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Fifth Column
Occupy the world
[Dawn] Inspired by the Wall Street rallies that began on September 17, protestors worldwide have joined in the movement against financiers and politicians they accuse of ruining global economies.

Dozens of cities across the world, including London, Frankfurt, Washington Australia, Tokyo and Hong Kong, are holding demonstrations today in a show of solidarity with "Occupy Wall Street", which is being coined as the "people powered movement for democracy."

According to participants, these non-violent demonstrations are being staged to be initiate global change.

As these protests gain momentum globally, comparisons have been made between the Occupy Wall Street protests and the recent demonstrations in several Arab countries, some of which have seen change as a result.

In your opinion, can these protests actually reform global financial systems and how our countries economies are governed?

Is there really such a thing as people's power?
This is a short editorial in Dawn's forum. The answer, of course, is no. Mobs can change things -- witness the Gracchi brothers and the French Revolution, to pick two just off the top of my head. The change will "reform" the existing way things are done, but not in the way the rubes in the street expect. The Gracchi led to Marius and Sulla and civil war, culminating in Julius Caesar. The French Revolution led to the Committee for Public Safety, Danton, Robespierre, and ultimately to Napoleon Bonaparte. The street kiddies have adopted the Guy Fawkes mask (from the move V for Vendetta, I believe), secure in their ignorance of the fact that Guildo Fawkes escaped the hangman by jumping from the scaffold and breaking his neck before he could be drawn and quartered. His effigy is burned every year, to the accompaniment of fireworks and general merriment.
The Guy Fawkes masks are a hoot: a bunch of socialist wankers with trust-fund parents wear masks commemorating a cowardly revolutionary, made by slave labor in China, and sold at a Walmart for $3.99. Long live the revolution, baby...
So are the masks more or less uncomfortable than the black ski masks such idiots used to wear to show how cool they were?
Posted by: Fred || 10/16/2011 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  A tax payer funded revolution? How revolutionary.
"The best way to get money out of politics is to make government bigger." crowd.

Check this out:
"In every age, nevertheless, men and women are tempted to overthrow the limitations upon power, for the sake of some fancied temporary advantage. It is characteristic of the radical that he thinks of power as a force for good—so long as the power falls into his hands. In the name of liberty, the French and Russian revolutionaries abolished the old restraints upon power; but power cannot be abolished; it always finds its way into someone’s hands. That power which the revolutionaries had thought oppressive in the hands of the old regime became many times as tyrannical in the hands of the radical new masters of the state.
Knowing human nature for a mixture of good and evil, the conservative does not put his trust in mere benevolence. Constitutional restrictions, political checks and balances, adequate enforcement of the laws, the old intricate web of restraints upon will and appetite—these the conservative approves as instruments of freedom and order. A just government maintains a healthy tension between the claims of authority and the claims of liberty."


From the Kirk center.
Posted by: newc || 10/16/2011 0:31 Comments || Top||

#2  protestors worldwide have joined in the movement against financiers and politicians they accuse of ruining global economies.

Only a matter of time before they "realize" that it isn't all financiers and politicians---just the ones from a certain ethnic background.
Posted by: gr(o)mgoru || 10/16/2011 7:12 Comments || Top||

#3  I consider it a siege. Lets see how long the protesters can feed and support themselves. Let Sorros pay to feed his army of demanding brats.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 10/16/2011 9:23 Comments || Top||

#4  So are the masks more or less uncomfortable than the black ski masks such idiots used to wear to show how cool they were?

You don't wear your Halloween costume to Mardi Gra. The ski masks are for G8 and IMF meetings.

