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2019-12-11 Home Front: Culture Wars
The Fall of the Deep State and 1989's Fall of Communism
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Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-12-11 05:45|| || Front Page|| [11134 views ]  Top

#1 
Well I sure wish they could get what Ceausescu got.
Posted by Dron66046 2019-12-11 06:22||   2019-12-11 06:22|| Front Page Top

#2  It will not end well for them.


We can but hope.
Posted by AlanC 2019-12-11 07:21||   2019-12-11 07:21|| Front Page Top

#3 Remember though,

- Russia broke up into several states

- its an old KGB guy now in charge of rump Russia

- who is fixated upon re-annexing the older parts, by force if necessary
Posted by Procopius2k 2019-12-11 07:31||   2019-12-11 07:31|| Front Page Top

#4 What P2P said. Not sure I'd want to be associated with Gorbachev and the complete collapse of the nation that his movement, unwittingly, set in motion.

Gorbachev tried to make minor tweaks to a monstrous system.

He's much more similar, if you need an American referent, to a hybrid of Obama (cf Obamacare esp.) and W: an incompetent figurehead for a desiccated and corrupt elite, completely out of his depth, a puppet of the Deep State.

The other analogy one could make is between the Yeltsin-era Russian oligarchs and our own wannabe tech oligarchs. The rise of each group to dizzying heights of wealth and political sway was impossible without a complete breakdown of regulatory oversight and enforcement of the nation's laws.
Posted by Lex 2019-12-11 08:00||   2019-12-11 08:00|| Front Page Top

#5 Procopius2k, Russia did not break up into many states, the Soviet Union broke up.

If enough people in Puerto Rico, or Samoa, or Guam want to leave the Union I don't think they'll get much of a fight from the rest of the US. Maybe a few of the perpetually Canadian-bound liberals can set up shop in one of these new nations.
Posted by ruprecht 2019-12-11 08:22||   2019-12-11 08:22|| Front Page Top

#6 Gorbachev is despised throughout the former Soviet Union.

He was a stupid rube, a stooge of the Politburo whose half-baked pseudo-reforms set in motion a decade of utter chaos, misery and impoverishment for the peoples of that nation.
Along the way, he ordered the killing of 14 Lithuanian peaceful protestors.

If any US figure resembles Gorbachev it's Obama.
Posted by Lex 2019-12-11 08:42||   2019-12-11 08:42|| Front Page Top

#7 I think if Gawd were done with America, and the people had suicidally somehow voted in Bernie Sanders, he'd be the perfect reincarnation of Gorbachev. Hell, he'd have disunited the USA itself.
Posted by Dron66046 2019-12-11 09:52||   2019-12-11 09:52|| Front Page Top

#8 Just occurred to me, there's another major difference. The people who run Soviet Union were Russian patriots (or chauvinists if you like). These people hate USA.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-12-11 09:55||   2019-12-11 09:55|| Front Page Top

#9 The Russian Empire circa 1914 (pre-Soviet)
Posted by Procopius2k 2019-12-11 09:58||   2019-12-11 09:58|| Front Page Top

#10 Nora Roberts on CBS News last night barely mentioned the Articles of Impeachment. She was nowhere near as breathless as when she reported on the "bombshell testimony" in the early days of the Schiff hearings and it was not the lead story. Instead, she was preoccupied with the shooting in New Jersey. When you've lost CBS, your a loser.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2019-12-11 14:04||   2019-12-11 14:04|| Front Page Top

#11 As for Russia, you would have to be a crooked moron to let something like the USSR or the pre-1914 Russian Empire slip through your fingers. Putin may be crooked but he is no moron. OTOH, there are Baraq, Hillary, Jeb, Pelosi, Schifferbrains and Nadler; crooked morons all.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2019-12-11 14:09||   2019-12-11 14:09|| Front Page Top

#12 Procopius2k, the map makes a decent case but it was an empire. Empires are comprised of many states brought together, occasionally with the conquerors name applied to the whole.

Claiming India is Britain doesn't make it so just because they were members of the same Empire.
Posted by rjschwarz 2019-12-11 15:07||   2019-12-11 15:07|| Front Page Top

#13 Russia < Russian Federation < USSR < Russian Empire
Posted by Lex 2019-12-11 15:35||   2019-12-11 15:35|| Front Page Top

#14 Nb. "Ukraine" and "Byelorussia/Belarus" have never been distinct in any meaningful way from the land of Rus or Russia
Posted by Lex 2019-12-11 15:44||   2019-12-11 15:44|| Front Page Top

#15 The deep state will not have died until a wooden stake is pounded through its evil heart.
Posted by Alaska Paul 2019-12-11 17:30||   2019-12-11 17:30|| Front Page Top

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