Archived material Access restricted Article
Rantburg

Today's Front Page   View All of Tue 10/18/2022 View Mon 10/17/2022 View Sun 10/16/2022 View Sat 10/15/2022 View Fri 10/14/2022 View Thu 10/13/2022 View Wed 10/12/2022
1
2022-10-18 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
Is the Biden administration planning to use tactical nuclear weapons against the Russians in defense of Ukraine?
Archived material is restricted to Rantburg regulars and members. If you need access email fred.pruitt=at=gmail.com with your nick to be added to the members list. There is no charge to join Rantburg as a member.
Posted by Spike the Hairy6811 2022-10-18 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11133 views ]  Top

#1 No.
Posted by DarthVader 2022-10-18 00:03||   2022-10-18 00:03|| Front Page Top

#2 The US hasn’t ruled out first strike in their policy papers
Posted by Slenter Panda4300 2022-10-18 05:07||   2022-10-18 05:07|| Front Page Top

#3 Ref #1: Exactly correct. Too large a chance we might win the engagement.
Posted by Besoeker 2022-10-18 05:44||   2022-10-18 05:44|| Front Page Top

#4 "The trouble is, the Russians have never threatened to use nuclear weapons."

You should be watching more Russian State Television.
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-18 05:58||   2022-10-18 05:58|| Front Page Top

#5 “It is a well known aspect of regime psychology to project what they are doing or plotting onto some enemy of the regime. In 2016 we got the Russian collusion hoax in which Trump was accused of plotting with foreigners to rig the election. What we eventually learned is that it was the regime that was working with foreign intelligence services to not only rig the election but undermine the Trump administration.”

Exactly so. Nearly everything these morons claim about their opponents applies in reality to they’re own behavior.

They said Trump was corrupt and a Russian stooge but in reality it’s the Biden Crime Family that’s been receiving millions from Russian and Ukrainian bandits.

They call their opponents election deniers — after they spent four years denying the results of the 2016 election.

They deny the vast evidence substantiating the horrific side effects of their useless gene therapy and then they persecute anyone, the world’s best medical experts included, who tells the truth about this monstrous scam and its lab origins.

They fuck up the economy beyond all recognition, trash our savings and destroy the industrial economies of our Allie’s — and then they lay the blame at the feet of their opponents.

They stage an actual coup in DC and accuse unarmed trespassers of “insurrection.”

They call the man in the Kremlin a warmonger after they provoked the Russians with insane calls to “take back” Russia’s most important naval base and bulwark, one the Russians have owned for 239 years.

Every single word these degenerate fuckheads speak is a lie, including “a” and “the.”
Posted by Chaim 2022-10-18 06:20||   2022-10-18 06:20|| Front Page Top

#6 The St Petersburg troll army woke early methinks.
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-18 06:29||   2022-10-18 06:29|| Front Page Top

#7 ^ “Everyone who disagrees with me is Hitler/Putler!”

Go back to chopping wood, Fritz. Leave the conversation to people who can make arguments instead of slinging lies and false accusations.

Your scheisskopf-boy Biden is a criminal. He stole the election and he’s dragging us toward nuclear war. Fuck him and his depraved family.

Posted by Chaim 2022-10-18 06:41||   2022-10-18 06:41|| Front Page Top

#8 Biden is a criminal. He stole the election ...

Damn.... first time I agree with Chaim. More like the cabal of criminals (the demoncrats have always been a crime family that acted like a political party) helped put their empty suit in power.
Posted by DarthVader 2022-10-18 06:44||   2022-10-18 06:44|| Front Page Top

#9 EC, If Chaim is a ST. P troll, he is writing what many of the MAGA believe, including me. And I'm no troll.
Over here they are pushing stories that it is no big deal to have a limited nuc war in Ukraine. Were I a conservative Euro I'd be very worried about Biden.
Posted by The Walking Unvaxed 2022-10-18 06:44||   2022-10-18 06:44|| Front Page Top

#10 
Posted by Chaim 2022-10-18 06:49||   2022-10-18 06:49|| Front Page Top

#11 Biden-Scheisskopf is literally destroying Germany now with his idiotic crusade. He’s reducing Germany to a version of Detroit… and there are actually Germans who support this insanity

YJCMTSU
Posted by Chaim 2022-10-18 06:55||   2022-10-18 06:55|| Front Page Top

#12 St Petersburg trolls push their Russian agenda by playing nice with the MAGA crows.

Frankly, I'm getting a bit irritated here. This article is simply BS.

The only country threating to use nuclear arms is Russia.

If Putin doesn't use nukes, there won't be a nuclear war. I'm effing tired of this stupid fearmongering.

I watch Russian State TV to know what they are up to. Any day they aren't proposing to wipe out London or Washington D.C. is an exception.

