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-Signs, Portents, and the Weather-
A dozen CEOs back Bill Ackman's call to not hire Harvard students who blamed Israel for Hamas attack
Consequences, Bitches. Do you feel them?
[NYPOST] At least a dozen business executives have endorsed Bill Ackman’s call to deny hiring members of student groups at Harvard who signed on to a letter blaming Israel for Hamas’ deadly attack on Saturday that killed more than 1,200 people, including at least 22 Americans.

Jonathan Newman, the CEO of salad chain Sweetgreen, was among a group of business honchos who seconded Ackman in urging that the signatories of the letter circulated by the a coalition of 34 Harvard student groups who "hold the Israeli regime entirely responsible for all unfolding violence."

"I would like to know so I know never to hire these people," Newman wrote in response to Ackman’s post on X on Tuesday.

"Same," David Duel, CEO of healthcare services firm EasyHealth, wrote in response to Newman.
We have the list, so others must, too.
The backlash and possible blacklisting has led to a flurry of backpedaling by four of the initial student organizations attached to the inflammatory statement — while board members of other groups have quit to distance themselves.

Late Tuesday, 17 other Harvard groups joined around 500 faculty and staff and 3,000 others in signing a counter-statement attacking the other groups’ letter as "completely wrong and deeply offensive," according to the campus paper, the Harvard Crimson.
Good.
At least a dozen business executives have endorsed Bill Ackman's call to deny hiring to members of some three dozen student groups at Harvard who signed on to a letter blaming Israel for Hamas' deadly attack.

A third letter from nearly 160 faculty members also ripped Harvard’s response to the scandal, writing that it "can be seen as nothing less than condoning the mass murder of civilians based only on their nationality."
Very good. Alinsky would approve.
Fears that some of the nation’s brightest young minds had doomed their futures led former Harvard President Larry Summers to caution against singling out students who were "naive and foolish" about what they were signing.
No. They were all legally adult, deliberate and intentional. They don’t get to pretend to be children when they get spanked for their choices.
"I yield to no one in my revulsion at the statement apparently made on behalf of 30 plus @Harvard student group," Summers posted Wednesday on X, the rebranded Twitter site. "But please everybody take a deep breath. Many in these groups never saw the statement before it went out. In some cases those approving did not understand exactly what they were approving."
This is not the first time these groups pontificated against Israel in these terms, and all the members have seen it before.
"This is not a time where it is constructive to vilify individuals and I am sorry that is happening," he added.

The former Treasury Secretary had taken school administrators to task for failing to explicitly condemn Hamas and denounce the student letter on Monday.

"Share the list, please. We’ll stay away," Ale Resnik, the CEO of Belong, a rental housing startup, replied on X.Belong

On Tuesday, Ackman, the hedge fund billionaire and founder of Pershing Square Capital Management, posted an item on his X social media account demanding that his alma mater release a list of names of those who belong to the student groups who co-signed the controversial statement.

"I have been asked by a number of CEOs if Harvard would release a list of the members of each of the Harvard organizations that have issued the letter assigning sole responsibility for Hamas’ heinous acts to Israel, so as to insure that none of us inadvertently hire any of their members," Ackman, who is married to Israeli-born MIT professor Neri Oxman, wrote on X.

"If, in fact, their members support the letter they have released, the names of the signatories should be made public so their views are publicly known."

"Share the list, please. We’ll stay away," Ale Resnik, the CEO of Belong, a rental housing startup, replied on X.

Martin Varsavsky, a tech investor and entrepreneur, told Insider that he thought Ackman was "right."

Michael McQuaid, the head of decentralized finance operations (DeFi) at blockchain firm Bloq, weighed in, writing: "I completely agree, and have been wondering the same the last couple of days if/when the names of these students would come out."

Michael Broukhim, CEO of FabFitFun, pledged to Ackman: "We are in as well."

Other executives who signaled their approval of Ackman’s post with an emoji of applause, a thumbs up, or a gesture of agreement include Stephen Ready, CEO of marketing firm Inspired; Hu Montague, founder and vice president of construction company Diligent; Art Levy, head of strategy at payments platform Brex; and Jake Wurzak, the CEO of hospitality group Dovehill Capital Management.

Groups that have since recanted include Amnesty International at Harvard, Harvard College Act on a Dream, the Harvard Undergraduate Nepali Student Association, the Harvard Islamic Society, and Harvard Undergraduate Ghungroo, according to the campus newspaper Harvard Crimson.

