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2004-07-12 Israel-Palestine
UN court 'was hijacked' by foes of Jewish state
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Posted by Mark Espinola 2004-07-12 12:31:45 AM|| || Front Page|| [11131 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 "UN court ’was hijacked’ by foes of Jewish state"

And that would be precisely the same set of foes that gave us the so-called "World Conference against Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia and Related Intolerance" which was held in Durban, South Africa from August 31st to September 7th, 2001.

Remember that? The endless stream of anti-Israel and anti-American propaganda that spewed forth? The Der Stürmer-style political cartoons about Jews that were passed around by the Arab delegates?

A few days after the conference ended, came 9/11. As I watched the towers fall, it occurred to me: this is "Durban by other means."

The International Court of Justice can take its ruling and shove it.
Posted by Dave D.  2004-07-12 1:20:46 AM||   2004-07-12 1:20:46 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Shove it twice
Posted by Mark Espinola 2004-07-12 1:30:06 AM||   2004-07-12 1:30:06 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 And thrice.

UN court ’was hijacked’ by foes of Jewish state

There didn't seem to be much of a struggle with the "hijackers."
Posted by Zenster 2004-07-12 2:12:46 AM||   2004-07-12 2:12:46 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 There didn't seem to be much of a struggle with the "hijackers."

Stockholm Syndrome.
Posted by Pappy 2004-07-12 2:47:17 AM||   2004-07-12 2:47:17 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Bottom line---who funds this kangaroo court?
Posted by Alaska Paul 2004-07-12 3:22:48 AM||   2004-07-12 3:22:48 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 "UN court ’was hijacked’ by foes of Jewish state"

A question about the Jewish state? Can a Christian or a Muslim become a citizen there? Is Israel the only country in the world where your religion determines your citizenship?
Posted by Observer 2004-07-12 7:12:29 AM||   2004-07-12 7:12:29 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Yes they can. There are over a million Israeli Arab, Druse and Beduin citizens. They vote and run for government.

Try to get Saudi citizenship if you are anything but a Muslim (and probably only Sunni at that). Try to get naturalized citizenship in any Muslim country if you are a Jew. Heck, it would be interesting to try to get naturalized citizenship in any Muslim country if you are any religion but Muslim.
Posted by ed 2004-07-12 7:25:17 AM||   2004-07-12 7:25:17 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 How many churches have been built in Saudi Arabia, Observer? How many synagogues? And how many mosques are there in Israel; how many churches? You're a hypocrite, aren't you?
Posted by Bulldog  2004-07-12 7:27:44 AM||   2004-07-12 7:27:44 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 What about Morocco, Egypt, and Tunis (to name a few)? They all have citizens with different religions!
Posted by Observer 2004-07-12 7:30:27 AM||   2004-07-12 7:30:27 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 Observer, yes they do, and Iraq even has a few hundred Jews, who keep very quiet for fear of pogroms. But I doubt a Jew, Christian, Hindi, Buddhist, etc, can go to Muslim countries and get citizenship as millions of Muslims have done in non-Muslim countries.
Posted by ed 2004-07-12 7:44:57 AM||   2004-07-12 7:44:57 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 Bulldog,
A hypocrite is a person who preaches something and does the opposite.

Can a black, a Jew, a Muslim, a Woman be a president of the United States?

Can a catholic be a Russian president?

Can a protestant be a British prime-minister?
Posted by Observer 2004-07-12 7:55:20 AM||   2004-07-12 7:55:20 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 Observer yes they can, but like everyone else who becomes a leader of true democratic nation, they must prove themselves (excluding russia, don't know much about the russians)

you must be new here, plenty of people here, myself included think Condi Rice would make an excellent US president (FYI black & female & religion=noidea)
where did the jew comment come from anyway? antisemite is a european problem...
Posted by Dcreeper 2004-07-12 8:15:25 AM||   2004-07-12 8:15:25 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 Can a protestant be a British prime-minister?

