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Khost capture was Zawahiri deputy?
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Afghanistan
CENTAF releases airpower summary for Nov. 14
This daily report from the Air Force often details combat operations a day or more before the ground pounders get around to issuing their press release. Also note the countries involved.
In Afghanistan Nov. 13, Navy F/A-18 Hornets conducted a strike against Taliban extremists near Oruzgan. The F/A-18s expended guided bomb unit-12s on enemy targets.

Navy F/A-18 and Royal Air Force GR-7 Harriers provided close-air support to International Security Assistance Force, or ISAF, troops in contact with enemy forces near Kandahar. The F/A-18s expended GBU-12s, GBU-38s and cannon rounds and the GR-7s expended enhanced Paveway II munitions and rockets on enemy positions.

Air Force A-10 Thunderbolts provided close-air support to ISAF troops in contact with enemy forces near Musah Qal'eh. The A-10s expended cannon rounds on enemy positions.

Navy F/A-18s provided close-air support for ISAF troops in contact with Taliban extremists near Now Zad. The F/A-18s expended cannon rounds on enemy positions.

RAF GR-7s and Air Force A-10s provided close-air support to ISAF troops in contact with enemy forces near Kandahar. The A-10s also provided close air support to ISAF troops in contact near Lashkar Gah.

In total, 48 close-air-support missions were flown in support of ISAF and Afghan troops, reconstruction activities and route patrols.

Additionally, 10 Air Force and RAF intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance, or ISR, aircraft flew missions in support of operations in Afghanistan. Navy fighter aircraft performed in non-traditional ISR roles with their electro-optical and infrared sensors.

In Iraq, an Air Force MQ-1Predator conducted a strike against anti-Iraqi forces near Baqubah. The Predator expended a Hellfire missile on enemy targets.

Air Force F-16 Fighting Falcons provided close-air support to troops in contact with anti-Iraqi forces near Al Iskandariyah, Samarra and Baghdad.

Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles provided close-air support to troops in contact with anti-Iraqi forces near Baghdad.

In total, coalition aircraft flew 34 close-air-support missions for Operation Iraqi Freedom. These missions included support to coalition troops, infrastructure protection, reconstruction activities and operations to deter and disrupt terrorist activities.

Additionally, 13 Air Force, Navy and RAF ISR aircraft flew missions in support of operations in Iraq. Air Force fighter aircraft performed in non-traditional ISR roles with their electro-optical and infrared sensors.

Air Force C-130 Hercules and C-17 Globemaster IIIs provided intra-theater heavy airlift support, helping sustain operations throughout Afghanistan, Iraq and the Horn of Africa. Approximately 130 airlift sorties were flown; nearly 460 tons of cargo was delivered, and some 3,630 passengers were transported. This included more than 47,000 pounds of troop re-supply air-dropped in eastern Afghanistan.

Coalition C-130 crews from Australia and Japan flew in support of OIF or OEF.

On Nov. 12, Air Force, RAF, Singaporean and French tankers flew 36 sorties and off-loaded almost 2.3 million pounds of fuel.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 11/14/2006 13:42 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [367 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Now that will kill a lot of camels !
Posted by: Icerigger || 11/14/2006 13:53 Comments || Top||

#2  This included more than 47,000 pounds of troop re-supply air-dropped in eastern Afghanistan.

A similar number pops up almost every briefing. This has got to be the biggest sustained airdrop in a long, long time - since Korea maybe?
Posted by: Shipman || 11/14/2006 14:46 Comments || Top||


Pakistan Link Seen in Afghan Suicide Attacks
Posted by: tipper || 11/14/2006 01:21 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [348 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Need the surprise meter for this one!!!!
Posted by: Cheregum Crelet7867 || 11/14/2006 10:06 Comments || Top||

#2  To me this comment below sums up why they fight us.They are brought up to hate the infidels!!!!

“I was just thinking of fighting a jihad against the infidels,”

Simple isnt it- if you are taught who the enemy from a young age you grow up believing it Eg. The Paleos,Saudis etc.All comes down to education!This needs looking at asap!!!
Posted by: Cheregum Crelet7867 || 11/14/2006 10:18 Comments || Top||


Zawahiri's deputy captured in Khost
Afghan Islamic Press has gone to a subscription system, so all we have is the headline. Google check returns nothing. I'm guessing the capture refers to Qahtani, whose capture was reported yesterday. More details as they come available, if ever.
Doc nailed it...
Coalition forces have arrested the right-hand man of Ayman al-Zawahiri, the number two in al-Qaida's high command, in Khowst in eastern Afghanistan a few days ago, Afghan Islamic Press reported Monday. The Pakistan-based news agency quoted Khowst police chief Gen Mohammad Ayub as saying that Saudi national Abu Qais who was among the six people arrested in Khowst was the closest aide of al-Zawahiri.
Posted by: Fred || 11/14/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [930 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I question the timing.

Let's retreat.
Posted by: badanov || 11/14/2006 0:34 Comments || Top||

#2  We can't.

Mired down, remember.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 11/14/2006 7:26 Comments || Top||

#3  Didn't Bing and Bob figure out how to get around that in Road to Okinawa?
Posted by: .com || 11/14/2006 7:53 Comments || Top||

#4  Fred, could this be the Link?
Posted by: doc || 11/14/2006 8:21 Comments || Top||

#5  It's a link to Japan Today which reports:
ISLAMABAD — Coalition forces have arrested the right-hand man of Ayman al-Zawahiri, the number two in al-Qaida's high command, in Khowst in eastern Afghanistan a few days ago, Afghan Islamic Press reported Monday. The Pakistan-based news agency quoted Khowst police chief Gen Mohammad Ayub as saying that Saudi national Abu Qais who was among the six people arrested in Khowst was the closest aide of al-Zawahiri.

Looks like the same guy.
Posted by: Steve || 11/14/2006 9:20 Comments || Top||

#6  heh heh - gotta oil up the ululator....

would've been nice to get Ayman's GPS coords before letting this news out, tho'....
Posted by: Frank G || 11/14/2006 9:28 Comments || Top||

#7  would've been nice to get Ayman's GPS coords before letting this news out, tho'....

weapon terminal parameters

Ayman's forehead lump
Posted by: RD || 11/14/2006 12:27 Comments || Top||

#8  I've always wondered...

Did mommy trip on her burqa and drop him on his head?

or

Is he Gorby's twin, separated (sorta) at birth?
Posted by: .com || 11/14/2006 12:30 Comments || Top||

#9  I thought that was a callous from bonking his head on the floor five times a day, every day, day in and day out, year in and year out...
Posted by: Fred || 11/14/2006 12:42 Comments || Top||

#10  Whatever happened to the rumor that Ayman is actually toast as of this haloween? Anyone remember that one? Obviously, I have much salt with me to take grains from.
Posted by: Ol Dirty American || 11/14/2006 12:47 Comments || Top||

#11  I'll bet Zawahiri is changing his address three times a day because of the news. Maybe he'll have an "accident".
Posted by: Old Patriot || 11/14/2006 12:54 Comments || Top||

#12  #9 I thought that was a callous from bonking his head on the floor five times a day, every day, day in and day out, year in and year out...

combined with a depth-perception problem....heh
Posted by: Frank G || 11/14/2006 13:08 Comments || Top||

#13  But which came first?
Posted by: .com || 11/14/2006 13:15 Comments || Top||

#14  oy, bad news.

about AIP going subscription, that is. They were always a pretty a good source on all things afghani.

Glad we got another Zawahiri deputy. One day we'll get lucky and get him.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 11/14/2006 14:33 Comments || Top||


Africa Horn
30 killed in attack on Darfur village: AU
Up to 30 villagers were killed and 40 wounded when armed men riding horses and camels attacked a village in the Darfur region of western Sudan, an African Union (AU) official said on Monday. The attackers are suspected to be janjaweed, militiamen who have killed and plundered across the arid region, helping to drive some 2 million people into camps, said the official, who asked not to be named.
Posted by: Fred || 11/14/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [369 views] Top|| File under:


Bangladesh
Tales from the Crossfire Gazette©
Four more suspected criminals were killed ‘crossfire’ between the criminals and the law enforcers in Kushtia early Sunday, raising the ‘crossfire’ death counts to 708 since June 2004.
Everyone of them a dead commie.
With the death of the four on Sunday, the death count in such incidents rose to five since the caretaker government assumed office on October 29.
Caretaker gummint won't mess with the RAB, it's one of the only parts of B'desh that works ...
The deceased were identified as Babul and his associate Abbas of the outlawed Purba Banglar Communist Party.
How strange, they weren't Islamicists.
The police said they intercepted a gang of extremists on Mohishadanga road under the Islami University police station at about 4:00am while they were going to nearby Ranjitpur.
That's what you get for traveling under a police station at 4 am in B'desh ...
Sensing danger, the extremists opened fired on the police who retaliated, triggering a half-an-hour gunfight.
Spider senses tingling on both sides, and an irresolute gunfight ensues ...
Babul and Abbas died on the spot, the police said.
"Which spot?"
"That spot! Sez 'rosebud' right there!"
The police recovered a light machinegun from the spot.
Ohhh, nicely armed! That goes in the RAB gun crib for another outing ...

Bonus Crossfire!

In another incident, a police team encircled the house of one Gafur Ali at village Goiripara under Daulatpur upazila ...
No, we have no idea where that is ...
... upon information about gathering of a gang of robbers there at about 3:00am.
So these guys were the first act, it seems ...
The robbers opened fire on the law enforcers, forcing them retaliate.
Of course they did.
Shafirul and Mijan received bullet wounds while trying to flee from the scene ...
"Ooch! Ouch! That hurts!"
... and died on the spot, the police claimed.
"Rosebud!"
"Rosebud!"
The police also arrested three other robbers — Abdul, Zaker and Kamal, and seized a pistol with eight bullets from the spot.
Abdul, Zaker and Kamal soon to star in a Crossfire near, ... well, maybe Goiripara.
Posted by: Steve White || 11/14/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [336 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Might be time for the Purba Banglar Commies to hire Bernie Sanders for a recruiting speech.
Posted by: Phineter Thraviger1073 || 11/14/2006 12:19 Comments || Top||

#2  Caretaker gummint won't mess with the RAB, it's one of the only parts of B'desh that works ...

Hell, that's the only part of Bangladesh that works better than the equivaelent in the United States...
Posted by: Ptah || 11/14/2006 20:42 Comments || Top||


China-Japan-Koreas
Japan adopts list of embargoed goods to N. Korea
Japan's Cabinet adopted a list of embargoed items to North Korea as part of sanctions against Pyongyang following a nuclear test last month, a news report said Tuesday. Kyodo News agency said that Tokyo drew up the list in line with UN sanctions put in place after Pyongyang's test on Oct. 9. Japan has banned all of North Korea's vessels from Japanese ports, all imports from North Korea and severely limiting travel from the country since the test.
Posted by: Fred || 11/14/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [358 views] Top|| File under:

#1  PACIFIC STARS-AND-STRIPES > mil servicemember commentary = even iff CHINA continues to plan for China-specific regional hegemony, she as a nation still has to afford = pay for its ambitions. ALSO on SNS/SPACEWAR.com > NORTH KOREA implies its nukes are also intended to protect SOUTH KOREA from Amer nuklar imperialism; and charges that Amer stores up to 1000 nuclear weapons/devices on SOKOR areas, that SOKOR is a de facto US storage area for KOREAS = ASIA THREATENING US nuklar arms.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 11/14/2006 3:24 Comments || Top||


Europe
Paris: Montparnasse evacuated after bomb threat
Police were evacuating Paris' 57-story Montparnasse Tower following a bomb threat Monday, police said. Up to 3,000 people were being evacuated from the skyscraper in southern Paris after an anonymous caller made a threat over the telephone, officials at the police headquarters in Paris said. Police did not immediately find anything suspicious in a search of the building. Sniffer dogs were brought in to inspect all 57 floors, police said.
Posted by: Fred || 11/14/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [334 views] Top|| File under:


Home Front: WoT
How a Marine says Goodbye
Dang...I shouldn't watch these at work...Semper Fi brothers.
Posted by: Unolutle Snavins3556 || 11/14/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [357 views] Top|| File under:

#1  tossed my cookies yesterday ;) ...Fred's generated name showed up instead of mine...

We still breed heros...
Posted by: Warthog || 11/14/2006 9:28 Comments || Top||

#2  put warnings on these before some of do watch at work
Posted by: sinse || 11/14/2006 10:07 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
Crackdown on sub-clans of South Waziristan
The political administration of South Waziristan has launched a crackdown on five sub-clans of the Wazir Ahmad Zai tribe and three sub-clans of the Mahsood tribe. Dozens of businesses of these clans have been sealed off and several tribesmen have been detained in connection with rocket attacks on a jirga convened by the NWFP governor and attacks on electricity towers in the region. The clan of Ahmad Zai has been held responsible for rocket attacks on the recent jirga, and action has been taken in accordance with Section 40 of the Frontier Crime Regulations, under which the clan was pressed to hand over the men responsible for the attacks.

The assistant political agent has also launched a series of operations to crack down on tribesmen from Kani Guram, in connection with the blockade of Laddah Road, while another crackdown on a sub-clan of the Burki tribe is also in progress. The assistant political officer of the area said that tribesmen from the three sub-clans of the Mahsood tribe had been arrested for attacks on electricity towers a few days ago.
Yeah, right. I give the "crackdown" a week.
Posted by: Fred || 11/14/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [345 views] Top|| File under:


Bicycle bomb kills two in Quetta
At least two persons, including an eight-year-old girl, were killed and 15 others were wounded when a powerful bomb exploded in Smmungli area in the provincial capital on Monday. Officials of the police said that the explosive device went off at around 7:30 pm, at Smmungli area outside a fast food centre. The explosive device, which went off with a big bang, was planted on a bicycle of an unidentified person, said officials of police while talking to The News at the site of the explosion.

Following the blast, two vehicles and even number of motorcycles and scooters were damaged, besides, three shops were damaged badly. Due to the explosion the windowpanes of nearby buildings and vehicles, which were plying on the road, smashed. Officials of the police said that the explosive device was either timed or remote controlled. Some other sources confided that it was half-kilogram high power explosive material, which had been connected to a time device. The deceased were identified as Afghan girl who belonged to Uzbek tribe Ruquyya Bibi, 8, and Irfan Baloch, 35. The deceased sustained multiple injuries and breathed their last on the spot.

