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-Lurid Crime Tales-
S Africa's 'most-wanted' caught
South Africa's most-wanted criminal has been captured two weeks after escaping from a top security jail near Pretoria.
Ananias Mathe, 29, from Mozambique, was detained last December on more than 50 charges, including murder and rape.
Rape is pretty mandatory for any self-respecting SA criminal.
He stabbed a security guard in the eye with a screwdriver after being cornered in a house. He was then shot three times in the leg and captured. Police describe him as "the ultimate criminal" and launched a huge manhunt for him when he escaped.

At one point during the hunt, the police shot and wounded a clergyman by mistake after a member of the public identified him as the escaped prisoner.
Oops.
National police spokeswoman Sally de Beer said Ananias Mathe stole a car fitted with a tracking device, and the security company that had installed it followed with the help of a helicopter. He abandoned the vehicle near a squatter camp north of Johannesburg in the East Rand. He was found in a house and captured by security guards after a struggle.

Ananias Mathe is the first prisoner to escape from the C-max prison since it opened 36 years ago. He reportedly escaped by covering his body in Vaseline and squeezing through his tiny cell window which measured just 20cm by 60cm (8in by 2ft).

Mr Mathe, who is said to have had extensive military training dating in Mozambique, first escaped from custody in April 2005. Shortly after being returned to the prison, a minister said he would leave again for an urgent operation. Correctional Services Minister Ngconde Balfour said he would be taken to a hospital for an operation to fix the shattered bone in his leg which was wounded during his arrest.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 12/04/2006 11:10 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  By the way, this just occured to me : why on Earth do prisoners have large quantities of vaseline at their disposal? I'm not sure I want to know.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 12/04/2006 15:32 Comments || Top||

#2  fix his leg? Why? Suggestion: Cut his Achilles tendon and he'll never run from the law again
Posted by: Frank G || 12/04/2006 17:11 Comments || Top||

#3  He reportedly escaped by covering his body in Vaseline and squeezing through his tiny cell window which measured just 20cm by 60cm (8in by 2ft).

Shouldn't be too difficult for a slim.

By the way, this just occured to me : why on Earth do prisoners have large quantities of vaseline at their disposal?

Well, Africans use the Vaseline to combat ashiness. Yeah, yeah, that's it. Ashiness. My wife, Morgan Fairchild, is calling me, have to go.

Posted by: Mick Dundee || 12/04/2006 20:20 Comments || Top||


-Short Attention Span Theater-
Goat guarded from Leacherous Muslims festive vandals
RB Future worthy?
Arsonists who enjoy burning down a festive Swedish straw goat may have met their match this year.
In the 40 years since the tradition started, the giant goat of Gavle has often gone up in flames within days.

But this year the 13-metre (43ft) high goat has a coat of flame-resistant chemicals, and the authorities are determined it will see in the New Year.

"No-one is going to get our goat this year," says a local spokeswoman with confidence.

Those who remain concerned can reassure themselves of the goat's wellbeing by watching on the "goatcam".

Gruff justice

Just 10 of the goats, which are built in the town's central square, have survived beyond Christmas since 1966.


...last year's goat
Some have been burnt down within hours of being erected during the first week of December.

The culprits are seldom caught. However, a 51-year-old American tourist spent 18 days in jail after being convicted of setting it alight in December 2001.

It is not the first time authorities have put their faith in a flame-proof coating - a substance tried before washed off in the rain.

This one is waterproof, says Gavle spokeswoman Anna Oestman, and while its paws could still be singed, a full scale torching would now be "impossible".

Goats have a special place in Swedish tradition, and it was a goat which in earlier centuries delivered festive gifts before Santa Claus took over that role.
You know, goats have a special place in muslim tradition too, perhaps there could be a meeting middle ground somewhere... But, on the other hand, muslim do seem fond of torching stuff (cars, embassies, flags, uppity wimmen,...)... hum, I'm very conflicted here.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 12/04/2006 11:02 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:


Arabia
Iraqi womens' beach volleyball team competes at Doha
Hat tip Gateway Pundit. The link is to him; I can't find the AP link.
Japan's Satoko Urata, left, stands by as Iraq's Lida Agasi spikes the ball during the 15th Asian Games beach volleyball competition in Doha Saturday, Dec. 2, 2006.

