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Egypt: Islamic Link to Gang Rape and Molestation
Posted by: Sneaze Shaiting3550 || 11/12/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  More insight into Male Arab terror dynamics:

http://www.nospank.net/glazov.htm

http://www.challenging-islam.org/articles/chesler.htm
Posted by: Sneaze Shaiting3550 || 11/12/2006 3:35 Comments || Top||

#2  Some important observations from the link in the original post:
We were sitting in a coffee shop downtown, I and Wael Abbas and Nasser Noury (a photographer for Reuters) and Mohammed El Sharkawy and others. A colleague joined us and told us that in front of Cinema Metro on Talaat Harb Street sexual assaults were taking place and that the cinema's ticket window had been vandalized.
Funny how this didn't appear on the Reuters wire. I wonder why?
[Australian mufti] Hilaly's view is not unique, it's commonplace among Muslim leaders but not unique to Muslims. In Hilaly's universe and the universe of religious leaders like him, women are always the ones who provoke sexual assaults. Tight clothing is blamed, loose mores, etc are blamed.
Which beggars the question of how many other moderate Muslims share this viewpoint. This becomes critical as we delve deeper into the psycho-sexual nature of Arab terrorism. I'm usually one to eschew using Freudian or sexual terminology to assess behavior. Not so much out of prudishness but simply because rational responsibility should provide many more cogent answers in explaining the behavior of modern adults.

I now rather firmly believe that this does not apply to explanations of how the "Arab Street" conducts itself. If you review the several articles listed above, it becomes increasingly clear that psycho-sexual motives and sexual trauma play a significant role in what we label as Islamic terrorism. This is not an excuse by any means, but it remains an important guidepost to understanding the phenomenon. It also points up some rather important final conclusions.
Incidents like this reveal the fundamental reality that it has nothing to do with the women as individuals at all, with anything they do or don't do, just with the fact that they are women who happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Let's take a step back to Hilaly's mentor and the founder of modern Islamic radicalism, the godfather of Al Queda, Hamas and nearly every radical Sunni Islamic organization that dates back to the Muslim Brotherhood; Sayyid Qutb. Sayyid, like many radical Muslims, was well educated and had spent time in the West.

He received his Master's Degree in Education at the Colorado State College. He returned full of deranged ramblings about the Jews controlling the world, Americans being obsessed with mowing lawns and sex. His attitude neatly captures the frustrated psychotic behavior of the mobs in Cairo as well as its flip side, the radical Islamists because in the end they are one and the same.

Sayyid Qutub attended a Church sock hop at Colorado's Greely Church and as the pastor put on, "Baby, It's Cold Outside" in the gramophone, Sayyid Qutb began to literally seethe inside. He wrote of the incident later. "They danced to the tunes of the gramophone, and the dance floor was replete with tapping feet, enticing legs, arms wrapped around waists, lips pressed to lips, and chests pressed to chests. The atmosphere was full of desire.

Of American women, Sayid Qutb wrote; "The American girl is well-acquainted with her body's seductive capacity. She knows it lies in the face and in expressive eyes and thirsty lips. She knows seductiveness lies in the round breasts, the full buttocks and in the shapely thighs, sleek legs, and she shows all this and does not hide it."

At least one reason for radical Muslims to hate Jews is for the invention of psychiatry. One that makes it quite clear that Sayyid Qutb was not writing about American women but himself, not about the sock hop but his physical reaction to it. A reaction that he projected onto the objects of his desire. In this same way Qutb and his radical students who include Al Queda's Number 2, Ayman Al Zawahiri, project their own desires on America and Israel.

When they talk about Jews wanting to run the world or America wanting to enslave Muslims, what they really mean is they want to run the world and they want to enslave all Muslims under a single caliphate. That kind of projection is at the heart of Islamic rationalization which says the man isn't responsible for rape because the fact that he desires the women, proves she seduced him and the fact that he hates the West proves that the West is out to get him.

In an inverted moral universe the victims are the perpetrators not because of anything they did but because they have been victimized. The very fact that they were victimized, is used as proof of their culpability. This was the attitude taken through the 19th and 20th centuries towards the massacres and persecution of Jews well into the Holocaust. Indeed many Anti-semitic tracts used that and continue to use it as their argument, stating that the very persecution of the Jews proved that Jews had done something to enrage so many people.

