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Posted by Dar 2004-09-30 5:11:43 PM|| || Front Page|| [11129 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 I'm on pins and needles over the outcome of the debate, but I can't bring myself to watch. Between what I assume will be non-stop lying by John Kerry, and George W. Bush's mangling of the English language, it's just too much: I'd be likely to grab my 9mm Beretta and start blazing away at the TV.

I'll read Rantburg instead.
Posted by Dave D. 2004-09-30 5:41:18 PM||   2004-09-30 5:41:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 Dave D - me too.
Posted by 2b 2004-09-30 5:42:44 PM||   2004-09-30 5:42:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 Soon, the Massachusetts Senator will be known by his scientific designation, Pontificous ramblebloateniferous"

I want to see if he'll be wearing the plastic yellow daisy from the snowboarding days...
Posted by BigEd 2004-09-30 5:53:31 PM||   2004-09-30 5:53:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 Ditto! Too many restrictions on the conditions for the 'debate'! I'm going to tune out also. However for those who watch...post your opin's okay?
Posted by smn 2004-09-30 6:16:43 PM||   2004-09-30 6:16:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 The Debates will be a waste of time. I intend to ignore the hell out of this and all MSM spin on it. I already know who will keep me safe. G.W.Bush. I will not bother to listen to cut and run John "Felching"Kerry.
Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom  2004-09-30 6:22:28 PM|| [http://www.slhess.com]  2004-09-30 6:22:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 I'll be there witha Bush pennant in one hand and the remote in the other.
Posted by badanov  2004-09-30 6:24:27 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org/title-boris.gif]  2004-09-30 6:24:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Bush pennant. Heh.
Posted by Seafarious  2004-09-30 6:25:35 PM||   2004-09-30 6:25:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 NEVER FORGET
JOHN KERRY
IS UNFIT TO FIGHT THE WAR ON TERROR


NEVER FORGET

JOHN KERRY

IS UNFIT TO FIGHT THE WAR ON TERROR
Posted by BigEd 2004-09-30 6:27:28 PM||   2004-09-30 6:27:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Sure is a creepy-lookin' sumbitch, ain't he?
Posted by Dave D. 2004-09-30 6:44:12 PM||   2004-09-30 6:44:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Maybe you missed your calling BigEd, nice little ad there.
Posted by Shipman 2004-09-30 7:21:02 PM||   2004-09-30 7:21:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 Hear, hear, BigE.
Posted by Barbara Skolaut  2004-09-30 7:43:24 PM||   2004-09-30 7:43:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 Big waste o time. Kerry's campaign's becoming more and more disgraceful by the day, and I don't hear anything like an intelligent discussion of Iran or North Korea from either candidate. I can't wait for this election to be over.
Posted by lex 2004-09-30 8:09:02 PM||   2004-09-30 8:09:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 And it begins...

Lehrer is explaining he is God. Etc.

Let's blog it, boys 'n girlz!
Posted by .com 2004-09-30 9:02:24 PM||   2004-09-30 9:02:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 So far so good ... the president's initial pause I THINK made him look thoughtful ...
Posted by Edward Yee  2004-09-30 9:06:54 PM|| [http://edwardyee.fanworks.net]  2004-09-30 9:06:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 Kerry mentions of his combat experience so far: I
Posted by badanov  2004-09-30 9:11:45 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org/title-boris.gif]  2004-09-30 9:11:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 WOW Kerry is on the attack fast!
Posted by Edward Yee  2004-09-30 9:12:10 PM|| [http://edwardyee.fanworks.net]  2004-09-30 9:12:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 Getting personal and, IMHO, Skeery is acting the part of judge & jury. Someone has told him to hit Bush on deaths, methinks.

Dumb comparison between Saddam and OBL.
Posted by .com 2004-09-30 9:13:27 PM||   2004-09-30 9:13:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Kerry denigration of all allies because France and Germany are not in Iraq is a mistake.

So far Bush not as well-spoken as I had hoped he would be.
Posted by .com 2004-09-30 9:15:39 PM||   2004-09-30 9:15:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 Oops, Skeery's on the missing equip, body armor and thin-skin Humvees - part of the $87Bn he voted against.
Posted by .com 2004-09-30 9:17:33 PM||   2004-09-30 9:17:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 Awright - good attack on Skeery for dissin' Allawi and for down-talking troops efforts in Iraq.

All air, no solutions.
Posted by .com 2004-09-30 9:18:46 PM||   2004-09-30 9:18:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 23 mins in the debate and Kerry is just coming off as a micromanaging type in the style of LBJ. What a wanker.
Posted by badanov  2004-09-30 9:22:42 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org/title-boris.gif]  2004-09-30 9:22:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 I think Skeery's scoring points with the shallow folks.
Posted by .com 2004-09-30 9:23:49 PM||   2004-09-30 9:23:49 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 I can't watch!...my spouse says that Kerry is holding his own...darn.
Posted by 2b 2004-09-30 9:23:55 PM||   2004-09-30 9:23:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 I hate to say it but this is not the best night of George Bush.
Posted by True German Ally 2004-09-30 9:25:38 PM||   2004-09-30 9:25:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 Goodie for pointing out the six months talk about artificial deadlines.
Posted by Edward Yee  2004-09-30 9:25:43 PM|| [http://edwardyee.fanworks.net]  2004-09-30 9:25:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 don't forget to go to littlegreenfootballs or powerline to vote after the debate! Dem's are going to try to pull of the whole "comeback" thing and have arranged for their minions to vote early and often.

