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2006-11-21 Fifth Column
6 imams removed from flight at Twin Cities airport, questioned
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Posted by RD 2006-11-21 02:43|| || Front Page|| [11129 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Three of them stood and said their normal evening prayers together on the plane

What made these goons think standing up on a plane and chanting Allah Akbar in Arabic was going to win friends? That old cause and effect thing again.
Posted by Thinemp Whimble2412 2006-11-21 08:57||   2006-11-21 08:57|| Front Page Top

#2 I see no discrimination - just disturbing the peace and bothering other passengers! I'm sure that if 6 Evangelists, or 6 rabbis stood up and started praying they would be thrown off the plane too.
Posted by jim 2006-11-21 09:04||   2006-11-21 09:04|| Front Page Top

#3 Lileks adds something interesting:



Hmmm. According to the TV, the men said they were in town for “a religious conference.” Interesting. I was talking today with a guy I know; he’d been at a suburban hotel for an annual company sales meeting. The regional manager was having a difficult time speaking, since the party in the next conference room was praying about as loudly as is humanly possible, and had followed the prayers with a speaker who expressed in rather . . . forceful terms the depth of Muslim oppression in America. Unless there are several Muslim religious conferences going on in Minneapolis at the moment, I’d guess that might be the one. If so, I wonder if the reported truculence of the men might have been influenced, or at least reinforced, by the speaker. Whoever he was.


Sounds like they were pumped up on hate Allah and wanted the moment to last.
Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford  2006-11-21 09:07|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2006-11-21 09:07|| Front Page Top

#4 "It is the duty of all men in society, publicly, and at stated seasons, to worship the SUPREME BEING, the great Creator and Preserver of the universe. And no subject shall be hurt, molested, or restrained, in his person, liberty, or estate, for worshipping GOD in the manner most agreeable to the dictates of his own conscience; or for his religious profession or sentiments provided he doth not disturb the public peace, or obstruct others in their religious worship."

John Adams (Thoughts on Government, 1776)
Reference: The Works of John Adams, Charles Adams, ed., 221.

They should have changed their flights to avoid prayer time or used alternate means of travel. I don't want a prayer tower disturbing my peace, either. But if they insist that we be tolerant in the name of freedom of religion, maybe all Muslims flying should be seated next to a zealous evangelical Christian or Jehovah's Witness, armed with tracts and fed Red Bull the entire trip.
Posted by Danielle 2006-11-21 09:40||   2006-11-21 09:40|| Front Page Top

#5 Next time take a car, ragheads. If a group of "imams" stood up on my flight and began to do their chanting, you can bet your bottom dollar that either they or I would be leaving the plane.

Color me unreasonable.
Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-11-21 10:05||   2006-11-21 10:05|| Front Page Top

#6 Public prayer is a deliberate strategy for occupying public space and imposing the presence of islam (in addition of being an excellent tool for conditioning the oummah and sorting out the "mild" who don't pray and submit as much as their neighbors).

John had an excellent comment on this, and how the hindu nationalists reacted to that trick by mass of muslim "indians" (IE by over swamping them with crowds of hindus massing at muslim prayer places).

In France, for example, entire streets of Marseilles, an heavily islamized city, are totally blocked by crowds of kneeling muslims at each and every prayer time.

This is the exact same strategy for individual or small groups prayers.
Posted by anonymous5089 2006-11-21 10:11||   2006-11-21 10:11|| Front Page Top

#7 Mortars come to mind.
Posted by wxjames 2006-11-21 10:26||   2006-11-21 10:26|| Front Page Top

#8 In France, for example, entire streets of Marseilles, an heavily islamized city, are totally blocked by crowds of kneeling muslims at each and every prayer time.

Why does traffic stop?
Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford  2006-11-21 10:35|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2006-11-21 10:35|| Front Page Top

#9 "They took us off the plane, humiliated us in a very disrespectful way," said Omar Shahin, of Phoenix.