A large number of people most of them young ones were sitting in the expanded courtyard of the area and enjoying the tea, burgers, fast food and most of them the company of the friends, when the explosive device strapped in a bicycle went off with a big bang, causing injuries to over 15 persons three of them seriously. The injured were shifted to the civil hospital for medical treatment. The limbs and flash of many victims were scattered on the road. Police and the local administration reached the spot of explosion and started investigations. No arrest was made in the incident till our going to the press.
Posted by: Fred || 11/14/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [349 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The limbs and flash of many victims were scattered on the road.

flash? how...descriptive
Posted by: Frank G || 11/14/2006 9:43 Comments || Top||

#2  Bicycle bomb kills two in Quetta

Sung to the refrain of "Daisy Bell"

Islam imam, give me some semtex do
I’m half crazy, worshiping Allah too
It won’t be a precise killing
Some kids will get a drilling
But the whole street will get a sweep
With a bicycle bomb for two
Posted by: Zenster || 11/14/2006 14:43 Comments || Top||


Iraq
10 killed in Baghdad bus bombing; 46 corpses found
At least 10 people were killed in a Baghdad bus bombing Monday. Police around the Iraqi capital also found 46 bullet-riddled corpses, many of them tortured, of men shot to death in apparent sectarian attacks, a security source said. The source said the bodies were recovered since early morning, with six found in Baghdad's northeastern Sunni neighbourhood of Ghazaliyah which has frequently been in conflict with the neighboring Shiite area of Shuala. A police commander kidnapped earlier the same day was among those killed, he said.

The violence followed Sunday's suicide attack on a bus near a church in northeast Baghdad that also wounded 17 people. Those killed in the bus included four women and an infant, a medic at nearby Sadr City's Imam Ali hospital said, adding that most of the corpses were charred beyond recognition.

Meanwhile, the U.S. military said it killed eight "terrorists" in multiple raids around Baghdad and detained another 41, while 10 bodies were recovered from Diyala, a flashpoint province north of Baghdad. Another 11 people were killed in a series of shootings around the country, including six in Baquba and a cameraman working for Sunni-owned satellite channel Sharqiya, shot dead in the northern city of Mosul.

On the political front, Shiite lawmaker Abbas al-Bayati said that "10 ministers are set to change." There are 37 ministers in the cabinet.
I just heard C. Northcote Parkinson snicker.
Bayati said Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki will in the next few days invite all political blocs to propose new names of "three candidates for each ministry," adding that the focus this time was "on efficient technocrats."
Rather than on religious affiliation?
Maliki on Sunday told a closed session of parliament that he wanted a "comprehensive cabinet reshuffle," virtually blaming the current ministries for the precarious security situation in war-ravaged Iraq.
"Idjits! I'm surrounded by idjits!"
Amid the pervasive insecurity, there have also been repeated complaints about government corruption, lack of services and ministries more interested in serving their political parties than the people. Some lawmakers, however, say that the reshuffle would be cosmetic unless a drastic policy shift was announced by the U.S. and Iraqi authorities. "The extent of the cabinet reshuffle depends on the agreement between the political blocs," said senior Kurdish politician Mahmud Othman. "While the change will bring better efficiency in running the government, I do not think it is going to help improve the situation. The situation is very complicated. A lot of time has been lost."

Othman called for a "formula between the Americans and the Iraqis that could include gradual withdrawal of troops," a key factor for stemming unrest, according to Sunni Arabs, apart from the rampaging Shiite militias.
Posted by: Fred || 11/14/2006 13:15 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [354 views] Top|| File under:


AIR STRIKE KILLS 3 TERRORISTS IN YUSIFIYYAH
BAGHDAD, IRAQ – A Coalition Forces air strike killed three terrorists in Yusifiyyah during an operation Monday.

Coalition Forces tracked the terrorists’ movement on a dirt road on the outskirts of Yusifiyya.

Based on intelligence that linked the vehicle and the three terrorists to a local vehicle-borne improvised explosion device facilitation network, Coalition aircraft engaged and destroyed the vehicle with precision fires.

The result of this operation will significantly disrupt the VBIED production in the Baghdad region.

This and other recent operations in the region highlight the deliberate, methodical dismantlement of the al-Qaida in Iraq network and those who contribute to its illegal actions.
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 11/14/2006 11:49 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [375 views] Top|| File under:

#1  They weren't terrorists, just a widowed mother and her two little children on their way from school to the mosque for prayers. (The attack also killed their pet bunny.)
Posted by: Glenmore || 11/14/2006 13:11 Comments || Top||

#2  We killed a bunny!? Murtha will be all over this one.
Posted by: Icerigger || 11/14/2006 13:54 Comments || Top||


Eight More Get Raisins; 16 Defer Until a Later Date
BAGHDAD, Iraq – Coalition Forces killed eight terrorists and detained 41 suspected terrorists while conducting multiple raids in the Baghdad area this morning.

During one of the raids, Coalition Forces called for the suspects in a building to surrender. The suspected terrorists began firing on Coalition Forces and attempted to flee the building. Coalition Forces returned fire killing eight terrorists and wounding one. Sixteen others threw down their weapons and surrendered. Innocent until proven guilty?

The detainees are believed to have close ties with members of an al-Qaida in Iraq terrorist cell as well as links to foreign fighter facilitators.

Recent intelligence reports indicate the al-Qaida in Iraq terrorist cell has been active with local vehicle-borne improvised explosive devices and supporting the foreign fighter network. This intelligence was confirmed after ground forces discovered a suicide IED initiator and other explosive devices during the early morning raids.

Coalition and Iraqi forces continue to conduct operations around the clock and will persevere in their mission to deny and destroy terrorist safe havens, equipment and weapons.
Posted by: Bobby || 11/14/2006 05:58 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [339 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

Allan sendin' forth the raisins.

Posted by: Anonymoose || 11/14/2006 12:41 Comments || Top||

#2  Yet more good news the traitors in the MSM will refuse to report.

Good luck in hell with the 72 raisons you followers of the Pedophile for Profit.
Posted by: Icerigger || 11/14/2006 13:24 Comments || Top||


U.S. Warns Iraq to Stop Shiite Militias
BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - The U.S. Central Command chief confronted Iraq's prime minister on Monday over how Iraqi forces would halt raging violence and signaled a possible prelude to shifts in American policy on engaging Iran and Syria.

The meeting came as sectarian attacks killed at least 90 people throughout Iraq, 46 of them showing signs of torture. The U.S. military announced the deaths of four additional American soldiers.

Gen. John Abizaid, commander of all U.S. forces in the Middle East, sternly warned Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki that he must disband Shiite militias and give the United States proof that they were disarmed, according to senior Iraqi government officials with knowledge of what the two men discussed.

One of the militias, the Mahdi Army, is loyal to anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr. On Monday night, U.S. forces raided the homes of al-Sadr's followers and U.S. jets fired rockets on their northwest Baghdad neighborhood of Shula, residents said. Police said five residents were killed, though a senior al-Sadr aide put the death toll at nine. The U.S. military said it had no comment.

In their meeting, Abizaid also asked the Iraqi leader to give the U.S. military a firm timetable for when Iraq's security forces could take full control of the country, the officials said on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the talks.

Al-Maliki has been pressing the U.S. to move more quickly to hand security affairs over to his army, claiming it could crush violence in the country within six months. On Monday, Abizaid asked the prime minister to give a detailed explanation of how he would do that. The top U.S. commander in Iraq, Gen. George Casey, recently said it would take 12 to 18 months before Iraqi security forces were ready to control the whole country with some U.S. backup.

The U.S. did not respond to requests for comment on Monday's meeting.

But a brief statement by the Iraqi government said Abizaid told al-Maliki he had come to ``reaffirm President Bush's commitment'' to success in this country. It also said the two discussed the ``effect of neighboring countries on the security situation in Iraq,'' a clear reference to Iran and Syria.

That was particularly significant given that al-Maliki had said only a day earlier that he was ready to take ``five steps'' toward Syria if it took one in Iraq's direction.

After more than two decades of virtual estrangement between Damascus and Baghdad, the al-Maliki government has invited Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Moallem to visit and he accepted, although no date had been set.

What's more, the American blue-ribbon bipartisan commission trying to devise a new course for the war in Iraq, which met with President Bush and other White House officials Monday, was widely expected to recommend that the administration engage Iraq's neighbors in a bid to tamp down violence.

The Iraq Study Group plans to announce its recommendations to Bush and Congress by year's end.

The reference to Iraq's neighbors coincided with a call by British Prime Minister Tony Blair for Iran and Syria to help stem bloodshed in Iraq and to join efforts to stabilize the Middle East.

In a major foreign policy speech Monday night, Blair warned there would be no incentives or concessions for doing so and that any failure to assist would lead to international isolation for the two countries.

Blair was to speak with the Iraq Study Group by video-link Tuesday. Britain has been the Bush administration's key ally in the Iraq war and has about 7,000 forces in the country.

The Syrian ambassador to Washington affirmed a readiness to work with the United States.

``We in Syria believe that engagement with the United States on Iraq can help a lot, because we believe that we need to stabilize the situation in Iraq and support the political process there,'' Imad Moustapha told the British Broadcasting Corp.

Both Washington and Baghdad charge Syria with doing too little to prevent foreign fighters, especially al-Qaida operatives, from crossing its border into Iraq. Beyond that, top members of Saddam Hussein's former regime have found safe haven in Syria, where they have operated freely in helping fund and organize the Sunni insurgency that is responsible for the vast majority of U.S. deaths in Iraq.

As for Iran, many of the key figures in Iraq's now-dominant Shiite hierarchy spent years in exile there during Saddam's rule. One Shiite militia was trained by Iran's Revolutionary Guard. Iran is known to fund that militia and the one loyal to al-Sadr. Both are believed deeply involved in the sectarian killing that is tipping Iraq toward all-out civil war.

Abizaid was the third top U.S. official to visit Iraq since Oct. 30, and the meeting came a day after al-Maliki promised to shake up his government in a bid to end the sectarian slaughter.

National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley was first to visit, followed five days later by U.S. National Intelligence Director John Negroponte.

Before Abizaid pushed the same theme, Negroponte also demanded that al-Maliki disband militias by year's end - but was met with a flat rejection. Al-Maliki told Negroponte such a move would be political suicide. Al-Maliki, a Shiite, relies heavily on two major Shiite political groups which run the heavily armed militias.

In Monday's meeting, the government said, Abizaid ``emphasized the multinational forces' commitment to training Iraqi security forces to handle security in all Iraqi provinces.''

Responding to statements by al-Maliki that the United States should move more quickly to hand security affairs over to his army, Abizaid asked for ``proof that Iraqi security forces were capable of controlling the security situation in order for us to give you more powers as the commander in chief,'' according to the Iraqi government officials.

Such a move seemed distant Monday as a police said a bomb detonated on a bus in the northeast Baghdad Shaab neighborhood shortly after noon, killing 20 people. Sunni insurgents have frequently targeted Shiite bus passengers in the sectarian reprisal killings that are tearing at the fabric of Iraqi society.

Hours earlier, Mohammed al-Ban, a cameraman for Iraq's independent Al-Sharqiyah satellite television, was gunned down leaving his home in the northern city of Mosul. His wife was wounded, police said.

Al-Ban is the second Al-Sharqiyah journalist to be killed in recent weeks. Anchorwoman Leqaa Abdul Razzaq was fatally shot last month in Baghdad.

At least 89 journalists have been killed in Iraq since hostilities began in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count based on statistics kept by the New York-based Committee to Protect Journalists. Thirty-five other media employees, including drivers, interpreters and guards, have been killed, all but one of them Iraqi.

Gunmen mowed down at least 23 other people, including a city councilman and a Sunni sheik, in executions and assassinations around Iraq. At least 46 bodies were also found shot and with signs of torture.

Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 11/14/2006 05:16 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [411 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Maliki talks the talk, but he must walk the walk before anyone believes he's not another Olmert.
Token actions are not enough, damn it, we want real improvements, real numbers.
Posted by: wxjames || 11/14/2006 10:58 Comments || Top||

#2  Leave it to the Guardian to dump the dirt. I thought it was peculiar for Gen. Abazaid just to drop in to reaffirm US committment and say "how are ya". He dropped in to tighten the thumbscrews on ol' Maliklik. Demand a timetable from him. It's starting. We're gettin' out. Just how and when is still up in the air. But it's gonna happen fairly quickly. Too much Congressional pressure behind the scenes.
Posted by: SpecOp35 || 11/14/2006 17:56 Comments || Top||

#3  "WE're pulling out" > so the USA is gonna "redeploy" its milfors-assets to nearby, safer, ALLIED-NEUTRAL NATIONS??? How is "redeployment" gonna pacify/appease Radical Islamists whom want a GLOBAL, not just Regional, MUslim-Islamist State? We would not only had wasted our time, $$$, + Warrior's lives in Iraq-Afghanistan, but at best we only get a TEMPORARY LAPSE before US interests both domestic + abroad are attacked again. WOT > AMER ENEMIES > WAR FOR CONTROL OF THE WORLD = WAR TO THE DEATH. BESIDES RADICAL ISLAM, RUSSIA-CHINA'S warnings about WAR AGZ AMERICA AND ONLY AMERICA after Year 2014 or 2015 > AMERICA WILL BE MILITARILY DESTROYED UNLESS IT UNILATERALLY = VOLUNTARILY ADOPTS FAILED AND FAILING SOCIALISM. 9-11 > FREE AMERICA EITHER SURRENDERS, OR IT WILL DIE BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY. AMERICA [by extension the WEST in entirety] IS NOT ALLOWED ANY OTHER CHOICE - THERE IS AND WILL BE NO MIDDLE GROUND ANYMORE. iff only becuz Amer's RINO CINO SECULAR-, and GOD/FAITH-based, SOCIALIST enemies will NOT tolerate the STATUS QUO any more. As already indic, the PRO-CHICOM/ASIA/NK bloggers-posters are already interpreting ANU US WITHDRAWAL FROM THE ME AS THE USA WILL WITHDRAW, OR CAN BE MADE TO WITHDRAW, FROM ASIA-PACIFIC AS WELL. Lastly, the Commies/Chicoms have NOT given up their ambitions to take over 1/2-plus of CONUS-NORAM, NOR TO POLITELY EXTERMINATE 200Milyuhn-plus of Amer's 300Milyuhn-plus population. The latter have made NO DISTINCTION BTWN US LEFTY VS US RIGHTY VS US MODER/CENTRIST VS US INDEPENDENT AS TO WHOM GETS EXTERMINATED.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 11/14/2006 20:25 Comments || Top||

#4  JOE! too many synapses firing. I can't finish it...must reset...brain
Posted by: Frank G || 11/14/2006 20:36 Comments || Top||

#5  Basically Joe's said that if the US withdraws from Iraq, Asia will make the assumption that the US was forced to withdraw, and can also be forced to withdraw from the Asia-Pacific region. Russia and China (given the latter's ambitions of hegemony) will be encouraged to wage war on the US.