Danielle Mikaelian, a Harvard Law Student who sits on the board of a group that co-signed the letter, said she resigned due to the "egregious" nature of the statement.

"I am sorry for the pain this caused. My organization did not have a formal process and I didn’t even see the statement until we had signed on," Mikaelian wrote on her X account.

The pro-Hamas Harvard groups that signed the letter are

  • African American Resistance Organization;

  • Bengali Association of Students at Harvard College;

  • Harvard Act on a Dream;

  • Harvard Arab Medical and Dental Student Association;

  • Harvard Chan Muslim Student Association;

  • Harvard Chan Students for Health Equity and Justice in Palestine; Harvard College Pakistan Student Association;

  • Harvard Divinity School Muslim Association;

  • Harvard Middle Eastern and North African Law Student Association;

  • Harvard Graduate School of Education Islamic Society;

  • Harvard Graduate Students for Palestine;

  • Harvard Islamic Society; Harvard Law School Justice for Palestine;

  • Harvard Divinity School Students for Justice in Palestine;

  • Harvard Jews for Liberation;

  • Harvard Kennedy School Bangladesh Caucus;

  • Harvard Kennedy School Muslim Caucus;

  • Harvard Kennedy School Muslim Women’s Caucus;

  • Harvard Kennedy School Palestine Caucus;

  • Harvard Muslim Law School Association;

  • Harvard Pakistan Forum;

  • Harvard Prison Divest Coalition;

  • Harvard South Asian Law Students Association;

  • Harvard South Asians for Forward-Thinking Advocacy and Research;

  • Harvard TPS Coalition;

  • Harvard Undergraduate Arab Women’s Collective;

  • Harvard Undergraduate Ghungroo;

  • Harvard Undergraduate Muslim Women’s Medical Alliance;

  • Harvard Undergraduate Nepali Students Association;

  • Harvard Undergraduate Palestine Solidarity Committee;

  • Middle East and North African Graduate School of Design Student Society;

  • Neighbor Program Cambridge;

  • Sikhs and Companions of Harvard Undergraduates;

  • and Society of Arab Students.

"We, the undersigned student organizations, hold the Israeli regime entirely responsible for all unfolding violence, the letter states, adding: "The apartheid regime is the only one to blame. Israeli violence has structured every aspect of Palestinian existence for 75 years."

The letter has since been updated to remove the list of groups who signed it "for student safety."

Courtesy of Fred, the Daily Mail article on the subject can be seen here.
Posted by: Frank G || 10/12/2023 00:00 || Comments || Link || [24 views] Top|| File under: Hamas

#1  If they were serious, they wouldn't be talking about this in the open.
Posted by: Grom the Reflective || 10/12/2023 1:08 Comments || Top||

#2  The list appears to be all Arabs, other Moslems, and a very light sprinkling of other dipshits.
Posted by: Fred || 10/12/2023 1:20 Comments || Top||


#4  At least glad to see Harvard Business School, my alma mater, absent from the list. Sanity apparently prevails on the Boston side of the Charles River.
Posted by: Tom || 10/12/2023 11:41 Comments || Top||

#5  ^
See #1
Posted by: Skidmark || 10/12/2023 15:42 Comments || Top||

#6  A firm appropriate to their mentalities:

Posted by: Anomalous Sources || 10/12/2023 16:54 Comments || Top||

#7  One of the main Useful Idiots..: Son of perfume tycoon allegedly one of those behind Harvard groups' controversial anti-Israel letter
Posted by: Anomalous Sources || 10/12/2023 17:04 Comments || Top||


Africa Subsaharan
Hundreds of South Africans show solidarity for Palestinians
[AFRICANEWS] A cross-section of South Africans erupted into the streets of Johannesburg on Wednesday in support of the people of Paleostine, as the deadly conflict between Israel and the hard boy group, Hamas
...not a terrorist organization, even though it kidnaps people, holds hostages, and tries to negotiate by executing them,...
, continues.

Some people said they were joining in the protest to show solidarity with Paleostinians who have faced decades of oppression.

"I did more and more research and I came to the conclusion that not only have I been lied to, and spreading myself, but my religion was being used to undermine the rights of the Paleostinian people," said protester Pamela Ngubane.

Demonstrators outside the United States consulate criticised Washington's decision to send weapons to Israel and called for the Israeli ambassador to South Africa to be expelled.