Wonder if you trash your cookies if you can vote as many times as you please?
Posted by 2b 2004-09-30 9:26:26 PM||   2004-09-30 9:26:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 Kerry mentions of his combat experience so far: II
Posted by badanov  2004-09-30 9:27:21 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org/title-boris.gif]  2004-09-30 9:27:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 Kerry mentions of his combat experience so far: 3
Posted by badanov  2004-09-30 9:28:34 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org/title-boris.gif]  2004-09-30 9:28:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#29 Sigh...

For those who live in a sound-byte version of reality, Skeery's doing very well.

The usual assumption that one who criticizes and claims he would've done something better gets the benefit of the doubt is Skeery's advantage at this point, IMHO.

Bush is going after Skeery's vote against the supplemental funding now - good.

Skeery just mentioned Vietnam indirectly and just defended his actions against it afterwards.
Posted by .com 2004-09-30 9:28:50 PM||   2004-09-30 9:28:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#30 spousy said Bush drew blood on the $87 billion
Posted by 2b 2004-09-30 9:31:00 PM||   2004-09-30 9:31:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#31 2b - Yes to your cookies question - it's the only way the site knows you've been there before unless they're logging IP's. Try it - it shouldn't let you vote again if it's cookie-based.

As for the undecideds, I have Skeery well ahead right now. Lotas memes that take too long to refute.
Posted by .com 2004-09-30 9:31:10 PM||   2004-09-30 9:31:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#32 .com, I'm afraid Kerry caught a very good day. George Bush doesn't bring his points across, appears not to be focused and tries to hard to treat Kerry ironically which does not work here.
Posted by True German Ally 2004-09-30 9:32:11 PM||   2004-09-30 9:32:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#33 Ridiculing Skeery's claim that he'll get more Int'l help - scoring points, IMHO.
Posted by .com 2004-09-30 9:32:12 PM||   2004-09-30 9:32:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#34 TGA - agreed - and that's well put. Sad that you can't destroy memes as easily as they are created.
Posted by .com 2004-09-30 9:33:06 PM||   2004-09-30 9:33:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#35 S says Bush is getting better - he's starting to rally. I took a peek around the corner and thought Bush scored points on the "he forgot Poland"
Posted by 2b 2004-09-30 9:34:44 PM||   2004-09-30 9:34:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#36 What's important is that the president pointed out how Kerry simultaneously promises international help and undercuts it ...
Posted by Edward Yee  2004-09-30 9:35:00 PM|| [http://edwardyee.fanworks.net]  2004-09-30 9:35:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#37 Kerry appears to be more concentrated, packs more info into a sentence and uses his time better. Bush seems to ramble sometimes.
Remember, this is all about appearances, not content.
Posted by True German Ally 2004-09-30 9:35:26 PM||   2004-09-30 9:35:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#38 only to a point TGA...
Posted by 2b 2004-09-30 9:36:12 PM||   2004-09-30 9:36:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#39 I think it is possible that Bush doesn't have to do that well in this debate. I actually don;t expect him to try too hard on this debate. He has Kerry by the gonads on the WOT. Ultimately Kerry is coming off as a micromanager of military and the WOT.

Saying that Bush looks kinda rattled, but I don;t think Bush will be hurt unless he decides to take a poke at Kerry or moon him.
Posted by badanov  2004-09-30 9:37:02 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org/title-boris.gif]  2004-09-30 9:37:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#40 Kerry, once again, denigrating the blood efforts of our soldiers and undercutting our war efforts for his own personal political gain. It's disgusting.
Posted by 2b 2004-09-30 9:37:52 PM||   2004-09-30 9:37:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#41 Bush is picking up some now. Kerry's point about the allies is flawed. He insists too much on that.
Posted by True German Ally 2004-09-30 9:38:03 PM||   2004-09-30 9:38:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#42 They did a side by side shot of both while Skeery was speaking (which I thought was not going to be done) and Bush looked very frustrated.

I see Skeery up - 7 on a scale of 10 where 5 is a tie - so far, anyway.
Posted by .com 2004-09-30 9:39:14 PM||   2004-09-30 9:39:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#43 Same points over and over on Kerry ...
Posted by Edward Yee  2004-09-30 9:39:36 PM|| [http://edwardyee.fanworks.net]  2004-09-30 9:39:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#44 Kerry's delivering nonsense in a smooth and articulate way. The Pearl Harbor analogy was absurd.

Bush scored big when he pointed out the absurdity of attacking the war as "wrong" and then asking the war's critics to join it.
Posted by lex 2004-09-30 9:39:38 PM||   2004-09-30 9:39:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#45 Kerry: I know how to bring ( our allies ) back to the table."