Man, interpretion is hard...
Posted by: Pappy || 11/14/2006 21:17 Comments || Top||

#6  Lol, Pappy.

Do you have a text-to-speech app and wear one of those earphone / mic thingys?

;-)
Posted by: .com || 11/14/2006 21:32 Comments || Top||

#7  thx pappy - I find two thumbs deep into the sides of my skull resets enough to finish the JM post...next time I just wait for your translation
Posted by: Frank G || 11/14/2006 22:10 Comments || Top||


Basra boat bombing blamed on rogue Shias: Tatertots Gone Rancid
Video: Insurgents change tactics to bring terror to the waterways

The terrorists responsible for the deaths of four British soldiers killed in a bomb attack in Iraq are suspected to be from rogue Shia militias.

A detailed forensic examination at the scene of the bombing, which also left three soldiers severely wounded, was under way yesterday in an attempt to trace the killers.

advertisementMilitary commanders are concerned that the insurgents had identified a weak spot in British defences by targeting boats on the Shatt al Arab that cuts through Basra.

Security assessments are being conducted to discover how to avoid further attacks on the waterway that the British patrol to prevent smuggling of guns, drugs and cash.

The Ministry of Defence named the regiments of the four men killed in the attack that targeted two patrol boats near a pontoon bridge just two hours after the Remembrance Service in Basra.

One of the soldiers was from the Royal Signals, one from the Intelligence Corps, a third from 539 Assault Squadron and the fourth from 45 Commando, Royal Marines.

One of the seriously injured men had "improved significantly" although the other two remained "very serious", an MoD spokesman said yesterday.

It is believed that a remote control device was used to detonate the bomb as two boats approached the bridge.

Military sources believe the terrorists knew the bridge only opened on Sundays and targeted the troops as they passed through or close to the west bank.

British troops vowed to hunt down the killers once the forensic examination had been completed.

"We will be carrying out a follow-up operation to target those responsible," an officer in Basra said.

Before the attack the waterway, which forms the boundary between Iraq and Iran, had been considered a safer way of transporting troops and equipment than by road.

The Prime Minister yesterday called for Iran and Syria to be engaged in efforts to secure peace in Iraq and the Middle East.

Des Browne, the Defence Secretary, also stressed the situation in Iraq could not be viewed in isolation.

"Throughout the conflict we have been calling on Iran and Syria to do more to stop the flow into Iraq of foreign fighters, bomb-making equipment and know-how," he told the BBC Radio 4 Today programme.

He added that the bombing was a "stark reminder" of the perils faced by troops in Iraq.

He said: "This terrible incident reinforces in our minds the sacrifice made by the brave men and women of our armed forces."

The families of the casualties have been informed but some requested that their names should not be released for 24 hours, the MoD said.


Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 11/14/2006 04:45 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [455 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Time to go to war again.

Draw these militias out - sanitize whole towns in a cordon and clear.

They want to fight, lets fight them Fallujah style.

More troops and a bigger hammer.
Posted by: OldSpook || 11/14/2006 9:02 Comments || Top||

#2  Amen, OS.
Posted by: Brett || 11/14/2006 9:43 Comments || Top||

#3  No. It's time for the various forces in Iraq to forge their own equilibrium. All the US has to do is guarantee Iraq's borders.

Sure, we'll get whining about ethnic cleansing, but when it's done it's done, look at the ex-Yugoslavia.

Posted by: phil_b || 11/14/2006 9:47 Comments || Top||

#4  Phil I was in KFOR briefly. I have lots fo old firends who served there as well. Let me tell you that is NOT a solution. You're simply wrong. Allowing them to kill each other only results in more chaos and the Terrs thrive on that. Its not the right solution unless you want to hand over the entire country to the terrs, and watch the peopel we promised to help build the country become headless corpses. Yours is the wrong answer.

Fallujah is the right answer, although bloody. Fallujah kills the most bad guys, draws in their most dedicated, destroys them and their weapons and supplies, thier command and control infrastructure and tactical leadership in an entire population cetner, and allows the IP and IAF to roll in and keep it clean as long as they have been trained. The harvest of weaponry and bomb parts, etc, is what hurts them the most.

If we did that against several cities at the same time, like Ramadi etc, we'd knock the militias on their heels for long enough that the IAF would be able to get on its feet and administer the follow-on beatings that will be needed.

Securing the border is important, but drawing them in and beating them down on OUR terms FIRST is the way to be sure we aren't closing the barn door and locking the horses in a burning barn.

Clear those cities, and move the Iraqi troops in on our heels. Then set out for the borders and lock things down hard against wepaonry, etc coming in.


Posted by: OldSpook || 11/14/2006 13:02 Comments || Top||

#5  It's really simple...as OS has stated:

1. Surround a city (e.g., Ramadi). Give everyone 2 weeks to vacate. After 2 weeks pound the city to rubble. Hand every returning a check for $25,000 USD and help them rebuild.

2. Declare the border regions of SA, Syria, and Iran a free fire zone from evening twilight until sunrise. Anything, and I mean anything with a heat signature is a target.

Posted by: anymouse || 11/14/2006 16:21 Comments || Top||

#6  fuck the infrastructure, kill all the heads of the shia malitia, waste, destroy, let them come begging.
Posted by: pihkalbadger || 11/14/2006 23:11 Comments || Top||


Gunmen seize 100 at Iraq ministry
Armed men in military-style uniforms have kidnapped more than 100 men from a research institute belonging to Iraq's higher education ministry.

A ministry spokeswoman said the gunmen arrived in new pick-up vehicles and stormed the ministry's Research Directorate in central Baghdad.

They ordered women into one room and seized the men, including employees, guards and visitors to the building.

Academics and researchers have been frequent targets of violence in Iraq.
Posted by: phil_b || 11/14/2006 04:03 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [683 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It's now 150, all Sunnis.
Posted by: phil_b || 11/14/2006 6:51 Comments || Top||

#2  Odd - the Education Minister's position went to a Sadrist, Khodair al-Khozaei, according to Wikipedia... Perhaps they're just now "cleansing" this site of its Sunnis. It's only fair, of course, under the sectarian arrangements in the Iraqi "constitution". It's prolly traditional to kill them, too.
Posted by: .com || 11/14/2006 7:48 Comments || Top||

#3  Oh, wait - it's the Higher Education Ministry, which is a Sunni allocation. Of course, now it all makes sense why it'd be chock full of Sunnis. Definitely, they'll hafta be killed.
Posted by: .com || 11/14/2006 7:50 Comments || Top||

#4  Fraking barbarians. Crap like this makes me think dark thoughts about the "Nuke Them All" way of treating them. Religion Of Peace, yeah right.

Gawd how I hate it when the President uses that line. Islam doesnt mean peace, thats Salaam. Islam means SURRENDER, literally, your surrender.

Ok President Bush, where's your Religion Of Peace?

They seem to be damn busy slaughtering each other right now...
Posted by: OldSpook || 11/14/2006 8:47 Comments || Top||

#5  Bush has already surrendered so it is a religion of Submission "Peace".
Posted by: DarthVader || 11/14/2006 9:26 Comments || Top||

#6  I thought everyone in Irag had guns. No way these guys would take a smart person without a fight if they knew they were going to die, just somewhere else.
Posted by: plainslow || 11/14/2006 9:45 Comments || Top||

#7  Bush has already surrendered so it is a religion of Submission "Peace".

Yet another step-in-the-road towards this site becoming a branch of the Daily Kos. Maybe y'all should hit up Soros to pay for your bandwidth?

It's all the same "emotions" as Kos, but with different faulty logic behind it.

ANd it's really useful for letting the "BettyCrockerCrats" pretend they're serious about defense, because people can come to a "conservative" site and see nothing but a tsunami of bullshit.
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 11/14/2006 10:38 Comments || Top||

#8  I've reached the opinion that we've tried to save the Moslem Middle East from Islamism via a democratic experiment and are very close to failing. The cost so far has been relatively high, both in terms of our heroic soldiers who have fallen and treasury expended.

The cost will be much higher once the Democrats deliberately sabotage the democratic experiment. Much higher than what followed the abandonment of South Vietnam to communists.

But I don't lay all the blame at the feet of Democrats. A Republican majority failed to make the case for the destruction of Iran and Syria. And Moslems failed to take care of their own problems.
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 11/14/2006 10:42 Comments || Top||

#9  Phil,

How else would you explain the backpeddaling, appeasement, never standing up to the MSM lead charge to whitewash what the real Islam is?

Here is some emotion for you, put on a damn burka while putting your head in the sand.
A lot in the military (I know, I work with them) only support Bush because he at least makes a half hearted attempt at removing some of the terrorist leaders. The rest, the clerics, can still plot and spew their rants from the safety of their Mosques, which we can't touch without an act of God, and from behind their state sponsored hosts, which we will never touch even with an act of God.

We are fighting this war with both hands and feet tied behind our backs, never attempting to touch the real leaders behind the movements while trying to make nice and go all PC so the world doesn't hate us more than it already does (most don't, they just don't want us rocking the boat since they might get hurt circa 1930s).

We are close to loosing this round of the fight and taking some real heavy casualties here at home. The US is faltering and empowering those that would do us great harm and I'm sick and tired of idiots like you not seeing what is happening and then berating us for telling what is really going on.
Go over to Kos, since you like them so much and practice your bowing east. Looks like you are gonna need it.
Posted by: DarthVader || 11/14/2006 10:54 Comments || Top||

#10  Bush is also about to sell us out at the border. He never did want a border fence, and now he is planning an amnesty for all his Mexican friends. Phalk him, I'm sorry I didn't back Gary Bower.
Posted by: wxjames || 11/14/2006 11:05 Comments || Top||

#11  Bush, you prick. What the fuck have you done for me lately, eh?

Doesn't matter if the Iraqis are their own masters, now. Doesn't matter that they elected this pile of Shia Shiit. Doesn't matter that Arabs are a lost cause when there are other Muzzies to be killed. I want somebody's ass on a platter - right now, goddamnit.

None of it matters. You're a worthless scumball who's never done nuthin'. War on Terror? What fucking war? Fucking pussy.

And where's that goddamned fence? I called for it weeks ago, you asshole. I don't care if you need Congress to do their bit - you're a worthless piece of shit and I'm glad you're gonna be a lame duck for your last two years. Jerkoff.

Who cares if the Dhimmis set us back 10 years in the next two? Not me, man, I want fucking revenge and I want it now, baby. You're it.

What have I ever done? Well, I'm a voter and, uh, um, I sent you a message - one you'll never forget. I put the Enemies of the State in power and I'm glad. GLad - do you hear me - glad. Fucking Republicans. Fucking Bush. Fucking fuck fuck fuck.

I'm mad as hell and I'm gonna blame you for everything that's wrong - everything. You're not allowed to displease me or act contrary to my wishes. You're my goddamned pet clone - do you hear me? Fuck you, you fucking fuck. Die.

/Howard NeoBeales of the Apocalypse
Posted by: .com || 11/14/2006 11:41 Comments || Top||

#12  The current situation is obviously (by the insurgents) modeled off the Algerian Islamic revolt.
Ask the Algerian generals for some ruthless troops to put this shit down.

Or... try some interesting non-traditional warfare ... oh that's right ... we are to moral to do non-traditional war....

Just for one week I would love to see Israel add LSD into Gaza's water supply... You know as an uncontroled experiment so see if extreme drugs make any difference in a barbarbian enviroment. The experiment should be followed with deep interest by Pelozi's SanFran electorate... Maybe on a reality sat tv?

If it mellows them it should work in Baghdad? No?

Posted by: 3dc || 11/14/2006 12:12 Comments || Top||

#13  I took hundreds of acid trips. Made me mellow.
Posted by: .com || 11/14/2006 12:19 Comments || Top||

#14  .com, lol!

You forgot the obligatory spit on Rummy. It's all his fault too. And Karl Rove.
Posted by: anon || 11/14/2006 12:20 Comments || Top||

#15  It was those "unknown unknowns" which held me back, anon, lol.
Posted by: .com || 11/14/2006 12:21 Comments || Top||

#16  yeah, right...mellow like "expensive" moonshine
Posted by: Frank G || 11/14/2006 12:23 Comments || Top||

#17  P.D. It's a classic.

I read the comments and was reminded of the comic of years gone by "I have seen the enemy and he is us." Things are is going to get bad, we can't be slitting each other throats without reason.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 11/14/2006 12:30 Comments || Top||

#18  I'm feeling real contrite, now, SPoD. Mods, please remove one or two fucks for me, K?
Posted by: .com || 11/14/2006 12:38 Comments || Top||

#19  Then it wouldn't be a classic anymore, PD...
Posted by: Dave D. || 11/14/2006 12:39 Comments || Top||

#20  Am I correct in interpreting #11 more or less as, "Oh, for cryin' out loud, stop blaming Bush for every damn thing!!"?
Posted by: Dave D. || 11/14/2006 12:41 Comments || Top||

#21  Academics and researchers have been frequent targets of violence in Iraq.