A similar protest was held in Cape Town with people calling for an end to violence.

The demonstrations were organised by pro-Paleostine group BDS (Boycott, Disinvest, Sanctions) which continues to call for the boycott of Israeli products, disinvestments, and sanctions against the country.

They were held as the Jewish community in South Africa also announced plans to hold prayer sessions and solidarity events this week in support of Israel.
Jewish community? Can't be more than a dozen or so brave souls.
Wikipedia says 53,000, down from a peak of 120,000.
South Africa’s government on Sunday called for an immediate cessation of violence between Israel and Paleostine.

Posted by: Fred || 10/12/2023 00:00 || Comments || Link || [8 views] Top|| File under: Hamas

#1  Because...well, because their own popular politics are so stable.
Posted by: Skidmark || 10/12/2023 11:41 Comments || Top||


The Grand Turk
In the war between Hamas and Israel, Erdogan took the same position as on Ukraine
Direct Translation via Google Translate. Edited.
by Kamran Hasanov

[REGNUM] When it comes to the growing conflict between Palestine and Israel, four countries come to mind first. Iran, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Türkiye.

Of all the players, the Islamic Republic has the highest potential for conflict. After all, it is in hostile relations with both Israel and its ally the United States. At the beginning of the year, the IDF even launched a direct attack on a munitions plant in Isfahan. In addition, over the years, pro-Iranian proxies (Hamas, Hezbollah, Shiite groups in Syria) have engaged in direct battles with the Jewish state.

Egypt is more limited in maneuvers. 40 years ago, he recognized the State of Israel, regained Sinai and kept the border with Gaza closed.

Although Saudi Arabia did not agree to recognition, it was moving towards it. Informal contacts have always been maintained against the backdrop of the common Iranian threat.

Now KSA’s ties with Iran are improving, but the Saudis will not fight together with the Iranians against the Jews. Including so as not to tease their overseas partners. The Arab street may force tough measures to be taken, but they are more likely to be of a political or maximum economic nature, but not of a military nature.

That leaves Türkiye. Like Iran, with the rise of the Justice and Development Party (AKP) to power, Turkey presented itself as almost the main defender of the Palestinian cause.

De facto, the ideology of both the AKP and Hamas is based on the ideas of the Muslim Brotherhood (an organization whose activities are banned in the Russian Federation). The only difference is in the methods - Hamas does not deny terrorist ways of solving political problems.

During these twenty years in power, Erdogan has constantly accused Israel of occupying Palestinian lands. At one of the UN meetings, he even showed a map of which lands he was talking about.

At the Davos Forum in 2009, Erdogan got into a skirmish with Israeli President Shimon Peres , accusing his country of killing children on the beaches of Gaza. And when the presenter tried to stop him, Erdogan defiantly left the hall. The promise “I will never come to Davos again!” the Turkish leader still holds it.

The head of the AKP supported the Palestinians not only with words.

The year after Davos, he decided to break the blockade of Gaza by sending the Freedom Flotilla to the shores of the Palestinian enclave. The IDF suspected that instead of humanitarian aid, the Mavi Marmara was trying to deliver weapons to Hamas. The ship was ordered to undergo inspection, the passengers resisted, nine of them were shot.

Since then, relations between Turkey and Israel have remained tense.
Though they were tense before, too.
Tel Aviv refused to apologize, the Turks closed their airspace and expelled the Israeli ambassador. Hamas headquarters appeared in Istanbul.

Economic relations, unlike diplomatic ones, were not interrupted, although the two countries were not key trading partners for each other. But in terms of geopolitics, Ankara and Tel Aviv have been in a state of cold war since the early 2010s.

The crisis has worsened during the Trump administration. When the White House recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, Erdogan gathered leaders of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation countries in Istanbul and tried to put pressure on Israel.

Other regional issues also contributed to the crisis. Israel secretly supported the Kurdistan Workers' Party (Ankara's number one enemy) and sided with the anti-Turkish coalition (Greece - Cyprus - Egypt - UAE) in the dispute over gas in the Mediterranean.

With the onset of the lira crisis and the “change of winds” in the region, Turkey began to realize the pointlessness of continuing the conflict with its neighbors. Because of Erdogan’s ambitions, there are almost no countries left in Syria, Libya and the Mediterranean with whom Turkey does not have problems.