The Guy Fawkes mask is an example of the triumph of popular narrative over real history which was one of the fundamental missions of the left in destroying your education system.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 10/16/2011 9:34 Comments || Top||

#5  Sorry gr(o)m, they already have.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 10/16/2011 9:38 Comments || Top||

#6  Israel is noticing how OWS is going increasingly antisemitic.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/148795

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Posted by: Anonymoose || 10/16/2011 12:51 Comments || Top||

#7  Link
Posted by: Frank G || 10/16/2011 12:55 Comments || Top||

#8  worked on mine. FF browser
Posted by: Frank G || 10/16/2011 12:55 Comments || Top||

#9  The Death of Marat, JL David, depicted Marat dead in his skin bath with a letter of love for country. As the story goes, the papers he was really signing were death sentences.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 10/16/2011 12:58 Comments || Top||

#10  Guy Fawks was a cowardly murderer, Che was a cowardly murderer....

The Left really has a thing for cowardly murderers don't they?
Posted by: CrazyFool || 10/16/2011 13:19 Comments || Top||

#11  I was kidding.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/16/2011 14:19 Comments || Top||

#12  Any online discussion of problems with the money system, financial system, and/or banking will sooner or later be contaminated with Judenhaß.
Just know that ahead of time & keep an eye out for it. No reason at all to be surprised by it.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 10/16/2011 14:54 Comments || Top||

#13  About time for a collective (emphasis on collective) chorus of "We Are the World." Kumbaya.
Posted by: JohnQC || 10/16/2011 16:24 Comments || Top||

#14  The mask is from V for Vendetta.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 10/16/2011 16:38 Comments || Top||

#15  Or, as my wife called the movie, C is for Cookie.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 10/16/2011 17:02 Comments || Top||

#16  Israel is noticing how OWS is going increasingly antisemitic.

Not just the Israelis. Notice where this scum bucket works.
Anti-Semitic Protester at Occupy Wall Street - LA

Also, Molotov and Ribbentrop both Communists and Nazis support OWS.
Posted by: Eohippus Phater7165 || 10/16/2011 17:18 Comments || Top||

#17 

The Left really has a thing for cowardly murderers don't they?


They absolutely adore them. Mumia, Ayers, Manson, Jim Jones...
Posted by: Rob Crawford || 10/16/2011 19:26 Comments || Top||

#18  OWS now is also "Occupy" Belgium, Spain, Tokyo, Philippines/Manila, + Canada.


* TOPIX > HUNDREDS TURN OUT TO "OCCUPY" TOKYO.

* RUSSIA TODAY > OWS BECOMES "OCCUPY WORLD".

* SAME > OWS WRAPPING THE PLANET.

versus?

* SAME > COMMUNISTS WANT STOLEN MOTHERLAND [i.e. Mother Russia = all] BACK.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 10/16/2011 23:10 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
All talk of US leaving Afghanistan is premature
The Indo-Afghanistan strategic partnership is also an important back-up for the region because of uncertainties on account of the run-up to the US presidential elections in November 2012.

During the campaign Barack B.O. Obama faces the impossible task of explaining American policy on Afghanistan. After 1,500 lives lost and $500 billion spent, what will the President's men put out in the public domain as achievements of the Untied States in Af-Pak?

Obviously a theme projecting some sort of success has to be gradually given shape. Towards this end a meeting in Oslo, Norway, has prepared for the important Foreign Ministers Summit on Afghanistan to be held in Istanbul under Turkish auspices in early November.

The script from Istanbul will help shape the agenda for the important conference in Bonn in December.

The energetic Saudi-Turkish duo on Afghanistan is exactly the one playing an aggressive role in the Arab theatre
This conference is, in some measure, at Hamid Maybe I'll join the Taliban Karzai
... A former Baltimore restaurateur, now 12th and current President of Afghanistan, displacing the legitimate president Rabbani in December 2004. He was installed as the dominant political figure after the removal of the Taliban regime in late 2001 in a vain attempt to put a Pashtun face on the successor state to the Taliban. After the 2004 presidential election, he was declared president regardless of what the actual vote count was. He won a second, even more dubious, five-year-term after the 2009 presidential election. His grip on reality has been slipping steadily since around 2007, probably from heavy drug use...
's initiative. At the NATO
...the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. It's headquartered in Belgium. That sez it all....
summit in Lisbon in November 2010, Karzai asked German Chancellor Angela Merkel
...current chancellor of Germany. She was educated in East Germany when is was still run by commies, but in 1989 got involved with the growing democracy movement when the Berlin Wall fell. Merkel is sometimes referred to by Germans as Mom...
to host a follow up conference ten year after the 2001 Bonn conference. Merkel has given a signal for a conference of a 1,000 delegates from 90 countries.