Felching doesn't count, John.
Posted by badanov  2004-09-30 9:39:40 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org/title-boris.gif]  2004-09-30 9:39:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#46 Kerry's points on the French and German "allies" are asinine. Bush is shredding him on this
Posted by lex 2004-09-30 9:40:36 PM||   2004-09-30 9:40:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#47 Bush now effectively attacking Skeery on his votes - and now hitting the flip-flops... excellent.
Posted by .com 2004-09-30 9:40:49 PM||   2004-09-30 9:40:49 PM|| Front Page Top

#48 Skeery on defensive, for the first time. Bush is now driving it home regards inconsistencies in Skeery positions.
Posted by .com 2004-09-30 9:41:58 PM||   2004-09-30 9:41:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#49 Yowch. I like the explicitness of denouncing Kerry as a flip-flop, but it's a gamble, and that pause in the beginning didn't help ...
Posted by Edward Yee  2004-09-30 9:42:10 PM|| [http://edwardyee.fanworks.net]  2004-09-30 9:42:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#50 Kerry's omission of Poland recalled Jerry Ford's Polish, uh, joke of a comment
Posted by lex 2004-09-30 9:42:34 PM||   2004-09-30 9:42:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#51 Bush is scoring better on the emotional level now, Kerry has rambled too much about phony alliances that were not going to materialize.
The Fliflop thing has a "flip side" because sometimes you DO have to adapt to a changed situation. Kerry lost out on not insisting on that.
Posted by True German Ally 2004-09-30 9:44:29 PM||   2004-09-30 9:44:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#52 Kerry mentions of his combat experience so far: 3.5
Posted by badanov  2004-09-30 9:44:47 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org/title-boris.gif]  2004-09-30 9:44:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#53 The "plan" looks great on paper, then *poof* when combat begins.
Posted by .com 2004-09-30 9:46:00 PM||   2004-09-30 9:46:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#54 Oh crap - deer in the headlights moment! I think that was two minutes of staring blankly at the camera ... >_<
Posted by Edward Yee  2004-09-30 9:46:31 PM|| [http://edwardyee.fanworks.net]  2004-09-30 9:46:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#55 Okay, here we go with Skeery's "plan"
Posted by .com 2004-09-30 9:47:36 PM||   2004-09-30 9:47:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#56 Bush must avoid to be too repetitive. He made the same point in three different intervention (wrong war, wrong time...)
Posted by True German Ally 2004-09-30 9:48:26 PM||   2004-09-30 9:48:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#57 Kerry should have outflanked Bush by saying he was totally for the war but then turned against it when Bush/Rummy ignored Shinseki's recommendation... Pose as pro-troops, pro-military; paint Bush as anti-JCS, anti-officers, anti-troops..
Posted by lex 2004-09-30 9:48:28 PM||   2004-09-30 9:48:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#58 THAT is his plan?
Posted by .com 2004-09-30 9:49:28 PM||   2004-09-30 9:49:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#59 You FUCKER. Goddammit Kerry ... and goddammit, I just saw what LOOKED like an eye-roll or at least an exasperated head motion by the president ... at least he used his 90 seconds well to riposte ...
Posted by Edward Yee  2004-09-30 9:49:47 PM|| [http://edwardyee.fanworks.net]  2004-09-30 9:49:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#60 Oh no, he shouldn't say "100000s trained", that doesnt seem to be true yet.
Posted by True German Ally 2004-09-30 9:50:16 PM||   2004-09-30 9:50:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#61 Yes! Out-and-out pointed out Joe Lockhart crapping all over Allawi!
Posted by Edward Yee  2004-09-30 9:50:46 PM|| [http://edwardyee.fanworks.net]  2004-09-30 9:50:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#62 I believe 100,000 total is accurate.

Dissin Allawi was, indeed, a serious fuckup - glad Bush is slapping him for it.
Posted by .com 2004-09-30 9:51:11 PM||   2004-09-30 9:51:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#63 all in all, Kerry's better than I expected... maybe there's hope for us even if Kerry wins
Posted by lex 2004-09-30 9:51:43 PM||   2004-09-30 9:51:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#64 Kerry - demeaning and undercutting our nations war efforts for his own personal gain - again! Must be a special place in hell for people like Kerry.
Posted by 2b 2004-09-30 9:52:01 PM||   2004-09-30 9:52:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#65 I'll send you a postcard, lex, if Skeery wins.
Posted by .com 2004-09-30 9:52:54 PM||   2004-09-30 9:52:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#66  Pose as pro-troops, pro-military; paint Bush as anti-JCS, anti-officers, anti-troops..