This smells of Islamic roots. Could be that these "academics" pissed off a couple of mullanimals. I'm thinking these folks are dead, beheaded for allah.
Posted by: Icerigger || 11/14/2006 12:45 Comments || Top||

#22  Well, um, yeah, I guess so, Dave D.

Y'see, I gots this "Credit where Due, Blame where Due" credo thingy which kinda prevents me from blaming my hang-nails and unfulfilled Christmas wishes on other folks... and reminds me it could be a LOT worse. Like the next two fucking years are gonna be... Oops, sorry. My bad.

Those gosh-darned Shia, I tell ya, they really do sorta irk me, sometimes, y'know?
Posted by: .com || 11/14/2006 12:50 Comments || Top||

#23  Thinkin' and learning must be centered on and only about allen. These poor people worship the wrong allen and are thinkin' about stuff other than allen or something like that.

It an excuse, it's ramping up pressure on the Iraqi government and us and it's sectarian. It is to encourage the dhimmi to cut and run and the Iraqi government to colapse. We know who the leaders behind this stuff are but since we have "honor" and play by the "rules" this stuff will continue to happen. It's past time to drop a cement truck or two on the people behind this stuff, Sheite or not.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 11/14/2006 12:54 Comments || Top||

#24  Well, it better be good acid, not that speedy shit if it is going to work. Actually an interesting idea given the navel gazing that goes hand in hand with psychedelic drugs. Navel gazing is not something that islam promotes. Maybe their heads would all explode.
Posted by: remoteman || 11/14/2006 12:57 Comments || Top||

#25  "Well, um, yeah, I guess so, Dave D."

Heh. Yeah, I figger'd that's what you was sayin'...

One thing I think the Administration really did mess up on, though, is in their apparent assumption that the American people could be relied on to figure out for themselves what we are trying to do in Iraq (the "see if Islam can be pacified by democracy" thing), even in the face of continual MSM/Donk efforts to discredit it. They didn't do the guidance thing, the laying out of the big picture, and I believe they could have done a lot more.

[/dickless whining]
Posted by: Dave D. || 11/14/2006 12:59 Comments || Top||

#26  Lol... Black Osley or Orange Barrel? Decisions, decisions. Pssst - the Purple Flats are actually horse tranqs... pass it on. 8-p
Posted by: .com || 11/14/2006 13:00 Comments || Top||

#27  A couple gallons of Liquid from Pelozi's home district should do it.... Sources should be easy to aquire. Just check any MSM private jet leaving SanFran..
Ya' know before the UPS guys get rid of it.

I think it would do wonders for the the Friday Services...
Posted by: 3dc || 11/14/2006 13:07 Comments || Top||

#28  Yep, the leadership made some dumb moves, both military and civilian - e.g. like stopping in Fallujah and Najaf for political support that never materialized (Why, he didn't ask? Cuz they're fucking ARABS, goddamnit!), the delegation of authority we all cheered as proof that it wasn't gonna be another McNamara War was fumbled like a greasy pigskin on ice - several times - and eventually overtaken by the sovereignty thingy, and whatever message they tried to deliver was drowned out by the entire fucking world MSM. Lotsa blame to go around. And a smattering of credit, here 'n there.
Posted by: .com || 11/14/2006 13:09 Comments || Top||

#29  My thinking has changed a lot on this. I hope the entire middle east (save Israel) descends into a civil war. How else are we going to purge the radical islamist scum that occupies significant parts of the entire area? This nation doesn't have the will anymore for military action on any scale. Oh how the last of the Greatest Generation must be looking at the rubber-kneed fools in office now. These good-for-nothing leftists are on a two track system to bring the nation to its knees. Internally bog us down with more and more socialism (Thanks Bush for the new Medicare Drug welfare program and the bloated spending and thanks Hillary for the coming takeover of the Healthcare industry etc, etc, etc.) and externally they will pacify and surrender to the threats that faces us. Which track brings us down first? These clowns will be in diapers by the time they figure out what they've done. They will have burned through all the money their parents left to them leaving the next generation the job of caring for them. I do have to say though, the thought of a diapers clad Bill and Hillary or Howard Dean stuck in a gummint old age home sounds ok to me.


Sorry about getting off track...
Posted by: Intrinsicpilot || 11/14/2006 13:18 Comments || Top||

#30  Yet another step-in-the-road towards this site becoming a branch of the Daily Kos. Maybe y'all should hit up Soros to pay for your bandwidth?

It's all the same "emotions" as Kos, but with different faulty logic behind it.


Phil that was low - plus it was weak and stupid as an argument - you're the one pulling a "Kos" here.

Please point out the faulty logic in my calling the president's use of "Religion of Peace" when referring to Islam. And show convincingly how I'm doing Soro's work. I'm interested in how you managed to wrap yourself so far around the axle that you'd see things that way. And I do know Islam, I've studied it off an on since the early 80's when I first took comparative religions, then learned Arabic Iraqi-dialect at DLI, which included a huge dose of the culture. I've been over ther in peacetime and at war in the arab world, and have first hand experience at the non-arab Islamic world as well.

Islam is now where Christianity was centuries ago - still sounding out violence and faith. Unfortunately for them, as Pope Benedict has pointed out, they have carte blanche to abandon reason and use force explicitly to either convert or kill unbelievers, and to subjugate "people of the book". this alone makes it tend toward violence - this makes it uniqeu as a relgion that *requires* initiation of force without cause, as a way of converting adherents.

Its all there in black and white. The only peace in Islam comes AFTER submission to their authority. And that's why the President should refrain from using that term. Islam means submission, literally and figuratively. Period.

I know WHY Bush said "ROP", its political. But I severely disagree with his reasoning and judgement on this issue. That hardly puts me in league with Soros.

The truth hurts but it must eventually be said:

Islam as it stands today: The dominance of Persian Fundamentalist Shia, and Arab Wahabbi/Salafist Sunnis, and their tendency toward imposing Sharia along with their strict hierarchical view of the world, as well as their promotion of militancy, intolerance and the abandonment/subjugation of reason - that makes Islam a cult of violence, and the antithesis of western civilization, a threat to its very survival. Calling it something other than what it is, is aiding and abetting the willful blinding of the west to the threat at hand.

Remember your Burke.
Posted by: OldSpook || 11/14/2006 13:24 Comments || Top||

#31  "...rubber-kneed fools in office now"

Rofl. Yah, well, you're traveling back 'n forth in time, there. The voters have spoken, and rubber knees are everywhere. Now, it's just lame. Soon, it will be something else entirely...
Posted by: .com || 11/14/2006 13:26 Comments || Top||

#32  Yeah, strike the "now". This has been building for a long while.
Posted by: Intrinsicpilot || 11/14/2006 13:36 Comments || Top||

#33  I'm sooo there, bro.

This moment in time is what I think a rational person would say is what they had in mind when they said, "and it all looks like up to me"...
Posted by: .com || 11/14/2006 13:44 Comments || Top||

#34  old spook - I've got to disagree with you when you say Islam is now where Christianity was centuries ago - still sounding out violence and faith

Christianity has always been a peaceful religion. There have been many atrocities committed in the name of Christianity, but the religion itself has always been one of tolerance, forgiveness and charity. I know that you know that.

I'm bringing this up because I was thinking about this earlier. Religions stick around for thousands of years because they are good ideas and it is tough to kill a good idea. The major religions give good advice on how to get the most out of life. The boring kind - like if you want to lose weight you should eat less and exercise more. But if you do it, it works.

But then I thought about Islam. Islam has been around for centuries as well. Islam doesn't seem to help the societies in which it is practiced. Ahh - but Islam requires converting by the sword. It has to kill anyone that disagrees or questions it. Why? It wouldn't survive without it.

just musing.
Posted by: anon || 11/14/2006 13:46 Comments || Top||

#35  More musing...

you know what is going to kill Islam? Rap.

I'm serious. Rap will kill Islam. You've seen the videos that are coming out from the islamic rappers in Paris and elsewhere. It's violent and frightening in that it will increase rape and other violent crime.

That rap threatens the clerics. Why? Because it is cool and it attracts the kind of people that the clerics need to blow themselves up. Those full of hate and anger and who want what they want now. It's easy to pass around on cell phones or computers. But it is self-indulgent and those who create it will soon question the clerics and muftis. They will soon have their own followers, their own clergy. They won't be able to keep it down or control it.
Posted by: anon || 11/14/2006 13:53 Comments || Top||

#36  Let's get back on topic:

How's this for a scenario? We go to the Sunnis and read them the riot act. Tell them that only if they agree to halt this internecine slaughter will we do anything to rescure their fellow hostages.

If they agree, we use special forces to rescue these chumps the best we can.

If Sunnis do not agree or backpedal on the agreement, we pull back to our bases for 30 days and let these maggots go at each others' throats for an entire month.

Let the Sunnis get their ass handed to them on a plate and give the democrats a foretaste of what retreat will mean in Iraq. This will only strengthen what is left of any valid position on why Iraq requires our presence.

To paraphrase OldSpook; What's the use of a bully pulpit if you're going to mumble?

The White House needs to get off of its ass and crank up an office of military media that begins to highlight our successes in the way thet the MSM refuses to do. Aside from the almost unavoidable historical insanity of letting politicians fight a military battle, the lack of honest propaganda about this war has been one of the most glaring lapses in reason for the republicans with respect to Iraq.

The White House is well aware of the MSM's opposition to all things Bush. Rathergate should have cemented that notion forever. Why they have not sought to counteract this dripfeed of ideological poison into our nation's bloodstream is beyond me. The republicans paid dearly for it and will do so again if they cannot bring themselves to correct this situation in the next two years.

Posted by: Zenster || 11/14/2006 13:58 Comments || Top||

#37  How can a prefectly normal democracy produce a clusterfuckingquagmire like the newly elected Congress ?
a. too many voters receiving a daily dose of misinformation.
b. career politicians out of touch with the issues of the street.
c. parties with political agendas so repugnant that they must mask their reality by running political puppets speaking one way and voting another.
d. lack of enough moral fiber to oppose criminal behavior among candidates.
e. media attempts to coverup reality and substitute critical issues with superficial missing persons.
f. confusion among voters as to who controls the weather.
g. all of the above.
h. experimental voting patterns.
i. voting machine disfunctions.
j. it's the will of the people.
Posted by: wxjames || 11/14/2006 14:06 Comments || Top||

#38  Religions stick around for thousands of years because they are good ideas and it is tough to kill a good idea.

What you are calling a "good idea" is better known as a meme. A meme does not have to be a "good idea" in order to survive. It merely needs to be a convincing or persuasive concept that will self-generate thereafter. Memes do not always confer beneficial properties upon those who convey them, just like polio or AIDS. Islam DOES NOT bring with all sorts of "good advice on how to get the most out of life" for the masses.

Islam is all about conferring power upon an elite few and enabling the weakest intellects under them to survive by granting these underlings unearned privileges. Islam subjugates almost half of its population (i.e., women) in abject captivity and abuse thereby rewarding the weak intellects for supporting it. It is NOT a "good idea", it is a virulent and toxic meme that manages to survive through parasitism and forcible subjugation. Islam's complete and total lack of civilizational progress is testimony to how stagnant and counter-evolutionary this meme is.

But then I thought about Islam. Islam has been around for centuries as well. Islam doesn't seem to help the societies in which it is practiced. Ahh - but Islam requires converting by the sword. It has to kill anyone that disagrees or questions it. Why? It wouldn't survive without it.

See above. Also, Christianity DID go through a phase of extreme violence. Ask the Jewish people. Perpetuation of an monstrous lie called "The Blood Libel" was used to justify the most hideous treatment of Jews for CENTURIES. Yes, Christianity has now evolved beyond that, thank goodness.

Unfortunately, due to the existence of weapons of mass destruction, we do not have the luxury of allowing Islam a similar evolution, if it is even possible for it to evolve. This goes back to my first points in that it is entirely possible that Islam will NEVER EVOLVE.

All indications are of a stagnant ideology that, through administration of force, violence and extreme subjugation, has managed to persist despite imposing severe retrograde conditions upon its adherents. Islam is essentially a kleptocracy for a very elite few and a mode of control for the ranks of cannon fodder below.

Islam's death penalty for apostasy guarantees perpetuation of its meme in an untampered with form. The persistence of this meme is assisted by the unearned status conferred upon its adherents. Merely examine the constant demands made by Muslims for preferential treatment if you need any proof of this. This fixation with unmerited status (dhimmitude) and unearned wealth (jizya), constitute the most dangerous components of this meme and represent significant reasons to exterminate it if it cannot be rehabilitated. Again, the very nature of this meme and the self-defense mechnisisms it has put in place in order to survive unaltered make it most likely that extinction is the only probable outcome.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/14/2006 14:25 Comments || Top||

#39  Sometimes I wish .com would finally go postal to get it over with.
Posted by: Clanter Flineque8995 || 11/14/2006 14:38 Comments || Top||

#40  Sometimes I wish .com would finally go postal to get it over with.

The living would envy the dead!

[/Herschel Krustofsky]
Posted by: Zenster || 11/14/2006 14:50 Comments || Top||

#41  Zenster - I was perfectly serious!
Serious. We don't think out of the box enough!

They need to be mind-fucked!
Face their deamons head on and see what shits they are!
If you don't like that one there is a certain gas that is a bit stronger ok 1000times... and will certainly stop the fighting for awhile as they will not have enough running to figure out what the hell a gun is!
Posted by: 3dc || 11/14/2006 15:02 Comments || Top||

#42  3dc, I understand where you're coming from, but the last thing we need is accusations of using chemical warfare, even if it is of the psy-ops variety. Yes, the jihadists need a major mindfuck. No doubt about it. I would prefer to see it come in the form of having large crowds of Muslims gather for a speech only to watch their favorite spittle flecked cleric get his head blown clean off or take a Hellfire missile up the shorts.