It's completely nonsense that the U.S. plans to use a tactical nuke in Ukraine. This is called "projection".
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-18 06:55||   2022-10-18 06:55|| Front Page Top

#13 Btw the word "Scheisskopf" isn't used in Germany. It's just an invented literal translation of "shithead".
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-18 06:58||   2022-10-18 06:58|| Front Page Top

#14 The only country threating to use nuclear arms is Russia.

Yep. The US only has 150 or so "tactical" nukes in its arsenal. It got rid of the rest as the conventional weapons we have now (lookin' at you MOAB) have the same blast destruction without all that nasty radiation. We would most likely use that or a fuel air bomb rather than a tacnuke.
Posted by DarthVader 2022-10-18 06:59||   2022-10-18 06:59|| Front Page Top

#15 St P trolls

You just can’t quit, can you, Fritz?

Trump is a blustering asshole. Trump is also correct on many things.

Trump’s approach to Russia was tough but respectful, measured, balanced, appropriate to our interests. Biden the Shithead broke every single rule of intelligent statecraft: Issue empty threats. Fling needless insults. Threaten other nations’ vital interests where you have none at stake. Ignore your own nation’s vital interests.

And destroy literally everything you touch along the way, from the US border to our energy independence to the schoolrooms to race relations to the global economy and on and on.

All because this is better than… mean tweets?

Are you insane?
Posted by Chaim 2022-10-18 07:05||   2022-10-18 07:05|| Front Page Top

#16 Indeed. Tactical nuke were (once) meant to stop the advance of a major Soviet Army in Germany as a last resort before going fully nuclear.

The use of tactical nukes in Ukraine would serve no tactical purpose at all. Not even for Russia (except intimidation, but Ukrainians won't be intimidated).
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-18 07:06||   2022-10-18 07:06|| Front Page Top

#17 The reply was to Darth Vader, of course.
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-18 07:07||   2022-10-18 07:07|| Front Page Top

#18 /\.....but Ukrainians won't be intimidated

That appears to be an accurate observation.
Posted by Besoeker 2022-10-18 07:14||   2022-10-18 07:14|| Front Page Top

#19 The Russian approach reads like: "Schnauze, sonst Bombe!" (Besoeker will understand).

It just doesn't work. You bet Xi doesn't allow Putin to destroy the world.
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-18 07:18||   2022-10-18 07:18|| Front Page Top

#20 Just think how much better off the world would be now if Biden hadn’t stolen the election and Trump were in the White House
Posted by Chaim 2022-10-18 07:24||   2022-10-18 07:24|| Front Page Top

#21 Well let's listen to Trump then:

"Now it’s a very big area -- a very important area. Russia has its submarine. That is where they do their submarine work and that is where they dock large and powerful submarines, but not as powerful as ours and not as large as ours, but they have their submarines, and President Obama was pure and simply outsmarted. They took Crimea during his term. That was not a good thing. It could have been stopped, it could have been stopped with the right, whatever. It could have been stopped but President Obama was unable to stop it, and it’s too bad."

Now please explain "with the right, whatever". Because Trump, of course, doesn't.
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-18 07:34||   2022-10-18 07:34|| Front Page Top

#22 Seriously now, Fritz: Why do you support Biden?

Are you a masochist?
Posted by Chaim 2022-10-18 07:35||   2022-10-18 07:35|| Front Page Top

#23 Can you read, Fritz?

Cf. “Trump is a blustering asshole. Trump is also correct on many things.”

Also, Fritz.
As in and
Per set theory, union; not mutually exclusive
Posted by Chaim 2022-10-18 07:45||   2022-10-18 07:45|| Front Page Top

#24 My name is not Fritz, Sir.
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-18 08:09||   2022-10-18 08:09|| Front Page Top

#25 Call him Ishmael
Posted by Butch Squank4006 2022-10-18 08:11||   2022-10-18 08:11|| Front Page Top

#26 “My name is not Fritz”

… but everyone I disagree with I call “Troll”
Posted by Angique Ulineter3528 2022-10-18 08:19||   2022-10-18 08:19|| Front Page Top

#27 Only those who parrot the Russian narratives.
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-18 08:24||   2022-10-18 08:24|| Front Page Top

#28 EC is not a troll. Been here a long time.
Posted by Vespasian Ebboting9735 2022-10-18 08:46||   2022-10-18 08:46|| Front Page Top

#29 Parrot

Now you’re really confused, Mein Herr Doktor. Everything I’ve written comes from an American perspective. It’s been pointed out repeatedly by fellow Americans who are disgusted with what’s happened to our country. Nothing parrot-like about it.

Tell us, please — dear Sir — why the hell do you support Biden? He’s literally destroying your country, no less than our own.