Beach volleyball's penchant for bikinis has touched off a bit of a cultural clash in this conservative Muslim city, which by hosting the Asian Games, is trying to bolster its bid to bring the 2016 Summer Olympics to the Middle East. Though 16 Muslim nations are represented at the Asian Games, only one, Iraq, is competing in women's beach volleyball. And its team, sisters Lisa and Lida Agasi, are Christians. (AP Photo/Han Guan Ng)
Posted by: Steve White || 12/04/2006 00:02 || Comments || Link || [8 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Congratulations to the Iraqi girls on their achievement, and the normalcy in which it occurs!
Posted by: trailing wife || 12/04/2006 8:09 Comments || Top||

#2  More pics plz
Posted by: Anon4021 || 12/04/2006 10:36 Comments || Top||

#3  The 2016 Summer Olympics in the Middle East?

Interesting. Brings to mind the Star Trek / Arab thingy.
Posted by: .com || 12/04/2006 10:44 Comments || Top||

#4  Seeing as how they're Christian and wearing bikinis, mebets they don't reside in Baghdad anymore. Good luck and Godspeed to those 2 sisters.
Posted by: BA || 12/04/2006 11:03 Comments || Top||

#5  cool, but she could at least get outta the way so I can see the japanese gal; me likey.
Posted by: Broadhead6 || 12/04/2006 20:08 Comments || Top||

#6  Here's a link
Posted by: tipper || 12/04/2006 22:26 Comments || Top||


Britain
SPCK Bookshops stops selling koran
Britain’s oldest chain of Christian bookstores, SPCK Bookshops has announced it is to stop selling the Koran as it is “inimical” to Christianity, the Sunday Times has reported. The bookshop, which was established formerly as part of the 308-year-old Society for Promoting Christian Knowledge, has made the decision to stop selling all books which are non-Christian.

The rethink in policy follows the society’s sale of a majority stake to the St Stephen the Great Charitable Trust, in November 2006.

St Stephen the Great Charitable Trust is linked to the Eastern Orthodox Church.

Mark Brewer, the Texan lawyer who chairs the trust said, “Stocking books which are inimical to Christianity, which without question the Koran is, could well create the wrong impression among some that we endorse the belief systems of other religions as equal or viable alternatives,” according to the Sunday Times.

The trust will aim to bring about a return to the missionary roots of SPCK, and hopes to reverse the advance of Islam and secularism. However, it is believed that the move will offend a number within the Church of England who are working towards an easing of relationships with Muslim leaders.

However, the move seems to follow calls by the second-most senior clergyman in the Church of England, Archbishop of York, Rev Dr John Sentamu, and the Bishop Michael Nazir-Ali of Rochester to recover Christian values.

The trust says on its website that Britain has become “secularised in recent years and witnessed an explosion of Islam”. The site added that it intends to “re- establish Christianity in areas where it has been driven out”.

The organisation has also claimed, according to the Sunday Times, that England was an Orthodox country before the Norman invasion in 1066, and now plans to take over unused Church of England buildings to promote Orthodoxy across Britain.

The Society for Promoting Christian Knowledge, however, remains tightly linked to the Church of England and has kept a minority stake in the bookshops and two Anglicans sit on the board, one of whom has already stated his disagreement with the decision of SPCK.

Michael Perham, Bishop of Gloucester, said: “If I were in charge I would not have issued this instruction”.

Ibrahim Mogra, chair of the inter-faith committee of the Muslim Council of Britain, said: “Islam is currently under the spotlight. It is misunderstood and has been abused by some who have carried out violence in its name. Now is the time for people to have access to the Koran and the writings of Islam. This will help people understand the faith and what makes Muslims tick,” according to the Sunday Times.
Posted by: Classer || 12/04/2006 07:04 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  ...help people understand the faith and what makes Muslims tick

Definitely a good thing, but you aren't going to like the conclusions they come to.
Posted by: SteveS || 12/04/2006 8:23 Comments || Top||

#2  All of Christianity was Orthodox until the split, based as much on differences in language use between the Greek-speakers centered in Constantinople and the Latin-speakers led by the Bishop of Rome, whom his followers called the Pope, as on theological differences. An interesting reminder of the history of the development of Christianity, though. But it is appropriate that the chief books of competing religions not be sold by Christian bookshops.
Posted by: trailing wife || 12/04/2006 9:04 Comments || Top||

#3  This will help people understand the faith and what makes Muslims tick

Usually, it's a cellphone detonated timer...
Posted by: tu3031 || 12/04/2006 9:30 Comments || Top||

#4  They just didn't have it on the right shelf. It should have been over in the Christian Toiletries.
Posted by: BrerRabbit || 12/04/2006 11:28 Comments || Top||

#5  Ibrahim Mogra, chair of the inter-faith committee of the Muslim Council of Britain, said: “Islam is currently under the spotlight. It is misunderstood and has been abused by some who have carried out violence in its name.