The other mindfuck that needs to go down is the air-dropped distribution of a highly realistic Middle East version of "The Day After Tomorrow". We need to show Muslims what sort of catastrophic nuclear immolation awaits another major Islamic atrocity.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/14/2006 15:12 Comments || Top||

#43  we dont need no water
let the motherfucker burn
burn motherfucker burn
Posted by: come on party people || 11/14/2006 15:14 Comments || Top||

#44  A meme

call it whatever you want, Zenster. It changes nothing. Some people call it a duck, some call it a bird, some call it a foul. It is what it is.
Posted by: anon || 11/14/2006 15:22 Comments || Top||

#45  Iraqi Forces surround hostage takers.
Posted by: doc || 11/14/2006 15:38 Comments || Top||

#46  Zenster, I've got to go with anon on this one. Islam does, in fact, confer some benefits on its adherents, in that it gives them something all humans seem to need, which is...I don't know what to call it. Connection with the divine, maybe; maybe just a set of comforting rituals. However you want to frame it, Islam provides some benefits to its believers. The dark side is the tools the religion provides to create more believers: force as a matter of doctrine.
Posted by: Jonathan || 11/14/2006 15:42 Comments || Top||

#47  "Islam is all about conferring power upon an elite few"

Exactly - that is why I mentioned hierarchical nature. As opposed to individualism the Christianity supports, Islam supports surrender to those above you and surrender to you of those below you.

It goes back to almost Babylonian times in terms of they way they see the world.
Posted by: OldSpook || 11/14/2006 15:43 Comments || Top||

#48  "It goes back to almost Babylonian times in terms of they way they see the world."

-and may I add the way they see the world is my tribe over yours.
Posted by: Broadhead6 || 11/14/2006 16:01 Comments || Top||

#49  Are the Iraqis going to pull a Ruskie style theater raid w/gas to recover the hostages? This could get interesting.

Posted by: Broadhead6 || 11/14/2006 16:03 Comments || Top||

#50  A meme.

Why don't you try asking .com about this. I'm fairly confident he might be willing to post something about it.

call it whatever you want, Zenster. It changes nothing.

I sure as hell refuse to call Islam a "good idea". Certainly not when it seeks to kill half or more of this world's population. I'd suggest that you reconsider as well.

Some people call it a duck, some call it a bird, some call it a foul. It is what it is.

Nice little Freudian slip there. I call it "foul" because Islam steals from many to empower a very few. This is the exact opposite of modern Christianity, although even Christianity once served in that capacity, as in the divine right of kings thingy.

Zenster, I've got to go with anon on this one. Islam does, in fact, confer some benefits on its adherents, in that it gives them something all humans seem to need, which is...I don't know what to call it.

Try calling it "divine authorization". It has little, if anything, to do with enlightenment. It has everything to do with imposing control of the masses. Equating it to a social contract like the Ten Commandments is being far too generous, precisely because of the preferential empowerment of men over women and Muslims over the kufar. Again, Christianity went through this phase as well in how it regarded heathen. Any of you who doubt this should watch "The Mission" with Robert De Niro.

I suggest that you pay close attnetion to what OldSpook is trying to tell you.

Exactly - that is why I mentioned hierarchical nature. As opposed to individualism the Christianity supports, Islam supports surrender to those above you and surrender to you of those below you.

It goes back to almost Babylonian times in terms of they way they see the world.


Islam is not an enlightened creed. Its treatment of women renders any such claim null and void. If it spews like a terrorist, subjugates like a terrorist and kills like a terrorist, IT AIN"T A RELIGION, it's a viral meme.

Paging .com. If you would be so kind, sir.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/14/2006 16:08 Comments || Top||

#51  Zen, you've missed my point. Islam may not be enlightened but it is a religion and it does something for its adherents that humans require. It may not be enlightenment, but it does satisfy spiritual needs. That's why it's so much more dangerous than, say, communism, and why one good way to counter it is direct confrontation by another belief system: perhaps a militant Christianity, perhaps a reformed Islam. We've just got to hold it off long enough for the reformation to take place (perhaps).
Posted by: Jonathan || 11/14/2006 16:22 Comments || Top||

#52  Its not reformable?
Consider its basic tenets and verse are suppose to be word from word exact from Allen as transmitted to man thorugh is epileptic medium Mohammand.

Not open for interp at all.
Posted by: 3dc || 11/14/2006 16:32 Comments || Top||

#53  Again, I resist any urging to call Islam a religion. It is a political ideology masquerading as a religion. Period. Consider how well Islam satisfies the supposed "spiritual needs" of Muslim women, and the horrific price they pay as part of this creed. Consider the intense warping of mind, body and soul that Islam's pervasive sexual child abuse (see: Chesler, et al) has upon its practicioners.

I definitely agree with you that the putatively religious nature of Islam makes it far more dangerous than communism, although they both shared similar elements of zealotry. Islam's afterlife components are what probably elevate its threat level.

As I have mentioned before, unless an Islamic sect of radical reformists arises and arises damn soon, Islam will probably end up being exterminated. Only radical reformists stand a chance of killing off sufficient numbers of the jihadis soon enough to prevent them from committing an atrocity of such jaw-dropping magnitude that we are mandatorily obliged to annihilate the entire MME (Muslim Middle East).
Posted by: Zenster || 11/14/2006 16:35 Comments || Top||

#54  I do have to say though, the thought of a diapers clad Bill and Hillary or Howard Dean stuck in a gummint old age home sounds ok to me.

I would rather see them wearing blindfolds and standing on the trapdoor to a gallows myself. Bush41 & 43 as well. And, Bush is going to attempt to push his immigration agenda through and the Dems will be most obliging. Look for some gun control and an AWB like ban as well tacked right onto that sucker.

It is probably going to be impossible to survive (as a nation)the cumulative effects of the next two years. I see Civil War, or possible seccession by possibly the Southern States at least, it will be led by Texas. The Mountain States will be probably follow. We might have to shed the two coasts entirely, then retake when they fold. I was hoping for a calmer and more peaceful time for my 50's & 60's. Maybe I'll move to India or Australia. Hard to believe that the Left could screw things so badly. Whatever happens, it's going to go very quickly. Crap.

Posted by: Mick Dundee || 11/14/2006 16:36 Comments || Top||

#55  groan. First, it doesn't appear that you actually read what I wrote - despite the fact that you cut and pasted it.

Second, Islam is a religion. Call it a meme if it makes you happy.

I don't like the Democrats, but they are still a part of our Republic and I don't like what is happening to our Republic. I don't like that illegal immigrants get to negate my vote. I don't like that our congressmen and Senators believe themselves to be Princes above the law. But none of that changes the meaning of the ideal that our founding fathers intended when they created this Republic, which has produced the most free and prosperous society in recorded history - even with Pelosi in charge (for now).

The point of the above being that a "Republic" is a form of government that was a good idea. it was based on Christian Principles and Roman Democracy. Currently, it is the best available. It may fail. People may corrupt it. Within a Republic you can always find examples of how it is NOT working or how it was abused. And if you focus only on that, it starts to look like a bad thing rather than what is clearly overall a good thing.

Likewise Islam is a religion. It may not work well and my point was that it can not exist without the sword - unlike Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Mormonism, etc. It is not an idea that will reseed itself just becaue it works. It has to be forced, by the sword, to spread.

Grapefruit diets come and go. But the idea of "eat less and exercise more" never goes away.

These are all analogies. If you can't make the connection, then I can't help you.
Posted by: anon || 11/14/2006 16:53 Comments || Top||

#56  You can cut the condescending crap anytime, anon.

It may not work well and my point was that it can not exist without the sword

You have just described a political ideology, not a religion. Both of us should be intensely thankful that we live in a country where we can agree to disagree, at least if you are so inclined. Your smarmy attitude does your arguments not one bit of good.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/14/2006 16:59 Comments || Top||

#57  Look for some gun control and an AWB like ban as well tacked right onto that sucker.

Well Mick, I hope you're doing your part this week:

http://www.ammoday.com/index.php/about/

Posted by: Intrinsicpilot || 11/14/2006 17:03 Comments || Top||

#58  Likewise Islam is a religion.

Islam is not a religion. And as long as people like you, lotp and Jonathan insist otherwise, it will always have the undeserved blush of legitimacy and authenticity. If you can't understand that, YOU, can't be helped. And furthermore, YOU, aren't helping.

Muhammed/Mohammed, whatever, understood 1400 years ago what many others have come to understand, power and wealth can be had by controlling the masses and there is no better way to do that, than through religion. So he created one, and he was very shrewd in how he constructed it. It must be killed, even if it means killing most of the die-hard muslims.

I think many would bale given the opportunity. Of course it helps to remember that 80% to 90% of the muslims in this world are uneducated, superstitious and easily led people. Couple that with tribalism and the combination is deadly.

Posted by: Mick Dundee || 11/14/2006 17:08 Comments || Top||

#59  Well Mick, I hope you're doing your part this week:

Actually, I have all the firearms and ammo I can handle/need. Any more and I would misallocating funds/resources from other importants areas.

But thanks for thinking of me. How about you, got ammo?

Posted by: Mick Dundee || 11/14/2006 17:11 Comments || Top||

#60  Your smarmy attitude does your arguments not one bit of good.

Look who is talking! The man whose idea of an idealogoy is to kill them, kill them all!!! That is basically the essence of every post you have ever posted.

You are like the alter ego of the liberal who just thinks if you wish good thoughts good things will happen. Instead you think you can just eliminate billions who disagree with you. Women, children, no problem. Nuke em, glass em. Let the shias and sunnis wipe each other out.

Yeah, that's nice, Zenster. Unless you consider that lots of those people are real people who never hurt anyone and who just happen to pray to another God.

I don't know what religion your ancient forefather's belonged to but if you were a German you would have been keen to work the showers and bread machines. I'm sick of your one and only solution to every problem in the world - blood lust. Maybe a little meme would do you good.
Posted by: anon || 11/14/2006 17:13 Comments || Top||

#61  But thanks for thinking of me. How about you, got ammo?
Not me. I figure Martian intervention on the side of the New CSA. They owe us.
Posted by: Shipman || 11/14/2006 17:19 Comments || Top||

#62  I'm sick of your one and only solution to every problem in the world - blood lust. Maybe a little meme would do you good.

And I'm sick of your Pollyanna garbage. We'll see how feel when they saw your head off, or the head of someone you know/love. Wake up, look at the 1400 years of Islams history, add up the vanished cultures and societies. Hell, you've even touched on a couple of Islams traits that make its extermination justifiable. So close, but you just can't see. Well, not until it is too late anyway.

There are always those that see with greater clarity, earlier, than the majority. And they are always ignored or marginalized by the Pollyannas' like you, right up to the point when reality kicks down the door and seizes them by the neck and rips their empty head off.

Oops, got to head out for school, will play more later. Have fun kids, Zenster, try not to hurt anyone. You too .com.
Posted by: Mick Dundee || 11/14/2006 17:23 Comments || Top||

#63  How about you, got ammo?

Yes, stocked up pretty good. But everyone could always use some more.
I'll be adding a few more gems at this show in a few weeks:

http://www.smallarmsreview.com/Sarshow2006.htm

This is by far the best gun show out West.

Now back on (the same old) topic: Is Islam a religion and did it cause gunmen to kidnap 150 at the Iraq ministry?

Answer: Maybe and Yes.
Posted by: Intrinsicpilot || 11/14/2006 17:28 Comments || Top||

#64  I see just fine, thank you. And I also see that you can't stomp your foot and eliminate people who have nothing to do with the problem and not create hatreds that will cause you problems for one thousand more years. There is good and their is evil. When you call for killing the good - you are evil.
Posted by: anon || 11/14/2006 17:29 Comments || Top||

#65  damn. there
Posted by: anon || 11/14/2006 17:34 Comments || Top||

#66  Islam is a cult because it is not based on divine leadership. Mohammed was a bullshit artist who lied to everyone and then killed anyone who called him on it. One proof is that Christianity and other religions are based on moral control of self. If you read between the lines, it's a sin to manipulate, control, enslave, or victimize anyone. Islam is based on sin. Therefore, it is the devil's religion. a 'religion' that advances the very thing that every other religion criticizes.
We are sorry that innocent misinformed people are all caught up in Islam, but they don't give a shit about our civilian deaths. They hide behind their slave masters and cheer when our towers fall.
If civilization fails to put an end to radical Islam because civilization cannot abide the death of innocents, then civilization fails, and all is lost.
Conside that when the soldier's bullet blows the heart out of the enemy's chest, that is murder except he was ordered to do it. The other side of that coin is that innocents will be killed in kind without regard to their innocents, but because they are there, and that is not murder.
Posted by: wxjames || 11/14/2006 17:51 Comments || Top||

#67  Yep.

Hang Bush(es) check
Civil War Soon check

Yep.
Woooooof!
Posted by: Shipman || 11/14/2006 17:59 Comments || Top||

#68  I see just fine, thank you.

Obviously you do not. Read #66, he's far more articulate than I am. As far as I am concerned there are no innocents in Islam. Also, there is not "foot stomping" here, just consistent and dispassionate stating of the facts.

Islam, delenda est.

Posted by: Mick (from school) || 11/14/2006 18:12 Comments || Top||

#69  OK, first things first. Darth Vader said:

How else would you explain the backpeddaling, appeasement, never standing up to the MSM lead charge to whitewash what the real Islam is?

Here is some emotion for you, put on a damn burka while putting your head in the sand.
A lot in the military (I know, I work with them) only support Bush because he at least makes a half hearted attempt at removing some of the terrorist leaders. The rest, the clerics, can still plot and spew their rants from the safety of their Mosques, which we can't touch without an act of God, and from behind their state sponsored hosts, which we will never touch even with an act of God.

We are fighting this war with both hands and feet tied behind our backs, never attempting to touch the real leaders behind the movements while trying to make nice and go all PC so the world doesn't hate us more than it already does (most don't, they just don't want us rocking the boat since they might get hurt circa 1930s).

We are close to loosing this round of the fight and taking some real heavy casualties here at home. The US is faltering and empowering those that would do us great harm and I'm sick and tired of idiots like you not seeing what is happening and then berating us for telling what is really going on.
Go over to Kos, since you like them so much and practice your bowing east. Looks like you are gonna need it.


Ah, it's all because of _me_ that we're in the situation we're in?

Because I won't mindlessly agree to a mantra ("Bush has surrendered") that sounds like it came from a Michael Moore movie (you know, the one where he said he was a Saudi puppet)?

You also talk about wanting to deal with the leaders. (In a military, not a diplomatic sense).

Well, I've got a big question for you: do you want to fight with the Mad Mullahs and Imans or do you want to fight the whole damn population of Iraq?