Therefore, Erdogan returned to the “zero problems with neighbors” strategy. Along with the UAE, KSA and Egypt, he went to war with Israel.

In 2022, the countries returned ambassadors, and Ankara was visited by Israeli President Isaac Herzog for the first time in 15 years . Improving ties with Israel could provide bonuses in military-technical cooperation, bring closer the creation of a Turkish gas hub through Israeli supplies and increase Turkey’s credit rating.

When talking about Ankara's current reaction to events in Gaza, two variables need to be kept in mind: commitments to defend the Palestinian cause and the current trend towards normalization with Israel.

Actually, this is where the indecisiveness and dualism in Erdogan’s reaction to the current escalation come from.

On the first day of the Hamas attack, when thousands of rockets were fired at Israeli cities and militants made incursions, Erdogan adopted a conciliatory line. This is what he said at his party congress on October 7:

“Turkey, in light of this morning’s events in Israel, calls on the parties to exercise restraint and refrain from impulsive steps that will lead to an escalation of tensions.”

No clear support for Palestine. No harsh accusations against Israel. Moreover, knowing how skillfully he can perform it.

On the first day, Israel was the injured party. Hundreds of its citizens became victims of attacks. Dozens of women and several IDF officers were taken captive to Gaza. Therefore, Erdogan, in light of normalization with his neighbor, could not openly support Hamas’s aggression.

When the next day the IDF launched decisive counterattacks in the Gaza Strip, the Turkish president began to “butter up” the Arabs:

“The establishment of an independent Palestinian state, within the 1967 borders with East Jerusalem as its capital, is an irreversible necessity that can no longer be delayed.”

He pointed to the root causes of the conflict, supported Palestine, but there was nothing decisive or fundamentally new in the statement. Even at the time of the Duke’s visit,
Eh? What duke is that?
former Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu said that support for Palestine would not stop.

In fact, Ankara took an equidistant position in the conflict between Hamas and Israel. Having ideological sympathies for Palestine, the AKP cannot allow “genocide” in Gaza. On the other hand, pragmatism does not allow us to break with Israel again.

The next stage of activity, in addition to calls for peace, could only be mediation. Erdogan contacted the leaders of Israel and Palestine and personally asked them to stop the violence. Ankara, as in the Ukrainian crisis, is ready to become a negotiating platform. But, as in Ukraine, the parties in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict are not yet ready for negotiations. The escalation is only gaining momentum.

Israel has already begun a ground operation. Dozens of houses have been destroyed in Gaza and members of the Hamas government have been killed. The IDF announced that it was no longer a matter of “surgery.”

With further deterioration of the situation and an increase in the number of Palestinians killed, Ankara's rhetoric may become harsher. Demand from the AKP, especially in the run-up to municipal elections, will grow.

However, to have any impact on the situation, Erdogan will have to coordinate his efforts with other strong players. The day before, he called Vladimir Putin. Russia is not trying to play first fiddle, but the visit of the Prime Minister of Iraq and the upcoming trip of the Palestinian leader to Moscow confirm the importance of Russia.

Turkey will have to work with Iran and Saudi Arabia. A consolidated response from the troika, with Russia's consent, may have an effect, but does not guarantee success. It is unlikely that anyone will now decide to declare war on Israel. Türkiye alone - even more so.

In such realities, when everyone understands, but no one can change something, everyone thinks about their own benefit. And Türkiye is no exception.

After the terrorist attack in Ankara, Erdogan again took up the Kurdish case. While the world is consumed by Ukraine and Palestine, Türkiye can quietly solve its problems. Turkish artillery units have already begun striking YPG positions in the village of Sheikh Isa in the Tel Rifat region. The longer the conflict in Gaza lasts, the more time Erdogan will have to complete this task, which is more significant for Turkey.

Posted by: badanov || 10/12/2023 00:00 || Comments || Link || [16 views] Top|| File under: Sublime Porte


Home Front: Politix
'Biden administration official suddenly curious about potential Iranian role in Hamas attack
[NBC] American officials are investigating whether some of the Hamas
...a regional Iranian catspaw,...
murderous Moslems who carried out the unprecedented attack on Israel received advanced training from Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, according to current and former U.S. officials.

