus or Tehran destination guess, which after reflection sounds depressingly likely. Bag him before he gets. It's a good thing he left that mosque, take him out now - hellfire
Posted by: Frank G || 04/06/2004 10:24 Comments || Top||

#9  Ah, apologies, Fred!

But now he'll prolly sneak into SMH-2! Since the scale is prolly logrithmic, that'd be a really place to bomb! Lol!
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 10:32 Comments || Top||

#10  where's a sniper when you need one?
Posted by: smokeysinse || 04/06/2004 10:34 Comments || Top||

#11  "he was willing to 'shed my own blood'" Let's help him out! This guy is theocratic thugs and nothing else. He wants to do for Iraq what the clerics have done for Iran. We should wipe he and his thugs army out. The people of Najaf deserve better than to live under his rule.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 04/06/2004 10:41 Comments || Top||

#12  .com---LOL great math analogy. As much as I would like to see Sadr nailed, he is now brought down a notch by having to leave his holy site. I hope that we are tracking him. I do not imagine that he is sporting a yellow or green turban and wraparound shades...... Probably wearing a black burkah.
Posted by: Alaska Paul on the Road || 04/06/2004 10:45 Comments || Top||

#13  If he said, "...scum and villany," someone has a VCR.

And I agree, where were we and why did we let him go?
Posted by: Anonymous2U || 04/06/2004 10:59 Comments || Top||

#14  You have to figure his Iranian handlers are pissed off that he moved so quickly. Rather premature IMO. Bremmer now has almost 3 months to clean out his followers, destroy his militia and clean up Fallujah. By coming out in the open he has given the US military the excuse it needs to employ serious tactics. Foolish, very foolish.
Posted by: remote man || 04/06/2004 12:26 Comments || Top||

#15  From a Fox Article:

Al-Iraqia, the coalition authority-sponsored TV station in Baghdad, reported that al-Sadr had left a fortress-like mosque controlled by his al-Mahdi Army (search) militia in the city of Kufa and moved to an even more unassailable site — the tomb of Imam Ali (search), the founder of Shi'a Islam, in the holy city of Najaf.

Yup - Sounds like he is ready to shed his blood -- hiding behind a dead person.

A top al-Sadr aide, however, said the 30-year-old anti-American cleric was not in Ali's Tomb, which coalition forces would likely will not enter, but in his Najaf office nearby.

Asked if al-Sadr would resist U.S. attempts to arrest him, Sheikh Qays al-Khaz'ali said, "God forbid if this happens, al-Sayed [a term of respect for al-Sadr] will win martyrdom."

"My fate will be either assassination or arrest," al-Khaz'ali quoted al-Sadr as saying.


Comments?
Posted by: CrazyFool || 04/06/2004 12:50 Comments || Top||

#16  Comments?

If you ask me, I'd pick assassination for his ass. Preferably something that leaves a huge exit hole.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 04/06/2004 13:33 Comments || Top||

#17  Knowing almost nothing about military stuff, I still just have to think, that after 2 years, some of our Delta guys have got to be heavily involved, and know just where he is.

Like I said, this is just an opinion.
Posted by: Sherry || 04/06/2004 14:29 Comments || Top||

#18  Imperative to keep him away from SMH-2, I fear we won't be able to.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/06/2004 16:16 Comments || Top||


Italy to keep troops in Iraq
Italy has no plans to scale down its forces in Iraq, Defence Minister Antonio Martino said Tuesday, as 11 Italian soldiers were reportedly wounded -- and some 15 Iraqis killed -- in clashes with supporters of Moqtada Sadr. "No, it's not even a possibility that we're contemplating," Martino told reporters as he arrived for a meeting of EU defence ministers.
Yo, Tony! Way to go, pal!
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#1  Bravo!

And I hope Spanish lesson isn't wasted on waverers in the general population.
Posted by: Bulldog || 04/06/2004 8:54 Comments || Top||

#2  I think the 15 puts the Italian Army in 3rd place? Not too shabby.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/06/2004 10:10 Comments || Top||

#3  Viva signore Silvio!

And no KIAs -- good! :)
Posted by: Edward Yee || 04/06/2004 14:00 Comments || Top||


CPA Briefing 4-5-2004
  1. Today the Iraqi police service formally arrested Mustafa al-Yacoubi, this pursuant to a valid arrest warrant issued by an Iraqi judge. Mr. al-Yacoubi was arrested in connection with the brutal murder of Ayatollah As Seyed Ala-Majid al-Khoei (sp), who was repeatedly stabbed and shot to death last April in front of one of the world’s holiest shrines.
    Mr. Yacoubi has been transferred to Iraqi police custody, where he is held at an Iraqi detention facility and will be tried by Iraqi judges in Iraqi courts under Iraqi law. Today the Iraqi investigative judge held his first meeting with Mr. Yacoubi to ensure that he fully understands the charges against him and he fully understands his rights. The arrest and trial are about justice and law and order in Iraq. The Iraqi people want elections, not mob violence, to determine who will govern Iraq.
  2. In Baghdad yesterday there were six demonstrations in support of Muqtada al-Sadr and demonstrating against the detention of Mustafa Yacoubi. In Sadr City, three police stations came under attack, but all have been returned to IPS control.
  3. n An Najaf, a large crowd gathered midday Sunday to show support for Sadr and Yacoubi, and the demonstration turned violent in the afternoon, when elements of the Mahdi Army attacked coalition facilities on the edge of the city.
  4. In An Nasiriyah, a violent demonstration of approximately 200 Mahdi Army personnel attempted to secure bridges entering the city. The only hostile action against coalition forces was a rocket grenade fired at a CPA building, which missed. The governor defused the incident, and the demonstration ended peacefully.
  5. In al-Amarah, a crowd of about 2,000 built up peacefully during Sunday afternoon. At approximately 1700 an explosive device was thrown at coalition forces that led to violence. Order was reestablished later in the evening.
  6. In Basra, there were peaceful demonstrations by about 1,500 Sadr supporters in a number of different locations. There were some RPG attacks after the crowds dispersed, without effect on coalition forces.
  7. In al Kut, a crowd of 1,000 Sadr supporters protesting the detention of Mustafa Yacoubi were dispersed without incident.
  8. Today those cities are relatively quiet. There have been a number of demonstrations in Baghdad, to include a peaceful demonstration outside the Al Hurra Police Station in western Baghdad and a demonstration in the vicinity of the Sadr bureau in Sadr City. There have also been demonstrations in An Najaf, Basra and al Kut with no reported violence.
    There are reports of a takeover of a contractor building in An Nasiriyah by Sadr followers as well as other reports of a takeover of an abandoned building in Basra by approximately 200 Mahdi Army members. In both cases there is no violence reported, and Iraqi police service and coalition forces are monitoring the situation.
  9. Yeah, there were attack helicopters, Apache helicopters used today in Baghdad. It is my understanding that one helicopter was fired upon by small-arms fire, approximately five to six rounds that hit, one round which may have hit the cockpit without injury to any of the pilots. Acting within the limits and the inherent right of self-defense, the helicopter fired back with approximately 100 or so rounds of 20-millimeter. But no rockets were fired and no anti-tank missiles were fired.
  10. An Iraqi judge has issued an arrest warrant for Muqtada al Sadr, and that is based on evidence that connects Muqtada al Sadr to the brutal murder of Mr. al-Khoei, a murder in which Mr. al-Khoei was repeatedly stabbed and shot to death in front of the world’s -- in front of one of the world’s holiest shrines.
  11. The arrests -- there were originally 12 arrests made shortly after the murder of Mr. al-Khoei. And there was a view and there is a view today in Iraq that when these cases come to trial, in the effort to conserve Iraq’s scarce judicial resources, that as many of the individuals involved in a particular case be tried at once. The initial 12 individuals were arrested. Subsequently after a meticulous investigation, additional warrants were filed. There were additional individuals they intended to pursue. The initial 12 were found early on and detained. It was more difficult to target some of the other individuals.
    Recently they have begun -- the Iraqi judge, the investigative judge has begun to prepare the case for trial, about a month of preparation. And in light of the fact that the case was about to go to trial, he thought it important to take another shot at trying to gather up some of the other individuals that had been involved and for whom there were warrants. Mr. Yacoubi falls into that category, and they detained him.
  12. And a separate question: I read an AFP report that said the ICDC turned on American troops in this neighborhood where the Apache fired today. Have you heard anything about that?
    GEN. KIMMITT: I have heard nothing about the second report. It would -- I think it would fall in line with some of the other reports that we’ve heard over the last couple of days that have proven not to be correct.
  13. The actions of the Mahdi Army over the past 48 hours is clearly inconsistent with a safe and secure environment, and clearly inconsistent with the security of the people of Iraq. And we will take action, as and when necessary, to maintain a safe and secure environment in Iraq. Individuals who create violence, who incite violence, who execute violence against persons inside of Iraq will be hunted down and captured or killed. It is that simple.
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Africa: Horn
Turabi's waning influence in Sudan
Sudanese opposition leader Hassan Turabi helped President Omar el-Bashir seize power in a coup 14 years ago and transform the country into a haven for Osama bin Laden. Now he's accused of trying to topple el-Bashir as the Sudanese leader attempts to steer the African country away from Islamic fundamentalism in response to the U.S.-led war on terrorism. Turabi was arrested Saturday, along with about 30 soldiers, policemen and members of his Popular Congress party. El-Bashir's ruling National Congress Party said they were involved in plans to assassinate top figures and attack power stations and military installations. Turabi denies the accusations, and is to undergo further interrogation before a decision will be made on whether he will face trial.