And you Diaper Man are a liar.

Nice to see some Christians with BALLS.
Posted by: Icerigger || 12/04/2006 14:36 Comments || Top||

#6  Just scared that some dust on one of these Koran will cause ROPers to burn their store.
Posted by: gromgoru || 12/04/2006 19:23 Comments || Top||

#7  DO NOT

I repeat DO NOT try to understand what is making a muslim tick. If armed I recommend doing your best imitation of that scene in Jaws where Capt. Brody shoots the oxygen tank in the sharks mouth.

Shoot at the web gear and watch 'em turn inside out.
Posted by: Lanny Ddub || 12/04/2006 19:31 Comments || Top||


Science & Technology
New Radar Lets Police Nab Tailgaters
AZ - If your idea of a sporting event is riding the tail of a slowpoke on the highway, think again.

The Arizona Department of Public Safety is bringing a new device to the game in an attempt to take out tailgaters. Call the ploy laser tag.

Using a new laser device that measures the distance between two moving vehicles, officers are citing hundreds of motorists with tailgating tickets that can run more than $100. And they are promising more to come.

"Tailgating accounts for most of the collisions in the Valley," said DPS Officer Michael Beaudoin, who has written about 100 tickets using the laser in the past year.

"The majority of the reactions I get from drivers are that they don't realize they are tailgating."

Tailgating is not only a cause of accidents, it is also a factor in many road-rage incidents.

Beaudoin said the new device is virtually argument-proof. With it he can show drivers exactly how close they were following another vehicle.

"I love it. It seems to be a great tool," he said. "It seems to be educating the people I do stop."

The device is sure to please people fed up with aggressive drivers whose cars fill the rearview mirrors.

But it also rankles some who think officers have better things to do.

"That's dumb," said Mia Hillery a 28-year-old event planner who drives daily between north Scottsdale and Chandler.

"It seems like they could spend money on so many different things. . . . They need to catch speeders more than tailgaters."

The Arizona driver's license manual cautions motorists to keep at least two seconds between their vehicle and the one in front of them. That's supposed to allow enough time to react if the front driver slams on the brakes.

Beaudoin said he regularly targets cars with less than a second of distance between them.

"I've seen people at 0.04 seconds. That is less than half a second," he said.

The tickets are based on a state law that prohibits "following too closely." It doesn't define tailgating beyond "more closely than is reasonable and prudent."

For Beaudoin, that means two seconds in typical driving conditions.

Beaudoin, who is assigned to the East Valley, said the laser is most effective just before rush hour, when traffic is beginning to get heavy but is still moving fast. Typically, Beaudoin sets up on Loop 101.

The laser is similar to a radar speed gun except it also can measure distance between vehicles.

Beaudoin said he sets the gun to measure the distance from his position to the center of a traffic lane. When two cars pass that location, he uses the gun to track the speed of both vehicles and calculate the distance between them.

The laser device, called a Lidar, is manufactured by Laser Technology Inc. of Colorado, which invented the radar speed gun. The Lidar is being used extensively in Australia, Canada and Hong Kong. The device also has proved popular among several police departments in Oregon.

Unlike radar units for tracking speeders, the Lidar laser is much more accurate. For instance, a radar typically shoots a beam that is 12 feet wide at 100 feet. By comparison, the laser beam is only 3 feet wide at 1,000 feet.

In addition to detecting tailgating, the Lidar device also can be used for speed detection and accident reconstruction.

The cost of a tailgating ticket varies in each Arizona jurisdiction, state Motor Vehicle Division spokeswoman Cydney DeModica said. Fines for following too closely in Phoenix are $115 plus any court fees.

DPS has nine Lidar units, all being used in the Phoenix area. But the department is looking at purchasing 19 more.

Sgt. Tim Bolger of the Highway Patrol Division said the DPS has an $80,000 grant that probably will be used to buy the guns, which cost about $3,995 each.

But he said there is one drawback: repairs. If a gun gets damaged, the department has no choice but to send it back to the manufacturer.

Bolger said the DPS is hoping the manufacturer will train and certify officers to do standard repairs on the device to reduce costs.

"We have the grant, and we are moving forward with the process," Bolger said.

Lydon Fitzgerald, 19, who drives daily between Mesa and Tempe, said the thought of a tailgating gun will make him more careful.