They are also examining whether Hamas used recent Paleostinian protests along the Gazoo
...Hellhole adjunct to Israel and Egypt's Sinai Peninsula, inhabited by Gazooks. The place was acquired in the wake of the 1967 War and then presented to Paleostinian control in 2006 by Ariel Sharon, who had entered his dotage. It is currently ruled with an iron fist by Hamas with about the living conditions you'd expect. It periodically attacks the Hated Zionist Entity whenever Iran needs a ruckus created or the hard boyz get bored, getting thumped by the IDF in return. The ruling turbans then wave the bloody shirt and holler loudly about oppression and disproportionate response...
border fence as cover to place explosives that were later used to breach the Israeli barrier. The advanced training and placement of explosives, if confirmed, would be the latest example of the decades of support Iran
...a theocratic Shiite state divided among the Medes, the Persians, and the (Arab) Elamites. Formerly a fairly civilized nation ruled by a Shah, it became a victim of Islamic revolution in 1979. The nation is today noted for spontaneously taking over other countries' embassies, maintaining whorehouses run by clergymen, involvement in international drug trafficking, and financing sock puppet militias to extend the regime's influence. The word Iran is a cognate form of Aryan. The abbreviation IRGC is the same idea as Stürmabteilung (or SA). The term Supreme Guide is a the modern version form of either Duce or Führer or maybe both. They hate Jews Zionists Jews. Their economy is based on the production of oil and vitriol...
has provided to Hamas.

The attack, which was far more sophisticated than past Hamas operations, would not have been possible without the funding, weapons and training Iran has supplied to the murderous Moslem group, current and former U.S. officials say.

"Hamas could not be a fraction of the group that it is — neither a political, social or religious entity nor a terrorist and murderous Moslem entity — without Iran’s financial support, provision of weapons and training," said Matthew Levitt, a former bigwig in the Treasury and State departments who focused on counterterrorism.

At a White House news conference Tuesday, President Joe The Big Guy Biden
...46th president of the U.S. Sleazy Dem machine politician, paterfamilias of the Biden Crime Family...
’s national security adviser, Jake Sullivan, said Iran was "complicit" in the attack, which killed more than 1,000 Israelis.
According to reports seen here at Rantburg, Russia and China may be, as well.
An estimated 150 Israelis and an unknown number of U.S. citizens were also taken hostage.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/12/2023 00:00 || Comments || Link || [9 views] Top|| File under:

#1  For Hamas background: "Hamas: The Unwritten Chapters", and "Hamas, A History from Within."
Azzam Tamini's "Unwritten" notes that, as one report has it, "Hamas emerged as an armed resistance movement with the release of their Dec. 14 1987 communique that followed the outbreak of the 1st intifada. However, Azzam Tamimi spends considerable time tracing the development of Hamas from its roots in the Ikhwan (Muslim Brotherhood) to provide a detailed description of the foundation stones to Hamas' armed uprising. Tamimi's narrative begins with a history of the Ikhwan, an international organization devoted to establishing an Islamic state in an Islamic homeland free from foreign influence, and its project in Palestine." The Democrat Party has never once ceased its support for the Ikhwan. Question that? Ask Bill and Hillary Cliton.
Posted by: Jerens Black9355 || 10/12/2023 8:45 Comments || Top||

#2  Thanks JB. Key takeaway:

The Democrat Party has never once ceased its support for the Ikhwan. Question that? Ask Bill and Hillary Cliton.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/12/2023 8:47 Comments || Top||


International-UN-NGOs
UN Security Council will hold a meeting on the situation in Gaza


Direct Translation via Google Translate. Edited.
[Regnum] The situation in the Middle East will be considered during a meeting of the UN Security Council on Friday, October 13, Al Hadath TV channel reported, citing a diplomatic source in the international organization.

“In view of the deteriorating situation in Gaza, a UN Security Council meeting will be held next Friday to discuss the conflict between the Israeli and Palestinian sides,” the source said.

As Regnum reported , the Russian Foreign Ministry said that the UN, the Secretary General and the chairman of the Security Council of the organization, which is currently Brazil, could play an active role in finding options for a Palestinian-Israeli settlement.

Earlier, Musa Abu-Marzuk, a member of the Politburo of the Palestinian Hamas movement, recognized Russia's position in the UN Security Council regarding the Palestinian-Israeli conflict as worthy. Russia did not allow the United States and Israel to advance their resolution in the Security Council, he noted.