In 1989, Turabi enjoyed a very different relationship with Sudan's political elite. That was the year he helped el-Bashir topple Sudan's last democratically elected leader, former Prime Minister Sadiq el-Mahdi. Over the next decade Turabi became one of Sudan's most powerful figures — the main ideologue of the Islamic fundamentalist government that was set up after el-Bashir seized power. In a 1998 interview with The Associated Press, Turabi said the U.S. Embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania were "understandable" and that he considered bin Laden a hero. In recent years, however, Turabi's influence has waned, in part because of the intense international pressure on Sudan to end its ties with terrorism. U.S. sanctions ban American companies from doing business in Sudan, which Washington has listed as a sponsor of terrorism. Sudan's 20-year-old civil war has also cost Turabi support. The country's move toward fundamentalist Islam exacerbated the conflict between the Muslim, Arab government and the animist and Christian southerners. The war has killed more than 2 million people through combat and attendant famine and disease.

However, analysts say Turabi is still a challenge to the government. "I believe the government knows that he is a pragmatic man, a man who does not accept half-solutions, and who can to anything to achieve his plans," said Al-Hajj Warrag, co-editor of the independent Al-Sahafa newspaper. El-Bashir and Turabi fell out in 1999 after the president accused Turabi, then speaker of parliament, of trying to grab power and stripped him of his position. El-Bashir began to move away from Islamic fundamentalism, in part, experts say, out of eagerness to get foreign aid and technology from the West to exploit his country's oil resources. Turabi, meanwhile, formed the Popular Congress and became the most prominent Islamist in opposition. Turabi spent two years under house arrest after his party signed a peace deal with the rebel Sudan People's Liberation Army, leader of the southern rebellion. His return to custody Wednesday comes just five months after authorities released him from house arrest, ruling that "circumstances that had led to his arrest are no longer valid."

Turabi is now being linked with a different Sudanese conflict in the restive western province of Darfur, where local tribes have been in revolt since early 2003. Hassan Mekki, a political science professor at the International African University and the University of Khartoum, said Turabi's arrest was preventative. The government has strong reason to believe Turabi is the "brain" behind the internationalization of the Darfur conflict, he said. "So they want to remove him from the scene for the time being. What is happening now is a summer tumult, it might soon dissipate." In the interview published Saturday, Turabi said el-Bashir's government wants to blame the Darfur conflict on his party to win favor with the West by saying Islamists are behind the violence.
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#1  None of this has stopped them from continuing to "ethnically cleanse" the black Africans near the border with Chad
Posted by: Not Mike Moore || 04/06/2004 23:58 Comments || Top||


Inside the Darfur rebels
Rabu, a rebel fighter, cocks his ageing Kalashnikov and loosens the red bandana on his forehead as he explains to me his unit's combat tactics. "When we see the enemy we fight immediately, we rush upon them - there is no attempt at out-flanking or waiting," he says. "We must be fast and terrible before their helicopters arrive."

The Sudan Liberation Movement/Army (SLM/A) has many such guerrilla units, mainly in improvised battle cars, that move across Darfur and raid areas controlled by the Khartoum government whenever they see an opportunity. The cars are heavily armed and the young men sport yellow and green turbans, cigarettes and wrap-around shades. Rabu is my SLM/A escort as I cross the border from Chad to Darfur. A few days earlier, President Omar al-Bashir of Sudan declared the war in Darfur was over and the rebels had been defeated. "If there is peace I want to study mathematics, have camels again and have a TV to watch Liverpool play," Rabu says.

We have stopped our vehicle and stand under some trees at 0300 in the desert. He pauses and peers out into the darkness, then swings the ragged-looking rocket-propelled grenade off his shoulder. For the past hour we have been followed. The car lights in the distance flicker and go out. Rabu crouches down and I follow suit. "But with Khartoum there will be no peace, only war," he says. He disappears into the night with my three bodyguards. I am left by the car. Then rifle shots go off in the darkness and I hug closer to the car tyre. A little later, three figures are coming towards me in the moonlight. I have no idea whether they are Sudanese army forces or my escorts. There is no point running, so I stand up and hold my breath - showing myself in the moonlight. The men draw closer, ghostlike out of the darkness. With relief I see Rabu's smile and recognise his easy loping gait.

We continue on our journey to meet the SLM/A military leader Minni Arkou Minnawi. A former English teacher, he is leading the SLM/A rebels in their guerrilla war against the Sudanese government. We drive throughout the next day and arrive at a cluster of trees. I see about 20 armed men, thinly spread out, watching our approach. Rabu and the others in my car raise their hands and the men step out from behind their cover. Each soldier smiles and grips my hand, and I wonder which one is Minni. A carpet is placed in the sand and I remove my shoes and sip hot sweet tea. Eventually a man walks slowly towards me in a loose fitting German army coat, with the hood up. I stand up and shake his hand. "Mr Philips from London," he says, beaming a smile from under his hood. "I want you to film a message to Mr President of Britain - tell him to come and rescue the people of Darfur."

I join the rebels in a reconnaissance mission following a government attack. In clouds of dust, we speed across the desert, the powerful battle cars moving hard and fast, the soldiers always watching the sky for the government's Antonov planes. The cars enter a village, one of the many deserted throughout Darfur, and the young soldiers spill out, cocking their weapons and splitting into small combat groups of five. I join one and we run full pelt through the village, Kalashnikovs raised to the shoulders. The men are nervous and unsure if the government soldiers are still in the village. But they need not worry - the only residents the village now has are piled corpses: stacked one upon one another, rotting in the sun.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 04/06/2004 1:10:24 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The cars are heavily armed and the young men sport yellow and green turbans, cigarettes and wrap-around shades.

We need to get some pictures of these guys up on Rantburg. Sounds like some dashingly dressed fellows. LOL.
Posted by: Alaska Paul on the Road || 04/06/2004 10:16 Comments || Top||

#2  SLM/A military leader Minni Arkou Minosa Minnawi
Posted by: Frank G || 04/06/2004 10:20 Comments || Top||

#3  The cars are heavily armed and the young men sport yellow and green turbans, cigarettes and wrap-around shades.

....These guys sound like henchmen from an Our Man Flint movie...