I'd rather the US did the former. Having the president come out and say "Islam is a menace" would probably wind up causing the latter.

-----------------------------
Phil that was low - plus it was weak and stupid as an argument - you're the one pulling a "Kos" here.

OS, I'm told to shut up and put on my burqua if I dispute the assertion that Bush has surrendered.

All without any sort of hint on how to win the battles the country is actually IN at the moment.

I'd like to see... I guess, a discussion of tactics we could attempt today instead of waiting for the day everything goes to hell so we can escalate.
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 11/14/2006 18:19 Comments || Top||

#70  Of course it helps to remember that 80% to 90% of the muslims in this world are uneducated, superstitious and easily led people.

Fuck yeah.
Posted by: Uloluth Chinetch5315 || 11/14/2006 18:20 Comments || Top||

#71  Civil War Soon check

Fuck I hope so.
Posted by: Uloluth Chinetch5315 || 11/14/2006 18:22 Comments || Top||

#72  Islam is a religion. It's got a god at one end, religous authorities in the middle, believers who'll go to a glorious afterlife, and the non-believers who will be punished by the god in this world and the next for refusing to believe. As it stands it is not a very good religion -- no religion that acquires and keeps most of its believers by force and abuse possibly could be -- but then the cult of Mammon, in which babies were hurled alive into the fire, was once a legitimate religion, too.

But so what? It doesn't matter if Islam is or is not a religion; that's like arguing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. What matters is how we are going to beat the political system that uses Islam as the center pole holding up the tent of Muslim society. All the rest is word chopping... although it does seem to be igniting flame wars.

Islam delenda est? Probably, including those too young to know what they are supposed to believe. But not because it is or isn't a religion. Because the society built around it refuses to play nicely with the rest of us.
Posted by: trailing wife || 11/14/2006 18:28 Comments || Top||

#73  Someone's frothing at the mouth again.
Posted by: Lou || 11/14/2006 18:31 Comments || Top||

#74  Much frothing here today. I love the "is islam a religion" question. Certainly not from my perspective, but it sure is from its adherents, which I believe was Jonathan's point.

islam uses a lot of the same players as the Judeo-Christian religions, so it can claim that it is playing on the same field so to speak. But it does have all of the elements of a whacked out cult in my mind and is designed to dominate rather than enlighten its adherents.

This is where scientology went wrong. Its basic premise is just too out there for all but the most weak-minded to believe. But islam used known players and added to them. Verwy Cwever!!!

I hope there is reformation, but I really doubt it will happen. Some western city is going to be smoked long before any reformers gain enough power to off the number of nutroot mullahs it will take to change things. So, it is pretty clear to me that Zenster is not wishing for the destruction of the MME, particularly the innocents within, but that he feels it is inevitable.
Posted by: remoteman || 11/14/2006 18:34 Comments || Top||

#75  I've read this thread through and the second thought that occured to me was how proud I am of our soldiers and Marines in Iraq and Afghanistan.

How proud I am that they, the constant targets of terrorists, have shown such restraint when engaging the enemy, doing their utmost to prevent the deaths of Iraqi civilians, when it would be so easy to slaughter them by the ditch load.

More restraint than we used in France, Belgium, and Italy during WWII. More restraint than we exercised in Korea and Vietnam. And it speaks well of us, as a country, and as human beings, that we have done so.

It may very well be that our country, and our allies, will be engaged in a terrible war, a catastrophic war that would see not only the deaths of thousands, or hundreds of thousands in distant lands, but also the death of cities in the United States and Europe, too. You better think long and hard about what you are calling for, because there is a good chance that if the war you want comes knocking, you and I won't be around to see its end.

Posted by: mrp || 11/14/2006 18:35 Comments || Top||

#76  Whatever happened to dawg bites tire? This thread has that Pure as a Driven Nordic Storm kookiness.
Posted by: Shipman || 11/14/2006 18:44 Comments || Top||

#77  You better think long and hard about what you are calling for, because there is a good chance that if the war you want comes knocking, you and I won't be around to see its end

That'll be true regardless. It's our children who will be forced to deal with it.
Posted by: Lou || 11/14/2006 18:46 Comments || Top||

#78  islam is a cult, masquerading as a religion. If anyone gains spirituality from it, that is their doing, not the result of the cult itself. It seeks to control its members movements and thoughts entirely. What other major religion aspires to do that? We have more than our share of cults out here in lefty land, my cousin had to rescue his kids at gun point from a cult. His ex is still there for all I know. It's sad that some good people have gotten caught up in the cult that is islam, but I'm not about to project their goodness onto the cult itself. No way.
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 11/14/2006 18:54 Comments || Top||

#79  You better think long and hard about what you are calling for, because there is a good chance that if the war you want comes knocking, you and I won't be around to see its end.


Who said anything about wanting it? Why wait for it to come knocking? That's the whole point of preemption, to not wait for death and destruction to come to you.

If we wait, you're probably correct, a lot of us won't be here to see the end. If we shatter them now, maybe the survivors can emerge with a willingness to change. Alas, we'll probably never know. This puppy is going to go to the bitter end, and a lot more people than necessary are going to die, quite possibly modern society and all that comes with it will be set back 1000 years. Maybe more.

Too many Pollyannas' don't seem to understand that, or, they don't want to. Either way the result will be the same. I hope all you city folks know how to hunt, fish and raise/prepare your own food. And that you have someplace to do it. Because if you don't, your death will be pretty miserable. Of course, you can always eat the government cheese.

Posted by: Cravigum Flarong5789 || 11/14/2006 18:55 Comments || Top||

#80  No worries about me at least, Cravigum Flarong5789. I'll be a non-issue two months after the mail stops, or a week after the electricity goes out. But the rest of you have fun working out new recipes for rat and cockroach casserole.
Posted by: trailing wife || 11/14/2006 19:02 Comments || Top||

#81  I hope all you city folks know how to hunt, fish and raise/prepare your own food.

That's no prob, mate. I'll just let you hunt it and prepare it and then I'll take it from you ;-)
Posted by: city slicker || 11/14/2006 19:05 Comments || Top||

#82  Varmints are tasty. Roaches, on the other hand, are nasty. Though, I'd consider grubs...roasted preferrably but I don't think they do well with large doses of radiation.
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 11/14/2006 19:07 Comments || Top||

#83  But the rest of you have fun working out new recipes for rat and cockroach casserole.

Hey, don't knock rat, properly prepared it can be quite tasty. But it takes a bunch of them to fillyou up. Cockroaches? No way. Grasshoppers and grubs are pretty tasty though. BTW, it is best to "ranch" your own rats. Much cleaner that way. Think of them as small rabbits. They take less feed, and they police up the dead ones in the cage.

Now, if I could just find a way to round up the several million dogs in Delhi and can them, I could make a fortune selling them to the North Koreans.

Posted by: Cravigum Flarong5789 || 11/14/2006 19:08 Comments || Top||

#84  I don't get it... I suggest opening some minds psychochemically to what they are and that can not be considered as it is chemical as everything on earth is... but somebody wants to exterminate or nuke and its ok....

Very strange value set.
Posted by: 3dc || 11/14/2006 19:10 Comments || Top||

#85  That's no prob, mate. I'll just let you hunt it and prepare it and then I'll take it from you ;-)

Yeah. Good luck with that mate, just remember, if you're unsuccessful you could wind up on the menu as long pig. But I hear that Aussies are kind of stringy, and hard to clean! ;-)

Posted by: Cravigum Flarong5789 || 11/14/2006 19:11 Comments || Top||

#86  3dc, those of us who've been there done that (eg .com and I) saw no problem with your proposal. I think it makes a world of sense, except for the kiddies. Need to seperate them somehow.
Posted by: remoteman || 11/14/2006 19:14 Comments || Top||

#87  Ima little disconcerted by the easy way Civil War is thrown around by some as a desirable alternative. To me, it's an unacceptable alternative to the America I love. Two years of Donk nuttiness won't take our nation down, and may just put them outta power forever if they let their moonbats and corruptocrats reign. Bush has a veto, and they can't overrule it.
Posted by: Frank G || 11/14/2006 19:16 Comments || Top||

#88  But I hear that Aussies are kind of stringy, and hard to clean! ;-)

I hear Americans are extremely low in nutritional value. Prolly a result of the BigMac diet.
Posted by: Grolugum Angaque2943 || 11/14/2006 19:27 Comments || Top||

#89  Yeah, but I betcha can't eat just one!
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 11/14/2006 19:34 Comments || Top||

#90  I am for plenty of the correct type of ergot on the lentils they are eating, kids and all. It's effects will not kill anyone of and by it's self.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 11/14/2006 19:36 Comments || Top||

#91  "...have fun working out new recipes for rat and cockroach casserole."

Gotta make sure that's included in Rantburg: Recipes for the Final Ramadan...
Posted by: Dave D. || 11/14/2006 19:38 Comments || Top||

#92  Heh. Trainwreck, RB-style.

Got derailed into a Bush Bash-o-Fest. Then a Meme-o-Fest. And, as is always inevitable here in BurgCity, a food fight.

Hey, how 'bout them Shiites, eh? Got all those Sunnis in the bag. Any word on how that's turning out?
Posted by: .com || 11/14/2006 19:43 Comments || Top||

#93  Oops. left out the drugs. Yout'ful drugs.

Heh.
Posted by: .com || 11/14/2006 19:44 Comments || Top||

#94  3dc, am with ya on that, although as an idea, not the means (they are probably unworkable).

But the idea of replacement (of one set of religious beliefs by another that is built around golden rules) is something that I saw as the best approach, a long time ago. May not work and then the 3rd conjecture will have it's play.

Same with the attempt to convert a selected region to a working democracy. It had to be done to see if it works. It was not a mistake. It probably won't work because the events are pulling in another direction, ahead of the process. But it had to be done, else the future generations would not have forgiven us if the 3rd conjecture becomes inevitable, for not trying. And that is presuming that it would be our descendants (of western civ.) writing the pages of history.

What is needed is "Deux ex machina". It may not be only one paticular process of set of tools that would have a chance for success. It may be necessary to deploy a whole range of tools, including unusual weaponry, to initiate the transformation.
Posted by: twobyfour || 11/14/2006 19:50 Comments || Top||

#95  3dc leaves the box so far behind that some folks find it hard to follow, lol.

Drugging people works for me. I don't even take aspirin, now, but I'd like to watch 'em try to pick up the stripes off the freeway... In heavy traffic.
Posted by: .com || 11/14/2006 20:05 Comments || Top||

#96  LOL .com, like in this preview?

Posted by: twobyfour || 11/14/2006 20:27 Comments || Top||

#97  That'd be a delicacy in China. All protein is. Lol.
Posted by: .com || 11/14/2006 20:34 Comments || Top||

#98  .com, please do me a favor and post your meme diatribe. Some people get it and some don't. You had it nailed pretty well in your version.

Mick, thank you for picking up the slack while I was off line. Same to you others who kept up the good fight.

Speaking of memes; anon, you really damage your own credibility when you don't even bother to parse my arguments correctly. Like lotp, ex-lib, cingold and some others you keep trying to pin that "kill 'em all" bullshit on me. remoteman quite easily manages to comprehend what you simply refuse to recognize. So be it, all you do is make a fool out of yourself.

I've clearly stated my reasons for believing that the MME will end up bringing destruction upon itself. You choose to ignore them and instead slander me. What does that say about you?

3dc, I understand the reasons you'd like to introduce a little theraputic dosage for the region. It would have to be done serruptitiously with complete deniability. Since I no longer care what happens to the Palestinains, go ahead and have at them. I could care less. I wonder how many cases of real gunsex would result.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/14/2006 20:35 Comments || Top||

#99  I've had a lot to say about memes, lol - I don't know which comment you're referring to.

Timeout on the anon attack. She did the right thing when she opened her part of the thread by saying she was "musing" - that's how it works at the 'Burg, or is supposed to work, anyway.

Sarc, musing, rant, etc. indicate you're letting your guard down and thinking aloud. Critiques should make allowances, accordingly. Since I'm one of those who has become a shit magnet, even when I used the tags, I know whereof I speak.

The debate about Islam as religion, dessert topping, ideology, or floor cleaner has been in progress for a few years. No need for anyone to get personal about it. Unless it's to give a nice back rub.

Hell, I think you're all wrong - lol - Islam is a fatal human pathogen. But that's just me...
Posted by: .com || 11/14/2006 21:11 Comments || Top||

#100  #39 Sometimes I wish .com would finally go postal to get it over with.
Posted by Clanter Flineque8995 2006-11-14 14:38


Soon, CF, soon... but just on myself.
Posted by: .com || 11/14/2006 21:17 Comments || Top||

#101  No on here believes in a "kill'em all" strategy. No one here wants to kill innocent folks of any background. On the flip side, no one here is a real-deal lefty muzzy apologist. We should dispense w/that nonsense most rik-tik. I think all the regulars here basically want the same thing, it's only a difference of COA's. Certainly not worth telling other patriotic Americans to go find another site to frequent. Some here are more emphatic then others on the extent of action we need to take to ensure our sovereignty - that's normal. Sure, many of us would like to kill about a million muslims (me included) - that's about the number of radicals there are given recent conservative estimates. Personally, I don't give a flying fuck if it's a cult or a religion (symantics). Toe-may-toe/Toe-mah-toe in my Deistic book. Whatever it is, it needs to be removed or neutralized. *Unlike John Edwards I have really read the koran, have a basic functional grasp of iraqi dialect arabic, and grew up around their americanized culture in Detroit - ha, my absolute muslim authority card has just been thrown out fuckers. Back to reality - Wahabbi Sauds & Iranian Shia's w/the ability to procure nukes are incompatible w/the modern world. Have been for over 30 yrs. Might as well give a bi-polar 8 year old w/a bad attitude a loaded .45 to play with. For my part, I personally would love to wetwork any terror spewing cleric, school, or pseudo muzzy "charity". I'd also select a few tribes in mesopotamia for sanction (yes, that prolly would include the dreaded "collateral damage" - & yes I could still sleep at night). I'd also of done more than a few things different then our present admin (like media blackouts) but it doesn't change the fact that we cannot cut and run. I've been to Iraq, and am going back in a couple months. I want us to finish this thing. I don't want my son fighting these assholes 20 yrs from now. I fear that may happen anyways because we are "too humane" - which they perceive as weakness. Plus, the avg voter is too much of an idiot to know the msm is full of shit & our politicos are too fucking concerned w/world opinion to grab their collective gonads and make the hard decision. (rant/off)

Oh, and before I forget - fuck you jimmy carter wherever you are - you pussy.
Posted by: Broadhead6 || 11/14/2006 21:24 Comments || Top||

#102  Bam!