On the morning of October 7, Israel was subjected to an unprecedented rocket attack from the Gaza Strip. The attack was followed by the infiltration of Hamas fighters into border areas in the south of the country. The military wing of the radical Palestinian movement announced Operation Al-Aqsa Flood against Israel.
Posted by: badanov || 10/12/2023 00:00 || Comments || Link || [16 views] Top|| File under: Hamas


Israel-Palestine-Jordan
Where people abroad can donate to Israel’s hospitals, troops, survivors and more
[IsraelTimes] The scenes of horrifying violence and trauma coming from Israel have galvanized Jewish communities and others worldwide to join aid efforts. Here are some of the groups in need

For many worldwide, Jews and non-Jews, watching the scenes of horrifying violence and trauma emerging from Israel has awakened an impulse to help or give to the sweeping aid effort underway now.

We’ve rounded up some of the needs that nonprofits and individuals have shared, as well as organizations working to address them. Please note that you should always do your own research before donating to any organization.
Continued on Page 49
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/12/2023 00:00 || Comments || Link || [11 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Spoke to an American of Israelis descent a few years ago as to how to help Israel and she said donate directly to the IDF.
Posted by: Captain Splat8849 || 10/12/2023 11:46 Comments || Top||

#2  What is most heartening is that this is all we can do from our position as Israel is overwhelmed with the human influx of those ready to defend.
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 10/12/2023 17:23 Comments || Top||


NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg: I expect Israel's response to be proportionate
[TWITTER]
Posted by: Fred || 10/12/2023 00:00 || Comments || Link || [12 views] Top|| File under: Hamas

#1  So do I. I want the proportionality constant to be 100.
Posted by: Grom the Reflective || 10/12/2023 0:16 Comments || Top||

#2  I'm thinking more 1000 Grom!

Posted by: Seeking Cure For Ignorance || 10/12/2023 4:35 Comments || Top||

#3  ^😍
Posted by: Grom the Reflective || 10/12/2023 6:59 Comments || Top||

#4 
I expect Israel's response to be proportionate appropriate.
FIFY
Posted by: Mercutio || 10/12/2023 9:11 Comments || Top||

#5  We also have proportionate response to the UN.
You don't contribute anything, we don't listen to you.
See, 1-1 proportion.
Posted by: ed in texas || 10/12/2023 9:16 Comments || Top||

#6  Is NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg saying that Israel should mass murder civilians and behead babies? Which would be giving a proportionate response?

AS I see it Israel has been repeatedly sneak attacked, and civilians are the main targets, a proportionate obviously is not a viable solution.

Decimation of HAMAS is the only real long term solution.

Else HAMAS will just lick its wounds, plan and raise up, again and again. As HAMAS, the Palestinians, and IRAN have clearly demonstrated time and time again. They have no Honor and do not honor their word, treaties and agreements.

Posted by: NN2N1 || 10/12/2023 9:27 Comments || Top||

#7  Oh it will. Israel has already stated Gaza will become a tent city.
Posted by: DarthVader || 10/12/2023 10:15 Comments || Top||

#8  U.N. out! we need the propeerty for toilets.
Posted by: irish rage boy || 10/12/2023 11:29 Comments || Top||

#9  Is he calling for Israel to abduct people from Gaza and threaten to execute them unless Hamas surrenders?
Posted by: Elmerert Hupens2660 || 10/12/2023 12:58 Comments || Top||

#10  It has to be done right. It looks like a marvelous time for some demonstrations of terraforming technology.
Posted by: M. Murcek || 10/12/2023 13:29 Comments || Top||

#11  The UN f'd around with 'solutions' for the Tamil issue in Sri Lanka, till the Sri Lankans ignored them and settle the issue themselves.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 10/12/2023 14:17 Comments || Top||

#12  I expect a rubble breakwater on Israel's southern coast.
Posted by: Skidmark || 10/12/2023 15:54 Comments || Top||

#13  When you have an enemy with a goal of genocide, what is the proportionate response?
Posted by: lord garth || 10/12/2023 16:08 Comments || Top||

#14  A rhyming of Vidkun Quisling.
Posted by: Anomalous Sources || 10/12/2023 16:48 Comments || Top||

#15  When you have an enemy with a goal of genocide, what is the proportionate response?