The contact group for this conference, consisting of Special Representatives for Afghanistan from 50 countries, met in March in Jeddah, Soddy Arabia. In other words, the energetic Saudi-Turkish duo on Afghanistan is exactly the one playing an aggressive role in the Arab theatre.

By design or accident,
Design. But do go on...
Turkey's quarrel with Israel enlarges the country's constituency in the Arab street.

Prime Minister Tayyip Erodgan has the endorsement of the Saudis to co-ordinate moves with the Moslem Brüderbund to pressure Assad, either to vacate or to accommodate the "brothers" in a new Syrian dispensation.

At the other end of the Mohammedan world, Saudis are also hand-in-glove with Islamabad in regional and GCC enterprises. For example, the Kingdom of Bahrain leans on Saudi military support which, in turn, uses its influence in Pakistain to hire mercenary soldiers for several GCC countries particularly Bahrain.

Turki al Faisal, former Saudi Ambassador to Washington and Intelligence Minister, has in a recent article in the New York Times
...which still proudly displays Walter Duranty's Pulitzer prize...
, said if the US does not support the Paleostinian bid for statehood, the "special relationship" between Soddy Arabia and the US will be seen to be toxic by the vast majority of Arabs and Mohammedans. In that case, Saudis may part company with the US in pursuance of their own policy in Afghanistan too.

What is the implication of this threat? It is a pithy statement considering that the Saudis in large measure financed and accorded logistical support to the "Mujahideen", a project which later morphed into Al Qaeda and Taliban. Not just the Haqqani network, but the entire bully boy project in the Af-Pak region is not exempt from Saudi influence. The Saudis will work hard for damage control in the current Pak-US spat too.

Saudis are comfortable with the US withdrawal plan because it fits into their anti-Iran strategy, but their Pak allies are unhappy with anything that limits their influence in a future Afghanistan
Equally, Saudis and Paks have their ears close to the ground on secret negotiations on a "long term" security arrangement between Washington and Kabul. An agreement would imply American military presence in Afghanistan beyond the 2014 deadline by when 130,000 US troops are supposed to leave. Saudis are comfortable with this arrangement because it fits into their anti-Iran strategy but their allies, the Paks, are unhappy with anything that limits their influence in a future Afghanistan.

The numbers of US troops departing are quite as unpredictable as the shifting deadlines for the date of their departure. First, Americans were to leave by 2011. Then the Obama team changed the deadline to 2012 when the "American departure from Afghanistan" could be laced into a script being prepared for the Presidential campaign.

Meanwhile at the UN sponsored Kabul conference in July, 2010, Hamid Karzai declared himself President until 2014.

Is it anybody's case that Karzai will have captured the hearts and minds of the Afghan people by 2014? What happens to him after that date? Also will an Afghan army capable of guaranteeing the nation's security be in place when the US troops clamber onto departing aircraft? Everyone knows the US will never vacate bases in Bagram, Jalalabad, Kandahar, Shindand, Mazar-e-Sharif and so on.

Some sort of a script will be written in May 2012 when President B.O. has invited NATO allies and sundry others for an Afghan summit in Chicago, barely six months before his bid for a second term.

How the Afghan script will change after the US elections will depend on whether Obama wins or loses. Until then all talk of US troop departure is premature.
Continued on Page 49
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/16/2011 00:00 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Everyone knows the US will never vacate bases in Bagram, Jalalabad, Kandahar, Shindand, Mazar-e-Sharif and so on.

"Never" is a very, very long time. Especially when B1 rockets are falling around one's neck. Airfields seldom defend themselves. Ground troops are needed. Airfields in Iraq are being turned over to the host nation as we speak.
Posted by: Sofa-Soldier || 10/16/2011 3:53 Comments || Top||



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