As humiliating as having to hop on one foot putting my shoes back on with an open computerbag slung on my sholder, every time I am at ORD?...
Sorry Omar, my being raised a Catholic didn't get you perp walked off the plane, but your failure to curb your own trash within Islam should humiliate you every waking moment.
Posted by Capsu 78 2006-11-21 10:47||   2006-11-21 10:47|| Front Page Top

#10 Aproximately a 50 minutes ago (10:00 am) ABC radio news reported that a "lady passenger" on Flight 300 slipped a note to the flight attendant raising the red flags. It's reported the lady just so happens to be fluent in the language being spoken by the imams. The newscast did not report the exact words of the imams but the lady who overheard them was quite clear "the words were hateful toward the USA and threatening" (at least to the ears of an infidel).

I dare say the words were SOP for a muslim.

Interesting that ABC would report this lady's observation without any slant.
Posted by Mark Z">Mark Z  2006-11-21 10:47||   2006-11-21 10:47|| Front Page Top

#11 Per the article above, it appears Imam Omar Shahin is the spokesman for the Minneapolis Six.

Google the name Omar Shahin.

Omar currently hails from Phoenix where he is (or was) Communications Director for AZ CAIR. Omar heads the program sponsored by CAIR: Training on Islam for the US Military. Omar is head of the Muslim Political Action committee for Phoenix CAIR.

Prior to his arrival in Phoenix he was an imam in Tuson where, shortly after 9-11, he opined that he didn't believe muslims were responsible for 9-11. Omar further noted that in the early 1990's his mosque supported OBL in Afghanistan but once the Russians were driven out and the CIA dropped it's support of OBL so did Omar's mosque. (cough, cough)

Google is a wonderful tool. Too bad the MSM doesn't make use of it.
Posted by Mark Z">Mark Z  2006-11-21 11:25||   2006-11-21 11:25|| Front Page Top

#12 Dems have control of Congress now.
Posted by anonymous2u 2006-11-21 11:26||   2006-11-21 11:26|| Front Page Top

#13 One last comment on this thread and then I'll let it go:

"The six were among passengers who BOARDED Flight 300, bound for Phoenix, AROUND 6:30 p.m., airport spokesman Pat Hogan said."

Prayer time for muzzies in the Minneapolis time zone (per Islam Finder) on Monday was 6:05 p.m.

May be nothing, but the Minneapolis Six didn't board until 6:30 p.m.

One might say they were a bit late getting to their prayers. Note too, per the article, only three of the six were doing evening prayer. One would think evening prayer would be obligatory on all six imams, not just three of them. Hmmm....
Posted by Mark Z">Mark Z  2006-11-21 11:39||   2006-11-21 11:39|| Front Page Top

#14 Other than being reflexively antiAmerican and dependent on Saudi oil money, what do Democrats have in common with CAIR?
Posted by RWV 2006-11-21 11:42||   2006-11-21 11:42|| Front Page Top

#15 Shahin expressed frustration that _ despite extensive efforts by him and other Muslim leaders since even before the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks _ so many Americans know so little about Islam

FU Mr. Imam. Problem for you is we Americans know a LOT about Islam.

Hooray for the passengers who decided not to take that sh*t.

BTW, isn't this the same airport that is staffed heavily by Somali Muzzies? How many of the airport staff attended the "conference"?
Posted by Intrinsicpilot 2006-11-21 11:52||   2006-11-21 11:52|| Front Page Top

#16 Based on comments here and reports on radio this morning, I'd say these six on the plane weren't conducting prayers but chanting some other thing which was overheard and frightened the other passenger. Some schmuck from CAIR, on a radio interview, was being an apologist and carefully explained they had conducted prayers in the airport, and for disrupting the airport, airport security went aboard the plane and insisted they get off, which they refused to do. This is a direct contradiction to the other tale, where the pilot went back and heard the disruption, asked them to get off the plane. They refused. He called security. They still refusedto budge for security patrol. Then local Minneapolis police redsponded. This seems to be a pack of Muzzie lies, as usual. This is very important to all of us. We can not allow this Muzzie scum to disrupt our way of life. I don't give a shit where these fools cause disruption, if it's in the public arena they should be arrested for disturbing the peace. They should be banned from all public transport..airlines, trains, buses. Let these scum walk, hire private jets, or take autos. I'd really love to encounter a pack of these scumbags in rural Arizona, Kansa, Utah, etc. I believe if they caused a large disturbance in a local diner, for instance, there may be cause for local law to take some action. Law works a little differently in some rural locales.
Posted by SpecOp35 2006-11-21 11:57||   2006-11-21 11:57|| Front Page Top

#17 Sounds kinda like a staged incident, dunnit?
Posted by Fred 2006-11-21 12:07||   2006-11-21 12:07|| Front Page Top

#18 "...1.7 billion Muslims around the world..."

