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2020-06-02 -Lurid Crime Tales-
Pres. Trump declared Antifa a terrorist organization, and Democrats are worried
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Posted by Besoeker 2020-06-02 03:41|| || Front Page|| [11130 views ]  Top
 File under: Antifa 

#1 Antifa should remember what happened to the Nazi Party's SA. If the Feds don't smash them, the Donks will when they get delusions of power.
Posted by Mercutio 2020-06-02 05:25||   2020-06-02 05:25|| Front Page Top

#2 Paramilitary arm of the Dems. Well, then it shouldn't be too difficult to find some Dem politicians once the onion skin is peeled.
Posted by Clem 2020-06-02 05:35||   2020-06-02 05:35|| Front Page Top

#3 ACME Brick and Paving Stone Co. Yea, it was our truck wat made the delivery. Receipt? Yea, here it is right here. New customer, never seen em before. Yea, paid cash, small bills.
Posted by Besoeker 2020-06-02 06:35||   2020-06-02 06:35|| Front Page Top

#4 As their children pledge allegiance to ISIS Antifa.
Posted by Procopius2k 2020-06-02 06:47||   2020-06-02 06:47|| Front Page Top

#5 no Exec Order on this as of this post

it isn't so easy to do this, the words matter

antifa is not a transnational org and also antifa is mainly about destruction of property so the 'terrorism' is different than, say, ISIS whose whole purpose is killing people
Posted by lord garth 2020-06-02 10:05||   2020-06-02 10:05|| Front Page Top

#6 No, the right term is not 'terrorism' but insurrection.

POTUS has clear authority under the 1807 Insurrection Act to declare this an insurrection, which case law has defined and clarified further as "a violent uprising by a group or movement acting for the specific purpose of overthrowing the constituted government and seizing its powers."

Antifa/BLM and their allies have a specific purpose of destroying the law enforcement capability of established governments across the United States.

They are not focused on creating fear or gaining property but on eliminating altogether the government's monopoly on violence. In essence they are like the Weathermen or the Black Panthers: a revolutionary organization whose goal is to bring down the government in our cities.
Posted by Lex 2020-06-02 10:20||   2020-06-02 10:20|| Front Page Top

#7 If government has a monopoly on violence, isn't that a violation of the Sherman Anti-Trust Act?
Posted by DooDahMan 2020-06-02 11:10||   2020-06-02 11:10|| Front Page Top

#8 They should be worried. Biden and the DNC funder their legal defense teams. They have been speaking out in their defense publicly. The have blocked Trump in numerous occasions. This all shows complicity and support to terrorist organizations. When Antifa goes gown under RICO, they will be in trouble as well.
Posted by 49 Pan 2020-06-02 11:35||   2020-06-02 11:35|| Front Page Top

#9 

1. Post Hurricane Katrina, the Insurrection Act was amended to include "..any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy..." So it fits.

2. HWBush used pre Katrina version of this law during the Rodney King riots.

3. This only really works well if the State and locals are cooperating with it.

4. My preference is legislation specifically targeting Antifa. Should pass Senate easily. HOR Dems will resist for a while but eventually some Dems will vote for bill.
Posted by lord garth 2020-06-02 11:46||   2020-06-02 11:46|| Front Page Top

#10 fwiw, a resolution was introduced in the Senate in 2019 calling for designation of antifa as a terrorist org (it didn't make it past an introduction)

it is out of date now as antifa's activity has grown by orders of magnitude
Posted by lord garth 2020-06-02 12:45||   2020-06-02 12:45|| Front Page Top

#11  antifa is not a transnational org

Why do you say that, lord garth?
Posted by trailing wife 2020-06-02 12:54||   2020-06-02 12:54|| Front Page Top

#12 lord garth, I believe Antifa claims to be International. Antifa international.
Posted by rjschwarz 2020-06-02 12:58||   2020-06-02 12:58|| Front Page Top

#13 Not a transnational organization? The name itself stems from German:
Posted by Clem 2020-06-02 12:59||   2020-06-02 12:59|| Front Page Top

#14 It's a European, originally Weimar German, movement.

Historical legacy of ANTIFA - "Antifaschistische Aktion", from post-WWI Germany - recounted by a left-wing historian here.

Nb this article' from 3 years ago. Even though this rather pompous historian sniffs that Antifa is just "a left-wing subculture with its own social spaces and cultural life" which "is not the same thing as a mass social movement," they should not be underestimated.