Whenever liberals highlight the Arab Street argument telling us how much of the Muslim world is upset at America, they're playing into the same idea as Hilaly, using Muslim anger as proof that we are guilty. If they're angry at us, it must mean we're at fault for angering them.

For some time now I have maintained that even without terrorism, Islam is null and void as a creed due to its institutionalized abuse of women. A cursory scan of the linked articles proves this in spades. Until Islam ends its policy of Abject Gender Apartheid, there will be no change in any of the other repulsive and psychotic behavior commonly found in MME (Muslim Middle East) countries and Muslim majority countries in general.

The absolute end of FGM (Female Genital Mutilation), and elimination of the hijab, niqab and burqa must represent the first two of several steps towards any authentic rehabilitation of Islam. Across-the-board equality and universal women's suffrage in all MME countries must become a gold standard for their continued participation upon the world stage.

This must be non-negotiable and any attempts at moral equivalency or relativism must be strangled in the cradle lest they allow a scintilla of recalcitrance with respect to this issue. Arguments can go on forever about whether terrorism is justified by dint of religious dogma. While it is patently obvious that there is no moral justification for it, debate could still continue endlessly.

The abuse of women is a much more clear cut issue and one that represents a keystone to many of the dysfunctional aspects in Arab culture. Here is where a gigantic lever must be applied in the enforcement of human rights. This is one of the singlemost important avenues towards finally dismantling much of Islam's toxic meme and it cannot happen too soon.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/12/2006 5:52 Comments || Top||

#3  Zenster:
Great comment. Our leaders and media people have to stop looking at Arabs as victims, and begin to deal with their victimization of women, seculars, religious minorities, etc.
Posted by: Sneaze Shaiting3550 || 11/12/2006 10:13 Comments || Top||

#4  Early Orientalists in Cairo had a saying: "With Arabs you separate the men from the boys with a crowbar."

Jerry S. Piven, Jihad and Sacred Vengeance:
Psychological Undercurrents of History, vol.III, NY 2002

Chesler, Kobrin and de Mause advance the idea that Islamofascist violence comes from the degradation of women in Muslim society, and from the very wide-spread but steadfastly denied prevelance of sexual child abuse in much of the Moslem world. (Martín-Barbero summarizing Kobrin, and deMause chapter 3, and Chesler articles).

According to anthropological research dating back to the 1950s, much of Moslem society, and especially Arab society, suffers from on-going but ignored epidemics of anal rape of young boys, often by older half-brothers and uncles, sometimes gang rape of even very young boys, and anal rape of young girls (vaginal penetration would result in loss of virginity and resultant reduction of bride-price), often by older brothers, half-brothers, uncles, and even fathers.

As summarized by Breiner, the “Arab personality” that results from this wide-spread sexual child abuse and abuse of women (which impacts adversely not only on the women, but also upon the children of the family: imagine the effect upon a small child of seeing his or her beloved and nurturing mother regularly and brutally abused by a totalitarian father) can be described as follows:

“There is a general quality of an "Arab personality" and a special "Arab-world". Some of the characteristics are:

1. words substitute for behavior, leading to confusion of words being equal to action,

2. all Arabs are brothers, yet

3. there is ubiquitous hostility between(kindred) groups,

4. the non-Arab world is the enemy,

5. tribal and patriarchal attitudes are pervasive,

6. difficulty in admitting mistakes,

7. fatalism,

8. emotionally expressive and labile,

9. father is dictatorial and mother (women in general) is submissive, females are denegrated,

10. marked corporal punishment,

11. language and behavior has a time, verb tense distortion,

12. magical thinking,

13. either/or, right/wrong, black/white attitudes,

14. exaggeration is expected,

15. a special code of honor and courage different from the West, with vendettas and murder considered reasonable and required for non-threatening behavior to them,

16. extensive sexual stimulation and prohibition,

17. genitals of children stimulated and attacked, with more extensive abuse to female genitals (mutilation), and

18. extensive physical and psychological problems in giving birth and caring for the young child. There are age inappropriate stimulations and deprivations, general encouragement of hostility, and pervasive denigration and abuse of females of all ages, with resultant pathology that can be seen
in medical and psychological clinics, social settings, political structures, and individual evaluations.” (Breiner, summary)

When considering the above, note how #s 5, 9, 10, 15, 16, 17, and 18 find exemplification in the reports of homosexual abuse of hundreds of young male children in Pakistan by their Madrasa Imams, homosexual rape of slaves in Sudan (especially child slaves), legally sanctioned and religiously excused gang-rape in Pakistan of innocent female members of an offending clan by
males of a clan whose honor has been offended by the female victim’s clan, and the epidemic of Moslem gang rapes against white European women. (I have previously sent emails on these issues with documentation, If you were careless enough to not save them, let me know and I’ll resend them to you).