Doing that will erode Kerry's base. He can't afford to come off as too much of a hawk.
Posted by badanov  2004-09-30 9:53:10 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org/title-boris.gif]  2004-09-30 9:53:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#67 granted, my expectations were extremely low
Posted by lex 2004-09-30 9:53:23 PM||   2004-09-30 9:53:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#68 Kerry undermining troops morale and Iraqi efforts is a strong point for Bush
Posted by True German Ally 2004-09-30 9:54:38 PM||   2004-09-30 9:54:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#69 He needs to come across as both intensely patriotic and intensely angry at Bush and Rumsfeld. People focus on the emotion, the intensity, the urgency of the argument more than the facts. Why Dean would actually have been a much stronger candidate, nut though he is
Posted by lex 2004-09-30 9:55:17 PM||   2004-09-30 9:55:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#70 S- says Kerry has Bush on defensive right now. I peeked around corner to see Bush lose his train of thought and rely on his notes. AAACK! I can't watch.
Posted by 2b 2004-09-30 9:55:26 PM||   2004-09-30 9:55:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#71 I believe absolutely nothing Skeery sez - except when he's spending my tax dollars in his dreams.
Posted by .com 2004-09-30 9:55:42 PM||   2004-09-30 9:55:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#72 Is Kerry going to make the case that somehow all of al-Qaida was in Tora Bora before the spoken-of incident and that they're only in the rest of the world because of it?

Good + quick response by Dubya though. :) Ludicrous, ouch!
Posted by Edward Yee  2004-09-30 9:56:13 PM|| [http://edwardyee.fanworks.net]  2004-09-30 9:56:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#73 Mikey Moore's not a patriot; Lieberman's not angry. Kerry can win only if he gets a transfusion of McCain-ism, and fast
Posted by lex 2004-09-30 9:56:47 PM||   2004-09-30 9:56:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#74 Kerry's whole career is built upon undermining our nation's war efforts. Not surprising that tonight would be any different. Zebra's don't lose their stripes.

Of course - Kerry did turn orange...(or was it yellow?)
Posted by 2b 2004-09-30 9:56:48 PM||   2004-09-30 9:56:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#75 Nine out of ten Divs? First he complains not enough troops are there; now he says too many...

or something...
Posted by badanov  2004-09-30 9:57:33 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org/title-boris.gif]  2004-09-30 9:57:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#76 agree with Badnov - one problem that Kerry has tonight is that he's pissing off the Deaniacs with his hawk stance. I'm sure it doesn't matter to the ABB folks though.
Posted by 2b 2004-09-30 9:58:39 PM||   2004-09-30 9:58:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#77 Kerry should go hard right on the war now. What's he got to lose? Outflank Bush, throw him off stride, cause him to fumble and stumble
Posted by lex 2004-09-30 9:58:56 PM||   2004-09-30 9:58:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#78 WTH is he doing pulling Kyoto into this ...
Posted by Edward Yee  2004-09-30 9:59:09 PM|| [http://edwardyee.fanworks.net]  2004-09-30 9:59:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#79 Where are the Deaniacs gonna go?
Posted by lex 2004-09-30 9:59:21 PM||   2004-09-30 9:59:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#80 Disgusting collection of BS memes just tossed out. Where to begin? Shit. This is not a debate - it's a talking point joke.
Posted by .com 2004-09-30 9:59:52 PM||   2004-09-30 9:59:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#81 I'm agreeing with you on that one lex
Posted by 2b 2004-09-30 10:00:06 PM||   2004-09-30 10:00:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#82 though I suppose they could go to Nader
Posted by 2b 2004-09-30 10:00:47 PM||   2004-09-30 10:00:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#83 Wow! Good take on the ICC and hard-nosed interests before international popularity ...
Posted by Edward Yee  2004-09-30 10:01:03 PM|| [http://edwardyee.fanworks.net]  2004-09-30 10:01:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#84 K sh play a military-vs-civilians card. Should say s.t. like "The war was not a mistake; Gen. Franks made no mistakes; Gen. Shinseki was not mistaken. It's Bush and Rumsfeld and Wolfowtiz and Feith who made the mistakes in overruling our fine military leaders and leaving our brave troops vulnerable..."
Posted by lex 2004-09-30 10:02:51 PM||   2004-09-30 10:02:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#85 Iranian "moo-las" I suppose it makes $ense
Posted by 2b 2004-09-30 10:03:22 PM||   2004-09-30 10:03:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#86 Huge mistake by Kerry.

Give the moolahs nuke materials then punish them if they build a bomb.

F*ckin' wanker.
Posted by badanov  2004-09-30 10:04:09 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org/title-boris.gif]  2004-09-30 10:04:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#87 It's not about Iran's "nuclear plans", it's about THE BOMB.