Are you a glutton for punishment?
Posted by Chaim 2022-10-18 08:51||   2022-10-18 08:51|| Front Page Top

#30 The United States and Germany are allies.
Allies support each other.

I'm a ranking member of the conservative Bavarian party CSU, which traditionally has close ties to the U.S. (and Israel).

I'm also an active member of the Atlantikbrücke, I run a successful business which trades a lot with U.S. partners.

I'm not always happy with specific U.S. presidents. But I do support the United States.

The United States is not ruining Germany. Russia is trying to do that, but won't succeed.
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-18 09:03||   2022-10-18 09:03|| Front Page Top

#31 Some info about the Atlantik-Brücke
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-18 09:08||   2022-10-18 09:08|| Front Page Top

#32 Here’s another loyal American, pushing back against the globalist grifters and their bullshit:

Tucker Carlson Responding To Zelensky Demanding More Money

"Some uppity foreigner in a t-shirt demanding money for his 'critical economic needs.' We have critical economic needs too, buddy. Who are you troll? Go away."
Posted by Chaim 2022-10-18 09:10||   2022-10-18 09:10|| Front Page Top

#33 The United States is not ruining Germany.

US intelligence operatives and likely Polish henchmen just destroyed German industry’s energy lifeline. Biden had sworn publicly to German journalists that the U.S. would do exactly that.

Now your country’s industrialists and other businesses will pay 7 or 8 times as much for their energy as previously — to American LNG producers.

German industries will go bankrupt. German consumers will slide into poverty. This will be a permanent change — not a recession or a depression but de-industrialization.

Are you a masochist? Or just completely in denial of reality?

Posted by Chaim 2022-10-18 09:16||   2022-10-18 09:16|| Front Page Top

#34 [emphasis mine]

“If Russia invades … there will no longer [be] a Nord Stream 2,” Biden said during a joint press conference with Scholz. “We will bring an end to it,” added the American president.

Scholz said Germany was ready to act together with the United States. Asked specifically whether Germany was prepared to pull the plug on the pipeline, the chancellor said “we are absolutely united.”

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/08/business/nord-stream-2-germany-biden/index.html

Russia invaded and Germany followed through.

NS2 was dead and will remain dead.
Putin decided tu cut the gas flow through NS1. Only Putin.
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-18 09:44||   2022-10-18 09:44|| Front Page Top

#35 Question should be:

Is the Biden Administration willing to suicide America for some globalists' ambitions?

Then the answer would be : Yes. Any day.

Posted by Dron66046 2022-10-18 09:55||   2022-10-18 09:55|| Front Page Top

#36 No poverty for this family. Remember the little ones!

A real estate company with ties to first son Hunter Biden received more than $100 million from a Russian billionaire for property investments across the US that date back a decade

Posted by Black Charlie 2022-10-18 10:06||   2022-10-18 10:06|| Front Page Top

#37 Your scheisskopf-boy Biden is a criminal.

Indeed he is. And he will be impeached for his crimes.

#3 House Republican Elise Stefanik: Biden impeachment ‘on the table’ for Saudi oil ask, Hunter bizBy Steven Nelson
NY Post
October 17, 2022

Posted by Black Charlie 2022-10-18 10:11||   2022-10-18 10:11|| Front Page Top

#38 And there's no reason to attack EC, Chaim. He is pro EU. The EU's interests do not align with Americans. They may align with the establishment once in a while, but not all the time. A loaded 'transatlantic relationship' is what they want, with the POTUS a nodding monkey ready to support the climate thingy, trade with China, any and every NATO enlargement experiment, etc. Which is why they didn't like Trump. Any President good for Americans will give zero fcuk's for the supranation and its suited thugs. As populations within the EU nations are now realising. It is the tower of Babel, mon Ami. And it will not continue for long.

No need meeting the Russkies in an all out nuke war, or even losing a penny over it.
Posted by Dron66046 2022-10-18 10:25||   2022-10-18 10:25|| Front Page Top

#39 Dron,

Agree… The EU’s globalists are just as corrupt as the American globalists. For ex., we’ll soon find out how much payola that corrupt little cvnt Ursula von der Leyen pocketed from Pfizer for inflicting those criminals’ monstrous gene therapy on the EU.

Fair point about the European nations and their interests. Their national interests most definitely clash with those of the American globalist scum.
Posted by Chaim 2022-10-18 10:40||   2022-10-18 10:40|| Front Page Top

#40 I'm pro EU, but also a strong critic of the current EU structures.

That said, Europe will only be a global player united. Of course our interests don't always align with those of the U.S.