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 04/06/2004 13:13 Comments || Top||

#4  LOL. Rantburg has gotta be the leading combat dress critic in the west, see also West Africa Queen of Battle and Pricilla of the Desert.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/06/2004 14:47 Comments || Top||


Caucasus
Russians destroy 15 Chechen bases
Federal troops and members of the Chechen president’s security service have destroyed 15 large rebel bases and 14 caches with arms and ammunition in the republic since March 29, spokesman for the headquarters of the federal forces in the region Colonel Ilya Shabalkin told Tass on Monday. He said three powerful landmines had been found near the Samashki village, the Achkhoi-Martan district. Each bomb filled with explosives and fragments of metal was equivalent to 40 kilograms of TNT. “If such a bomb were detonated in a crowded place, the number of resulting victims could be not fewer than 300 people,” Shabalkin said.

The colonel noted that the 15 bases had been destroyed in the republic’ s Achkhoi-Martan, Urus-Martan, Vedeno, Grozny, Gudermes, Kurchaloi and Nozhai-Yurt districts. Twenty four anti-tank grenade launchers, 40 pieces of small arms, some 20,000 cartridges, 38 hand grenades, 23 artillery and mortar shells, 150 kilos of explosives and 14 homemade mines had been seized at the bases. “Bandits planned to detonate the bombs in crowded places,” Shabalkin said. Federals arrested nine would-be bombers. Federal troops have also destroyed some caches with ammunition in the mountainous part of Chechnya, Tass learned from a source at the Russian military base of Khankala. A source at the press center of the Russian Interior Ministry in the North Caucasus said police forces had destroyed a cache on the outskirts of the town of Urus-Martan. They had removed from the cache some 500 cartridges for small arms, several sticks of TNT and a Kalashnikov assault rifle. In the Nozhai-Yurt district, policemen managed to uncover a cache with two grenade launchers, a powerful landmine and cartridges.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 04/06/2004 1:00:08 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  All your base are belong to us.
Posted by: Anony-mouse || 04/06/2004 12:29 Comments || Top||

#2  Go ahead, take my rifle...I've got ninety-nine more at home!
Posted by: Anonymous4044 || 04/06/2004 14:03 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine
Sharon: Withdrawal a Blow to Palestinians
JERUSALEM (AP) - A unilateral Israeli withdrawal from the Gaza Strip and four West Bank settlements could delay Palestinian dreams of statehood for many years, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said in interviews Monday. Israel also is no longer bound by a pledge to the United States not to harm Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat, Sharon said. The White House said killing Arafat was "not part of the solution to the situation in the Middle East."
Though lots of solutions become possible if Yasser suddenly bites the big one.
Sharon gave wide-ranging interviews to Israeli daily newspapers and radio stations Monday, a Passover tradition. The prime minister has been accused by Israeli hard-liners of rewarding Palestinian militants by proposing to withdraw from Gaza and four West Bank settlements.

Sharon - in interviews with the Maariv, Yediot Ahronot and Haaretz daily newspapers - defended the plan, saying it serves the interests of Israel, not those of the Palestinians. "The Palestinians understand that this plan is to a large extent the end of their dreams, a very heavy blow to them," he told Haaretz. He told Yediot, "In the unilateral plan, there is no Palestinian state. This situation could continue for many years."
In fact, it already has!
Sharon repeatedly has said the Palestinians would receive more land in a negotiated settlement. However, he insists he does not have a Palestinian partner, accusing Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia of not confronting militants.

Arafat said he welcomed an Israeli withdrawal, but only as a first step. "He (Sharon) has to remember that he has to withdraw also ... from the West Bank," Arafat said at his West Bank headquarters in Ramallah.
Yasser then suffered total amnesia when asked what the Palestinians were supposed to do in exchange, and then started to drool and roll his eyes. He was sedated and cleaned up with baby wipes.
Palestinians say the withdrawal plan is an Israeli ruse to trade Gaza for a permanent hold over most of the West Bank. They say a withdrawal must be coordinated as part of the U.S.-backed "road kill map" peace plan, which envisions a Palestinian state by next year.

The prime minister said he plans to evacuate all 21 Israeli settlements in Gaza and four in the West Bank. A patrol road between the Gaza Strip and Egypt would remain under Israeli control for the time being, he said.Sharon said he initially would seal off Gaza after a withdrawal. "Until we see what happens, we will continue to have control of an envelope around Gaza," Sharon told Maariv. "The contacts between us (Israel and Gaza) will be like between two countries, selling and buying, but we won't have control over what happens inside.
"Unless we see somthing we don't like."
"But there won't be a Palestinian state in the disengagement plan. There won't be any such thing."

Sharon said Israel would not destroy settlements it evacuates. Israel intends to get the property evaluated by international organizations and already has raised the issue with the World Bank, he said.
Maybe they could get the EU to buy the settlements, they seem pretty free with their money.
Regarding Arafat, Sharon said three years ago he promised President Bush that Israel would not harm the Palestinian leader, but circumstances have changed. Asked whether Arafat and Hassan Nasrallah, chief of the Lebanese guerrilla group Hezbollah, could become targets for assassination, he said: "Whoever aims to kill Jews, whoever sends murderers to kill Jews, is marked for death."
Wonder how many newspapers already have Yasser's obit written?
Posted by: Steve White || 04/06/2004 12:51:46 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  But....but.....if the Joooooos leave, it will be harder to kill them! That's not playing fair!
Posted by: Desert Blondie || 04/06/2004 12:51 Comments || Top||

#2  Historical query - what's the deal with Arafat and the baby wipes? I must have missed the day that particularly running gag started.
Posted by: VAMark || 04/06/2004 13:13 Comments || Top||

#3  Little Green Footballs - links on the RB main page - has noted that in every picture of Arafat meeting in his little hovel, there's always babywipes handy and a mysterious red notebook
Posted by: Frank G || 04/06/2004 13:32 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
US may move against al-Qaeda havens in Pakistan
Pakistan must eliminate terrorist sanctuaries or this country will step in and do its part in obliterating them, U.S. Ambassador to Afghanistan Zalmay Khalilzad said Monday.
Sounds like a warning to me. Wonder what it sounds like to Perv?
Unless the issue of sanctuaries is solved, it will be difficult to fully abolish security problems in the southern and eastern parts of Afghanistan, he said. "We cannot allow this problem to fester indefinitely," Khalilzad told about 100 people at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a Washington think tank. "We have told the Pakistani leadership that either they must solve this problem or we will have to do it for ourselves." However, he cautioned, "to consolidate the victory over extremism and terrorism in Afghanistan will take a sustained commitment of at least five years by the United States and its partners."
Yeah, and it's still going to take scrubbing both Waziristans...
One of the greatest worries remains over the Taliban and other hostile groups that continue to be able to base, train and operate from Pakistani territory, he said. Khalilzad said the United States prefers that Pakistan take responsibility and the Pakistani government agrees. "We are prepared to help President (Gen. Pervez) Musharraf. However, one way or the other, this problem will have to be dealt with."
In the long run, it'll probably be the other...
Progress is evident in rebuffing the Taliban and other terrorists who aim to destabilize Afghanistan, the ambassador said. The number of security incidents has remained roughly constant during the past year; the attacks consist of terrorist actions or small, uncoordinated military activities. "They are too weak to threaten the new government and the coalition," Khalilzad said.
But they're hell on schools and unarmed civilians...
He said the most immediate challenge are presidential and parliamentary elections, scheduled for September. The challenge is logistical and operational, not security-related, he said.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 04/06/2004 12:53:31 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It is possible that the Pakistanis are using the amnesty offer because they know they are now on the clock. Maybe that is what is being setout in the Jirga. If we have to go in to clean out the rat's nest, will the other areas of Pakistan call a general strike in support of the autonomous tribal regions?
Posted by: Super Hose || 04/06/2004 2:55 Comments || Top||

#2  I was wondering how long this would take to happen. Pakistan's limp pursuit of al Qaeda has been a major issue from day one. One would think that al Qaeda announcing their intention of whacking Pervez would have built a fire under the Pak forces, but I don't see it.