One need not be a psychiatrist to imagine the psychological harm done to a young boy who must somehow successfully repress his natural rage and fright and shame and feelings of helplessness and other emotional upheaval
resulting from the on-going and unaddressed homosexual abuse that he suffers from otherwise trusted male family members, or from witnessing his male adults abusing his mother or siblings….for years, during his childhood.

Then add to this psychologically toxic mix the impact of castration anxiety produced by Arab male circumcision customs upon 13-year old boys (documented in the material quoted above, and elsewhere).

Then add the brutality of female genital mutilation, far more widespread in the Arab world than acknowledged by the West.

These volcanic feelings of fear and rage and shame and pain, repressed for a life-time, could be the root cause, or one of the major root causes, of the phenomenon of mass rage and social explosive volatility which we call “the
Arab Street”.

They may also be at cause, perhaps at root cause, for the modern phenomenon of Islamofascist terrorism.

We know from our own culture that child abuse is closely connected to criminal behavior and to abuse transferred to the next generation. It is not a far stretch from this documented correlation to the suggestion that repressed rage in Arab males, stemming from abusive experiences in childhood, is at cause for the Arab near-monopoly on terrorism. The
repressed rage may contribute to a proclivity toward violence, and to acting out the repressed hatred on other ‘legitimate’ targets; especially when such targets are legitimized, and violence against them sanctioned, by incendiary
sermons from Islamofascist Imams in Wahhabi-controlled mosques throughout the Moslem world…..and especially when these targets are perceived to be weak and unlikely to retaliate (women, Jews, recently-defeated Israelis, the
American “paper tiger”).

Such rage may account for Daniel Pipes' documentation of "Sudden Jihad Syndrome".

It is not by accident that almost all of the world’s terrorists, for the past 30 years, are Moslems, and most of these are Arabs. Similarly it is not by chance that other than Moslem Arabs, no other ethno-linguistic or national or religious group in the world has a “Street”. We speak only of the "Arab Street".
Posted by: Sneaze Shaiting3550 || 11/12/2006 11:27 Comments || Top||

#5  A useful post, for me at least, Sneaze Shaiting3550. Thank you.
Posted by: trailing wife || 11/12/2006 22:40 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
The Left Crows About Their Big Win
Now that Huffington Post really believes it is relevant, I thought it would be a good idea to get a representative samplng of the left's rank and file attitudes towards the next two years
The ugly American mark two is dead. Overnight six years of glib European identification of "American" with right-wing fundamentalism is over. The gun-toting, pre-Darwinian Bushite, the Tomahawk-wielding, Halliburton-loving, Beltway neo-con, damning abortion as murder and torturing Islamo-fascists has been lain to rest, and by a decision of the American people. Americans should be proud and the world should take note.
The guy got six of seven right. And I suspect the appelation beltway neocon only refers to those actually in Washington DC. Absent from this graf is reference to all the other "gun-toting, pre-Darwinian Bushite, the Tomahawk-wielding, Halliburton-loving" conservatives not in DC, in stark relief by its absence. It surely must be nice that DC is the only place "gun-toting, pre-Darwinian Bushite, the Tomahawk-wielding, Halliburton-loving" necons exist; couldn't be the tens of millions elsewhere.
In a high turnout the majority rejected the tenets of the religious right and of "big government" neo-conservativism. They expressed concern over the corruption and warmongering of Washington and the state of their economy in Bush's hands. For the Republicans there were no consolations.
This remains a mystery to me. Religious right? Bush has said less about religion now than he did when he first started. His initiatives were stopped cold by beltway politics, but they can now say the overturning of congress is a repudiation of the religious right?

And there were consolations. We get to see if the left can advance into congress with no agenda other than to retreat from Iraq. I seriously hope politics doesn't permit this because this time I will not let the left nor the right forget.

In other words, in pressing for a retreat from Iraq if so much as one follicle of one "gun-toting, pre-Darwinian Bushite, the Tomahawk-wielding, Halliburton-loving" soldier gets mussed there will be hell to pay in 2008. I will as one of the old timers at Rantburg have suggested, be on the ground for a return to congress.