Lol - loved your Absolute Moral Authority Card ref.

I give it a 95 - and a bonus 5 for using the tags, lol.

A solid 100!
Posted by: .com || 11/14/2006 21:34 Comments || Top||

#103  Thanks, I couldn't help myself. I read through about a dozen of those the other day and giggled like a little school girl.

You still in S.E. Asia? Ever find out what "koo-ta-hay" means?
Posted by: Broadhead6 || 11/14/2006 21:57 Comments || Top||

#104  Heh - sorry - been to In 'n Out (I repeat that for Frank's benefit, lol) and stuffing my face since I rolled back in...

I'm in LV, NV. Though mebbe not for much longer, insh'allan, lol.

Nope, still not sure what "koo-ta-hay" means, just sure it's not very nice, lol.

Y'know, your closer is interesting and possibly also prescient...

We see the MSM taking potshots at the craven DhimmiDummies now that the election is over... Mebbe Carter will lose his sheen, too, and get "the treatment". Nobody can buttfuck a buddy like a Lib, lol.
Posted by: .com || 11/14/2006 22:37 Comments || Top||

#105  damn...and you didn't bring back my order, did ya?
Posted by: Frank G || 11/14/2006 22:55 Comments || Top||

#106  I ate the whoooole thang.

/bad commercial - good burger

I'll ask for "fries - extra-crispy" next time. Whazzat, like shoe-string taters?
Posted by: .com || 11/14/2006 22:57 Comments || Top||

#107  they cook em longer
Posted by: Frank G || 11/14/2006 23:13 Comments || Top||

#108  google "In N Out hidden menu" and there's a whole buncha sites
Posted by: Frank G || 11/14/2006 23:15 Comments || Top||

#109  I'm working my way up to a 4X4 animal style lol
Posted by: Frank G || 11/14/2006 23:15 Comments || Top||

#110  evening all...another day coming, to watch the Donks self-destruct, tomorrow!
Posted by: Frank G || 11/14/2006 23:16 Comments || Top||

#111  Ha! That's great - thanks!
Posted by: .com || 11/14/2006 23:20 Comments || Top||

#112  The hidden menu, not the exit, lol.
Posted by: .com || 11/14/2006 23:21 Comments || Top||

#113  .com, thank you for checking in.

For my part, I personally would love to wetwork any terror spewing cleric, school, or pseudo muzzy "charity". I'd also select a few tribes in mesopotamia for sanction (yes, that prolly would include the dreaded "collateral damage" - & yes I could still sleep at night).

Broadhead6, you nailed it, spot on. Your entire rant is on the money.

Lastly, the only reason I wish to have Islam reclassified as a political ideology is so that we can go about severing all charitable and tax-free status it has enjoyed until now. I've said my fill on this. anon, may have been "musing", but it still doesn't give her the right to mischaracterize my position. The weirdest thing of all, much like the majority of us here, is that on the whole, we are violently agreeing.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/14/2006 23:31 Comments || Top||

#114  #21 Icerigger.

It's just that (i) most Iraqi academics are Sunnis (Shia weren't allowed) and (ii) unarmed.
Posted by: gromgoru || 11/14/2006 23:45 Comments || Top||

#115  I guess it's too late to ask the mods to take it back. Ah well. Life goes on.

But you know, Zenster, when you have to write things like this: Like lotp, ex-lib, cingold and some others you keep trying to pin that "kill 'em all" bullshit on me, maybe a little introspection is in order. But I am sorry about my bread and showers comment, FWIW.

Sometimes you write some good posts, Zenster. I don't underestimate the brutality of Islam. My whole point was that it survives as a religion or meme or cult or whatever you choose to call it, not because it serves people well like the ideas of a Republic or chivalry, or double-entry accounting, but because Islam comes to your town and kills you, or someone meaningful to you, if you don't accept it. It is going to come to our towns. And we will have to fight it. But we must continue to to hang onto what makes us what we are - ideas of mercy, charity, forgiveness, tolearance and other "western values" that separate us from them.

Broadhead nailed it nicely - as .com noted above and we all want the same result.

Islam is the antithesis of our way of life because it can not incorporate the freedoms that we cherish. It can not tolerate separation of church and state, or freedom of speech or rights for women or gays etc.

It is as crazy to think that we can eliminate the threat by wiping out entire nations as it is that we can ignore it and it will go away. (the previous comment was in no way intended to imply agreement or dissent by other rantburg posters but was solely the opinion of anon.)

The genesis or this post is that they kidnapped 100 scholars. It should run a little chill down the spines of those at Harvard, Georgetown, Columbia and all other Universities across the globe. And it will, except we won't hear about it because those smart enough to feel the chill will be smart enough to keep their mouths shut.

This war is like none other we have fought. Sure - they fought it way back when, but the lessons have long since been lost and the world has changed dramatically.

Broadhead nailed it nicely - as .com noted above and we all want the same result. Lots of other good comments as well. We all are after the same result. The bad news is that they have changed us. We are forced to let go of some of what makes us good, in order to survive. But we don't have to let go of all of it. We need to cling to whatever we can.
Posted by: anon || 11/14/2006 23:46 Comments || Top||


Turkish man abducted in Iraq confirmed killed
A Turkish man abducted by a militant group in Iraq has been killed, the Turkish Foreign Ministry said Monday. Turkish officials had long suspected that Yildirim Tek, who was taken hostage in Iraq in July, was killed by his kidnappers. A Foreign Ministry statement said Tek's family identified a photo of a body found a month and a half ago near a road leading to Baghdad Airport as that of the missing man.
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US raids Baghdad Shi'ite neighborhood; nine dead
US forces Monday night raided the homes of followers of radical anti-American Shi'ite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, then called in US jets that were circling the northwest Baghdad neighborhood and firing rockets, killing nine people, residents said. Police put the death toll at five. "Occupation forces are currently carrying out raids against al-Sadr's followers in the neighborhood of Shula," Jalil al-Nouri, a senior al-Sadr aide, told The Associated Press by telephone.

Al-Nouri said nine people were killed in the raid and others were wounded. The number could not be independently confirmed. Police Lt. Mohammed Khyoun said five people had been killed, and 15 wounded. Al-Nouri said there were gun battles going on between residents and US troops who were using tanks and armored personnel carriers. He said US Apache helicopters as well as warplanes were involved in the attacks on Shula.
Posted by: Fred || 11/14/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [357 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Well it's about damn time!

When we treat al-Sadr NICE...he pisses on us.

When we treat him ROUGH...he pisses on us.

It just seems such an easy choice!
Posted by: Justrand || 11/14/2006 0:50 Comments || Top||

#2  When we treat him ROUGH...he pisses on us.

Now there are fewer of them to pi$$ on us.

I wonder how many are getting arrested. I also wonder if they are loyal supporters or the "problematic" associates Sadr has been "complaining" about.
Posted by: gorb || 11/14/2006 1:56 Comments || Top||

#3  I have a favorite line from one of my sci-fi/fantasy novels - "Kill them all and let the gods sort it out." Sounds perfect for the Arab unreality world.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 11/14/2006 14:31 Comments || Top||


South Korea to extend troop mission in Iraq
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Car explodes near Iranian Embassy in Baghdad, no injuries reported
(KUNA) -- A booby-trapped car exploded early in the morning on the edge of the heavily fortified Green Zone in Baghdad near the Iranian Embassy, Iraqi police said Monday. Five cars were destroyed and there was damage to a number of buildings, but no human losses were reported. Meanwhile, a US Army statement said its forces killed four militants in different incidents after they engaged with them in western Baghdad. The US army seized great quantities of weapons , explosives, and rocket-propelled grenade launchers, the statement added.
Posted by: Fred || 11/14/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [344 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Car bomblet from improved carbomb.

Don't touch.
Posted by: Shipman || 11/14/2006 17:53 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine-Jordan
PA Arrests Two Collaborators
(IsraelNN.com) Palestinian Authority (PA) security forces have arrested two men for allegedly helping the Israel Security Agency (Shin Bet), according to the independent Arab Ma'an news agency. One of the men was described as a 20-year-old man from Khan Yunis, south of Gaza city, and the other as a 41-year-old man from Jabaliya, also in the Gaza region. Sources said the men received money from Israel, which used their information to prevent terrorist attacks. Previously, the PA has executed several collaborators.
Posted by: Fred || 11/14/2006 13:42 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [341 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Where do I send these two my best bottle of wine?
Posted by: Icerigger || 11/14/2006 13:52 Comments || Top||

#2  This makes the PA complicit, doesn't it?
Posted by: gorb || 11/14/2006 14:00 Comments || Top||

#3  Perfect graphic!
Posted by: xbalanke || 11/14/2006 16:00 Comments || Top||

#4  No doubt they'll receive a fair trial and execution.
Posted by: PlanetDan || 11/14/2006 19:29 Comments || Top||


Four infiltrators arrested on Egypt-Israel border
Border Police on Monday evening arrested four infiltrators attempting to cross the Egyptian border into Israel. The four were transferred to security for questioning.
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IDF forces kill Paleo gunny near Nablus
Palestinian sources reported that IDF forces killed one armed gunman in Nablus Monday morning. The IDF confirmed that the incident took place during an operation.
Posted by: Fred || 11/14/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [348 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I thought only the Marines had gunnys...
Posted by: gromky || 11/14/2006 0:44 Comments || Top||

#2  I thought it said "bunnys", which would not be off the mark what with all the world wants to p!ss on the Jews stories...
Posted by: USN, ret. || 11/14/2006 13:55 Comments || Top||

#3  I think he means a 'gun-bunny' - one of the not-so-fluffy kind that seem to be so prevelant in the muzzie world. It's ALWAYS open season on 'em, and there's no bag or possession limit. Why anyone would want to possess one is beyond me, though.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 11/14/2006 14:33 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Indonesia Suspect Not Linked to al-Qaida
A man suspected of bombing an American fast food restaurant was trying to commit suicide and has no link with the al-Qaida-linked militant group Jemaah Islamiyah, police said Monday. The man was seriously injured when he detonated a small bomb at an A&W restaurant in a mall in eastern Jakarta on Saturday. He was the only casualty in the attack.
"He said if he killed himself in a normal way it would not be cool."
Got something against root beer, does he?
The 36-year-old electrical repairman told investigators Monday from his hospital bed that he was trying to commit suicide, said Police Chief Maj. Gen. Adang Firman, without saying whether he also intended to kill others too. "He was trying to cause a sensation," Firman said. "He said if he killed himself in a normal way it would not be cool."
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Philippine police arrest suspected Jemaah Islamiyah-trained bomber
Philippine police on Monday arrested a Muslim rebel who was allegedly trained in bomb-making by the al-Qaida-linked terror group Jemaah Islamiyah, officials said. Blah Platon, a member of the Moro Islamic Liberation Front, was carrying a homemade bomb on a motorcycle when police intercepted him before dawn at a checkpoint on a highway in Tacurong town, 950 kilometers (590 miles) southeast of Manila, Chief Superintendent German Doria said. "This man is a known bomb expert trained by Jemaah Islamiyah," said Doria, the regional police chief. "He knows how to assemble improvised bombs."

Platon also was wanted for kidnapping and carried a 175,000 peso (US$3,500; €2,720) bounty on his head. Doria said authorities were investigating Platon's links to bomb attacks in the southern Philippines, including an Oct. 10 bombing in Makilala town in North Cotabato province that killed six people and wounded 29.

Last month, police filed murder charges against two top Indonesian terror suspects - Dulmatin and Umar Patek - and 18 Filipino rebels. Dulmatin and Patek — believed to be hiding in the southern Mindanao region - have been blamed for some of Southeast Asia's worst terrorist attacks, including the 2002 Bali bombings that killed 202 people. MILF chairman Al Haj Murad was initially included in the complaint but the prosecutor later dropped him from the list because of a lack of evidence. The rebels had warned the murder charges might scuttle peace talks.
Posted by: Fred || 11/14/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [360 views] Top|| File under:

#1  And the MILF still contend they have no ties to AQ. Kabala and Murad both deserve to die, sooner than later please.
Posted by: 49 Pan || 11/14/2006 9:37 Comments || Top||


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Plutonium (and HEU) found in Iran waste facility
International Atomic Energy experts have found unexplained plutonium and highly enriched uranium traces in a nuclear waste facility in Iran and have asked Tehran for an explanation, an IAEA report said Tuesday.
My only surprise is that the Mad Mullahs™ are this clumsy -- they ought to clean up better than this.
The report, prepared for next week's meeting of the 35-nation IAEA, also faulted Tehran for not cooperating with the agency's attempts to investigate suspicious aspects of Iran's nuclear program that have lead to fears it might be interested in developing nuclear arms.

And it said it could not confirm Iranian claims that its nuclear activities were exclusively nonmilitary unless Tehran increased its openness. "The agency will remain unable to make further progress in its efforts to verify the absence of undeclared nuclear material and activities in Iran," without additional cooperation by Tehran, said the report, by IAEA chief Mohamed ElBaradei. Such cooperation is a "prerequisite for the agency to be able to confirm the peaceful nature of Iran's nuclear program," it added.

As expected, the four-page report made available to The Associated Press confirmed that Iran continues uranium enrichment experiments in defiance of the U.N. Security Council.
Posted by: ed || 11/14/2006 15:19 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [460 views] Top|| File under:

#1  And in related news: No sht Sherlock!

Why. Aren't. We. Bombing. Them.
Posted by: Excalibur || 11/14/2006 15:46 Comments || Top||

#2  Energy experts have found unexplained plutonium and highly enriched uranium traces in a nuclear waste facility in Iran ...