"I'm going to watch my tailgating. I'll be going, 'One 1,000, two 1,000.'"
Arizona cities are on the cutting edge of using motorist citations to raise revenues. Abandoning accident prevention as the real motive, the effort is now to punish bad driving like they punish smoking, with "sin taxes". But the bottom line of more money has already encouraged things like shortening "yellow light" time at intersections, to catch more red light runners.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 12/04/2006 08:18 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I'll not drive in Arizona, then.
Posted by: trailing wife || 12/04/2006 9:05 Comments || Top||

#2  How 'bout a device that detects drivers conversing on a cell phone while they drive 15 mph under the speed limit?
Posted by: mrp || 12/04/2006 10:08 Comments || Top||

#3  The debate is already on in Oregon about these devices and the so-called enforcement behind them. Anybody with any common sense at all can imagine how impossible it is to maintain 160 feet between cars during even a 'mild' rush hour. I can't help but chuckle at the local debate when these are introduced to lefty California locales...
Posted by: Ike || 12/04/2006 10:09 Comments || Top||

#4  ...They do that here in SC and ain't nobody gonna be driving...

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 12/04/2006 10:48 Comments || Top||

#5  More accidents are caused by tailgating than most people realize. It is dangerous, illegal and irresponsible. I drove professionally (Trucker) for about a year in the 02/03 timeframe. I witnessed more accidents caused by idiots tailgating than I care to think of. About half of them involved serious injuries or fatalities.

I would like to see the fine tripled for first offences and vehicle impounding (45 days) for subsequent offences. Remember, most accidents usually aren't...accidents.

Posted by: Mick Dundee || 12/04/2006 10:58 Comments || Top||

#6  Okay Mick, I'm driving down the highway at 65 with a 2 second cushion...someone moves into the space, I slow down to reopen the cushion, someone else moves into the space....the guy behind me closes up cause I keep slowing down.....Why is this a safe alternative?

True tailgating is very dangerous, but, initiating a situation where people are weaving in and out is not a good solution.

For real life examples commute up and down I84 in CT.
Posted by: AlanC || 12/04/2006 11:06 Comments || Top||

#7  "I've seen people at 0.04 seconds. That is less than half a second," he said.

Cue John Kerry and how those "dumb" policemen are stuck in a dead-end job because of Bush. Seriously, why'd they have to put this quote in this article, except to make this policeman appear dumb?

And, Ike nails it. At 60mph, 2 seconds equals 176 feet distance. Not that I'm in favor of those who follow you like a NASCAR driver, but 180' of distance between the two only asks you to get cut off in urban driving areas. Plus, this probably just a ploy to make money for the cities anyways.
Posted by: BA || 12/04/2006 11:10 Comments || Top||

#8  Someday we'll all look back on this, laugh congenially, and plow into a parked car.
Posted by: .com || 12/04/2006 11:18 Comments || Top||

#9  A 2 second cushion? Good freakin' luck with that on the Southeast Expressway at 5:30 PM...
Posted by: Raj || 12/04/2006 11:35 Comments || Top||

#10  176 feet? If you leave more than 40 feet in front of you on Boston's Route 128, it will be filled in approximately 10 seconds.

You would cut the capacity of roads like 128 in half. Pulling people over in rush hour should help even more.
Posted by: KBK || 12/04/2006 11:59 Comments || Top||

#11  I hope it doesn't catch on here, slamming on my brakes then getting rear-ended is one of my most consistent forms of revenue.
Posted by: Jeagum Ulolush6778 || 12/04/2006 12:42 Comments || Top||

#12  Leaving reasonable separations on California freeways only results in three cars diving into the gap from lanes on either side of you. If semis leave a safety margin, six or eight cars jump in. So, this tactic is out in Kaleeforneeah. But, they have become greatly enamored of red light cameras. And fines are generally $300-400 each infraction. Cities love it. Really pumps the treasury.
Posted by: SpecOp35 || 12/04/2006 12:52 Comments || Top||

#13  Agreed, SpecOp. I'd be willing to venture that's the standard SOP of drivers in any major metro area. I know it is here in Atlanta. Everyone thinks they're a NASCAR driver. You leave even 2 car lengths and, whammo, someone's jumping in in front of you.
Posted by: BA || 12/04/2006 13:02 Comments || Top||

#14  Arizona cities are on the cutting edge of using motorist citations to raise revenues

Hey, just like in France! See? There IS a common ground, culture-wise!
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 12/04/2006 13:08 Comments || Top||