Mention the BOMB, George...
Posted by True German Ally 2004-09-30 10:04:15 PM||   2004-09-30 10:04:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#88 s says kerry is smoother
Posted by 2b 2004-09-30 10:04:18 PM||   2004-09-30 10:04:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#89 They won't go to Nader. He's not even on the ballot in many states, and anyway, they swallowed their principles already when they nominated Kerry. They'd rationalize this as the price of defeating Bush
Posted by lex 2004-09-30 10:04:18 PM||   2004-09-30 10:04:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#90 lex - Are you auditioning for a Kerry Admin? Lol!
Posted by .com 2004-09-30 10:05:16 PM||   2004-09-30 10:05:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#91 Sudan: this should be good.
Posted by badanov  2004-09-30 10:05:55 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org/title-boris.gif]  2004-09-30 10:05:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#92 TGA - You've nailed it - make the listeners "feel" the words.
Posted by .com 2004-09-30 10:06:14 PM||   2004-09-30 10:06:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#93 just stating the obvious. Kerry cannot win on Iraq. he needs to express righteous anger without seeming disloyal, and then change the subject back to domestic policy. I'm amazed his people can't figure this out
Posted by lex 2004-09-30 10:06:16 PM||   2004-09-30 10:06:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#94 .com yes... talk about Iranian nuclear bomb, long range missiles etc, mullahs calling for destruction of Israel... missed opportunity
Posted by True German Ally 2004-09-30 10:07:45 PM||   2004-09-30 10:07:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#95 I'm not watching the debate-- I'm reading this thread and hitting the RELOAD button every few minutes.

2b, I thought you weren't gonna watch this shit? Wazzup with that, did S. drag you into it?

How you guys are gonna be OK after this...
Posted by Dave D. 2004-09-30 10:08:41 PM||   2004-09-30 10:08:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#96 Bush is fumbling it - so his incompetent people aren't going to take the heat.

This is a very spotty performance for Bush - Skeery's been consistently focused on his points. Bush's conversational approach is not coming across and his vocal timber is weak. Tight timing debates are not to his advantage because he does not stick to Talking Points.
Posted by .com 2004-09-30 10:09:12 PM||   2004-09-30 10:09:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#97 "Double the special forces" : doesn't work, quality over quantity.

How good are the president's Sudan rebuttals? Kerry just tried to aim at the president's right ...
Posted by Edward Yee  2004-09-30 10:09:24 PM|| [http://edwardyee.fanworks.net]  2004-09-30 10:09:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#98 Darfur... don't mention genocide and then "negociations" and "diplomacy"... that sounds Kerry
Posted by True German Ally 2004-09-30 10:09:29 PM||   2004-09-30 10:09:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#99 Flip-flop, ENOUGH ... I get it ... oh gosh, I'm worrying too ...
Posted by Edward Yee  2004-09-30 10:10:58 PM|| [http://edwardyee.fanworks.net]  2004-09-30 10:10:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#100  "Double the special forces" : doesn't work, quality over quantity.

Old Red Army platitude: There's a certain quality about quantity.
Posted by badanov  2004-09-30 10:12:31 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org/title-boris.gif]  2004-09-30 10:12:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#101 And HOW are you gonna shut down Russia ...
Posted by Edward Yee  2004-09-30 10:16:22 PM|| [http://edwardyee.fanworks.net]  2004-09-30 10:16:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#102 Huuuge f*ckup by Kerry. Stopping a nuclear bomb program. Kerry's doveness is shining through like a split sewer pipe.
Posted by badanov  2004-09-30 10:17:07 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org/title-boris.gif]  2004-09-30 10:17:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#103 Bush just scored big on NorK issue, IMHO. Not enough, however, to swing the sum back to his side. Skeery's ahead.

Still sounds weak... too many hesitant replies. I'm not happy with the boy.
Posted by .com 2004-09-30 10:21:19 PM||   2004-09-30 10:21:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#104 Bush shares on intrade.com have moved up about 2 points during the debate.
Posted by Dave D. 2004-09-30 10:24:36 PM||   2004-09-30 10:24:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#105 Dave - I keep taking a peek - but I can't handle it and come back in here to see what you all are saying!
Posted by 2b 2004-09-30 10:25:19 PM||   2004-09-30 10:25:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#106 Fuck fuck fuck, personal appeal by Kerry, I hate this ...
Posted by Edward Yee  2004-09-30 10:25:36 PM|| [http://edwardyee.fanworks.net]  2004-09-30 10:25:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#107 Improved?

They must think, then, that he has this wrapped up unless he goes into some total meltdown.
Posted by .com 2004-09-30 10:25:38 PM||   2004-09-30 10:25:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#108 Oops - #107 is response to #105 - Dave.
Posted by .com 2004-09-30 10:26:21 PM||   2004-09-30 10:26:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#109 Bush finished strong, I think. He didn't have to do all that well in this subject. Kerry appered to be petty and sniping, sh*t talked about the troops, and the war effort.
Posted by badanov  2004-09-30 10:26:37 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org/title-boris.gif]  2004-09-30 10:26:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#110 Grrr. to # 104. Sorry SKeery's voice makes me see double, heh.
Posted by .com 2004-09-30 10:26:55 PM||   2004-09-30 10:26:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#111 Kerry said it ....he will stop all research concerning 'bunker buster weapons'. Incredible!

Cave dwelling Osama must have loved those comments!

While we are at war against Islamo-fanatics willing to use nukes against us this guy wants make major cuts, not expand our defense against the enemy.