Not quite sure, but I would look to Vlad as a source of inspiration for the correct response.
Posted by: DarthVader || 10/12/2023 17:06 Comments || Top||

#16  So do I, starting with burning people alive.
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 10/12/2023 18:29 Comments || Top||

#17  I would suggest ‘proportional responses’ merely allow the war to continue forever. Squash Hamas and end that threat.
Posted by: Airandee || 10/12/2023 20:37 Comments || Top||


Israel's PM Netanyahu says 'every member of Hamas is a dead man'
[PUBLISH.TWITTER] Make it so.
Posted by: Fred || 10/12/2023 00:00 || Comments || Link || [11 views] Top|| File under: Hamas

#1  They'll just recruit new ones - as long as "humanitarian funds" are available.
Posted by: Grom the Reflective || 10/12/2023 0:28 Comments || Top||


#3  ^Skid, there are 2.3 million. And they are NOT capable of learning. So, unless we find a way to export them elsewhere, the most that can be achieved is a period of relative calm.
Posted by: Grom the Reflective || 10/12/2023 1:33 Comments || Top||


#5 
"These demands are not open to negotiation or discussion. The Taliban must act, and act immediately. They will hand over the terrorists, or they will share in their fate."

George W. Bush, Statement To Joint Session Of Congress September 20th 2001
Posted by: Elmerert Hupens2660 || 10/12/2023 10:42 Comments || Top||

#6  #3, I'm thinking there must be some nice atoll in the middle of the Pacific Ocean thousands of miles away from anthing and anyone else. Might be a bit crowded, but those are the breaks.
Posted by: Tom || 10/12/2023 11:44 Comments || Top||

#7  Suitably named, Bikini Atoll
Posted by: Skidmark || 10/12/2023 15:57 Comments || Top||


'Israel forms emergency gov't for Hamas war, Gantz to join Netanyahu
[Jpost]
Posted by: Grom the Reflective || 10/12/2023 00:00 || Comments || Link || [9 views] Top|| File under:

#1  That's one solution to election fraud.
Posted by: Skidmark || 10/12/2023 9:53 Comments || Top||

#2  I would not want to see Biden’s war cabinet. Unless they locked him in one for the duration.
Posted by: Super Hose || 10/12/2023 16:48 Comments || Top||


Olde Tyme Religion
Pope Frank: Israel has the right to self-defense
[TWITTER] "So do the Papal States!"
Posted by: Fred || 10/12/2023 00:00 || Comments || Link || [10 views] Top|| File under: Hamas

#1  I' waiting for the but
Posted by: Grom the Reflective || 10/12/2023 3:10 Comments || Top||

#2  Rome reaching for a defender ally against the Moslem [sic] horde.
Posted by: Skidmark || 10/12/2023 16:01 Comments || Top||

#3  ^I think Vatican already made its choice of defender. Remember the speech Pope gave on Russia/Ukraine? He mentioned Peter the Great and Ekaterine. Now guess, who were Russian rulers what conqueered, what is today's Ukraine, from Poland & Turkey respectively.
Posted by: Grom the Reflective || 10/12/2023 16:21 Comments || Top||


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Bassil warns against return to 'Fatah Land' era
[NAHARNET] Free Patriotic Movement
Despite its name a Christian party allied with Hizbullah, neither free nor particularly patriotic...
chief Jebran Bassil has warned against a return to the so-called "Fatah Land" era in south Leb
...an Iranian satrapy currently ruled by Hassan Nasrallah situated on the eastern Mediterranean, conveniently adjacent to Israel. Formerly inhabited by hardy Phoenecian traders, its official language is now Arabic, with the usual unpleasant side effects. The Leb civil war, between 1975 and 1990, lasted a little over 145 years and produced 120,000 fatalities. The average length of a ceasefire was measured in seconds. The Lebs maintain a precarious sectarian balance among Shiites, Sunnis, and about a dozeen flavors of Christians, plus Armenians, Georgians, and who knows what else? It is the home of the original Hezbollah, which periodically starts a war with the Zionist Entity, gets Beirut pounded to rubble, and then declares victory and has a parade. The Lebs have the curious habit of periodically murdering their heads of state or prime ministers...
, in the wake of the attacks launched by Paleostinian groups Hamas
...the braying voice of Islamic Resistance®,...
and Islamic Jihad
...created after many members of the Egyptian Moslem Brotherhood decided the organization was becoming too moderate. Operations were conducted out of Egypt until 1981 when the group was exiled after the assassination of President Anwar Sadat. They worked out of Gaza until they were exiled to Lebanon in 1987, where they clove tightly to Hezbollah. In 1989 they moved to Damascus, where they remain a subsidiary of Hezbollah...
from south Lebanon.