But we have common adversaries like China.
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-18 10:40||   2022-10-18 10:40|| Front Page Top

#41 we have common adversaries sugar daddies like China

Biden's family got 'interest-free,' 'forgivable' loan from China, new evidence reveals
By John Solomon
Oct 17, 2002

Joe Biden has made waves this fall with his plan to forgive hundreds of billions of dollars of student loans, shifting the burden to taxpayers. Five years earlier, his family cashed in on a zero-interest, forgivable loan of its own from an energy company in communist China, according to evidence in the possession of the FBI.

The loan arrangement, confirmed in documents obtained by Just the News and also new information released by Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa), shows the Chinese energy firm CEFC Beijing International Energy Company Limited understood the transaction would benefit Joe Biden's family (referred to as "BD family" in the emails), but it also was creating heartburn with the Chinese company’s own compliance/risk management officers
Posted by Black Charlie 2022-10-18 10:44||   2022-10-18 10:44|| Front Page Top

#42 U.S. presidents come and go.
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-18 10:50||   2022-10-18 10:50|| Front Page Top

#43 I always read European Conservative’s comments, because even when we disagree he is thoughtful and informed. And his opinions are distilled from time spent in all three streams of society: military service, business, and politics.
Posted by trailing wife 2022-10-18 10:57||   2022-10-18 10:57|| Front Page Top

#44 … but Global Grifters are eternal. Like cockroaches.

Neocons and the Woke Left are joining hands and leading us to Woke War III
David Sacks
Newsweek

The online mob has decided that any support for a negotiated settlement—even proposals that Zelensky himself appeared to support at the beginning of the war—is tantamount to taking Russia's side, denouncing voices of compromise and restraint as Putin apologists.

This removes them from acceptable discourse and shrinks the Overton window to those advocating the total defeat of Russia and an end to Putin's regime—even if it risks WWIII.

We've seen this before: "Woke mobs" on Twitter routinely demonize and defame their political opponents, impugn the motives of anyone who questions their goals or tactics, and squelch dissent even in their own ranks by declaring the debate on certain topics over.

What makes the "I stand with Ukraine" version of the Twitter mob unique is that it brings together two forces that used to be sworn enemies of one another—the woke Left and the neoconservative Right. It turns out they share many of the same loathsome ideological and personality traits, and have a similar "slash and burn" approach to political engagement. It's a new political marriage
Posted by Chaim 2022-10-18 11:02||   2022-10-18 11:02|| Front Page Top

#45 David Sacks brilliantly skewers the Neocon-Woke Bund’s twisted logic that borders on idiocy:

“…Warping the debate in this way allows delusional and contradictory thinking to go unchallenged.

Thus, we get the argument that Putin is a madman who will kill indiscriminately to achieve his aims—but he is also somehow definitely bluffing about using nuclear weapons.

And he's only using that bluff because he's losing the war—but if he's not stopped in Ukraine, he will go on to conquer the rest of Europe.

Putin's regime must fall because he has killed or jailed all the liberal reformers and yoked himself to a hardline Far Right, but somehow he will be replaced by a liberal reformer when his regime collapses.

It's nonsensical, and a real debate would expose some of the delusions in this thinking. But we aren't allowed to have one.”
Posted by Chaim 2022-10-18 11:10||   2022-10-18 11:10|| Front Page Top

#46 Like cockroaches

Cockroaches like Tim Ryan.
JD Vance just wiped the floor with that piece of shit after he tried to accuse Vance of racism and attacked Vance’s biracial (Indian-American) children

Posted by Black Charlie 2022-10-18 11:32||   2022-10-18 11:32|| Front Page Top

#47 Reality check for Chaim

Ukraine is (currently) not losing the war because we provide it with the weapons to defend itself. Without our help, Ukraine would have faced defeat and barbaric Russian occupation Bucha style, at least the whole coast and all land east of the Dniepr.

With this victory Putin could have easily menaced Georgia, Moldova and the Baltic States.

Putin wants to keep what he has now and a hudna, to rebuild his troops. He wants Europe to face economical collapse.

Times will be tough but what Putin wants will not happen. We won't give him time to rebuild.
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-18 12:02||   2022-10-18 12:02|| Front Page Top

#48 They said Trump was corrupt and a Russian stooge but in reality it’s the Biden Crime Family that’s been receiving millions from Russian and Ukrainian bandits.

Don't forget the Chinese Communist Party.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-10-18 12:51||   2022-10-18 12:51|| Front Page Top

#49 Who Are The Russian Oligarchs?
Posted by Matt 2022-10-18 12:55||   2022-10-18 12:55|| Front Page Top

#50 They fuck up the economy beyond all recognition...

I've never seen fubar used as a verb. I like it.