Check out the link on 'bunker busters'
Posted by Mark Espinola 2004-09-30 10:27:58 PM|| [http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/gbu-28.htm]  2004-09-30 10:27:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#112 If I was Karl Rove - I'd be pounding home the fact that Kerry's sudden flip for the war was not supported by his actions and just his political posturing d'jour - and that his comments undermining Bush's war efforts are a 30+year pattern of his using troops in harms way for his own political gain.
Posted by 2b 2004-09-30 10:29:31 PM||   2004-09-30 10:29:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#113 Dammit, why didn't Bush make the point that these bunker busters could take out rogue nuclear weapons programs hidden deep underground?
Posted by True German Ally 2004-09-30 10:29:53 PM||   2004-09-30 10:29:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#114 his comments undermining Bush's war efforts are a 30+year pattern of his using troops in harms way for his own political gain

Amen to that 2b, baby!
Posted by badanov  2004-09-30 10:30:40 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org/title-boris.gif]  2004-09-30 10:30:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#115 Kerry's anti-nuke prolif comments were idiotic. He's slipping back into peacenik/freeze mode
Posted by lex 2004-09-30 10:30:42 PM||   2004-09-30 10:30:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#116 Big-Ed, The only thing that bum has changed since the radical 1960's photos..... is his tie.

Kerry is the same as he always was and proved it over & over again in the debate.

4 more years for President Bush
Posted by Mark Espinola 2004-09-30 10:31:05 PM|| [http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/gbu-28.htm]  2004-09-30 10:31:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#117 Bush missed a huge oppty to crush him on that one
Posted by lex 2004-09-30 10:31:29 PM||   2004-09-30 10:31:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#118 TGA for president. Heh heh.
Posted by Alaska Paul 2004-09-30 10:31:34 PM||   2004-09-30 10:31:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#119  Kerry's anti-nuke prolif comments were idiotic. He's slipping back into peacenik/freeze mode

And dat's just where we want him.
Posted by badanov  2004-09-30 10:31:41 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org/title-boris.gif]  2004-09-30 10:31:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#120 OK everyone - go over to LGF or powerline and vote - and vote often. We have to undermine the dem efforts at their bogus "comeback" plan!
Posted by 2b 2004-09-30 10:31:48 PM||   2004-09-30 10:31:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#121 AP - Agreed!

We need to change that pesky Constitutional thingy!!!
Posted by .com 2004-09-30 10:32:29 PM||   2004-09-30 10:32:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#122 After Kerry's speech this evening the terrorists now KNOW they want him.

They lose and so does John Forbes Kerry
Posted by Mark Espinola 2004-09-30 10:33:08 PM||   2004-09-30 10:33:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#123 They both came across OK, or much better than their detractors would paint them. Kerry's a serious man. Bush is an intelligent man. But neither scored a knockout, which means Bush will win easily in November.
Posted by lex 2004-09-30 10:33:09 PM||   2004-09-30 10:33:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#124 In fact, I'll have that beer for Lucky and another for TGA - sorry it's Brit beer. ;-/
Posted by .com 2004-09-30 10:33:39 PM||   2004-09-30 10:33:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#125 Bush/Rove should be preparing a Kerry-as-freezenik ad right now. This will be devastating
Posted by lex 2004-09-30 10:34:30 PM||   2004-09-30 10:34:30 PM|| Front Page Top

#126 Bush shares up another point on intrade.com since I posted #104... he must have done pretty well.
Posted by Dave D. 2004-09-30 10:34:39 PM||   2004-09-30 10:34:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#127 LOL... well I know about speaking in public... sometimes it's just one of those days.
Posted by True German Ally 2004-09-30 10:35:43 PM||   2004-09-30 10:35:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#128 Ironic that Kerry's main line is that Bush won't change course. Kerry's sticking to an idiotic multilateralist, let's-bring-in-the-French approach despite all evidence that they're on the other side. And reverting to peacenik form re nukes, as if it were still 1982.

Rip Van Kerry
Posted by lex 2004-09-30 10:36:22 PM||   2004-09-30 10:36:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#129 I didn't see the debate, followed RB when I could. Late night at work. If Bush did not totally choke, but scored some points, then that will be the best that can be done in this situation.
Posted by Alaska Paul 2004-09-30 10:37:35 PM||   2004-09-30 10:37:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#130 ok...Kerry's winning by 2x on this poll

MSNBC VOTE


Posted by 2b 2004-09-30 10:39:13 PM||   2004-09-30 10:39:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#131 Now on to more critical matters. 21 14 Navy, AFA threatening 2:25 in the 4th.
Posted by badanov  2004-09-30 10:39:28 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org/title-boris.gif]  2004-09-30 10:39:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#132 Well, it's been 30 years since I spoke in public, so it's disingenuous for me to be overly critical of another in that venue. Sigh. I guess I don't have as many external pulse points, such as intrade, to moderate my reaction...