Unexplained? I guess that depends on who's doing the 'splainin'. I think I could 'splain it pretty well.
Posted by: xbalanke || 11/14/2006 16:00 Comments || Top||

#3  My only surprise is that the Mad Mullahs™ are this clumsy -- they ought to clean up better than this.

You're assuming they don't want to let the world know.
Posted by: Rob Crawford || 11/14/2006 16:19 Comments || Top||

#4  Wouldn't the Pu have to come from NorK?
Posted by: gorb || 11/14/2006 16:21 Comments || Top||

#5  My only surprise is that the Mad Mullahs™ are this clumsy -- they ought to clean up better than this.

Islam is fairly notorious for leaving a mess in its wake. The term "nuclear waste" pretty much sums it all up.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/14/2006 16:23 Comments || Top||

#6  Are we getting warm, or what ?
Posted by: wxjames || 11/14/2006 16:48 Comments || Top||

#7  No. But Israel might be.
Posted by: Uloluth Chinetch5315 || 11/14/2006 17:05 Comments || Top||

#8  It was at the waste facilty. They were simply throwing away the bad stuff that can't be used for peaceful purposes only. Everythings okay.
Posted by: Thoth || 11/14/2006 17:43 Comments || Top||

#9  My only surprise is that the Mad Mullahs™ are this clumsy -- they ought to clean up better than this.

They are very practical people. If noone else seems to care, why should they? They don't have the wiggle room for PC, so they just do. :-(
Posted by: gorb || 11/14/2006 17:48 Comments || Top||

#10  Hey, don't sweat it. We have a new congress and senate to handle little speedbumbs like this.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 11/14/2006 17:55 Comments || Top||

#11  I thought it was going to be 10 years before the Iranians had this capability. What happened?

Seriously - does the burg have a search feature to pinpoint the pin heads who've been telling us (and the world) "don't worry, they're a long way from nuclear weapons"
Posted by: Rob06 || 11/14/2006 19:01 Comments || Top||

#12  Good point Rob. I had this argument over at the Washington Monthly, and I tried to point out that the U.S., with no prior knowledge of how to do it, built a working bomb in four years. The Iranians might not have Fermi and Oppenheimer but they have a road map. It's just an engineering question because the physics is well understood. They know how to build a bomb; they just need to build the technology that in turn builds the bomb.

Needless to say the very intelligent progressive types at WM didn't understand that.
Posted by: Steve White || 11/14/2006 19:39 Comments || Top||

#13  If you think they might be more careful look as some of the stupid things the Russians and even we in the US have done with nuclear waste. They are in a hurry to get the bomb and just don't care it's "allah's will" remember.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 11/14/2006 19:40 Comments || Top||

#14  Needless to say the very intelligent progressive types at WM didn't understand that.

Some here don't get it either.
Posted by: Lou || 11/14/2006 19:42 Comments || Top||

#15  Look, Lou, if you wanna impugn folks, it's best to be more focused and targeted. Ya gotta just got for it - shoot the moon, call a spade a club and get hinky, y'know?

You can't piss me off, for example - I'm pretty representative of the norm, with such vaguery. I'm too mellow for that ploy.

So go for it! Spit it out!

:-)
Posted by: .com || 11/14/2006 20:01 Comments || Top||

#16  BTW, how's Mary?
Posted by: .com || 11/14/2006 20:02 Comments || Top||

#17  Maybe its the PLUTONIUM FUEL = TEST KIMCHEE indic at DEFENSETECH.org and OTHERS. FOX + CNN > IAEA can't guarantee that IRAN's alleged nuklar energy prog is PEACEFUL???
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 11/14/2006 20:02 Comments || Top||

#18  BTW, how's Mary?

That's cold, .com.
Posted by: xbalanke || 11/14/2006 21:30 Comments || Top||

#19  What, no smiley? Lol. ;-)
Posted by: .com || 11/14/2006 21:36 Comments || Top||

#20  Did they throw away enough Pu for me to make a test bomb with railguns for implosion instead of explosives?

Ya' know I might need a very small one someday. I mean like you never know when you might need some major weapons... It can't hurt to have my own ICBM?

Like the way it is now every country will get one in a few years and then rich will get them - I mean like it would be pocket change for Gates and I like use Linux so I might need to pro-actively protect my self from the Redmond Gates monster...

And then like what about Apple. They might not like the GPL and want to do something about GPL users....

Oh and when AQ nukes ChiTown I mean like I will have to respond in kind...

Hmm.. Maybe I could grab FermiLab - Its just a few miles away... I ought to be able to cobble a good weapon together out of those counter rotating beams....

This whole Proliferation thingy is going to require some deep thought.... Speaking of deep thought and 42 - why was that in base 10 I mean like 6x7 wouldn't be 42 in base 16 and iff it was base 16 or maybe 256 the street number of 42 would not be 6x7....

Posted by: 3dc || 11/14/2006 23:53 Comments || Top||


G'morning...
Zawahiri's deputy captured in KhostEU: Palestinian unity gov't must recognize IsraelShaukat Aziz asks US to think about exit strategy from AfghanistanPhilippine police arrest suspected Jemaah Islamiyah-trained bomberShabir accepts PM position, kindaUS raids Baghdad Shi'ite neighborhood; nine dead30 killed in attack on Darfur village: AU
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#1  1. A woman of great seductive charm who leads men into compromising or dangerous situations.

/as good as ded, ima
Posted by: RD || 11/14/2006 1:11 Comments || Top||

#2  The Line of Masculinity (SFW)
Posted by: .com || 11/14/2006 3:31 Comments || Top||

#3  Somehow the watch lends nothing to the ensemble
Posted by: DanNY || 11/14/2006 4:14 Comments || Top||

#4  Swimming, anyone?
Posted by: Mike || 11/14/2006 5:48 Comments || Top||

#5  Now that is a classy broad.
Posted by: Jonathan || 11/14/2006 7:09 Comments || Top||

#6  Gentlemen of Rantburg,

I didn't know where to post the following subject, so I elected to go with G'Morning. I hope this post will reach as many as possible.

I received an email today from "Nick" at Ranger Up.com. The guys at Ranger Up.com are instituting a friendly competition between the lady warriors at West Point and the lady warriors at Annapolis. The purpose of the competition is to determine the "hottest" lady warrior from either service academy.

The "hottest" lady warriors entering the competition from each service academy will be featured at rangerup.com tastefully wearing (surprise!) rangerup.com gear.

I've been asked to be a "celebrity judge" representing the guys from Rantburg for the purpose of this competition. Although I'm honored to have been asked to represent RB, I have respectfully declined. Even though I come to RB on a daily basis, and from time to time post a comment or two or three, I beleive there are RB "regulars" far more deserving of this honor. My sentiments have been communicated to the guys at rangerup.com. and they understand.

This post is not BS. There is a standing offer on the table from the guys at rangerup.com to have a representative from RB to serve as a "celebrity judge". (The reason I was asked by the rangerup.com people to be a judge from RB is because I took the initiative several weeks back to inquire about the name of the lovely young lady featured in the rangerup.com advertisment. Some of you will remember that her name is Grace).

Why the request for a "celebrity judge" representing RB was not communicated directly to Fred Pruitt from the guys at rangerup.com I do not know. Nevertheless, the offer is real and the guys at rangerup.com want an "impartial" judge from RB. The latter requirement could possibly automatically DQ the likes of Alaska Paul, ARMYGUY and GolfBravoUSMC (sorry, but I'm just saying...).

I saved the email from the guys at rangerup.com making the offer requesting a "celebrity judge" from RB for purposes of the competition. If anyone wants to read the email I will send them a copy of same. The guys at rangerup.com will screen for trolls. Trolls need not apply. They know who you are. I have the contact information necessary to act on this offer. Be advised: the guys at rangerup.com want/need/require biographical information on the chosen delegate.

I guess you could say this post goes out to, among others, Fred, JosephMendiola, gromky, gorb, Steve White, phil_b, sinse, Snease, bigjim-ky, badanov, .com, Frank G, wxjames, DarthVader, Old Spook, Old Patriot, mhw, Kalle, twobyfour, mojo, Mike K, 49 Pan, Zenster, Excalibur,a2u, and my apologies to everyone I forgot to mention.

Let's have an election: who do we send to rangerup.com as the delegate to represent RB? Although this endeavor may not rank in importance to the Constitutional Convention of 1787, the ladies of Rantburg are encouraged to vote, comment, and offer their constructive criticism (unlike, say, in any muslim community where such privileges would not be afforded to you).

Respectfully submitted,

Mark Z



Posted by: Mark Z || 11/14/2006 13:05 Comments || Top||

#7  Boy, are you cruisin' for a bruisin', Mark!

I'm just sayin'... 8-)
Posted by: .com || 11/14/2006 13:14 Comments || Top||

#8  I suggest the proprietor, Master Fred. Since he has the good taste to appreciate the beauty of my girlfriend, Patti Ann Brown ("girlfriend" as in " unaware of the relationship or even of my existence"). :-)
Posted by: Frank G || 11/14/2006 13:19 Comments || Top||

#9  Fred for celeb judge. But as a Navy alumni i would sacrifice my time and talents in order to find the fairest in the land.....
Posted by: USN, ret. || 11/14/2006 13:40 Comments || Top||

#10  I've got just one werd fors ya, USN: Tailhook!

Lol.

Fred does, indeed, have taste that is nigh unto prefection, lol. The Mizz Lake pic up thar gave me a funny feelin' in my slacks and I had to go get myself back in the wussified zone, 'fore I 'sploded, hence the video. ;-)
Posted by: .com || 11/14/2006 13:47 Comments || Top||

#11  No wonder they call it the Greatest Generation... they get Veronic Lake and we get Veronica Mars.....8p
Posted by: Elmaviling Tholuling1223 || 11/14/2006 14:03 Comments || Top||

#12  ET1223 - Lol - I didn't even know Veronica Mars was - so I googled images and, guess what? I still don't know, lol. Looks like she's on TV or something. Sheesh... ;-)
Posted by: .com || 11/14/2006 14:15 Comments || Top||

#13  Joe's the 1!
Posted by: Shipman || 11/14/2006 14:42 Comments || Top||

#14  LOL .com....

I hear you loud and clear.

Don't think for a moment that "monster thread" from last Sunday didn't cross my mind as I wrote the post above. I started to comment several times on Sunday, but took OldSpook's advise to write, then walk away for a few minutes, maybe have a beer, then come back to read the post before submitting. Suffice it say I didn't pull the trigger to post. I was hot and wanted to say some things, but didn't.

I will say this: on Monday the tone on RB was "different". And not for the better. You gotta be take the heat when cookin' in the kitchen. More on that later...

Anyway....I echo (second-third) Frank G's/USN, Ret. nomination of Fred as delegate to the rangerup.com competition. Mr. Pruitt should have been contacted long before me. Fred, if you're reading this: contact "Nick"...you know who I'm talking about and how to reach him. I was thinking we should send JosephMendiolia just to screw with their heads (no offense JoeM, but I for one only understand your posts after a few cocktails and it scares me when I do to the point I stop drinking).

Rangerup , gentlemen...

MarkZ



Posted by: Mark Z || 11/14/2006 14:55 Comments || Top||

#15  Another vote for Fred. If anyone has earned it, he has. Go Fred!
Posted by: Zenster || 11/14/2006 14:55 Comments || Top||

#16  I have to agree w/ Zenster. Fred owns this nomination and should be the delegate from RB to rangerup.com.

The only snag is this: Fred has shown a demonstrable predilection for wowen with haircit styles from the late 1930's and early 1940's. Purportedly this is true of the style of many women in the Navy, circa 2006. Whether true or not I do not know, but if true this could give an undue advantage to the lady warriors of Annapolis.

Just saying....
Posted by: Mark Z || 11/14/2006 15:32 Comments || Top||

#17  Belly up Fred, your audience awaits!!! Take lots of pics and keep your loyal followers updated!!!
Posted by: 49 Pan || 11/14/2006 16:10 Comments || Top||

#18  I think we should send Hank.
Posted by: Hank || 11/14/2006 17:11 Comments || Top||

#19  Difficult work but someone has to make the sacrifice. Go for it Fred.
Posted by: JohnQC || 11/14/2006 17:30 Comments || Top||

#20  Send Fred, and if unable/unwilling, send Mucky, and pay his expenses after he files a complete written and illustrated report with the Burg.
Posted by: Politically Correct Alaska Paul || 11/14/2006 17:31 Comments || Top||

#21  "...a complete written and illustrated report with the Burg."

And let me guess: you'll only be "reading it for the articles", right? Uh-huh... LOL!
Posted by: Dave D. || 11/14/2006 17:45 Comments || Top||

#22  I'll be reading it for the Mucky Syntax. The illustrations will relax the mind after concentrating on the Muckisms.
Posted by: Politically Correct Alaska Paul || 11/14/2006 18:00 Comments || Top||

#23  Of course.
Posted by: Dave D. || 11/14/2006 18:09 Comments || Top||

#24  The "hottest" lady warriors entering the competition from each service academy will be featured at rangerup.com tastefully wearing (surprise!) rangerup.com gear.

Here's hoping it's wet gear.
Posted by: Lou || 11/14/2006 18:38 Comments || Top||

#25  Fred's the obvious choice, or he could nominate someone who represents the Spirit of Rantburg.

(i.e. Not Me; I'd love to, but I am not worthy of representing this august club.)
Posted by: Jackal || 11/14/2006 21:45 Comments || Top||

#26  I suggest Fred appoint any from the Army of Steves. (So call it the Army/Navy of Steves) The movie clips can be the resume'. :)
Posted by: Phineter Thraviger1073 || 11/14/2006 22:08 Comments || Top||

#27  Unfortunately they don't appear to be looking for soldiers in the role of tee-shirts.
Posted by: 3dc || 11/14/2006 22:20 Comments || Top||

#28  .com: i hear ya, but I wasn't present at the famous Rhino room; O's don't let us mere enlisted play in their games. We jest get to pick up the mess.
Has anybody thought of starting a write-in campaign for the USAF Hottie who doubles as Miss Arkansas? Judging by last weeks pix: she would be in the final round.
Posted by: USN,Ret || 11/14/2006 22:26 Comments || Top||



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