If Chaim is a Russian troll, he has taken trolling to a whole new level. The grammar is pretty good for a troll and he's improvising with the word fuck as well as any American could. He is earning his rubles...maybe even gets a bottle of vodka for a bonus.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-10-18 12:57||   2022-10-18 12:57|| Front Page Top

#51 ^ you’re deranged, Herr Doktor Kronkheit. Ukraine has not only lost over 1/5th of its territory; its economy is shattered. The NY Times just reported that Ukraine is now without thirty percent of its entire electricity supply. (The Times hilariously spins this catastrophe as “Ukrainians conserve energy” 😂)

**THIRTY PERCENT of its electricity.
**SIXTY PERCENT of its GDP.
**TWENTY PERCENT of its territory.

Not even the Pentagon spin masters are pretending that Ukraine has any chance of winning. The war has been an unmitigated disaster for those poor wretched people.
Posted by Chaim 2022-10-18 13:00||   2022-10-18 13:00|| Front Page Top

#52 “Ukrainians conserve energy”

LOL .. Walter Duranty couldn’t have said it better
Posted by Billy B 2022-10-18 13:04||   2022-10-18 13:04|| Front Page Top

#53 improvising with the word fuck as well as any American could.

Not as well as Norman Mailer… or I should say Dorothy Parker
Posted by Chaim  2022-10-18 13:07||   2022-10-18 13:07|| Front Page Top

#54 Ukraine War Pushing Russia Toward Demographic Reckoning
Posted by Matt 2022-10-18 13:08||   2022-10-18 13:08|| Front Page Top

#55 St Petersburg trolls push their Russian agenda by playing nice with the MAGA crows.

I think you must mean MAGA crowd, EC. Now, we discussed this yesterday about how we don't like foreigners criticizing Donald Trump. Far be it from me to disparage all Germans just because a few of them do that. Sorry if I didn't read the part about "F^>k kr****" before I praised that guy's post. I understand that is a hateful slur and and we should avoid taking the conversation to that level.

But Donald Trump has called for negotiations to bring a peaceful resolution to this conflict before it escalates out of control. I don't hear Scheisskopf Joe Biden doing anything of the sort. Instead, he fans the flames of war like some kind of reckless medieval asshole.

Seriously, people, you'd follow Joe Biden into war?
Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-10-18 13:13||   2022-10-18 13:13|| Front Page Top

#56 Kremlin Power Grab In Full Swing as controversial Wagner Group boss pushes Putin to oust defence minister Shoigu
Posted by Matt 2022-10-18 13:18||   2022-10-18 13:18|| Front Page Top

#57  Why the US must press for a cease-fire in Ukraine
by Ambassador Jack Matlock
Oct 17, 2022
Posted by Chaim  2022-10-18 13:21||   2022-10-18 13:21|| Front Page Top

#58 If I break into your house with weapons blazing and the police show up (in a couple of hours) And let me leave with 50% of your stuff including all your valuables, is that an acceptable compromise?

That seems to be what I'm hearing from a lot of people. Sounds pretty shitty to me, especially since I get to keep the keys and come back at any time.
Posted by AlanC 2022-10-18 13:22||   2022-10-18 13:22|| Front Page Top

#59 If I break into your house with weapons blazing and the police show up (in a couple of hours) And let me leave with 50% of your stuff including all your valuables, is that an acceptable compromise?

That seems to be what I'm hearing from a lot of people. Sounds pretty shitty to me, especially since I get to keep the keys and come back at any time.
Posted by AlanC 2022-10-18 13:23||   2022-10-18 13:23|| Front Page Top

#60 Yep. The US only has 150 or so "tactical" nukes in its arsenal. It got rid of the rest as the conventional weapons we have now (lookin' at you MOAB) have the same blast destruction without all that nasty radiation. We would most likely use that or a fuel air bomb rather than a tacnuke.

Comforting, DV.

But I still think this war is madness provoked by Joe Biden's insistence that NATO expand into Ukraine. Biden has poked his nose into a part of the world where he does not belong and thereby recklessly, needlessly jeopardized America's national security...not to mention the national security of European countries like Germany. And for what?
Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-10-18 13:24||   2022-10-18 13:24|| Front Page Top

#61 Tell me Chaim: Which side would you want to win?
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-18 13:25||   2022-10-18 13:25|| Front Page Top

#62 Anger Mounts as Russian Draftees Thrown Into Battle without Training or Equipment
Posted by Matt 2022-10-18 13:26||   2022-10-18 13:26|| Front Page Top

#63 Abu Uluque

"crowd" of course.

You write: "Now, we discussed this yesterday about how we don't like foreigners criticizing Donald Trump."

Why not? Do you think foreigners have no right to criticize a U.S.president?