Posted by: Zenster || 04/06/2004 4:34 Comments || Top||

#3  I don't think we'll move until we've whacked and stacked al-Sadr and the Baathist in Falluja unless we have direct control of the Paki nukes. I am cautious with starting too much stuff at once. For example, the Forest Service thoroughly toasts at least on state each year inadvertently by igniting a controlled burn in windy weather.
Posted by: Super Hose || 04/06/2004 4:47 Comments || Top||

#4  inadvertently by igniting a controlled burn in windy weather

Nothin inadvertent about it. Fire's are fun. (That's my new motto, BTW)
Posted by: Smokey Bear || 04/06/2004 8:38 Comments || Top||

#5  I agree SH. The eye of mordor will turn to pakistan when Sadr and fallujah have been dealt with sufficiently.
Posted by: Jarhead || 04/06/2004 10:43 Comments || Top||

#6  You mean the Forces of the West and Gondor, Jarhead?
Posted by: Ptah || 04/06/2004 11:10 Comments || Top||

#7  Negative Ptah, I've always liked playing the villain ;) Plus that eye thing from the movie was bad-ass. Sauron was just misunderstood imho. (tongue planted firmly in cheek.)
Posted by: Jarhead || 04/06/2004 11:40 Comments || Top||

#8  Jarhead, winged riders = cobra aircraft?
Posted by: Super Hose || 04/06/2004 14:22 Comments || Top||

#9  Now that would be one cool name for a new type of helicopters - the Nazgul Attack Helocopters....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 04/06/2004 14:27 Comments || Top||

#10  SH, sure. And those oliphaunts could be Abrams tanks. Sauron-6 could be a cool call sign for an actual........the ring wraiths ride in black.....ride on.
Posted by: Jarhead || 04/06/2004 14:36 Comments || Top||

#11  Nazgul Attack Helocopter - I get a mental picture of something LARGE, with a powerful enough engine and rotor system to support the A10's GAU-8 cannon, mounts for a dozen HELLFIRE missiles, and capable of doing anything from static hover to speeds of up to 350kph. I can already hear a few Apache drivers drooling...
Posted by: Old Patriot || 04/06/2004 14:37 Comments || Top||

#12  Uhh Lord of the Rings analogies aside--doesn't this sound like a threat to invade/tamper with a sovereign nation such as Pakistan? It would be like Guatemala telling us to start dealing with the Mexican problem or they'll bomb Arizona
Posted by: Anonymous || 04/06/2004 23:51 Comments || Top||

#13  Oops previous post was by the perennial Rantburg fave NMM
Posted by: Not Mike Moore || 04/06/2004 23:53 Comments || Top||

#14  NMM, you leave me disapointed as your arguments are usually better woven. By your logic NMM we should have respected the Taliban's right to provide safe haven for AQ.

You analogy is also logically challenged. A correct parallel would be Canada complaining that we are allowing cattle rustlers to run amok in Canada from border safe havens in Montana. They would certainly be within their rights to come across the border and whack some rustlers if our failure to maintain law and order in a contiguous area was posing an unacceptable security problem to them. Unfortunately for my analogy to really work, Canada would need to own a larger military. :-)
Posted by: Super Hose || 04/07/2004 0:19 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Private guards repel Mahdi Army attack on US HQ in Najaf
An attack by hundreds of Iraqi militia members on the U.S. government's headquarters in Najaf on Sunday was repulsed not by the U.S. military, but by eight commandos from a private security firm, according to sources familiar with the incident.
Any of these 8 guys have the last name "Rourke"?
Before U.S. reinforcements could arrive, the firm, Blackwater Security Consulting, sent in its own helicopters amid an intense firefight to resupply its commandos with ammunition and to ferry out a wounded Marine, the sources said. The role of Blackwater's commandos in Sunday's fighting in Najaf illuminates the gray zone between their formal role as bodyguards and the realities of operating in an active war zone. Thousands of armed private security contractors are operating in Iraq in a wide variety of missions and exchanging fire with Iraqis every day, according to informal after-action reports from several companies.

In Sunday's fighting, Shiite militia forces barraged the Blackwater commandos, four MPs and a Marine gunner with rocket-propelled grenades and AK-47 fire for hours before U.S. Special Forces troops arrived. A sniper on a nearby roof apparently wounded three men. U.S. troops faced heavy fighting in several Iraqi cities that day. The Blackwater commandos, most of whom are former Special Forces troops, are on contract to provide security for the U.S.-led Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) in Najaf. With their ammunition nearly gone, a wounded and badly bleeding Marine on the rooftop, and no reinforcement by the U.S. military in the immediate offing, the company sent in helicopters to drop ammunition and pick up the Marine. The identity of the Marine and two other wounded men could not be established, but their blood was still fresh hours later, when the top U.S. commander in Iraq, Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, and spokesman Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt arrived to survey the battle zone. Without commenting at a news conference yesterday on the role of the Blackwater guards, Kimmitt described what he saw after the fighting ended. "I know on a rooftop yesterday in An Najaf, with a small group of American soldiers and coalition soldiers . . . who had just been through about 3 1/2 hours of combat, I looked in their eyes, there was no crisis. They knew what they were here for. They'd lost three wounded. We were sitting there among the bullet shells -- the bullet casings -- and, frankly, the blood of their comrades, and they were absolutely confident."

During the defense of the authority headquarters, thousands of rounds were fired and hundreds of 40mm grenades shot. Sources who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of Blackwater's work in Iraq reported an unspecified number of casualties among Iraqis. A spokesman for Blackwater confirmed that the company has a contract to provide security to the CPA but would not describe the incident that unfolded Sunday. A Defense Department spokesman said that there were no military reports about the opening hours of the siege on CPA headquarters in Najaf because there were no military personnel on the scene. The Defense Department often does not have a clear handle on the daily actions of security contractors because the contractors work directly for the coalition authority, which coordinates and communicates on a limited basis through the normal military chain of command.

The four men brutally slain Wednesday in Fallujah were also Blackwater employees and were operating in the Sunni triangle area under more hazardous conditions -- unarmored cars with no apparent backup -- than the U.S. military or the CIA permit. One senior Blackwater manager has described those killings to U.S. government officials as the result of a "high-quality" attack as skilled as one that can be mounted by U.S. Special Forces, according to a copy of a report on the incident obtained by The Washington Post. The four victims of that attack, according to Blackwater spokesman Chris Bertelli, were escorting trucks carrying either food or kitchen equipment for Regency Hotel and Hospitality. Regency is a subcontractor to Eurest Support Services (ESS), a division of the Compass Group, the world's largest food service company. ESS provides food services to more than a dozen U.S. military dining facilities in Iraq, according to news accounts. Blackwater, a security and training company based in Moyock, N.C., prides itself on the high caliber of its personnel, many of whom are former U.S. Navy SEALs. It has 450 employees in Iraq, many of them providing security to CPA employees, including the U.S. administrator, L. Paul Bremer, and to VIPs visiting Iraq.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 04/06/2004 12:48:16 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  8????

hundreds v. 8????

That's what happens when we're pissed off.
Posted by: Anonymous2U || 04/06/2004 1:20 Comments || Top||

#2  Someday somebody is going to write the book.
Posted by: Lucky || 04/06/2004 1:20 Comments || Top||

#3  Damn! I was just going to post this. Still, I recommend people hitting the link for the picture of the guys on the parapet...it is almost like John Wayne at Fort Apache, or at the Alamo. Or Gary Cooper in the Hidu Kush.

I suppose I an still a little torn on the "Contractor," question...though probably not for the reasons most people give. The pay differential between the Contractors and regular soldiers is I think a real concern...but beyond this, I suppose that I don't want them guarding food convoys, I want them doing what they are doing in this story...major combat. I'd actually like to see Contractors working much more closely with the military and with some coordination of efforts.

