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2004-07-14 Europe
Woman ’lied about swastika attack’
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Posted by GK 2004-07-14 12:28:16 AM|| || Front Page|| [11131 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Attention is what she wanted, attention is what she got!
Posted by Anonymous5742 2004-07-14 2:20:23 AM||   2004-07-14 2:20:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 A tip o the hat to Sylwester. Dude you must be doing the jig!
Posted by Lucky 2004-07-14 2:26:28 AM||   2004-07-14 2:26:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 I refuse to give anything like a tip of the hat to Mike---why, out of all the stories posted here about attacks on Jews around the world, does he feel it behooved him to debunk this one?
Even given that this one woman's story wasn't true, it still doesn't explain or make comprehensible the countless attacks on Jews and their property in France since the Intifada began.
And now, the Mooslims have used the Liberal French system for their own ends, making Jews look like 'liars' and Mooslims look like victims who are falsely accused of attacking infidels when we all know that they do!
Say what you will about the 'prescience' of Sylwester, but French Jews are leaving France for Israel in record numbers.
Posted by Jen  2004-07-14 2:34:54 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-07-14 2:34:54 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Sorry Jen, ok? I knew I should have kept my mouth shut. I try so hard too.

I don't get down with anti-jewish smoke though either. Makes me boil. Just Mike called it pretty clearly.
Posted by Lucky 2004-07-14 2:47:55 AM||   2004-07-14 2:47:55 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Serb TROLL 2004-07-14 3:52:08 AM||   2004-07-14 3:52:08 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Muslim Serb, huh?
While there may be Jews in the media, they are self-hating Jews who don't believe in themselves or their God and who don't practice their religion.
Instead they put the "Jewish-controlled" Liberal Left media at the service of the Islamofacists.
For now, Communist-leaning Liberals and jihadi Muslims have made common cause in the WOT.
Go figure.
Posted by Jen  2004-07-14 4:16:26 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-07-14 4:16:26 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Jen, huh? while agreeing that serb is a moron, just listen to yourself, you're just as paranoid and delirious
Posted by Humpty Dumpty 2004-07-14 4:30:29 AM||   2004-07-14 4:30:29 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 Well I admit I was clowned by this story. So I was wrong about it. I am not wrong about anti-semitism in France however. It's the reason I was able to believe it.
Posted by FlameBait93268 2004-07-14 4:44:43 AM||   2004-07-14 4:44:43 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 Just stating facts, Humpty!
Posted by Jen  2004-07-14 4:56:57 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-07-14 4:56:57 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 Jen, take a deep breath, ok? It would be a terrible thing if you burst a blood vessel -- I'd really miss you. As for Serb, s/he is more likely to be Christian Orthodox than Muslim... they aren't known to be philosemitic either.

Serb is right that this woman did get more attention because she claimed to be the victim of an anti-Jewish attack, but fails to realize that there are not very many Jews in the French media, which trumpeted the story because the putative victim is *not* Jewish. Had she been, the world would never have known about the affair.

I've come to believe that to Europeans, anything less than State-organized attacks on Jews -- a la the Nazis -- does not count as antisemitism, but is merely an expression of individual opinion. That, I think, is why they become so angry when we accuse them of it. Not that they are right, mind you, but it seems to be a Continent-wide delusion.

Any thoughts on this from our foreign correspondents?
Posted by trailing wife 2004-07-14 8:14:23 AM||   2004-07-14 8:14:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 I am genuinely glad that the reported attack didn't happen, because if it had it would mark a new low there.

OTOH, I'm confused about the two people whom BBC and IHT both reported as having come forward to the police in support of this woman's story. Did that not happen? Did it happen and they were lying? Was she menaced but not directly attacked, and exagerated?