#15  I'm on Mick's side on this one. I stopped with no problem when I crested an overpass to find a sea of brake lights from an accident ahead. The semi adjacent/behind me did not. I snuggled over to the divider as his jack-knifed rig slid past me and peeled off my front right quarter. I got out and kissed the ground.
I'll leave my space in front of me even if people keep filling it; just because they want to take risks is no reason for me to.
And it is not strictly true that riding with a smaller gap increases the capacity of the road - it is only true if 1) there are no additional accidents resulting, and 2) it does not change the flow regime (effectively, from 'laminar' to 'turbulent' if you are dealing with fluids, which is a good approximation to traffic.) At a certain traffic density the lack of gaps to accomodate normal and necessary lane changes and slight speed changes results in conversion to 'stop and go' flow, which is far less efficient than even fairly slow but smooth flow.
Posted by: Glenmore || 12/04/2006 13:09 Comments || Top||

#16  My first thought on reading the headline was 'How will radar affect LSU-Florida (and other SEC) football game pre-game festivities?
Posted by: Glenmore || 12/04/2006 13:10 Comments || Top||

#17  If my last venture into New Jersey is any indication, there won't be many drivers left on the road there, either.

I-5/10/15 (and derivatives thereof) in SoCal might be somewhat devoid, also.
Posted by: Mullah Richard || 12/04/2006 14:39 Comments || Top||

#18  "Too close for missiles, switching to guns..."
Posted by: mojo || 12/04/2006 14:44 Comments || Top||

#19  I spent a total of ten years in Germany between 1971 and 1990. If you ever left a "2-second gap" between you and the next vehicle, you'd be run over, literally. My reaction time isn't what it was then, but it's still pretty good. I haven't had a serious accident (except when I was hit by someone else) in 35 years. I do like to keep at least 35-40 feet between me and the next vehicle, when I can. Sometimes that's just not possible.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 12/04/2006 16:07 Comments || Top||

#20  I once drove eastbound on route 80 during New Jersey rush hour for about 9 years. A space of about 23 feet in the left lane is an open invitation for any vehicle in the middle lane to take it without the courtesy of a signal. If you do allow repeated middle laners to take your front, the guy behind you pulls a gun.
There is just not enough road in many crowded roadways at rush hours to allow a buffer. Drivers coming from such competative driving into more relaxed country driving, will continue to grab every opening like they can't afford a second of delay.
My opinion is that the police should stick to crime and stay the fuck out of drivers wallets.
Posted by: wxjames || 12/04/2006 17:22 Comments || Top||

#21  nobody mentions the assholes in the fast lane, going at or underthe "speed limit" instead of pulling over to the right lane

for detection - I use this
Posted by: Frank G || 12/04/2006 17:23 Comments || Top||

#22  Another thing. Here we are at the brink of total war against Islam in about one third of the world, and to illustrate just how pie-in-the-sky off target our leadership is, they give a shit about tailgating.
Lunacy, cradle to grave, full court press lunacy.
Posted by: wxjames || 12/04/2006 17:26 Comments || Top||

#23  What do you use for active counter measures Frank? I can't afford quality passive gear, but I found this in Ft. Walton Beach.



I'm not certain exactly what it does, but connected to me '80s era CB antenna it seems to lower my electric bill and local fertility.
Posted by: Shipman || 12/04/2006 18:03 Comments || Top||

#24  Tailgating is not only a cause of accidents, it is also a factor in many road-rage incidents.

Accidents and road rage are only the (admittedly mayhem-laden) beginning. There is a host of other extremely detrimental societal impacts (literally) that can be directly attributed to tailgating.

More accidents are caused by tailgating than most people realize. It is dangerous, illegal and irresponsible. I drove professionally (Trucker) for about a year in the 02/03 timeframe. I witnessed more accidents caused by idiots tailgating than I care to think of. About half of them involved serious injuries or fatalities.

This is closer to the point.

I'll leave my space in front of me even if people keep filling it; just because they want to take risks is no reason for me to.

And it is not strictly true that riding with a smaller gap increases the capacity of the road - it is only true if 1) there are no additional accidents resulting, and 2) it does not change the flow regime (effectively, from 'laminar' to 'turbulent' if you are dealing with fluids, which is a good approximation to traffic.) At a certain traffic density the lack of gaps to accomodate normal and necessary lane changes and slight speed changes results in conversion to 'stop and go' flow, which is far less efficient than even fairly slow but smooth flow.


Glenmore nails a huge portion of the problem with his superb analogy to fluid dynamics.

First, let's review ALL of the negative ramifications caused by tailgating:

1.) Vastly increased loss of life. Insufficient following distance is one of the leading causes of automobile accidents. DUI and excessive speed are some of the only other factors that figure more prominently.

2.) Greater damage caused per accident. Not just greater loss of life but also greater destruction of property. This has financial impact upon all of us in the form of increased insurance premiums to cover claims generated by uninsured drivers.