Any U.S. president?
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-18 13:32||   2022-10-18 13:32|| Front Page Top

#64 I have a good souse who has said our Marines are in Sweden now. The swamp and Biden want a war to divert attention from the many failures of this administration.
Posted by Dale 2022-10-18 13:42||   2022-10-18 13:42|| Front Page Top

#65 Times will be tough but what Putin wants will not happen. We won't give him time to rebuild.
Posted by: European Conservative |

With all due respect EC, I don't see your government doing much here (in Ukraine) now or in the future. Germany has no armed forces to speak of and soon no economy to build on. Given time, not too long, the US will be reducing it's influence in the region.
Posted by Vespasian Ebboting9735 2022-10-18 13:48||   2022-10-18 13:48|| Front Page Top

#66 If I break into your house with weapons blazing and the police show up (in a couple of hours) And let me leave with 50% of your stuff including all your valuables, is that an acceptable compromise?

If you were to look closely at the history of that part of the world you might see that the ownership of that "stuff" has been in dispute for millennia. If we put the questions to a legitimate court of law, or a truly legitimate plebiscite for the people who live there, you might be surprised at the outcome.

But instead we have Joe Biden playing the role of World Policeman. You've heard of cops being "on the take", haven't you? Like I said, it is a part of the world where Joe Biden does not belong.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-10-18 13:49||   2022-10-18 13:49|| Front Page Top

#67 The good source
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-18 13:51||   2022-10-18 13:51|| Front Page Top

#68 Why not? Do you think foreigners have no right to criticize a U.S.president?

Criticize away but try to be even handed. Don't get all sanctimonious about Trump's claims of shenanigans in the 2020 election when Democrats were screaming their heads off about "Russian collusion" after 2016. You should be aware that psychological projection is a key part of the Democrat playbook.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-10-18 13:54||   2022-10-18 13:54|| Front Page Top

#69 The New York Times? Seriously?
Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-10-18 13:56||   2022-10-18 13:56|| Front Page Top

#70 The same New York Times that still proudly displays Walter Duranty's Pulitzer Prize?
Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-10-18 13:57||   2022-10-18 13:57|| Front Page Top

#71 Dale called it a good source (with a typo)
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-18 14:01||   2022-10-18 14:01|| Front Page Top

#72 "Criticize away but try to be even handed."

I must confess that this isn't easy with Trump, even for me. And I usually try.
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-18 14:03||   2022-10-18 14:03|| Front Page Top

#73 Russians run and hide from Putin’s zealous draft officials

“What have Ukrainians done to me? I have a tonne of friends there. What am I going to do, go and shoot at their relatives? Are they serious?”
Posted by Matt 2022-10-18 14:08||   2022-10-18 14:08|| Front Page Top

#74 #61 Tell me Chaim: Which side would you want to win?
‘Murrica- seriously. I don’t really care about anyone else’s country. I expect other nations’ leaders to advance those nations’ interests, just as we advance our own.

As I said above, we have our Monroe doctrine and the Russians have their own equivalent doctrine regarding Crimea. They and the Chinks should stay out of our patch, and we should return the courtesy.

This is what every sane and wise student of international relations has understood since at least the days of Morgenthau and Waltz… if not Thucydides. The Quincy Institute’s “Responsible Statecraft” website (which featured one of our wisest ambassadors, Jack Matlock) has excellent, superb and independent commentary by many of our best minds on the subject.
Posted by Chaim 2022-10-18 14:09||   2022-10-18 14:09|| Front Page Top

#75 our Marines are in Sweden now

This is just fucking surreal. Batshit crazy.
As crazy as this story:

independent media sources report that Moscow has required citizens to move their cars out of underground parking garages, so they can be converted into bomb shelters.

There is nothing at stake here that is worth a war with Russia. Nothing worth a single US soldier’s life in that part of the world.

The Biden Pentagon is out of control and needs to be reined in ASAP. End this insanity

November 8 cannot arrive soon enough
Posted by Billy B 2022-10-18 14:18||   2022-10-18 14:18|| Front Page Top

#76 instead we have Joe Biden playing the role of World Policeman. You've heard of cops being "on the take", haven't you? Like I said, it is a part of the world where Joe Biden does not belong.

Joe Biden belongs in the world of the little girls’ showers

Send that demented shithead-pervert out of the White House.

Get his and his freaks’ hands off the nuclear trigger before they blow us all to smithereens
Posted by Billy B 2022-10-18 14:22||   2022-10-18 14:22|| Front Page Top

#77 Tell me Chaim: Which side would you want to win?

Dunno about Chaim but I'd like a negotiated, peaceful settlement that all parties could live with. I'm pessimistic about that outcome, though, especially with leaders like Joe Biden.