Whoa! Five years ago the figure was 1.2 billion. WTF is going on here?????

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D.  2006-11-21 12:24||   2006-11-21 12:24|| Front Page Top

#19 Whoa! Five years ago the figure was 1.2 billion. WTF is going on here?????

Global Warming is really caused by the heat generated from the friction of all those muzzies copulating! Just a theory.

Posted by Mick Dundee 2006-11-21 12:37||   2006-11-21 12:37|| Front Page Top

#20 The Muslims are Democrats: there are 1.2 billion of them but 1.7 million vote. There must be at least a hundred thousand dead Muslims voting in Detroit alone.
Posted by Darrell 2006-11-21 13:14||   2006-11-21 13:14|| Front Page Top

#21 "Ignorance about Islam"? Au contraire--it's precisely because of an awareness of Islam and its practitioners that there was just such a reaction from the other passengers!

If this were not a staged incident, I would suspect the ignorance--and arrogance--is on the side of the imams. However, I very strongly suspect this was discussed, rehearsed, and performed purposely to generate such a reaction and give the Muzzies yet another more reason to seethe.

Thanks, Mark Z, for the insight to the expected prayer times! Another red flag right there--late prayers on board a plane with only a 50% participation from "scholarly" religious officials? Mmm hmm...
Posted by Dar">Dar  2006-11-21 13:21||   2006-11-21 13:21|| Front Page Top

#22 There's prolly a Time Zone Chart somewhere in the Haddiths.

You just know that the 3 slackers imams were lusting praying in their hearts.
Posted by .com 2006-11-21 13:33||   2006-11-21 13:33|| Front Page Top

#23 Whoa! Five years ago the figure was 1.2 billion. WTF is going on here?????

Numbers are strenght, therefore numbers are inflated (the 1,2 billions might not even be certain, as all in muslim countries are automatically considered muslim); while I was still watching teevee, I remember several Moderate Muslims getting a bit loose with stats in talk-show, like saying "muslims are 1/3 of the world's population, therefore you've got to respect us", with no one contradicting them, of course.
Posted by anonymous5089 2006-11-21 13:41||   2006-11-21 13:41|| Front Page Top

#24 I'm expecting that sooner or later, in the name of 'religious tolerance,' all aircraft, in flight, will have to deviate from their normal flight plan and turn towards Mecca, so as to avoid another "Muzzies in the Aisle' episode. (they can stay seated.)
Posted by USN, ret. 2006-11-21 14:04||   2006-11-21 14:04|| Front Page Top

#25 When you fly on one of the M.E. airlines, there is a little compass thingy displayed on the screen - with the arrow pointing at Ma'k'ka'h.
Posted by .com 2006-11-21 14:06||   2006-11-21 14:06|| Front Page Top

#26 This smells to me. Most people are so politically correct or at least unwilling to instigate conflict that they wouldn't say a thing unless what was happening was really in your face. I suspect their "prayer session" was planned beforehand to provoke just this reaction. And the bit about the lady who understood arabic (assumption on my part) is really interesting. I wonder what they were really saying. Imagine if they were standing there saying "I hope you all die. The US is shit and we will take it over soon. I hope you all die." in the arrogant belief that no one could understand them. It would be wonderful if what they actually said as understood by the woman were broadcasted far and wide. Undfortunately I know that will never happen.
Posted by remoteman 2006-11-21 14:09||   2006-11-21 14:09|| Front Page Top

#27 Check this out.

Islamic victory through (eventual) population replacement.

HERE
Posted by MagnonMan 2006-11-21 15:00||   2006-11-21 15:00|| Front Page Top

#28 AND HERE

Always the same. The Islamics blab about fair treatment, complain that they're being discriminated against, and expect "open-mindedness" from their host countries, but never do anything to earn the respect they crave/demand. Besides, it's just a ruse to get Westerners to let their guard down, accept them, then they take over (in time). For anyone who thinks I'm crazy, this strategy of infiltration/out poplulating/ and taking over culturally and politically in order to maker the world "Islamic" is in their own playbooks.
Posted by MagnonMan 2006-11-21 15:05||   2006-11-21 15:05|| Front Page Top

#29 Let em walk next time.
Posted by JohnQC 2006-11-21 15:12||   2006-11-21 15:12|| Front Page Top

#30 Islamic victory through (eventual) population replacement.