3.) Escalated vehicle count at accident scenes. Insufficient following distance is the prime contributor to much larger and destructive chain reaction or "boxcar" collisions. These massive accidents can result in geometrically increased loss of life and also result in huge traffic delays, another deleterious byprodut with immense ramifications.

4.) Injury and accidents due to road rage. While impatient tailgaters probably constitute a large number of those drivers that experience road rage, people who are needlessly endangered by those who follow too closely often can experience similar feelings of anger.

Retaliation frequently comes in the form of a lead car decreasing its speed in order to discourage the tailgating driver from endangering all parties. This can escalate into both violence, collisions and general congestion. Drivers who slow down are not to be blamed for the wrongs of those who deliberately endanger the lives of innocent people.

Furthermore, road rage tends to increase blood pressure, release adrenaline (and norepinepherine, a very damaging compound) and thereby cause a host of other related medical problems and costs while general decreasing the quality of life.

5.) Longer periods of heavier commute congestion. Tailgaters are among the very worst contributors to commuter traffic delays. They are more likely to obstruct or prevent smooth lane changes. The vast majority of needless changes in freeway speed occur at merges and interchanges. Tailgating drivers are frequently found in all lanes of traffic due to their impatience with cars in front of them. Just as often, they will not allow other vehicles to make necessary lane changes when merging onto or off of the freeway. This is a direct cause of traffic jams.

A quick examination will find that traffic tends to lose five to ten miles per hour in speed at or near merges and interchanges. Unavailable space to change lanes is a major cause of this.

A German computer study found that even just a few drivers making slight changes in speed can cause phase changes in traffic flow. The fluid dynamic model is exceptionally appropriate in demonstrating this.
" ...most accidents on freeways have to do with changes in speed.

... on a packed highway, their random speed changes can accumulate and ripple back to slow the speeds of vehicles miles behind."

6.) Heavily magnified environmental impact. Even well-tuned internal combustion engines tend to be least efficient at idling speeds. The congestion caused by tailgaters inhibiting smooth traffic flow plus the accidents these individuals more frequently cause both contribute to immense increases in vehicle emissions. The end result is many extra tons of pollutants being spewn into the atmosphere.

Fluctuating vehicle speeds have another disastrous side effect. Start and stop traffic represents one of the single worst driving conditions in terms of mechanical wear upon a vehicle. Needless commute congestion caused by tailgaters costs the American driving public untold billions in avoidable car repairs.

Another byproduct of this is depletion of resources required to replace all of these prematurely worn out spare parts.

Another form of extremely damaging environmental pollution comes from excessive tire wear. The rubber vulcanization process relies upon heavy metals, cadmium amongst them. This heavy metal is released in greater quantities during the additional friction of start and stop driving. Additionally, the rubber granules are a leading contributor to loss of traction during wet driving conditions. They act as micro-ball bearings that interfere with tire grip.

Traffic at reduced speeds also tends to deposit more oil on the roadway from engine and driveline lubricant leakage. This combines with the rubber granules to create another layer of traffic accidents, all of which can be traced back to congestion cuased by tailgating drivers.

Smog and air pollution have another costly consequence as well.

7.) Increased incidence of pollution-related pulmonary disease. Emphysema, asthma, allergies and a host of other serious and lesser medical conditions are all caused or exacerbated by atmospheric pollution. During the worst era of Los Angels' air pollution, the exposure caused by living near certain heavily congested roadways equated to smoking a pack of cigarettes per day.

Add in the health care costs and increase medical insurance premiums and tailgating begins to take a massive toll upon the public's welfare.

8.) Decreased workplace productivity. Commute related delays in arrival cost corporate America untold billions of dollars per year. It is not just individuals that undergo less productive labor. Entire meetings can be delayed due to the absence of a single person. The ripple effect of tardiness is incalculable.

This assessment ignores another dramatic impact upon corporate productivity. Traffic congestion also delays the delivery of materials. Ordering well ahead of time to circumvent delivery delays represents needlessly held inventory and decreased holding capacity for other goods.

9.) Accelerated wear to roadway infrastructure. Extended residency of vehicles on loadbearing road surfaces increases fatigue, cracking of tarmac and a host of other unnecessary strain related wear, including potholes which cause costly damage and wear to vehicle tires and suspension. This in turn exacerbates needless repairs, their cost plus the resource drain and pollution that accompany such destructive conditions.

10.) Over consumption of petroleum products. If you are concerned about America's over-dependence upon imported Middle Eastern oil, be sure to give tailgaters their share of the blame. Slow traffic and idling engines consume massively increased amounts of both gasoline and lubricants.