The new congress is mandated to press ahead with a higher minimum wage, an end to pork-barrel budgeting, immigrant amnesty, energy conservation, stem cell research and radical changes to the drugs bill and welfare generally. Most of these may fall by the wayside, but they have behind them the winds of a mandate. Congress must find a way of curbing Bush's uncontrolled federal expenditure if a new Democrat president after 2008 is not to endure agonies of retrenchment. Whether Bush will decide to cooperate with such change in the hope of rescuing his floundering presidency is up to him. Certainly the only Republican of any stature, the war sceptic Senator John McCain, seems disinclined to help him.
Whoa. Where to start?

Firstly for a Pommie, this writer certainly did a job of expessing himself. Let's face it, immigrant amnesty is anathema to conservatives. This laundry list of goals are a non starter with the bare majority the left has, but that won't stand in the way of good invective.

And it suprises me not at all that a maginal wordsmith like this guy would refer to John McCain as a "republican with any stature." The man is not even mentioned in most presidential straw polls I have seen and when he is, he has negatives higher than a Hillary-Pelosi ticket would have.

The American military is know (sic) ...
To quote what every editor would say "How unfortunate" this was allowed to creep into perfectly good socialist invactive.
... to want to leave and Iraqis, whether those in power welcome it or not, sense the occupation is de facto over. At such a moment insurgency knows it has won, however long it takes the occupying power to go. Retreat becomes the only option. A wretched era of American interventionism has come to an end. A new day has dawned.
The mask didn't slip folks. This pussy removed it, knowing retreat will hand the Muslims a military victory.

The comments are no more revealing but they are entertaining running the gamut from "Yay, we're going to lose another war to don't count your chickens yet.

Posted by a "gun-toting, pre-Darwinian Bushite, the Tomahawk-wielding, Halliburton-loving" conservative

Doncha love the way it sounds?
Posted by: badanov || 11/12/2006 12:04 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Hate to break it to the HuffPo ho's, but they just voted in a BIG pile of Pro-Gun Dems, with NRA grades of A & B, including 2 key ones that give them power in the senate: Tester and Webb.

And plenty of their candidates were Pro-Life as well.


Thats how they won in Red areas - they were socially conservative, and many even ran (and won!) on Repubs not being tough enough on immigration!

Posted by: OldSpook || 11/12/2006 17:16 Comments || Top||

#2  Unfortunately, I predict mass de-enlistment in the US military forces as soon as the current enlistment terms run out. I also predict these fools will press for more gun bans, an reinstatement of the assault weapons ban, waiting periods on all firearms and ammunition purchases, universal pre-school with enforcement requirements, bans on home schooling, and a helluva' lot more over the course of the next 2 years.

Buy ammo now!

Posted by: FOTSGreg || 11/12/2006 18:47 Comments || Top||

#3  "Hate to break it to the HuffPo ho's, but they just voted in a BIG pile of Pro-Gun Dems, with NRA grades of A & B, including 2 key ones that give them power in the senate: Tester and Webb."

Don't count on it, Oldspook.

The template of the modern Dem party is Bill Clinton. His sort of Trojan horse approach is the one being used by the alleged middle of the road Dems who won like Tester and Webb.

The game is this - dress yourself up as credibly middle of the road, all along knowing that once you're in you'll vote for things like gun control. Clinton did this and had huge success. Others are simply doing using the same techniques to get elected themselves.

Do not be shocked if all of these NRA-approved types get in and grab your guns. They can't be trusted even now, less so when the leadership says "vote this way or you'll be a one-termer.

"Pro-gun dems" seems like a pretty big oxymoron, at this point.
Posted by: no mo uro || 11/12/2006 19:46 Comments || Top||

#4  And here's the proof:

http://www.alphecca.com/mt_alphecca_archives/002815.html
Posted by: no mo uro || 11/12/2006 19:59 Comments || Top||

#5  I hope that the Blue-dog Dems will moderate the Democratic Party Romper Room, but I'm not really hopeful. NMU has it right. If the BDD's don't fall in line, the Hildebeest and Pelosi will kick them to the curb.

For them, elections are about power, and compromise, either with Trunks or their own heretics has no part of that.