I give it to Skeery 6-4.
Posted by .com 2004-09-30 10:41:08 PM||   2004-09-30 10:41:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#133  MSNBC VOTE
Posted by 2b 2004-09-30 10:41:32 PM||   2004-09-30 10:41:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#134 .com You give Kerry too much credit. I give it to Bush by a field goal.
Posted by badanov  2004-09-30 10:43:24 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org/title-boris.gif]  2004-09-30 10:43:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#135 Kerry by a hair, which means he lost. He needed to win big.
Posted by lex 2004-09-30 10:44:22 PM||   2004-09-30 10:44:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#136 bad - Glad to hear it! I'm in the middle of my first beer since Bush took office - I hope you're right!

LGF server is swamped - can't get in, heh.
Posted by .com 2004-09-30 10:45:21 PM||   2004-09-30 10:45:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#137 2b - the MSM's internet polls are bullshit. They always swing left
Posted by lex 2004-09-30 10:45:23 PM||   2004-09-30 10:45:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#138 lex - Thx for that take - like I said, I need more data points so some don't loom so large!
Posted by .com 2004-09-30 10:47:38 PM||   2004-09-30 10:47:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#139 MSNBC is going to have 'Caveman' Chris Matthews do the analysis?

I'm sure that will be unbiased!
Posted by CrazyFool  2004-09-30 10:50:27 PM||   2004-09-30 10:50:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#140 Chris Matthews probably gave Kerry his tanning lotion - they both look orange (or is it yellow?)
Posted by 2b 2004-09-30 10:51:59 PM||   2004-09-30 10:51:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#141 Bush needed to show that he was completely in charge, sure of himself, on top of his facts. In general, he was in control but he stuttered and um'ed too much. Kerry only needed to show he wasn't a nut or a wimp.

So net-net, Kerry made a slight gain. But it won't be enough. He didn't open up any new vulnerabilities in Bush or tell us anything we didn't know.
Posted by lex 2004-09-30 10:57:06 PM||   2004-09-30 10:57:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#142 Actually, what scares me is the spin, it's already giving it to Kerry in a landslide on all the networks ...
Posted by Edward Yee  2004-09-30 11:00:20 PM|| [http://edwardyee.fanworks.net]  2004-09-30 11:00:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#143 Lex:

I think Bush is in charge and is sure of himself. I think that Bush disdains the slickness of Clinton and the haughtyness of Kerry. I think what we saw was a leader who didn't use half the facts at his command to crush Kerry. I think Bush wants to win the war (the election ) and is willing to suit up and lose the battle ( a debate )to win that war.
Posted by badanov  2004-09-30 11:00:46 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org/title-boris.gif]  2004-09-30 11:00:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#144 I didn't watch. John "Flecher" Kerry was a star debater in University. Bush isn't and wasn't a great public speaker. Sounds like a draw to me. Thats bad for John "Feltcher" Kerry. Bush has the honesty and facts on his side. John "Feltcher" Kerry has 30 years of betraying the US on his record.

Plan on Rove and Co to make the most out of any mistakes John "Fletcher" Kerry made.
I still don't know why Bush is debating this clown. It's not a legal requirement. I would have told the Dems and the leftist MSM to stuff it.
Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom  2004-09-30 11:12:31 PM|| [http://www.slhess.com]  2004-09-30 11:12:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#145 Ok everyone, point the guns this way. I can take it.

I really thought Kerry was going to hide like a little French poodle. But, Kerry was, as they say in my old hood, "on like neckbone" tonight.

That being said, if Kerry is elected, he better not be a jackass and cancel the nuclear tipped bunker buster program. We need these bombs now, more than ever.
Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-09-30 11:12:40 PM||   2004-09-30 11:12:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#146 You're a troll. I've save my powder, you're not worth shooting.
Posted by .com 2004-09-30 11:17:05 PM||   2004-09-30 11:17:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#147 That's exactly what he promised ...

The takes are mixed but the spin swinging Kerry ...
Posted by Edward Yee  2004-09-30 11:17:44 PM|| [http://edwardyee.fanworks.net]  2004-09-30 11:17:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#148 Rove and Co need to go to town on Kerry's bunker-buster idiocy and remind the voters of Kerry's freezenik past. Tell the voters that this is Cold War II, with Iran and NoK taking the place of the Sovs, and ask whether they really can trust a man who thinks we're the moral equivalent of the mullahs and Fearless Leader. Kerry may have won this skirmish but he opened up a HUGE vulnerability.
Posted by lex 2004-09-30 11:21:27 PM||   2004-09-30 11:21:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#149 Anyone expect the Lefitst MSM to not spin this to John "Fletcher" Kerry?

That is why I wondered why Bush which the liberal MSM hates debated at all? We knew which way the spin would go regardless.
Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom  2004-09-30 11:22:09 PM|| [http://www.slhess.com]  2004-09-30 11:22:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#150 Bush may be in charge but he seemed stymied on the nuke proliferation issue. Too many pauses, ums, no clear and convincing argument made. A bit of battle fatigue.