This in turn not only increases our dependence upon terrorism sponsoring countries for their oil but also drives up the cost of gasoline by needlessly taxing refinery capactiy. The additional expenditure for purchasing wasted gasoline also represents a very negative impact upon the quality of life for those who drive vehicles.

11.) Diversion of tax revenues for unnecessary remediation. Huge sums of tax dollars are directed towards the remediation of air pollution, fouling of the waterways by leaked or spilled petroleum from vehicles and accidents.

The cost of having tow-trucks stationed at the ready to facilitate rapid removal of wrecks and rendering motorist assistance during commute hours must be calculated as well. Factor in the cost of diamond lanes, on-ramp timing lights and all the enforecement of HOV (High Occupancy Vehicles) lane usage and another tremendous tax burden becomes apparent.

Much of the above pales in comparison to a final and most insidious sort of damage being done to our society from the commute delays caused by tailgating related traffic.

12.) Increased divore rates. You read correctly. Imagine the impact upon homes where the arrival each workday evening of one or both spouses is impacted by extended commute times. Ignore the additional cost of prolonged childcare while parents wend their way home but do not underestimate the damage being done by the lessening of quality time spent by parents with their children or even just their spouses. Marriages and families depend upon the presence of both partners. Even a stay-at-home mother or father still needs the moral support and simple time off of having their partner there to assist them.

Total up all of the lost hours of bread winners coming home late from work because they were tardy that morning or simply were delayed in traffic. All of this compounds what is already a precarious situation for many marriages and families. Neglected children are much more likely to engage in anti-social behavior or juvenile delinquency.

All of the societal impacts have caused a dramatic decrease in the quality of urban American life. I defy you to argue how tailgating drivers are not to blame for a huge percentage of the above listed problems.

Properly calculated, tailgating probably consitutes ten times the damage to our world that drunk driving causes. Due to its supposedly more benign profile (I give you the dismissive replies in this thread as evidence), tailgating is disregarded despite mountains of evidence indicating just how damaging it is to everyday life.

I support any and all law enforcement attempts to put a halt to this obnoxious and dangerous practice. Practicing a safe following distance adds less than one minute to your arrival time and performs a host of beneficial services to the world around you. Think about it.
Posted by: Zenster || 12/04/2006 18:53 Comments || Top||

#25  Please, please, please.....bring it to Central Florida! (And some decent Mexican food, too!)
Posted by: Swamp Blondie || 12/04/2006 19:12 Comments || Top||

#26  I was a big advocate of staking out the 101 around Sherman Oaks in CA, and shooting the first person who hit their brakes before 0600.
Posted by: Phineter Thraviger || 12/04/2006 19:13 Comments || Top||

#27  There's a lot of difference between city and country driving.
Posted by: gromgoru || 12/04/2006 19:21 Comments || Top||

#28  Zenster.
I'm a Master Mechanic, your list of reasons in #23 is good for the first five reasons.

The list from #6 om down is pure bullshit.

Posted by: Redneck Jim || 12/04/2006 19:30 Comments || Top||

#29  The list from #6 om down is pure bullshit.

Too bad they're true. I'm not saying that tailgating is the sole cause of all the items I've listed. Nonetheless, it can be attributed as a causal factor in all of them.

I'll freely admit, there are situations where I tailgate. However, in a majority of roadway circumstances, I DON'T. I've timed myself and see little to no difference in arrival time between good driving practices and bad ones.

I can show you an insurance form of mine that says "ultra-safe driver" as evidence.

Redneck Jim, if, as you've already posted, you accept premise number five then all the remaining points logically devolve from it. I'd be more than happy to see you or anyone else disprove it. Do you maintain that an idling engine is not in one of its most fuel inefficient states? Are you willing to assert that stop and go driving is not one of the most harmful common operating modes for an automotive vehicle? Are you going to argue that subjecting roadbed structures to needlessly extended periods of loadbearing activity doesn't prematurely weaken them? Do you dispute the link between reduced gas mileage experienced during commute congestion and increased gasoline consumption?

The commute congestion caused by tailgating acts as a force multiplier upon all of the other impacting factors resulting from traffic jams.

I was a big advocate of staking out the 101 around Sherman Oaks in CA, and shooting the first person who hit their brakes before 0600.

You're on the money, Phineter Thraviger. For some reason, most motorists are entirely unable to differentiate between braking and TAKING THEIR FOOT OFF OF THE ACCELERATOR. More than likely, the main cause is because, they're following too close!