My greatest hope for the next two years is that Clinton and Pelosi will get into a power struggle - two prima donnas in a bottle.
Posted by: SR-71 || 11/12/2006 20:07 Comments || Top||

#6  IOW, the DEMS > want themselves + all America = Amerika to pretend that the White House will BLOW ITSELF UP. Once again, the Motherly Commie Airborne are just lost armed tourists taking the cheap tour of NORAM-CONUS by parachuting wid guns + tanks on Washington DC. KINDLY, CARING INVADING ARMIES ARE JUST TRYING TO SAVE ON THEIR TOURIST AIRLINE MILEAGE, D *** NG IT! And Amerikan
"comfort women" were all hookers and prostitutes to begin with.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 11/12/2006 22:41 Comments || Top||


Anchoress: Reasons for optimism
Actually, I’m not optimistic. I’ve been mostly out of it for a couple or three days now, and have almost no idea what is going on in the world, outside of the stuff I’d have known whether I read the news or not (you know, Al Qaeda is rejoicing the Dem win and the Dems are seriously focused on…ummm…not Iraq or terrorism…)

So, for all I know, my happy little thoughts born under a days-long febrile situation could be so much mush as of this moment…but I said I’d share ‘em, so I will, and I’ll hope they don’t sound like gibberish.

I know many people are depressed, but while I am not happy about the election outcome, I do think it’s unseemly for Christians, at least, to be depressed…our God is not politics or the GOP, right?

Remember…things turn on a dime, nothing is static and God has his hand in everything.

And remember this: The Evil loves discord - evil HAD to love what has been going on in this country for the past 8 years. While the Dems are going to be holding on to their hate for a while (and the press will more than let them), the more-rational, more moderately-inclined people who may have gotten caught up in the venom of the last couple of years will let go of it and look to see what “solutions” are forthcoming. The Dems have been screaming “work with us, we matter…” now, they have a seat at the table with a president who tried like hell to work with them in the beginning of his run (and got smacked down for it, repeatedly) and who will do what he thinks is best for the nation. Now, they have to put up or shut up, and if they want to be taken seriously, they’re going to have to actually do some work.

So will the election take the wind out of their sails of hate? It has to, eventually. And uh-oh, the evil can’t like that.

Good always overcomes evil…we just don’t always understand what that looks like while we’re in the thick of things, or recognise it when it comes our way. But the Holy Spirit has a way of working with things that look like disasters, and making them work for the best. Remember when Rudy Giuliani had to bow out of the senate race from the prostate cancer? Everyone mourned, we know only he could beat Hillary and we thought, “what a freaking disaster…”

But because he bowed out of that race, he was the mayor of NYC when 9/11 happened…and he was exactly the man that needed to be there. Had he been a senator, the truly goofy and uninspiring Mark Greene would have been mayor and he would have terrified us even more.

I am under the weather and can’t express this well. But remember this, too - people tend to forget it.

Bush is a man living a creed before he is the president. He is the president of the whole country before he is a republican. He is a republican before he is a conservative.

Conservatives, especially, really forgot that this year, when they crucified him for daring to nominate Harriet Miers, for the Dubai deal and immigration. While Bush has always been consistent (he’s always been exactly who he is), suddenly the good things he’d done were not enough, and we had to endure the spectacle of Bush’s cock-sure “pure conservative betters” in the press and some blogs throw him under the bus.

Kind of interesting, really. President Bush has always been a center-right man, the left painted him as a far-right nazi, and the far-right said he wasn’t conservative enough.

Whether they like to admit it or not, that partly contributed to his general unpopularity, which directly contributed to this loss. Independents and others saw that even Bush’s “own people” didn’t like him, so they didn’t like him, either (and disdain has even longer coattails than admiration).

Nobody wants to be with the unpopular kid, so when they left Bush behind, they left any votes they might have hung for the GOP. The bite of the conservative purists did not lose the election…but it did contribute to the whole infection of negativity that surrounded it.

Now, the uber-conservative “my way or the highway” types have lots to think about (and no chance to see more “strict constitutionalist judges” make it to the SCOTUS), and maybe a lesson or two to learn (anyone who bloviates that he/she/they have nothing to learn only proves that have much to learn).

Once we figure out what the lessons are, some of us will learn them, others won’t. One thing we can be sure of is that the Dems will still need to learn that America does not like “my way or the highwayism…” It goes against our very natures. Maybe we on the right and they on the left can all learn it together. So far, I don’t think the right has learned it…I read something on a blog a few days ago, a conservative writing, “Bush lost this on purpose so he can get his immigration amnesty through!”