I dunno for other countries, but the 4 to 6 millions for France at the link is under-estimated IMHO. Official figure has been 6 millions for quite some time already (a decade, I'd say, from what I remember).
True, one non-idiotarian demograph, Michèle Tribalat caused quite a stir by estimating the actual number at only 3,7 millions in 2004 (according to her, the gross over-estimation was resulting from numbers inflation by muslim leaders)... but the "officious" number more often advanced is 8-10 millions, growing of at least 80% of 350 000 entries every year (french population is growing relatively fast for a developed country, yet global birthrate is 1,9, below replacement level, all growth comes from immigration, overhemingly african and muslim).

Lately, azouz begag, muslim minister of the "promotion of equality of chances" (yup, you read that right) let slip that there was 15 millions non-europeans here.
Also, in a strictly rumor-mongering way, conservative forums have quoted a (of course) un-named RG official (police intelligence) who supposedly estimated muslim pop in France around 18 millions, from a 62 millions pop... which would explain the "go with the flow" and panic of the Establishment (I have no doubt actual numbers, whatever they are, are fully known by the power).
Posted by anonymous5089 2006-11-21 15:14||   2006-11-21 15:14|| Front Page Top

#31 I know the article states they're from the Phoenix area. But, with that other goon being stopped last week in Detroit (from Kenya to Amsterdam to Detroit to Phoenix) heading to Phoenix also, I wonder if something's up. Everytime I hear Phoenix, I think of the warning on Adnan Shukrijumah, the supposed next mastermind. Add that the Detroit boy had info on nuclear materials and cyanide on his laptop, carrying ~$80,000 in cash, could these goons being planning to "meet up" w/ Shurkrijumah in Phoenix (he's supposedly thought to be trying to sneak across our southern border into the US)? Maybe I'm being a lil' too much of a conspiracy theorist, but the timing of all this is suspect to me (FBI on Shukrijumah went out this summer, I believe). And pre-9/11, I was a completely level-headed engineer who wouldn't ever suspected a conspiracy like that. It makes me question everything now.
Posted by BA 2006-11-21 15:19||   2006-11-21 15:19|| Front Page Top

#32 When the tumor is too big to excise without killing the host, the host is already dead - it serves only the tumor.
Posted by .com 2006-11-21 15:20||   2006-11-21 15:20|| Front Page Top

#33 BA, I was thinking about that Detroit guy heading to Phoenix too...and I don't even wear a tinfoil hat (yet).
Posted by remoteman 2006-11-21 15:43||   2006-11-21 15:43|| Front Page Top

#34 He attributed any concerns by passengers or crew to ignorance about Islam.

Wrongo. I'd wager the passengers' concerns were due explicitly to knowledge of Islam and not otherwise. Any sane airline passenger had damn well better be concerned upon hearing a group of beturbaned Muslims proclaim "Allahu Snackbar!" in their presence.

Take a guess at how many people have heard those same exact words just before meeting with a horrible death.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2006-11-21 15:54||   2006-11-21 15:54|| Front Page Top

#35 Everytime I hear Phoenix, I think of the warning on Adnan Shukrijumah, the supposed next mastermind.

One of the first murders carried out by al'Fuqra was in the Phoenix area. I suspect the area has quite a jihadi population.
Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford  2006-11-21 17:06|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2006-11-21 17:06|| Front Page Top

#36 Just out of curiosity, did any fellow passengers tell em to sit down and shut up?
Posted by Mark E. 2006-11-21 17:10||   2006-11-21 17:10|| Front Page Top

#37 Here's some photos of the poor "humiliated" gents. Nope...can't imagine anybody getting nervous about boarding a plane with them...damn irrational fears anyhow.
Posted by DepotGuy 2006-11-21 17:21||   2006-11-21 17:21|| Front Page Top

#38 Lol, DG. Look like solid Merikkkan citizens to me, lol.
Posted by .com 2006-11-21 17:23||   2006-11-21 17:23|| Front Page Top

#39 Yep, regular kinda guys only with thobes and beards. Excellent next-door material, potential teachers in your local school.
Posted by Shipman 2006-11-21 18:21||   2006-11-21 18:21|| Front Page Top