Observer - what the hell are you talking about? Are you having a joke, or what? Don't come here if you've only got nonsense to contribute. Our current PM is protestant, you ignorant fool!
Posted by Bulldog  2004-07-12 8:26:55 AM||   2004-07-12 8:26:55 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 Don't get me started... who be this Observer-fucktard?
Posted by Howard UK 2004-07-12 8:30:28 AM||   2004-07-12 8:30:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 You think the name Joe Lieberman would ring a bell for our 'Observer'? Nah.
Posted by Don 2004-07-12 8:53:13 AM||   2004-07-12 8:53:13 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 Observer,how can you observe anything with your eyes closed?I would say more but everybody beat me to it.
Posted by raptor 2004-07-12 9:11:15 AM||   2004-07-12 9:11:15 AM|| Front Page Top

#17 Yea oserver they can. Just get enough ppl to vote for you and you can be all of the above.
Posted by djohn66 2004-07-12 9:58:09 AM||   2004-07-12 9:58:09 AM|| Front Page Top

#18 Our friend observer comes from another universe.

In this universe, anti Israel, anti America, Jew hatred, Islamic supremacy propaganda plays over the intercom 24 hours a day. In this universe, Moslem are never guilty of anything, they are always victims. In this universe, Israel bombs itself to blame it on the Palestinians.
Posted by mhw 2004-07-12 10:01:21 AM||   2004-07-12 10:01:21 AM|| Front Page Top

#19 I recommend observer read a book on the history of Britain, 1500 to present.

BTW, has UK ever had a ROMAN CATHOLIC PM? (Blairs wife is RC, isnt she - but Blair is CoE, no?)
Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-07-12 10:16:48 AM||   2004-07-12 10:16:48 AM|| Front Page Top

#20 Disraeli: He was Britain's first, and thus far only, Jewish Prime Minister. He was born to a Jewish family and baptized a Christian, but nevertheless continued to think of himself a Jew.
http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/b/be/benjamin_disraeli.html
Posted by ed 2004-07-12 10:23:01 AM||   2004-07-12 10:23:01 AM|| Front Page Top

#21 Yet more anti-Israeli diatribe from an inconsequential kangaroo court. I stopped believing in 'internationalism' a while ago - due to obscene circuses such as the Durban 'conference'. The way the UN behaved after 9/11 didn't help either, nor did the revelations over the Oil-for-Food scandal.

LH, I don't know about Roman Catholic PMs, but the most famous Jewish PM was Disraeli. As for Blair 'a pox upon him' - I'm sure I don't care what religion that man practices.

That last comment may seem a bit harsh to our American cousins who appreciate us standing by you, but you *must* remember that Blair is a reconstructed (one could say crypto) socialist, who is giving our country away to Brussels piecemeal. His government is also rushing through legislation to make criticising Islam a hate-crime - hundreds of years of free speech being obliterated without as much as a bye-your-leave.
Posted by Tony (UK) 2004-07-12 10:30:04 AM||   2004-07-12 10:30:04 AM|| Front Page Top

#22 hi antiwar! :)
Posted by muck4doo 2004-07-12 10:31:12 AM|| [http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/]  2004-07-12 10:31:12 AM|| Front Page Top

#23 LH - we've had Jewish (and may have another coming up) and female PMs. What more do you want?!! Zoroastrian? Gay TV Patagonian? We've got a blind Home Secretary (Blunkett)... But I don't think we've ever had a Catholic PM. Nothing constitutilnal to prevent it though. I happen to know a Catholic who's hoping to run for a Parliamentary seat at the next election. He could go far - I'll let you know if he ever makes it to the top!

Cherie is Catholic, and Blair's kids are being raised Catholic, apparenlty. There have been rumours that Blair may convert. I suspect he might have done that if he hadn't been PM, and hasn't done so, so as not to raise unwanted publicity about his fairly intense religious beliefs.
Posted by Bulldog  2004-07-12 10:31:44 AM||   2004-07-12 10:31:44 AM|| Front Page Top

#24 Tony - I don't think that law'll ever make it to the books, do you? It wouldn't last a week if if did - totally unworkable. The popular backlash would rock the British Isles the moment someone was taken to court by an intolerant Muslim... It wouldn't be good news for majority of Muslims, at all.
Posted by Bulldog  2004-07-12 10:36:35 AM||   2004-07-12 10:36:35 AM|| Front Page Top