They have learned how to use social media effectively across a broad geographic area in order to identify vulnerable police and then organize swiftly and bring concentrated, overwhelming - and deadly - force to bear against weak or poorly-protected key targets.

If they're not already coordinating across the US and Europe they may well do so in the near future.

Posted by Lex 2020-06-02 13:09||   2020-06-02 13:09|| Front Page Top

#15 Re: #9 - the problem with specifically naming Antifa specifically is, that like Acorn, once it's busted up, it'll re-spawn under a different name without hindrance.
Posted by Mercutio 2020-06-02 13:41||   2020-06-02 13:41|| Front Page Top

#16 They definitely upped their game this time. They need to get smashed before they get even stronger.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2020-06-02 14:23||   2020-06-02 14:23|| Front Page Top

#17 The old saying is, "Your right to swing your fist around at random stops at my chin." Doesn't matter what they are called. It's what they do that has to be addressed. The name "mafia" is not to be found in the phrase Racketeer Influenced Corrupt Organization. There's a reason for that.
Posted by M. Murcek 2020-06-02 14:23||   2020-06-02 14:23|| Front Page Top

#18 The mafia, of course, doesn't exist. Just ask Don Vito.
Posted by European Conservative 2020-06-02 14:54||   2020-06-02 14:54|| Front Page Top

#19 Antifa just replaced the 1900s KKK as the brownshirt arm of the Democratic Party.
Posted by 3dc 2020-06-02 17:06||   2020-06-02 17:06|| Front Page Top

#20 There is only one way to deal with Antifa - crush them. By the way, any rioting/looting in Berkeley make the news? Nope - because Berkeley Antifa no longer exists. This is how it gets done.
Posted by Rex Mundi 2020-06-02 17:28||   2020-06-02 17:28|| Front Page Top

#21 Mercutio, you are correct but hopefully a number will not be able to rejoin the new group for 30 years or more and the funding can be pulled up by the roots so the new group will have less support financial and public.
Posted by rjschwarz 2020-06-02 17:35||   2020-06-02 17:35|| Front Page Top

#22 there is an Antifa in modern Germany and it is watched closely by the Govt there

there are also probably Antifa groups in some other countries in Europe

but there have been almost no antifa sparked riots and looting in Europe

the reason for this is that Jihadist groups do almost all the rioting and looting in Europe leaving little space for antifa

btw, today, the WaPo and Vox have put out antifa apology type articles,

legislation would also allow congressional testimony which would cover the many black property and business owners taken down by antifa which in turn would help get legislation passed and the legislation could be much better focused than an exec order
Posted by lord garth 2020-06-02 18:03||   2020-06-02 18:03|| Front Page Top

#23 Build a database. Tap their phones. You'll have all the "conspiracy to commit..." you will ever need.
Posted by Iblis 2020-06-02 18:43||   2020-06-02 18:43|| Front Page Top

#24 Ship them to Poland , they no how to make brown shirts squeal like pigs .
Posted by Thaith Elmeresing6163 2020-06-02 20:57||   2020-06-02 20:57|| Front Page Top

#25 They're not (yet) sophisticated in the arts of concealing their messages and coordination.

Most of what we need to know is probably already out there on Reddit, Twitter, other public channels
Posted by Lex 2020-06-02 21:04||   2020-06-02 21:04|| Front Page Top

#26 Years ago I remember reading that terrorist's organizations get cut off from funding when they becomes to big of an embarrassment to their state sponsors . Then the devolve into gangs of thieves to fund themselves. The eventually they get cut down and/or arrested by the police.
Posted by Thaith Elmeresing6163 2020-06-02 21:05||   2020-06-02 21:05|| Front Page Top

#27 If the insurance companies cancel coverage on ATM's , will the banks give up on them. If you want cash you'll have to go into the local equivalent of Fort Know ?
Posted by Thaith Elmeresing6163 2020-06-02 21:10||   2020-06-02 21:10|| Front Page Top

#28 ^ Not likely, either way
Posted by Frank G 2020-06-02 22:02||   2020-06-02 22:02|| Front Page Top

#29 other public channels

Like Rantburg?
Posted by Skidmark 2020-06-02 22:50||   2020-06-02 22:50|| Front Page Top

#30 Ant-burg
Posted by Lex 2020-06-02 23:15||   2020-06-02 23:15|| Front Page Top

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