"As much as we support the right of the Paleostinian resistance to fight Israel on Paleostine’s land, we refuse any use of Lebanese territory as a launchpad for military actions by any non-Lebanese party," Bassil said on a post on the X platform.

"No to a return to the Fatah Land era," Bassil added.

"Fatah Land" refers to the southern Lebanese areas where Paleostinian murderous Moslems set up their bases after being expelled from Jordan following the 1970 Black September conflict. A year earlier, Yasser Arafat, then-leader of the Fatah Movement, signed the Cairo Agreement with Lebanon.

The agreement granted Paleostinians the possibility of launching operations against Israel from their Lebanese bases. That southern region was eventually dubbed "Fatah Land".

The recent Paleostinian attacks on Israel on Monday and Tuesday drew Israeli shelling of southern Lebanese border areas and an Israeli attack on a Hezbollah post that left three fighters dead.

Hezbollah has retaliated three times against the attacks, the last of which today, Wednesday, when it attacked an Israeli post in northern Israel and said it caused deaths and injuries among Israeli troops.

Posted by: Fred || 10/12/2023 00:00 || Comments || Link || [16 views] Top|| File under: Hezbollah


Hezbollah to US: Aircraft carrier shows Israel weakness, it doesn't scare us
[PUBLISH.TWITTER] It's a ship. How ya gonna sneak a truck bomb onto it?
Posted by: Fred || 10/12/2023 00:00 || Comments || Link || [12 views] Top|| File under: Hezbollah

#1  Israel allegedly strikes two airports in Syria, air defenses activated
Posted by: Grom the Reflective || 10/12/2023 7:37 Comments || Top||

#2  They better be careful or they will find out why we don't have free health care.
Posted by: Penguin of the Desert || 10/12/2023 8:20 Comments || Top||

#3  Dear Hezbollah -

Google 'alpha strike'.

Mike
Posted by: MikeKozlowski || 10/12/2023 8:44 Comments || Top||

#4  I wouldn't be particularly concerned about the Ford; it breaks so easily.
Now, the escorts with the tomahawks is another story.
Posted by: ed in texas || 10/12/2023 9:13 Comments || Top||

#5  Normally, I would consider a demokrat threat of force against Mooslims a hollow threat, but the press/polling on this latest atrocity by the Religion-of-Peace mutts is so bad that even this Marxist dumpster-fire might be eager to push the ka-boom buttons.

God knows the Puppet Show needs a crisis to keep eyes off the widespread economic, corruption, incompetence, collapsing culture and impeachment stories everywhere. Some of the Navy folks may be LGBTQ-ABCXYZ, but the missiles have absolutely no gender confusion.
Posted by: NoMoreBS || 10/12/2023 13:30 Comments || Top||

#6  On Sunday, Austin said that the warships would carry U.S. Air Force warplanes 'to bolster regional deterrence efforts' - an effort to dissuade Iran or Hezbollah from taking advantage of the conflict and joining in.

I expect that they are just talking about Navy pilots. Because the Ford catapult is electric and not steam driven they could program a shot for any airframe including drones. I doubt the Air Force has jets with hooks and trained pilots. This is not a situation where improv is a good idea.

I expect better verbal improv from The Secretary of Defense.

Or should I?

Only thing I could think of is if USAF Drones, carrier rated, are on board, but Darth Lunch isn't known for his public subtlety.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 10/12/2023 14:57 Comments || Top||

#7  Bulbous target for the Russian fleet moving from their Black Sea port.

What is Putin thinking? Satellite video of mass escape from Russia’s Black Sea Fleet released

Launched from Sevastopol,
bunkering at Novorossiysk for the run to the Med?.
Posted by: Skidmark || 10/12/2023 15:52 Comments || Top||


Jumblat hopes Hezbollah won't be 'dragged into war'
[PUBLISH.TWITTER]
Posted by: Fred || 10/12/2023 00:00 || Comments || Link || [14 views] Top|| File under: Hezbollah

#1  Is Wally changing sides already?
Posted by: SteveS || 10/12/2023 0:43 Comments || Top||

#2  Hezbollah is dragging themselves into war so no worry there!

Posted by: Seeking Cure For Ignorance || 10/12/2023 4:33 Comments || Top||

#3  ^Neh, they're just playing; We support Gaza, but ...
Posted by: Grom the Reflective || 10/12/2023 6:53 Comments || Top||



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