The thought being, It the talent is there, and you’re paying for it, use them as effectively as possible.
Posted by: Traveller || 04/06/2004 1:37 Comments || Top||

#4  I speak without actual knowledge or experience but it seems that Blackwater is operating as a traditional privateer, showing what motivated firms can do in the war on terrorism.
Posted by: badanov || 04/06/2004 1:37 Comments || Top||

#5  A Small Oops...the link to this story is WP, while the image I refered to is over at msnbc, but it is the same story:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4672324/
Posted by: Traveller || 04/06/2004 1:43 Comments || Top||

#6  Not at all sure what you mean badanov. A privateer is someone who goes out and seizes or kills, wages war as a private entity for the state. Offensive operations seem to be clearly needed to satisfy that requirement.

Offering defensive capabilities does not make one a privateer in any sense I can see. Being effective at self defense also is no reason to class these guys as either privateers, or mercenaries.
Posted by: Ben || 04/06/2004 6:05 Comments || Top||

#7  Blackwater Guards

Not a bad name for a quasi official shooter unit.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/06/2004 8:47 Comments || Top||

#8  Beware R-Burgers, the website for Blackwater is http://www.blackwaterusa.com , not just blackwater-dot-whatever. A pop-up from one of those sites gave my work computer a nasty Trojan horse, had to ghost my whole system.
Posted by: Bodyguard || 04/06/2004 9:49 Comments || Top||

#9  So the U.S. contracts a private company to provide security in a dangerous area. Sounds like a win/win for the U.S. and the company. And in my economics class that what we called supply and demand. The people hired by Blackwater are not dumb kids off the streets or economic misfits they are professionals. That is why eight guards can defend against 100 zealots. FYI companies like Blackwater also keep pressure on Narco-terrorists in South America. Again it’s a win/win for the U.S. and a company.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 04/06/2004 10:22 Comments || Top||

#10  Sounds a little like one of my favorite movies:

"It's a miracle."

"If it's a miracle, Colour Sergeant, it's a short chamber Boxer Henry point four five caliber miracle."

"And a bayonet, sir, with some guts behind."
Posted by: Mike || 04/06/2004 10:31 Comments || Top||

#11  I would like too have that book they are going to write lucky
Posted by: smokeysinse || 04/06/2004 10:43 Comments || Top||

#12  I always thought contractors drove bulldozers. It's nice to see them branching out into pest removal.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 04/06/2004 10:48 Comments || Top||

#13  Any of these 8 guys have the last name "Rourke"?

I get your drift...
Posted by: mojo || 04/06/2004 10:52 Comments || Top||

#14  A privateer is a state sanctioned pirate,who siezes/disrupts the enemy line of supply.Part of the profit incentive is the contractor keeeps all or part of the sieziure of enemy supplies and goods.
When you think privateer think of Sir Francis Drake.
Using the above deffinition Blackwater employees are not privateers.
Posted by: Raptor || 04/06/2004 11:07 Comments || Top||

#15  I believe it should be "Roarke."
Posted by: Infidel Bob || 04/06/2004 12:53 Comments || Top||

#16  Hmmmm... perhaps the NGO's out to be stocking up on dual purpose mealie bags.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/06/2004 16:19 Comments || Top||

#17  here's a pic of these guys... just another day at the office.......

Posted by: mercutio || 04/06/2004 17:04 Comments || Top||

#18  here's a pic of these guys... just another day at the office.......

Posted by: mercutio || 04/06/2004 17:05 Comments || Top||

#19  mea culpa (duh).

try http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4672324/
Posted by: mercutio || 04/06/2004 17:07 Comments || Top||

#20  My whole point in trying out the term privateer was that as long as a company is conducting security tasks in a war zone, they cannot by definition be considered to be mercenaries, and while security consulting and providing security is their business, I would think the gentleman at the CPA HQs gunfight don't consider whether they are in offensive or defensive operations. They are providing security in lieu of available military forces, and that makes them privateers. Once the shooting starts, the word security takes on an entirely different connotation.

And in the event of letters of marque being granted by Congress or DOD, having the prospect of capturing and using enemy beans and bullets to me would be a definitive disincentive to conduct active offensive military operations.

You gotta admit, this considerable feat of arms is unlike what I would consider a security team's task even if it is in a war zone.

Not trying to start an argument, but do you understand what I mean?
Posted by: badanov || 04/06/2004 18:14 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Jamaat-e-Islami sez they ain't no cop killers
The Jamaat-e-Islami has ridiculed the Muttahida Qaumi Movement charge that it was behind the killing of five policemen in a terrorist attack on the Gulistan-e-Jauhar police station early on Sunday.
"Yeah! Dat's ridiculous! We're laughin', see?"
The accusation is contained in the MQM’s first official reaction to the “open act of terrorism,” a statement by Imran Farooq, although the London-based party convenor refrained from naming the Jamaat. However, another MQM statement quoting the party’s “intelligence wing”, which gave supposed details of the operation, named the Jamaat and charged one of its local leaders with supervising the crime. Mr Farooq, whose statement also has purported details, implicated “a so-called religious party,” the MQM’s familiar shorthand for the Jamaat, jihadi outfits affiliated with it and Haqiqi “terrorists”. According to his statement, four or five vehicles arrived around 1am Sunday at the home of a member of the “so-called religious party” in Zohra Nagar for a meeting. “Only a few hours later, armed terrorists attacked the police station,” Dr Farooq says.
Quite a coincidence, huh?
“Very recently, the terrorists of this so-called religious party attacked this police station to free a few of their arrested accomplices. This incident was reported in all newspapers. It may be recalled that an important member of Al Qaeda was arrested from the house of a Jamaat-e-Islami office-bearer,” it said, referring to the arrest last year of an Arab at the house of a Jamaat woman leader in Karachi. The Jamaat has tried to turn the tables on the MQM through the Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal. An MMA spokesman dismissed the charge and alleged that the MQM’s intelligence wing spied for London and Washington.
"So y'can't believe nuttin' dey say, even if it's right, see?"
He asked which clause of the Political Parties Act allowed the MQM to form an intelligence wing in the first place and demanded that investigations into the policemen’s killing be supervised by a Sindh High Court judge and that the governor not interfere in the probe. The police say that since they are still investigating the crime, it would be premature to hold any group or individual responsible.
"So it's not necessary to bump off any more cops, okay?"
The MQM virtually rules the province with the Home Department under its thumb, but is again acting like an exasperated opposition. It can initiate action in the light of its findings, if they indeed are findings, but is confining itself to supplying unsupported details about the attack on the police station, as if it were merely an informed but helpless spectator. The MQM is the leading coalition partner in Sindh. Governor Ishratul Ibad was the MQM’s convenor, second only to Altaf Hussain, when he assumed his position at the end of 2002 after returning from exile in London. His position may be administrative in constitutional terms, but he has been calling the shots from day one. Home adviser Aftab Shaikh is former deputy convenor. So it is incomprehensible why the party has to rely on the publication of “intelligence” reports to support its charges, rather than simply move against the accused - provided it can furnish evidence. It could begin by apprehending the Jamaat official who hosted the conspiratorial meeting.
Assuming it wants to engage in open warfare with the thugs, gunnies, and beturbanned snuffies guarding him...
There is no denying that the Jamaat-e-Islami is just as armed as the MQM, that it has a history of violence (its student wing in particular) and that it is capable of political crimes the same as the MQM and Haqiqi. But the MQM’s position is so patently silly that few people should sympathise.
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#1  [Troll droppings deleted]
Posted by: Man Bites Dog TROLL || 04/06/2004 5:50 Comments || Top||