#25 See this yesterday, Tony? I predict it'll be one of NuLabour's harebrained schemes that withers after a day or two.
Posted by Bulldog  2004-07-12 10:44:01 AM||   2004-07-12 10:44:01 AM|| Front Page Top

#26 Salman Rushdie would've been in the shit if this law existed 15 years ago. Ref: Rowan Atkinson's (?)comments on 'The Life of Brian.' Totally unworkable - another proposed tool to aid the fundies and bash the majority.
Posted by Howard UK 2004-07-12 10:51:48 AM||   2004-07-12 10:51:48 AM|| Front Page Top

#27 But useful against this?

http://www.rantburg.com/poparticle.asp?ID=37805&D=7/12/2004
Posted by Howard UK 2004-07-12 10:54:19 AM||   2004-07-12 10:54:19 AM|| Front Page Top

#28 Howard - not really, methinks. Assault and robbery are already criminal acts, so why elevate such attacks to something the little thugs would be proud of? No need to give them opportunity to see themselves as 'martyrs'.
Posted by Bulldog  2004-07-12 10:57:44 AM||   2004-07-12 10:57:44 AM|| Front Page Top

#29 Could it have taken Abu Hamza off the streets sooner?
Posted by Howard UK 2004-07-12 10:59:27 AM||   2004-07-12 10:59:27 AM|| Front Page Top

#30 Hamza was patently guilty of inciting racial hatred long before the government moved on him. I think the problem there wasn't that the laws weren't there to deal with him, but that the authorities took too long finding the cojones to act.
Posted by Bulldog  2004-07-12 11:07:34 AM||   2004-07-12 11:07:34 AM|| Front Page Top

#31 Well, I'm not having it then. If I can't call a druid a hippy in my own country then it's a sad day. My Grandfather fought in Two World Wars etc etc etc [to fade...]
Posted by Howard UK 2004-07-12 11:11:24 AM||   2004-07-12 11:11:24 AM|| Front Page Top

#32 bulldog and others - I wasnt being critical - Given history, the population mix of the UK, and the role of the PM (as advisor to the monarch) in the CoE, its not really surprising to me that UK would have had only Protestant PM's (in modern times) Just curious, thats all.

Woman PM??? Who, when?

Disraeli - i thought someone would mention him. While that was an admirable example of Britain's freedom from racism and ethnic bigotry, and he certainly had pride in his Jewish origin, he was DEFINITELY CoE, and whatever beliefs were in his heart, being CoE was certainly part of his political persona. Which is what I was getting at.

I presume you HAVE had "dissenter" (non CoE Protestant) PM's. Ramsey McDonald?? How did that play out wrt to the constitutional relationship of PM, throne, and CoE?

Of course if you elect Michael Howard, (who IIUC is Jewish by faith, as well as origin) THAT will be an historic moment.
Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-07-12 11:46:37 AM||   2004-07-12 11:46:37 AM|| Front Page Top

#33 Think LH, think...
Posted by Howard UK 2004-07-12 11:49:50 AM||   2004-07-12 11:49:50 AM|| Front Page Top

#34 I'll take "Malvinas ass-kicking and Galtieri" for $400, Alex
Posted by Frank G  2004-07-12 11:56:51 AM||   2004-07-12 11:56:51 AM|| Front Page Top

#35 Woman PM? Like Thatcher?
Posted by Fred  2004-07-12 11:58:00 AM||   2004-07-12 11:58:00 AM|| Front Page Top

#36 She always claimed to be a woman. Think she was born one too. You'd have to ask her kids about that... ;)
Posted by Bulldog  2004-07-12 12:06:31 PM||   2004-07-12 12:06:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#37 oy vey - a mental block maybe? Or just the after effects of caving this weekend?

I HUMBLY confess to having overlooked the Iron Lady, the milk snatcher, the conquerer of the Malvinas, HERSELF, Margaret Thatcher, Baronness of Whatever.

Hits self on head repeatedly.