The 2 reported witnesses gave the story some credence for me. If they never existed or if they told another story, that's a different matter IMO.
Posted by rkb 2004-07-14 9:41:02 AM||   2004-07-14 9:41:02 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 I give credit where credit is due. Mike S. called it right and I was wrong on this one.
Posted by Jarhead 2004-07-14 12:03:35 PM||   2004-07-14 12:03:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 Jarhead, I don't think that "credit" for "being right" about *this* anti-Semitic attack enters into it.
(How did he know?)
There have been an ungodly (literally!) amount of attacks on Jews and their property in France and throughout the West in the last 4 years.
And trailing wife, I will keep ranting until the attacks stop!
(60 years, the world said "Never again." after the Holocaust and now it's happening all over again and the IslamoNazis and their enablers still want the extermination of the Jewish race!)
Now, because of this woman, anyone else who tries to report being the victim of a hate crime against them as a Jew won't be believed and will be discounted accordingly.
Mike should tell the Jews in France he's sorry that Life is going to get even shittier for them there.
Posted by Jen  2004-07-14 12:52:12 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-07-14 12:52:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 Mike was right. And for Christ's sake, get off the freakin' soapbox already, Jen. You've made your normally thoughtful point already but if you want to sound like a shrill hag, well, have at it. You'll be ranting forever and a day. Posting ad nauseum on a freakin' message board will not get it to stop, unless you're more vain than even I have come to believe you are.
Posted by Raj  2004-07-14 1:12:12 PM||   2004-07-14 1:12:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 Not vain, just outraged!
Posted by Jen  2004-07-14 1:18:07 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-07-14 1:18:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 Jen> (How did he know?)

Mike had explained "how he knew", but you were unwilling to listen. And ofcourse now you are turning it to conspiracy theory. He must have been in on it, right?

Whatever.

As for what will happen in France because of this event, I think that most French people know that this single incident doesn't indicate a trend. Antisemetism and antisemetic attacks had been correctly and officially denounced in France, *BEFORE* this occurred.
Posted by Aris Katsaris  2004-07-14 1:36:22 PM||   2004-07-14 1:36:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 And yet, the attacks continue and French Jews are emigrating to Israel in record numbers...
Posted by Jen  2004-07-14 1:41:49 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-07-14 1:41:49 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Here's the story from the Washington Times, which reports that French authorities haven't reached a conclusion about whether the lady's story is true or false and the de facto problem of a huge rise in anti-Semitic attacks there:
Hate 'victim" admits she lied
In a morning radio interview, government spokesman Jean-Francois Cope said that whether the woman's account proved true or not had little bearing on France's need to stem hate crimes.
    The Interior Ministry released figures last week showing that hate crimes had spiked in the first half of the year. There were 510 anti-Jewish acts or threats in the first six months of 2004 — nearly as many as in all of last year, 593.

So that's one attack discounted out of 600 and counting for calendar 2004.
Everyone still ready to relax?
Posted by Jen  2004-07-14 1:53:32 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-07-14 1:53:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 Nobody's "relaxing" and nobody ever said we should be "relaxing". And Mike never disputed the fact that antisemetic attacks existed, he only disputed one quite specific attack.
Posted by Aris Katsaris  2004-07-14 1:57:03 PM||   2004-07-14 1:57:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 It seems that we collectively agree on the following:
1. There are anti-semitic attacks in France and the situation is serious.
2. The one under discussion was a hoax or the lady lied. That does not affect #1.

Let's stop ruminating over it like my son's sheep eating grass and save Fred's bandwidth. End of Story.
Posted by Alaska Paul 2004-07-14 3:18:04 PM||   2004-07-14 3:18:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 Mike was right. And for Christ's sake, get off the freakin' soapbox already, Jen. You've made your normally thoughtful point already but if you want to sound like a shrill hag, well, have at it.

Thank you, Raj. I couldn't have said it better myself. Jarhead, class act, man.

Nobody's "relaxing" and nobody ever said we should be "relaxing". And Mike never disputed the fact that antisemetic attacks existed, he only disputed one quite specific attack.

'Nuff said, Aris.
Posted by Zenster 2004-07-14 3:29:05 PM||   2004-07-14 3:29:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 Ah yes the night of the wanning crescent always brings out the shrillness in us all.
Posted by Harpisboreme 2004-07-14 3:47:18 PM||   2004-07-14 3:47:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 Jen, you mentioned that the Jews are leaving France for Israel in record numbers twice. Why is that a bad thing? Its Frances loss and Israel's gain. Net win for the good guys.
Posted by yank  2004-07-14 3:48:05 PM|| [politicaljunky.blogspot.com]  2004-07-14 3:48:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 yank, not a bad thing except as one more indicator of the seriousness of antisemitism in France, which i think is what Jen was getting at.
Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-07-14 4:01:17 PM||   2004-07-14 4:01:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 Personally I wonder if France will face its problems and have a civil war, or if they'll just flood into Quebec when Shira law becomes the law of the land.
Posted by yank  2004-07-14 5:33:05 PM|| [politicaljunky.blogspot.com]  2004-07-14 5:33:05 PM|| Front Page Top

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Posted by Serb 2004-07-14 3:52:08 AM||   2004-07-14 3:52:08 AM|| Front Page Top

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