#2  The MQM has for a long time advocated banning the JI, as a terrorist group, which they are. In fact, the JI is a minor presence in Sindh. And many Sindhis look on these jihadis - most of whom are Pashtos and Punjabis - as foreign occupiers. At least one-third of Sindhis are separatists, and would like nothing better than to remove themselves from the Pakistan terror state. Bollywood films do better in Sindh than the rest of Musharaf's piece of junk country. The US government should be encouraging Waziri, Balochi and Sindhi separatism, rather than supporting Mushy and his nuclear jihad policies.
Posted by: Man Bites Dog TROLL || 04/06/2004 5:50 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Zarqawi tape rails against US, Iraqi Shi'ites
JORDANIAN Mussab al-Zarqawi, the alleged leader of a network in Iraq believed responsible for several attacks there, threatened US-led forces in a recording broadcast Monday on an Islamist website. In the message said to have originated from inside Iraq, Zarqawi claimed that his "heroic Mujahedin have killed more than 200 soldiers from the coalition of the crusaders."
"Yeah! We're stackin' up infidels like cord wood!"
Taking credit for several attacks, Zarqawi said "the most recent and not the last was against the Israeli Mossad in the Jabal Lubnan hotel. We have torn up their bodies in several places: at the UN in Baghdad, coalition forces in Kerbala, the Italians in Nasirijah, American forces on the al-Khalidiya bridge, US intelligence agents at the Hotel Chahine and the presidential palace in Baghdad, the CIA at the Hotel Rachid, Polish forces at Hilla." An expert on Islamist organizations said that the voice on the tape was identical to that of three previous recordings attributed to Zarqawi, who is suspected of links to al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden, and like him, has had a bounty of US$10 million placed on his head by US authorities. In his message Zaraqawi also sharply criticizes Iraq's majority Shiite Muslims as a "Trojan horse used by the enemies of the nation" to take over the country. He also had sharp words for the spiritual head of Iraq's Shiite majority, Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani, who has appealed for calm and urged dialog amid recent clashes between Shiite militias and coalition troops, calling him the "imam of atheism". "The Shiites are the allies of the Jews and Americans. They are helping kill Muslims," he said.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 04/06/2004 12:42:45 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  *Yawns* So what else is new?
Posted by: Ptah || 04/06/2004 13:36 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Afghan soldier killed in Zabul
One Afghan soldier was killed and five wounded when their joint convoy with United States-led troops hit a roadside bomb in south-eastern Afghanistan, a US military official said on Monday. "There was a coalition convoy with Afghan National Army (ANA), it was hit with an improvised explosive device east of Qalat," US Lieutenant Colonel Bryan Hilferty told a news conference in Kabul. "One ANA soldier was killed and one ANA soldier was seriously injured and four were slightly injured," Hilferty said, adding that the US-led soldiers did not suffer any casualties in the incident on Saturday. Hilferty said the soldiers were patrolling as part of the ongoing US-led Operation Mountain Storm which focuses on the south, east and south-east of the country and is aimed at capturing Taliban and al-Qaeda officials including Osama bin Laden and fugitive Taliban leader Mullah Omar. On Sunday, a senior Afghan military official in the border region said that about 150 al-Qaeda and Taliban had crossed over the border since early March. However, Hilferty said American soldiers had not noticed a large number of militants crossing the porous 2 400km border recently.

Added:
Afghan and American forces are preparing to attack some 150 militants hiding in mountains near the rugged Pakistani border, an Afghan commander said Monday.
Zakim Khan, the commander of the Afghan 822nd border regiment, said the gunmen were holed up in the Sar Hawza and Marzak areas of Paktika province, some 100 miles south of the capital, Kabul. Paktika adjoins a region of Pakistan where Pakistani troops fought fierce battles with al-Qaida suspects last month. Khan said he had no information on who the militants were or if they had crossed the porous frontier. "They have AK-47s, machine-guns and rocket-propelled grenades," Khan told The Associated Press by telephone. "I can't say if they are Arabs, Chechens or Taliban."
Maybe all of the above.
Not that it matters...
As long as they're all dead...
Khan said his men were awaiting for orders from the Afghan Defense Ministry in Kabul to being a search of the area for the militants. He said he expected troops and aircraft from the U.S.-led coalition to join the operation.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 04/06/2004 12:40:34 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Priase Allan! The first syncro-hue post?
Posted by: Shipman || 04/06/2004 18:02 Comments || Top||

#2  The RB tag team in action...
Posted by: PBMcL || 04/06/2004 19:08 Comments || Top||


Africa: Horn
Al-Qaeda link to attacks on UN aid workers
The interior minister of the northern region of breakaway Somaliland, Ismail Aden Osman, has disclosed that a local group of fighters linked to Al-Qaeda network had carried out the recent killings of foreign aid workers in the area. A Kenyan aid worker was killed and a German was injured in the region recently. Both of them were working for the German Agency for Technical Assistance and were attacked near the town of Berbera. The minister said five suspects were arrested for questioning. He said the suspects had told interrogators all the attacks were launched by members of the same extremist group. “The detainees said, ‘our aim is to kill every agency (humanitarian) worker for we believe that they should not remain in this country.' The detainees told the investigating committee that every region in Somaliland has an Al-Qaeda leader,” Osman was quoted as saying. He said the suspects may also have links to a Somali resistance group called Al-Itihad Al-Islamiya. He said the rebels’ base was in the Somali capital, Mogadishu. “They (the detainees) confessed that the SOS teachers were targeted because they were spreading (fundamentalist) Christianity,” Osman said. The minister added that the detainees had told interrogators they did not know the names of their commanders; they knew only their immediate superior, for the sake of operational security.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 04/06/2004 12:37:25 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Iraq-Jordan
Al-Sadr threat comes to a head
Moqtada al-Sadr has been a menace to the U.S.-led coalition here since the day after Saddam Hussein's regime fell. Al-Sadr and his followers were immediately cast as suspects in the slaying April 10 of Abdul Majid al-Khoei, a Shiite Muslim clergyman whose moderate brand of politics had engendered U.S. support. On Sunday, al-Sadr, a chunky, 30-year-old aspiring Shiite political force, established himself as something more: a violent adversary. The violence he has inspired is posing a threat to Iraq's stability as a June 30 deadline for handing authority to Iraqis approaches. Al-Sadr reportedly turned down an appeal Monday from other Shiite leaders to end the violence. He was barricaded in a mosque in Kufah, about 100 miles south of Baghdad. Gun-toting militiamen were stationed outside the mosque.

Al-Sadr has taken an unusual path to prominence in post-Saddam Iraq. He is a low-level cleric but does not have the religious qualifications that are a prerequisite in Shiite law to assume political leadership. A radical known for his big mouth fiery rhetoric, he inherited his popularity mainly from his father, Ayatollah Mohammed al-Sadr, who was assassinated in 1999 along with two other sons, probably on Saddam's orders. Shiite clergy and political leaders say al-Sadr has pursued a strategy of opposition — both to the traditional Shiite political and clerical structure and to the coalition — to raise his profile and find support largely among the poor in the Baghdad slum of Sadr City. The slum, formerly known as Saddam City, was renamed for al-Sadr's father after Saddam was toppled. "The people following Muqtada are limited in number," says Sheik Abas Reza, caretaker of Sayed Idris mosque, one of Baghdad's holiest Shiite places of worship. "He is not part of the (official) clergy and not a political authority. People give him respect because of his father." But Reza and others say that the coalition was slow to respond to Iraqi needs in the immediate aftermath of the war. That has allowed al-Sadr to find a needy constituency among the young and disaffected in Iraq, they say. "America's slow performance has provoked problems and put them in this trouble," Reza says. "It makes the job of Muqtada and others easy."

Al-Sadr doesn't have the standing of Iraq's leading Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, who has counseled patience while pushing for more political representation for Shiites in Iraq's future government. Sistani has remained a largely oracle-like figure who has stayed above the fray even while challenging the coalition on some points. Al-Sadr "has put his followers in a questionable situation," Reza says. "The (Shiite) clergy will have nothing to do with him directly." A widespread uprising would be difficult to suppress, particularly while coalition forces are battling an insurgency in the "Sunni Triangle" west of Baghdad. However, coalition officials say the Shiite violence is the work of an illegal militia group and does not represent widespread Shiite dissatisfaction.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 04/06/2004 12:33:21 AM || Comments || Link || [8 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Find where al Sadr is getting his money, given that his followers are a minority and poor.

Betcha it leads to Iran and the Revolutionary Guards. And some Saudi businessmen.