Of what does it avail thee to know about mid 19thc Brit politics, if you cant even rember Thatcher?
Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-07-12 1:21:27 PM||   2004-07-12 1:21:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#38 A Catholic cannot be British PM. It is against the law.
Posted by John Simmins  2004-07-12 1:28:39 PM||   2004-07-12 1:28:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#39 Is that right John? Gosh, you'd better tell someone in Whitehall - I think we've mislaid that law somewhere.
Posted by Bulldog  2004-07-12 1:37:21 PM||   2004-07-12 1:37:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#40 I thought it was just that a Catholic cant be the monarch. Im pretty sure that "Catholic emancipation" which opened up offices to Catholics in the 19thc didnt exclude the PM.
Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-07-12 2:00:54 PM||   2004-07-12 2:00:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#41 And everyone kept quiet when Tony Blair pondered conversion... I wonder why?
Is that true? Where's it say so? We can have a jew but not a catholic? How come I not know this? Is someone pulling my leg?
Posted by Howard UK 2004-07-12 2:04:46 PM||   2004-07-12 2:04:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#42 Yup, no catholic monarchs.
Posted by Howard UK 2004-07-12 2:05:55 PM||   2004-07-12 2:05:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#43 LOL LH! I could hear the gears a slipping! :)

I expect they still don't allow Papist dogs to be the Monarch tho... is that still in force?
Posted by Shipman 2004-07-12 2:09:13 PM||   2004-07-12 2:09:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#44 I was being sar-car-stick! A Catholic can be PM just as a Catholic can be an MP, so can a Sikh, Muslim, lunatic - and they are.

A Catholic can't presently be monarch, or married to the monarch, so they can't be Head of State.
Posted by Bulldog  2004-07-12 2:11:30 PM||   2004-07-12 2:11:30 PM|| Front Page Top

#45 Yeah, when will the Royals apologize for their over-reaction? Sheesh, one little Scottish Queen-pretender and the poor Followers of Cathol get axed from the list. Compensation!
Posted by .com 2004-07-12 2:15:38 PM||   2004-07-12 2:15:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#46 Thanks, Bulldog (aherm..)
Posted by Howard UK 2004-07-12 2:34:46 PM||   2004-07-12 2:34:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#47 The whole "no Catholic monarchs" thing came out of the James II / William of Orange thing, didn't it?
Posted by mojo  2004-07-12 4:40:29 PM||   2004-07-12 4:40:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#48 Or just the after effects of caving this weekend?

Well, you certainly do not come across as the usual troglodyte, Liberalhawk. Morlock, maybe, but not a trog. How someone here at Rantburg possibly could overlook Reagan's political paramour is beyond me.
Posted by Zenster 2004-07-12 5:26:02 PM||   2004-07-12 5:26:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#49 #37 - LH, you're a dude :)

#38 - As to the PM not being allowed to be a Roman Catholic - I did not know that. In my humble opinion, I don't think it makes a tinkers toss difference. We did have a little 'altercation' with the Church of Rome around the time of Henry the Eight, but in general, religion is not seen as an issue in this country. If you're in the CofE over here. you're seen as someone who thinks there probably is a God, but isn't too bothered about going to church on a Sunday. Is this bad? Maybe to some, but the point is, generally, we don't kill each other over it (witness Hair, Life of Brian, The Last Temptation of Christ and Mel Gibsons' last work - noone died)
Posted by Tony (UK) 2004-07-12 5:59:43 PM||   2004-07-12 5:59:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#50 Now now Zenster, We all know LH here - sensible discussion is his trademark (under sometimes quite intense pressure). As to missing Mrs T - well, it's just about plausible, and his comment was quite open. Calling LH a Morlock is extreme IMHO.
Posted by Tony (UK) 2004-07-12 6:09:24 PM||   2004-07-12 6:09:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#51 "UN court ’was hijacked’ by foes of Jewish state"

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say it was organized and run by foes of Jewish state?

The whole thing is a force for evil, not good.
Posted by Jackal  2004-07-12 6:25:21 PM|| [http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html]  2004-07-12 6:25:21 PM|| Front Page Top

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