#40 saw several of them in the local cantina, eating great mex food and swilling hate dos equis. I'm sure it's the same in AZ
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2006-11-21 18:24||   2006-11-21 18:24|| Front Page Top

#41 I've already told about being on flights out of Saudi where there is an announcement by the pilot when the plane crosses out of Saudi airspace... Never heard that any other time on any other flights, lol. And, of course, 50 Sky Waitress call lights immediately go off and the wymyns all head to the head to change out of their Ninja sacks.
Posted by .com 2006-11-21 18:48||   2006-11-21 18:48|| Front Page Top

#42 Excellent!
ABC reports just now that when they attempted to reboard this morning, US airways enforced its "Sorry- no flying for bad boys" policy after refunding their tickets last night.
"But what are our rights as American citizens?!?" says disrupted iman.
They sounded a lot like the final team who misses the connection on Amazing Race 10, and they just know they will be last to make the carpet.
20 hours later, they finally get aboard a NW Airlines. It would have been quicker to grab one of those pious islamic taxi drivers in Minneapolis and drive to Phoenix.

"Team Iman.. I am sorry to tell you you are the last team to arrive. You have been eliminated."
Posted by Capsu 78 2006-11-21 18:49||   2006-11-21 18:49|| Front Page Top

#43 "But what are our rights as American citizens?!?" says disrupted iman.

Lol, Capsu78! Mebbe the answer should be, "Precisely the same 'rights' as a non-Muzzy receives in Saudi." That reciprocal laws thingy has always made perfect sense to me.
Posted by .com 2006-11-21 18:52||   2006-11-21 18:52|| Front Page Top

#44 
But what are our rights as American citizens?!?" says disrupted iman.

1) Still Alive
2) Not tortured
3) Body parts still attached and functioning
4) freedom to bitch and moan give your version of what happened without impinging on (1),(2), and (3)
5) free to walk home on the public highways, as long as you don't make a nuisance of yourselves.
6) some others I haven't mentioned.
Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2006-11-21 19:10||   2006-11-21 19:10|| Front Page Top

#45 .com: your metaphor in #32 has put me a jolly holiday mood tonight (meaning I got myself an extra large G&T).

Question: Based on your experience in the Magic Kingdom, is there no such thing as "silent prayer" among the muzzies? I know such a thing exists in my religion (indeed, silent prayer is standard). What about amongst...you know...them?

I ask this in all seriousness because the Minneapolis Six will claim discrimination because of "who" they are. In truth it was their "behavior" that got them booted off the plane.
Posted by Mark Z 2006-11-21 19:45||   2006-11-21 19:45|| Front Page Top

#46 No, they don't pray silently - there's a "prayer leader" (and I assume all of these yankers qualify for that dubious title) who does the chant thingy for the prayees (the 5 daily prayers are all different, of course, lol). Have I ever been in a moskkk to hear this for myself, you ask? Nope. Didn't need to. Though there were moskkks all over Aramco, I was "privileged" to have some zoomers who found it inconvenient, so they just took over a large cube and started holding the noon prayer - and it was right next to mine.
Posted by .com 2006-11-21 19:57||   2006-11-21 19:57|| Front Page Top

#47 Over at Powerline, there's a report that three of these jerks asked for seatbelt extensions, but the crew didn't think they needed them.

Why ask for one if you don't need one? It would make the seatbelt worthless, and would be uncomfortable -- instead of one buckle, you'd have to deal with two.

Then it occurs to me. The extension would make a handy flail, if you were so inclined.

Nah. Just a suspicious mind.
Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford  2006-11-21 20:07|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2006-11-21 20:07|| Front Page Top

#48 That answers that. Thanks.
Posted by Mark Z 2006-11-21 20:07||   2006-11-21 20:07|| Front Page Top

#49 DepotGuy,

Thanks for photo link. Those are scary lokkin' MF'ers if you ask me. I think we need a new law that offers a bounty for anyone looking like a likely camel molester. How did worthless shits like these jackoffs get to be citizens ? Are they citizens ? That is really scary. Damn, got to head out to the garage and work on loading more brass.
Posted by SpecOp35 2006-11-21 21:15||   2006-11-21 21:15|| Front Page Top

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