The whole place is a cesspool - and thats why they are fighting this so hard: the biggest threat to them is a successful secular democracy next door.
Posted by: OldSpook || 04/06/2004 0:54 Comments || Top||

#2  For what it's worth, this link is information from the Iranian Student Movement, and they totally agree with you.
Posted by: cingold || 04/06/2004 0:57 Comments || Top||

#3  Al Sadr is calling himself the 'Mahdi' which means the chosen one, and his militia are called the Mahdis. I don't know the religous implications of the name, but there was a Mahdi in 19th century Sudan and the Mahdist army suffered what is probably the most one sided defeat in the history of warfare. In a 5 hour battle 11,000 Mahdists died whereas AngloEgyptian losses amounted to 48 dead and fewer than 400 wounded.

I couldn't find this quote through Google but I recall someone once saying about the battle that 'God may have been on their side, but the Gatling gun was on ours.'
Posted by: Phil B || 04/06/2004 5:46 Comments || Top||

#4  The Mahdi is the Muslim messiah who will rise to unite the Muslims against the evil Dajjal before the Apocalype. Jesus comes along for the ride too.
Posted by: Paul Moloney || 04/06/2004 7:43 Comments || Top||

#5  Heard this morning that as-Sadr is holed up in the main mosque in Najaf - the holiest of Shi'ite shrines.

That fits with the messianic theme.
Posted by: rkb || 04/06/2004 9:03 Comments || Top||

#6  osama going be pissed.
Posted by: muck4doo || 04/06/2004 9:53 Comments || Top||

#7  rkb - Interesting - somewhere in yesterday's series of stories regards Sadr I read that the Kufa Moskkk was the Most Holy Site - which surprised me because I thought it was in Najaf. I obviously need a program... so I've googled and searched and finally found, after enduring about 2 hours of pop-ups and animated insanity (they do love their doo-dads and JS widget-farms), "the list" (on the left-hand side) - and here they are:
0 Mecca (Makkah)
1 Medina
2 Najaf
3 Karbala
4 Kazimayn
5 Kufa
6 Samarra
7 Mashad
8 Qum
9 Damascus
10 Quds
11 Hard Rock Cafe, Baghdad
12 Coke bottle by the side of the road
13 Gum on the bottom of your shoe...

So, indeed, Najaf is Holier than Kufa. I propose a systematic approach: Mekkah is SMH (Shi'a Mean Holiness), thus Kufa is SMH-5. There. All tidied up.

Of course I'll wager you can find a competing site with a different list - or at least a differently ordered list. Lol!
8^)
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 10:11 Comments || Top||

#8  what happen to jerusalim.
Posted by: muck4doo || 04/06/2004 10:18 Comments || Top||

#9  .com, I was certain that Dearborn MI would have been farther up on that list.
Posted by: BH || 04/06/2004 10:31 Comments || Top||

#10  14. Anaheim
15. Azuza
16. Kukamonga
Posted by: Alaska Paul on the Road || 04/06/2004 10:55 Comments || Top||

#11  The Mahdi is the Muslim messiah who will rise to unite the Muslims against the evil Dajjal before the Apocalype.

Thanks Paul. I have been in a really apocalyptic mood the last couple of weeks. Maybe a few of these morons getting blown away might lighten my mood.
Posted by: Phil B || 04/06/2004 11:25 Comments || Top||

#12  Phil B - Take heart in Sadr's modesty - I find it to be an inspiration for lesser men, such as myownself. Lol! Feeling apocalyptic strikes me as both appropriate and timely. The time between now and July 1st (or shortly thereafter) should provide you / us with quite a number of glimpses... the Eye of Mordor, as JH puts it, falling upon deserving jihadis and ending the use of the Triangle as a haven for those killing our troops. That day will be something to celebrate, and we've finally taken that path.
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 11:41 Comments || Top||

#13  .com, you left Pascal's Manale off the list altogether. No more barbecue shrimp for you, infidel.
Posted by: Matt || 04/06/2004 11:47 Comments || Top||

#14  Matt - Lol! Yeah - off their list, but my list looks like this:
0 Sonny Bryan's BBQ - Dallas - (closed I'm told)
1 Pascale's Manale - Nawlens
2 Marnee Thai - San Francisco
3 La Mesa De Capitan - Zihuatanejo - (closed I'm told)
4 Bucca de Beppo - Dallas
5 Four Seasons - Las Colinas (Dallas)
6 Milton's Delicatessen Grill - Del Mar / Solana Beach (San Diego)
7 Brennan's - Nawlens
8 Texas State Fair Corndogs - Dallas
9 Ruth's Chris - Everywhere
10 Seafood Market - Del Mar / Solana Beach (San Diego)
11 San Jacinto Inn - San Jacinto (Houston) - (closed)
12 Keller's Drive In - Dallas
Posted by: .com || 04/06/2004 12:36 Comments || Top||

#15  Now that's a list of places to take refuge in.
Posted by: Matt || 04/06/2004 12:47 Comments || Top||

#16  muck4doo: what happen to jerusalim.

Quds, ranked number 10, is the Muslim name for Jerusalem. In case you're wondering why there's a Muslim name for Jerusalem, think of another holy city, the Orthodox faith's Vatican City - Constantinople - the Muslim name for that is Istanbul. Ephesus, Galatia and so on, no longer exist under their tradtional Greek names - all bear Muslim names.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 04/06/2004 13:03 Comments || Top||

#17  Phil B. #3,
Your line is similar to my favorite:
"Whatever happens, we have got /
The Maxim Gun, and they have not."
Not a lot of daily-life opportunities to use this quote, though.
Posted by: (lowercase) Matt || 04/06/2004 13:37 Comments || Top||

#18  From Belmont Club:
No other religion is so enmeshed in its cult of martyrdom. The Shiites believe that all of their imams after Ali died a sacrificial death. A small minority only acknowledges seven imams (like the Ismailites), while most consider themselves part of the twelve imam Shia. The twelfth in the sequence of their leaders is said to have suffered an unusual fate. Little Mohammed, born in 869, was hidden by his father and then disappeared. Most Shiites believe that the "hidden imam," or "Mahdi," will reappear one day and will take the helm of the party of Ali to claim the legitimate rights of its ancestors and lead his followers into paradise.

Posted by: Frank G || 04/06/2004 13:49 Comments || Top||

#19  thanks for the info zang fei. one always learn something new evryday! personaly im thinking jerusalim sound better. quds sound like some kind of laundry detergent.
Posted by: muck4doo || 04/06/2004 14:53 Comments || Top||

#20  Thanks for the link MuckMan an excellent sight. I'll bet that hidden Mahdi is living with the twins in the Tower O' London. (Unranked)
Posted by: Shipman || 04/06/2004 16:25 Comments || Top||

#21  #5 Heard this morning that as-Sadr is holed up in the main mosque in Najaf - the holiest of Shi'ite shrines.

Just how fucking many holy sites do they need. For a religon that views the mere sugestion of the image of the Prophet as sacrilge and From Muhamahds strict call for only the burial of the Low Grave, these clowns sure go in for ehgrandizement. As nuch as I would love to go to Jeruselem (sp) I recongnize the power of Christianity is in the message of the New Testament not in shrines or cathedrals
Posted by: Cheddarhead || 04/06/2004 22:54 Comments || Top||


Healing Iraq: Coup Underway In Baghdad, Elsewhere in Iraq
Hat Tip: Instapundit
This ran last night, as well, along with Zeyad's note that the festivities seemed over...
A coup d’etat is taking place in Iraq a the moment. Al-Shu’la, Al-Hurria, Thawra (Sadr city), and Kadhimiya (all Shi’ite neighbourhoods in Baghdad) have been declared liberated from occupation. Looting has already started at some places downtown, a friend of mine just returned from Sadun street and he says Al-Mahdi militiamen are breaking stores and clinics open and also at Tahrir square just across the river from the Green Zone. News from other cities in the south indicate that Sadr followers (tens of thousands of them) have taken over IP stations and governorate buildings in Kufa, Nassiriya, Ammara, Kut, and Basrah. Al-Jazeera says that policemen in these cities have sided with the Shia insurgents, which doesn’t come as a surprise to me since a large portion of the police forces in these areas were recruited from Shi’ite militias and we have talked about that ages ago. And it looks like this move has been planned a long time ago.