Riiiiiiggght…that’s exactly what just happened.

2004 was not a “landslide” win, and while the country might be trending center-right, I do think CENTER is the operative word, there. Balance comes from the center, and balance is a good and desirable thing.

The country has been in an ugly, ugly place for 8 years, since Clinton’s impeachment. It was not going to get better if the GOP kept winning…the left was only going to get more insane and bitter, the GOP was going to get more arrogant and entrenched and less willing to take chances and risk their seats.

This election, in the end, is just a realignment, a correction. But unlike the small corrections that routinely occur in the stock market, this one is going to be a lengthy one, and a very important one - it’s going to be a correction that either pulls us together and makes us a stronger nation, or utterly sinks as we bog down in political payback and recrimination. The Dems are going to be accountable now, that’s going to change things.

And don’t forget, half of everything you see is an illusion anyway - a great deal of what we live through daily is like smoke that takes shape only to dissipate into nothingness. Figure out what the important issues are and demand that the “leadership” focus on them, and then keep your eyes on the press, who surely won this last engagement as much as the GOP lost it.
Posted by: Mike || 11/12/2006 08:15 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "keep your eyes on the press, who surely won this last engagement as much as the GOP lost it"

Methinks she's onto something here. Many of us in the webworld (myself included) saw Rathergate as the end of the hegemony of the MSM. Well, it may have been the end of the beginning, to quote Churchill, but it isn't anywhere near the end.

We had best steel ourselves to this reality.

Reynolds may ultimately be proven right about our army of Davids, in some not-too-distant future, but for now the hegemony of the MSM on the information stream is only showing cracks, not a wide open dam burst. Let's hope that the cracks keep getting wider.
Posted by: no mo uro || 11/12/2006 9:04 Comments || Top||

#2  I would put the President on the religious right. But his views on multi-culturalism put him on the center on that key issue.

One of the things that killed my attitude to mosaic v melting pot thinking is the fact that immigrants retain their loyalty to their country of origin. In any Los Angeles soccer game between the US national team and any Latin team, partisan crowds jeer any decision that goes to the US. Frankly, if Hispanics, Somalis and Arabs despise us, it would be better if they hate us from a distance.
Posted by: Sneaze Shaiting3550 || 11/12/2006 10:57 Comments || Top||

#3  It seems that the American people (or at least the majority of voters) have decided that the WOT is not really interesting to them.

It seems that what America is inviting is a second 11/9.
It will indeed come, because the Democrats if they take the coming elections will become lax.
Refusing to see a threat will not stop it from hitting you between the eyes.
too bad that a lot of Americans will have to die again before the american people realize what the Muslims are really into.


Posted by: Elder of Zion || 11/12/2006 12:42 Comments || Top||


Gates has an enemy in Webb
Robert Novak

One reason for hurrying Senate confirmation of Robert Gates as secretary of defense through the lame-duck session of Congress is to avoid confrontation with an old enemy: James Webb, who will be a Democratic senator from Virginia in the new Congress starting in January.

During President Reagan's second term, Gates and Webb clashed as colleagues. Webb as secretary of the Navy objected to plans by Gates, then deputy national security adviser, for U.S. warships to protect oil platforms in the Persian Gulf. The hot-tempered Webb made clear his irritation with the soft-spoken Gates.

Considering his background, Webb is likely to go on the Senate Armed Services Committee. The White House wants to confirm Gates before Webb is sworn in.
Posted by: Steve White || 11/12/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  the soft-spoken Gates

Yeah, he was really soft-spoken when Saddam massacred the rebelling Shias and Kurds after GWI...
Posted by: Pappy || 11/12/2006 0:13 Comments || Top||

#2  Well, I wouldn't mind if he speaks softly as long as he would carry a big stick. If that is not the case, I do mind.
Posted by: twobyfour || 11/12/2006 3:49 Comments || Top||

#3  Bush Sr aarried a big stick back in the first sandbox, but refused to use it. Left us sitting on the Euphrates and elt the Shia and Swamp Arabs get slaughtered within sight of US forces.
Posted by: OldSpook || 11/12/2006 17:06 Comments || Top||

#4  Let bygones be bygones. People grow and mature. He was not making the desisions at the time. I'll give him a slack. Not much, but some. Many of us woke up 9/11, being in the dreamland all the time before. I had an earlier epiphany, but different people have a different threshold.
Posted by: twobyfour || 11/12/2006 17:15 Comments || Top||