Fact is, Ukraine has been at war since the 2014 Maidan Coup, in which the Baraq Obama administration is implicated. That is when ethnic Russian rebels in Donbas decided they'd had enough of Kiev. It's been a bloody mess since then so I'd think Ukrainians would be glad to get rid of it.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-10-18 14:23||   2022-10-18 14:23|| Front Page Top

#78 Billy B

What's batshit crazy about Marines traing with Swedish military?
They did so last year, too.
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-18 14:32||   2022-10-18 14:32|| Front Page Top

#79 Sorry, screwed up the link
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-18 14:34||   2022-10-18 14:34|| Front Page Top

#80 ^You see mistakes happen. This build up is on the next level.
Posted by Dale 2022-10-18 14:50||   2022-10-18 14:50|| Front Page Top

#81 Abu Uluque, you might want to read THIS
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-18 15:38||   2022-10-18 15:38|| Front Page Top

#82 EuropeanConservative,
Btw the word "Scheisskopf" isn't used in Germany.
Maybe, but not knowing that, I used it very successfully in Paris. The French punks went from Americans are this and that to skittering away.
Posted by ruprecht 2022-10-18 16:33||   2022-10-18 16:33|| Front Page Top

#83 Helmholtz today on the continuing destruction of Ukraine’s electricity grid:

The Russian attacks seem to have two focal points:

1. To turn off all thermal (coal, gas) power plants in Ukraine.
2. To destroy those switching station where more than two 330k lines connect.

This will cut the generation capacity in Ukraine by half and totally disconnect some regions, especially in the east, from any generation capacity.

It will thereby darken the cities in eastern Ukraine which will make waging war more difficult for the Ukrainian military. It will also make it more difficult for material support like weapons and ammunition to reach the front lines. (The regions that were integrated into Russia receive electricity from Russia.)

…

Russia has also changed the war's rhythm. While it had so far refrained from hitting civilian infrastructure, aside from electrical transformer stations serving the railroad network, it has now launched attacks on thermal power stations and Ukraine's 330 kilovolt long range electrical distribution network.

In Ukraine, as in Russia, thermal power stations are also used as district heating sources. Hot water is distributed to houses over large pipe networks. When the power stations are out people's homes will freeze. There will also be no drinking water. The freezing lines will experience serious damage.

The Russian attacks are effective — NYT:

From towns near frontline battlefields to high-rises in the capital, Ukrainians were trying to conserve energy as President Volodymyr Zelensky warned on Tuesday that Russian attacks over the past eight days had destroyed 30 percent of Ukraine’s power stations and caused “massive blackouts across the country.”

The latest strikes have increased the likelihood of a miserable winter, with residents having to do without basic services such as heat and water.
Posted by Billy B 2022-10-18 16:35||   2022-10-18 16:35|| Front Page Top

#84 ^ What a proud day to be a Russian.
Posted by Matt 2022-10-18 16:57||   2022-10-18 16:57|| Front Page Top

#85 Writing for the Wall Street Journal earlier this year, David Knight Legg, a renowned energy expert and adviser to investment and political-risk firms, claimed there were “four reasons to think this war is, or will default to, an energy heist”.

You don't think that Biden, whose crack head son was granted a seat on the Burisma board, Biden who held up a $1 billion loan to Ukraine until the prosecutor looking into that corruption was fired, wants to get his hands on those assets? I mean who is stealing what from whom?
Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-10-18 17:18||   2022-10-18 17:18|| Front Page Top

#86 Mods, I'm getting a little tired of watching the "new guys" call long-time citizens of The Burg names - even when I agree with some of their points. Decorum gentlemen decorum. You aren't making any real converts here when you call people like EC names!
Posted by Secret Master  2022-10-18 19:06||   2022-10-18 19:06|| Front Page Top

#87 ^^^^
Ditto
Posted by NoMoreBS 2022-10-18 19:22||   2022-10-18 19:22|| Front Page Top

#88 
Posted by Chaim  2022-10-18 19:49||   2022-10-18 19:49|| Front Page Top

#89 
Posted by Chaim 2022-10-18 19:54||   2022-10-18 19:54|| Front Page Top

#90 Shocking number of Russian corpses a grim illustration of Ukrainian battlefield success

There are a quite shocking number of Russian corpses left in the wake of the Ukrainian blitz on their eastern front.

Kyiv's troops are moving so fast and methodically, there's no time to collect the enemy's dead.

It's a grim illustration of Ukraine's current battlefield successes.
Posted by Cletle Shinese1880 2022-10-18 20:05||   2022-10-18 20:05|| Front Page Top

#91 ^The thing is Chaim that I haven't called you names, am not necessarily your enemy, and you are factually one of the people that showed up after Russia invaded the Ukraine. And some of us have been posting here for a decade or more. So my advice is mellow out and focus on convincing people that you are right.
Posted by Secret Master  2022-10-18 20:12||   2022-10-18 20:12|| Front Page Top

#92 Great globe-spanning curves once again
Threaten doomsday! Oh, wait, it's a Venn...
Or a Spirograph sheet...
No, a little less neat,
Sorting out our New Soviet Men.
Posted by Jeresing Whesing4907 2022-10-18 20:14||   2022-10-18 20:14|| Front Page Top

#93 
Posted by Chaim 2022-10-18 20:16||   2022-10-18 20:16|| Front Page Top

#94 
Posted by Chaim 2022-10-18 20:19||   2022-10-18 20:19|| Front Page Top

#95 Not to slight the ladies (hi, NBF!)...