No one knows what is happening in the capital right now. Power has been cut off in my neighbourhood since the afternoon, and I can only hear helicopters, massive explosions, and continuous shooting nearby. The streets are empty, someone told us half an hour ago that Al-Mahdi are trying to take over our neighbourhood and are being met by resistance from Sunni hardliners. Doors are locked, and AK-47’s are being loaded and put close by in case they are needed. The phone keeps ringing frantically. Baghdadis are horrified and everyone seems to have made up their mind to stay home tomorrow until the situation is clear.
EFL; read the whole thing. At the moment, it looks like they’re following the classic Tet pattern: even if they wind up losing, all they have to do is massacre enough civilians, and blame the US, just as happened at Hue, and all the useful idiots will be able to claim moral equivalence, and all the other usual arguments. If anyone has any interesting real information or analysis (not trolling), let me know.
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 04/06/2004 12:11:30 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  My 2c worth. The West could walk away from Vietnam, becuase lets face it we can live without fish sauce. We can't walk away from the Gulf, because we can't live without the oil. We have to reach a solution where the oil still flows, even if its .com's 40k strip.
Posted by: phil_b || 04/06/2004 0:18 Comments || Top||

#2  Phil,zeyad, updated his post later in the day.
UPDATE: Sorry for the depressing note. It seems like everything is back under control, at least from what I can see in my neighbourhood. There is an eerie silence outside, only dogs barking. Until about an hour ago, it sounded like a battlefield, and we had flashbacks of last April. I don't know what happened, but there were large plumes of smoke from the direction of Adhamiya and Kadhimiya. I wanted to take some pictures but my father and uncle both said they would shoot me on the spot if I tried, they were afraid the Apaches would mistake us for troublemakers and fire at us. I'm dreading tomorrow.
Posted by: GK || 04/06/2004 0:38 Comments || Top||

#3  This is the post I thought had gone into the memory hole; Fred, is it possible to move the comments to the other post?

And Phil_B: We could live without oil. All we'd have to do is build more nuclear plants and use them to make synfuels with. But we can't live without Lower Manhattan, and the dictatorships in the Middle East could make enough money selling oil to Japan and Western Europe to finance one hell of a terrorist campaign agaist us.
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 04/06/2004 0:44 Comments || Top||

#4  As I posted in reply to this article yesterday:

There are at most 5000 or so Sadr militant followers.

Many of the leaders were killed when they showed who they were.

The looting was opportunitic thuggery - no ideology involved, just greed.

Sadr is now a wanted criminal.

Sistani has condemned him and his followers.

They were holding children up as shields when coalition forces returned fire, in order to cause children to be killed.

This tells you the nature of Sadr and his leach holder sin Iraq.

As for "Tet"

No Ho Chi Minh trail

No Communist CHina next door.

No jungle canopy to fade thier logistics into.

No rebels fighting for freedom (They wnat to impose repression).

No General Giap on their side, no Johnson and Westmoreland micromanaging on our side.

In short: no Tet.
Posted by: OldSpook || 04/06/2004 0:48 Comments || Top||

#5  oops - wrote my reply while you were posting your correction request...
Posted by: OldSpook || 04/06/2004 1:02 Comments || Top||

#6  I liked your point about Westmoreland and Johnson, Old Spook. You forgot MacNamara, though!

It's hard to imagine that three more linear, non-intuitive, inside the box thinkers ever lived. Leaders who can look into the chaos and find opportunity are rare. So far we seem to be blessed to have Bush and Rumsfield.
Posted by: Anonymous4033 || 04/06/2004 1:37 Comments || Top||

#7  PF I agree with you but its been what 30 years since a new nuclear power plant has been built in the USA and most other Western countries. France and Canada being notable exceptions. I consider the objections to nuclear energy deeply irrational but I don't see that irrationality going away anytime soon.
Posted by: phil_b || 04/06/2004 2:10 Comments || Top||

#8  phil_b - the irrationality will mysteriously disappear when a majority of the people are sitting in the dark and shivering...

Then we can burn the LLL's furniture 'til the plants are online...
Posted by: PBMcL || 04/06/2004 2:36 Comments || Top||

#9  OldSpook

The problem never was the jungle, the NVA or General Giap. The problem was the Jane Fondas, the John Kerrys and the biased journalists who reported false news and destroyed America's will to fight. They are still there.
Posted by: JFM || 04/06/2004 4:48 Comments || Top||

#10  JFM, I think that Old Spook has pointed out that Johnson, McNamara and Johnson ignored Von Clauswitz's lesson about mobilizing the countries will. The counted the enemy KIA's and the outhouses bombed and as you pointed out, let the public opinion happen. They should have driven public opinion.
Posted by: Super Hose || 04/06/2004 5:03 Comments || Top||

#11  Disagree JFM. General Giap was one hell of a problem.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/06/2004 8:51 Comments || Top||

#12  The sky is not falling!

"The sky is not falling. The decision to confront the Muqtada al-Sadr's challenge to rule-of-law and liberty will cause a short-term spike in violence, but lead to long-term improvement. Iraqis see any failure to defend rule-of-law as Coalition weakness. How could the United States be serious about democracy, Iraqis ask, when we left such a challenge to rule-of-law go unchallenged? Thankfully, Iraqis now know that we will meet challenges head-on. It is a lesson that should also be understood in Syria and Iran."
--Michael Rubin, NRO
Posted by: Dragon Fly || 04/06/2004 8:51 Comments || Top||

#13  Shipman

General Giap was a problem but not THE problem: the leaders of North Vietnam were well aware, at least after Tet, that victory or defeat didn't depend on Giap's ability (the planned new Dien Bien Phu at Khe Sanh was a crushing defeat) but on the speed yellow livered "pacifists", caviar leftists and dishonest journalists were destroying popular support for war.

Read the chapter about Tet in Victor David HAnson's book "Carnage and culture"
Posted by: JFM || 04/06/2004 9:13 Comments || Top||

#14  I'll read the book JFM.... but still Giap was a General with the necessary gifts specific for the time/place. A tough SOB.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/06/2004 10:18 Comments || Top||

#15  Phil - Maybe you can live without fish sauce. My life hasn't been the same...
Posted by: Fred || 04/06/2004 10:30 Comments || Top||

#16  I just read a news story on JFK & Jackie - he couldn't keep up his end of the bargain and fell asleep.

She liked MacNamara because they both liked poetry.
Posted by: Anonymous2U || 04/06/2004 11:11 Comments || Top||

#17  No blood for fish sauce.
Posted by: Matt || 04/06/2004 11:40 Comments || Top||

#18  OldSpook, when people compare this with TET they (at least I) mean that it will likely be a military victory for the US, that is spun and spun back home hoping to make it into a political defeat.

Oddly enough its a bit anti-tet if you compare the Marine situation. They are besieging Fallujia while during Tet they were under siege in Khe Shan .
Posted by: Ruprecht || 04/06/2004 11:59 Comments || Top||

#19  Oops. The anonymous above is me.
Posted by: 11A5S || 04/06/2004 12:27 Comments || Top||

#20  No communist China, but there is Iran. Anyone who thinks that they are not Sadr's puppet master is kidding themselves. He may not be a good puppet all the time, but I'm pretty sure he is not calling the ultimate shots. I wonder how many of his Mahdi "army" are actually Iranian Revolutionary Guards. More than a few is my bet.

I just don't get the sense that Americans want to run away from this fight. Even the Dem's know that we can't just pull out. Fat Teddy may bloviate, but even he understands (I think) that we can't let Iraq devolve into a terrorist cesspool.
Posted by: remote man || 04/06/2004 12:45 Comments || Top||

#21  The sad thing is the bad guys probably think they can get the US to turn tail and run because of all the things the wacky left has said. I don't think the Iranians understand Kucinich is not taken seriously.
Posted by: ruprecht || 04/06/2004 19:30 Comments || Top||



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