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Steyn: ADHD America = Spain
On the radio a couple of weeks ago, Hugh Hewitt suggested to me the terrorists might try to pull a Spain on the U.S. elections. You'll recall (though evidently many Americans don't) that in 2004 hundreds of commuters were slaughtered in multiple train bombings in Madrid. The Spaniards responded with a huge street demonstration of supposed solidarity with the dead, all teary passivity and signs saying "Basta!" -- "Enough!" By which they meant not "enough!" of these murderers but "enough!" of the government of Prime Minister Aznar, and of Bush and Blair, and troops in Iraq. A couple of days later, they voted in a socialist government, which immediately withdrew Spanish forces from the Middle East. A profitable couple of hours' work for the jihad.

I said to Hugh I didn't think that would happen this time round. The enemy aren't a bunch of simpleton Pushtun yakherds, but relatively sophisticated at least in their understanding of us. We're all infidels, but not all infidels crack the same way. If they'd done a Spain -- blown up a bunch of subway cars in New York or vaporized the Empire State Building -- they'd have re-awoken the primal anger of September 2001. With another mound of corpses piled sky-high, the electorate would have stampeded into the Republican column and demanded the U.S. fly somewhere and bomb someone.

The jihad crowd know that. So instead they employed a craftier strategy. Their view of America is roughly that of the British historian Niall Ferguson -- that the Great Satan is the first superpower with ADHD. They reasoned that if you could subject Americans to the drip-drip-drip of remorseless water torture in the deserts of Mesopotamia -- a couple of deaths here, a market bombing there, cars burning, smoke over the city on the evening news, day after day after day, and ratcheted up a notch or two for the weeks before the election -- you could grind down enough of the electorate and persuade them to vote like Spaniards, without even realizing it. And it worked. You can rationalize what happened on Tuesday in the context of previous sixth-year elections -- 1986, 1958, 1938, yada yada -- but that's not how it was seen around the world, either in the chancelleries of Europe, where they're dancing conga lines, or in the caves of the Hindu Kush, where they would also be dancing conga lines if Mullah Omar hadn't made it a beheading offense. And, as if to confirm that Tuesday wasn't merely 1986 or 1938, the president responded to the results by firing the Cabinet officer most closely identified with the prosecution of the war and replacing him with a man associated with James Baker, Brent Scowcroft and the other "stability" fetishists of the unreal realpolitik crowd.
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Posted by: Bobby || 11/12/2006 14:36 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Steyn is right. The question is how do we convince the rest of us Hobbits he is right? Mordor is a long way off, the pipe-weed is good - even if we can't smoke it in pubs any more, and, besides, half the Southfarthing thinks Gondor had it coming.

The irony of all this is that it is only we warmongers who understand that Mordor could win this thing. I can't speak for the rest of you folks but I don't think the Elves are going to take me with them when they leave.

/LOTR
Posted by: Excalibur || 11/12/2006 15:16 Comments || Top||

#2  Lol, Excaliber - interesting analogy... pretty sharp, heh.
Posted by: .com || 11/12/2006 15:20 Comments || Top||

#3  Cartoon Khartoum Network...pretty sly
Posted by: Frank G || 11/12/2006 15:38 Comments || Top||

#4  "Steyn is right. The question is how do we convince the rest of us Hobbits he is right?"

I think Tuesday pretty much gave us the answer to that: we can't. They're going to have to find that out the hard way, through bitter experience.

Posted by: Dave D. || 11/12/2006 16:20 Comments || Top||

#5  Hey, the hobbits were supposed to be British, you know.
Posted by: gromky || 11/12/2006 17:01 Comments || Top||

#6  America = Amerika/SPain won't have to elect a "SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT" becuz CLINTONISM > America is already a COMMIE-SOCIALIST nation but just won't know it until after at least POTUS HILLARY and maybe even POTUS CHELSEA > you know, the Hated BUSH DYNASTY. Iff PEARL HARBOR was the Left's declaration of war, then America = Amerika needs HIROSHIMA-NAGASAKI ON AMER SOIL afore the Left can proclaim AMERICA IS VICTORIOUS BY ITS SURRENDER/DESTRUCTION. CHINA [2014-after] = RUSSIA [2018] > WAR AGZ AMER, AND ONLY AMER, IS NOT ONLY POSSIBLE/REALISTIC BUT DESIRED.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 11/12/2006 23:05 Comments || Top||



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