Gently decelerating WITHOUT telegraphing your speed decrease to the following driver is one of the best ways to help prevent traffic jams. As I mentioned, due to most people following too closely, few people can actually practice this excellent driving habit.

Watching the roadbed from a friend's picture window, I have watched a single flurry of brakelights completely stall a six lane freeway.


Posted by: Zenster || 12/04/2006 20:21 Comments || Top||

#30  I have quite the commute driving HWY 285 into Denver from the mountains with the changing weather conditions and elevation. I just plan on a few hours time to get there.
I would like to see that folks have decent tread on their tires, walking into the local Safeway and seeing some of the sad tires on the cars in the parking lot scare the hell out of me. Also folks that feel a 4 wheel drive is good on ice is nuts, give me good studded snow tires and front wheel drive anytime. These 4 wheelers slide all over the road, it's interesting trying to avoid them and keep distance from everyone.
While tailgating isn't right, the righteous folks driving slow in the passing lane, are probably the ones causing alot of the drivers to do so.
and yes, I do have a radar detector, my bad.
Posted by: Jan || 12/04/2006 20:25 Comments || Top||

#31  ...I'm driving down the highway at 65 with a 2 second cushion...someone moves into the space, I slow down to reopen the cushion, someone else moves into the space... Ya've been driving in Germany haven'tcha, Alan?
Posted by: GK || 12/04/2006 20:45 Comments || Top||

#32  Ticketing less than a two second margin is just taxation. #10 has it exactly right, you can never keep that kind of space in any kind of traffic.

Unless there is a collision ahead, what is important is can your car stop faster than the one ahead but not much faster than the one behind. If so, any interval more than your reaction time (less than a quarter of a second) is fine. Otherwise you need more; so, get as much as you can given the traffic around you.

If there is a collision ahead on the highway, get out of the trafficked lanes immediately and safely get ahead of the mess, before even thinking about anything else.

If that's too complicated for you, then follow a very large truck with as much safety margin as the traffic will allow without cutting in. Its momentum will keep you safe from anything that gets in its, and therefore your, way.
Posted by: rammer || 12/04/2006 22:09 Comments || Top||

#33  I need to clarify.

However many seconds behind another car often is meaningless due to traffic conditions. Look at the speed laws. Going ten miles an hour over the speed limit is permissible if traffic conditions merit it.

What I want to see is the highway patrol nailing EVERY SINGLE BASTARD who thinks it's hunky dory to hang 24" off of your bumper at 60 MPH. Even more important is citing violations of disproportionate vehicle weight following distance. By this I mean that an SUV trying to crawl up the tailpipe of a sub-compact should be nailed just like a sub-compact that hangs off the rear mudflap of a Harley. Both are intentionally endangering another driver's life for no reason at all.

Such morons would provide an endless supply of steady revenue for even the most depleted of municipal coffers. Cities that establish impossible to comply with traffic laws (as in shortening yellow lights) should be boycotted by all tourism and local business wherever possible.
Posted by: Zenster || 12/04/2006 22:41 Comments || Top||

#34  If that's too complicated for you, then follow a very large truck with as much safety margin as the traffic will allow without cutting in. Its momentum will keep you safe from anything that gets in its, and therefore your, way.

This is exceptionally good advice. Truckers (per my own observations about maintaining vehicle momentum) absolutely depend upon keeping their rigs rolling at whatever speed. The sad part is watching idiots jam the "no zone" behind big rigs. Truckers most definitely DO NOT deserve that.
Posted by: Zenster || 12/04/2006 22:48 Comments || Top||

#35  (And some decent Mexican food, too!)

Would you settle for some recipes? Thems I got.
Posted by: Zenster || 12/04/2006 22:52 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
600 feared dead in Philippine typhoon
Get out yer checkbooks...
Philippine rescuers shoveled away mud and boulders yesterday to recover bodies from mudslides that smothered mountainside villages. Officials feared the death toll from a powerful typhoon could double to 600. Seas of thick black mud made the going tough for rescue workers, who were not believed to have pulled any survivors from the muck since the first hours after Typhoon Durian blasted ashore Thursday. The storm affected 800,000 people, officials said. The official death toll hit 303, with another 300 people missing.

The Disaster Coordinating Council of worst-hit Albay province reported 285 dead, including 165 in the town of Guinobatan, swamped by floodwaters in the Mayon volcano's foothills. Three towns on Mayon's slopes, overwhelmed by mudslides of volcanic ash and boulders, each reported at least 22 dead. Four other provinces reported fatalities, but accurate casualty figures were hard to come by, with the disaster's devastation so widespread and power and phone lines down. In some places, rescue workers found only parts of bodies.
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