Though Ivans may strive to be dicks,
Natashas are best known for tricks!
Of passionate Russians
You're having discussions
With, most must be smart Slavic chicks.
Posted by Jeresing Whesing4907 2022-10-18 20:21||   2022-10-18 20:21|| Front Page Top

#96 Cool it, Chaim. You won the argument, hands down. No need to insult.
Time is on our side. This idiocy shall pass (I hope)
Posted by Billy B 2022-10-18 20:23||   2022-10-18 20:23|| Front Page Top

#97 Natashas are best known for tricks!

I love a good honeypot
Posted by DarthVader 2022-10-18 20:23||   2022-10-18 20:23|| Front Page Top

#98 I agree that Jeresing is lame. Like SNL: past his prime. Boring
Posted by Billy B 2022-10-18 20:24||   2022-10-18 20:24|| Front Page Top

#99  Time is on our side. This idiocy shall pass (I hope)

I hope (pray) you’re right, Billy
Posted by Chaim 2022-10-18 20:34||   2022-10-18 20:34|| Front Page Top

#100 To everyone talking about how we shouldn't be there I agree in principal, but, we shouldn't have started. For that I blame Obumbles reaction to Crimea. What happens when the Ukraine falls and Russia / Putin turn on Poland or the Baltic states?

I seem to remember a rather bad situation when part of a country was seized because there were German speaking people there...then they moved on Poland.

Dementia Joe missed his chance to stop this now it's probably too late.


Pray.
Posted by AlanC 2022-10-18 20:37||   2022-10-18 20:37|| Front Page Top

#101 
Posted by Billy B 2022-10-18 20:40||   2022-10-18 20:40|| Front Page Top

#102 
Posted by Billy B 2022-10-18 20:44||   2022-10-18 20:44|| Front Page Top

#103 Oh grow up. Really lame
Posted by Billy B 2022-10-18 21:14||   2022-10-18 21:14|| Front Page Top

#104 YES!! Hope at last. Nov. 8 can’t come soon enough:

House Minority Leader McCarthy Suggests a G.O.P.-Led House Would Question Aid to Ukraine
In an interview, the House minority leader, who is in line to be speaker should Republicans win a majority, said his party would resist giving a “blank check” to the war-torn country.
Posted by Billy B 2022-10-18 21:28||   2022-10-18 21:28|| Front Page Top

#105 That's not lame. This is lame...

Two flamers named Billy and Chaim
Keep claiming me limericks are lame
So I'll torch the whole shelf,
Shoot and A-bomb meself,
Then commit hara-kiri in shame...
And Ukraine is entirely to blame!
Posted by Jeresing Whesing4907 2022-10-18 21:34||   2022-10-18 21:34|| Front Page Top

#106 But at least I'm not getting paid.
Posted by Jeresing Whesing4907 2022-10-18 21:37||   2022-10-18 21:37|| Front Page Top

#107 “Getting paid” — tee hee hee! How original!

So boring.

You’ve lost it, old man.

Posted by Billy B 2022-10-18 21:44||   2022-10-18 21:44|| Front Page Top

#108 And what on earth do you have against Larry Johnson? Did he hit on your wife? Kick your dog?
Posted by Billy B 2022-10-18 21:47||   2022-10-18 21:47|| Front Page Top

#109 Dude used to beat up on my Pistons most distressingly back during the year or two I paid attention to hoops. Shaking a palsied fist at him as I swipe, I am.
Posted by Jeresing Whesing4907 2022-10-18 23:51||   2022-10-18 23:51|| Front Page Top

#110 😎👍
Posted by Dron66046 2022-10-18 23:59||   2022-10-18 23:59|| Front Page Top

23:59 Dron66046
23:55 JHH
23:51 Jeresing Whesing4907
22:19 Slavising Unineting5672
22:01 trailing wife
21:47 Billy B
21:44 Billy B
21:37 Jeresing Whesing4907
21:34 Jeresing Whesing4907
21:30 trailing wife
21:28 Billy B
21:14 Billy B
21:13 trailing wife
20:44 Billy B
20:40 Billy B
20:37 AlanC
20:34 Chaim
20:26 NoMoreBS
20:24 Billy B
20:23 DarthVader
20:23 Billy B
20:21 Jeresing Whesing4907
20:19 Chaim
20:17 Spaimp Clugum6500









Paypal:
Google
Search WWW Search rantburg.com