Kerry OTOH was smooth, confident, and fatuous. Rove and co need to crush him on the French trrops to the rescue idiocy and, especially, paint him as the unreconstructed peacenik/freeze advocate he is. Shouldn't be too hard. Advantage: Bush.
Posted by lex 2004-09-30 11:26:15 PM||   2004-09-30 11:26:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#151 The MSNBC poll on who one the debate has Bush @30% and Kerry @70%
Posted by Mark Espinola 2004-09-30 11:29:21 PM||   2004-09-30 11:29:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#152 Mark: MSM internet polls are bullshit. They always skew left, in a big way.
Posted by lex 2004-09-30 11:37:38 PM||   2004-09-30 11:37:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#153 .com,
If you think I am a troll, why did you decide to comment to my below posting?

Gaza Hospital Is Overwhelmed With Wounded

I believe you are flip flopping.

Ready, set, go...start cursing on the next response.

My hand will not waiver from the bleep button
Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-09-30 11:38:50 PM||   2004-09-30 11:38:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#154 You don't "own" the post, troll-boy. I responded to Silentbrick's comment. Get a life and get lost - not necessarily in that order. You're not intelligent, witty, or noteworthy. FOAD / HAND.
Posted by .com 2004-09-30 11:45:19 PM||   2004-09-30 11:45:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#155 I would not base who won on an internet poll. We know DU is working hard to stuff the ballot box (as well as contact all the MSM and give their 'talking points') below :

Kerry’s Debate Performance

-> America saw John Kerry as our next President tonight.
God help us!
-> Kerry showed strength, conviction and steady command of the facts.
you misspelled lies. He said Iraq was a mistake before he siad it wasn't a mistake
-> Kerry left no doubt he can lead the fight to hunt and kill the terrorists.
Didn't he earlier said it was a law-enforcement matter? Conviction?
-> Kerry offered hope for a fresh start in Iraq so we can finish the job. Kerry has specific plans: Bush had shallow promises.
Kerry plan: Wait until we meet the 'global test' before doing anything. Bush's plan: Kill them. Establish freedom in the ME and let the freedom do the fighting for us
Bush’s Debate Performance

-> Bush had a record of failure to defend, and he failed to defend it.
What failures? Are you channeling Gephart again? There were some miscalculations (see Fog of War) but no miserable failures.
-> Bush refused to take responsibility for his go it alone rush to war. He seemed defensive, annoyed and arrogant.
I dare you to tell the British, or Austrailians, or Polish, or Japanese we gone it alone to their face.
-> Bush had no plan, no clue for ending the chaos; he’s out of touch with reality.
Bushes plan: Kill the terrorist. Establish freedom and let freedom do the fighting. Kerry plan: Wait until we meet the 'global test' before doing anything.
-> Bush can’t fix the mess in Iraq because he pretends things are fine. Pretending is no substitute for planning.
85% of Iraq is fine. No rape rooms or rape squads. The mass graves are no longer being filled up with innocent people. Hundreds of schools and hospitals are on-line. The economy is florishing (except where the jihadist are allowed by the Iraqi people to hold sway...)
Posted by CrazyFool  2004-09-30 11:47:34 PM||   2004-09-30 11:47:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#156 Kerry is a peacenik. Still believes in a nuclear freeze and unilateral disarmament.

Spank this man the way Reagan spanked Mondale and the peaceniks in 1984. End of story.
Posted by Reagan Democrat 2004-09-30 11:52:07 PM||   2004-09-30 11:52:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#157 hehehe... I think wearing a 'red' tie was entirely approprate for Kerry... given his past pro-communist history..... (Just noticed that..).
Posted by CrazyFool  2004-09-30 11:53:07 PM||   2004-09-30 11:53:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#158 Kerry may have won this skirmish but he opened up a HUGE vulnerability.

Not sure that Kerry won - but I agree about Kerry opening vulnerability. After the dust settles - Kerry's overall position on the issues were inconsistent and there are 30 days to point out the inconsistencies to the public.
Posted by 2b 2004-09-30 11:57:24 PM||   2004-09-30 11:57:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#159 Lex, Thanks for the heads up on the MSNBC polls.

The 70% for Kerry must be from those which feel we should speak to the lunatic running North Korea, Kim Ill Dung.
Posted by Mark Espinola 2004-10-01 12:26:36 AM||   2004-10-01 12:26:36 AM|| Front Page Top

#160 Check out Drudge:

LOCKHART: DEBATE CONSENSUS A 'DRAW'

Unbeknownst to Kerry adviser Mike McCurry, a C-SPAN camera quietly followed McCurry as he found Kerry adviser Joe Lockhart on Spin Alley floor and asked him his impression of the debate. Lockhart candidly said to McCurry , “The consensus is it was a draw.”
Posted by lex 2004-10-01 12:37:34 AM||   2004-10-01 12:37:34 AM|| Front Page Top

#161 He will not be able to "spin" it any better than that ever. I am loving it.
Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom  2004-10-01 12:44:03 AM|| [http://www.slhess.com]  2004-10-01 12:44:03 AM|| Front Page Top

#162 Only honorable or honest thing we've heard from Lockhart thus far.
Posted by lex 2004-10-01 12:50:58 AM||   2004-10-01 12:50:58 AM|| Front Page Top

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