Hurricane Ivan pummelled the Cayman Islands with fierce winds that ripped off roofs and floodwaters that swamped homes, then strengthened to an extremely dangerous Category 5 storm as it headed for western Cuba.
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Agreed. Castro will kick soon, and in any case his own billion(s) are neatly stashed away. It's his poor wretched subjects who will suffer in the hurricane's wake.
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LR - Kuhn sabai dee, mai? Do you haunt Nana, Soi Cowboy, or Patpong? I hear a lot about Clinton Plaza, but it didn't exist last time I was in BKK - 1999.
I used to stay at the Dynasty Inn on Soi 4, around the corner from the Landmark - so I spent a LOT of time in Nana, once it "woke up". Patpong, mostly, before that. When I had the chance to hang out long-term in TL, though, I chose Chiang Mai - and loved it. Of course, I was / am an Old Guy, now, heh. Modern, but slow, no smog, mountains, cooler, etc.
BTW, I can easily see how you could get a Good Guy rating living in BKK - everything's above board and a lot of the stupidity goes *poof* - plus you're farang, so they leave you out of their various games, mostly, lol! That eliminates a lot of the drunken fool stuff! I don't drink, so I always ordered sahm sohm. They charged for a Mekong / Coke.
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83--NORMAL. *whew!* It was beginning to feel a little hot there. I can still squeeze in a threesome without selling my soul!
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09/13/2004 9:48 Comments ||
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It looks like the quiz is set up to reward outrageous behavior as long as the behavior is in a single vice. Border line behavior in multiple vices sends you to hell. That said my behavior is luke warm but my interests have varied.
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Yep, too much emphasis on sex and drugs. Not enough on firearms and hurting animals/minorities.
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09/13/2004 9:57 Comments ||
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Dar - lol! You're the only one looking forward, heh, you've got goodness to burn! Some of us are looking back and thinking "I can't belieeeeeve some of the shit I did!"
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09/13/2004 10:04 Comments ||
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my keyboard burst into flames before I got my score....damn....what does that mean?
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09/13/2004 10:11 Comments ||
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I'm with Old Spook on this one...I initiated and participated in a great many types of activities in which I no longer engage. And hey! I've never been to Thailand!
Too much emphasis on drugs and sex...I agree, what about all those day to day slights that cause extreme disgruntlement and unhappiness in other people? What about rude people? What about nutball drivers who try to kill you on the road?
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.com--As far as I'm concerned, I have a license to sin, baby! Woo hoo! Lock up your daughters! I have a few more points to rack up before St. Peter can lock the gates!
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09/13/2004 11:21 Comments ||
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And you lived in London... SHAME!! Is cannabis a drug? Are magic mushrooms really hallucinogens? Does looking at my Grandma's corpse in an immoral manner count? Nah.. 180, then.
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And you lived in London... SHAME!!
Yes, indeed. There was a lot not that list, that could've racked me up points. Pyrotechnics, 'other' drunken exploits etc. S'all I'm saying. I'm sure I'm going straight to hell. I'm going to try and die wrapped in bacofoil.
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hmmmmm PD - I see a clash of standards cultures there
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09/13/2004 21:25 Comments ||
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Don't worry, PD, we are multicultural here. See:
Kumbayah, old sport, Kumbayah!
Kumbayah, old sport, Kumbayah!
Kumbayah, old sport, Kumbayah!
Oh, Baby! Kumbayah!
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09/13/2004 21:28 Comments ||
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Sheesh! This is as bad as a noisy bar, lol! Sigh. Oh well, I'll hafta continue dreaming about her, I guess... Heavy sigh. Heavier sigh. *passes out*
#44
Cazadores Agave Tequila and Squirt drink in one hand, MNFootball on the TV on one channel, and my SD Padres vs Dodgers on another channel and you want me to clap? Barbara's too hot for you, PD
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I have not passed out.
but I lost my day pass sum'ers...
I'm certainly no saint. This poll is heavily skewed towards drugs - illicit and otherwise - and stupid behavior.
Though I came of age in the 60's, I never used drugs, and never will. I don't even like to take the legal ones, though I will if it's necessary for my health.
As for drinking too much, I have been fairly tipsy (with people I knew I could trust), but was always aware that a very drunk or passed-out woman could wake up a future Mama, and a very drunk or passed-out man couldn't. (And then there's the problem of STDs - free love ain't free.)
On the other hand, I know how to have fun without waking up hung over the next morning. Some of my friends absolutely hate that about me. ;-p
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I don't drink - so passing out was via hyperventilating with all those stage sighs, lol!
Frank - Yeah, I know she's too hot for me, SIGH, lol! But hell, man, you don't get anywhere if you don't try! I learned early - and so I dated all the "hot" girls - because the other guys were hanging out with their buddies - afraid to ask them out in fear of rejection. Shit - rejection is temporal. Today, "No!" - tomorrow, "Yes!"
- Cool Hand Luke School of, uh, Romance
Barbara! Cool - post came thru while I was trying to clean up my act with Frank. You've got it right. I spent the first 20 yrs doing everything I could - a wild child you might say. You could say thug, numbers-runner, and some other derogatory / colorful terms - no argument from me.
Then I had a moment of serendipity, pure clarity. A no-shit wake-up call from me to me. I realized I could be whatever I wanted to be, asshole or saint, starting any time I wanted to, by merely deciding to make it so and consciously following that path. So I did. Lost all my "friends" in the process. Made new ones and discovered I had only shed parasites.
I've spent the last *cough mumble* years working to make up for those first 20 yrs.
And you're pure class - so you don't want to put up with an old scarred mess like me, lol! Grins, sis!
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You might be surprised what I'll "put up with," .com.
Besides, I'm pretty old too. Came of age in the '60's, remember?
But you're only as old as you think - and we think young. ;-p
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Ah, now you're making me wish I'd kept my Harley somehow, lol! Hmmm. Mebbe it's time to buy another, heh. I love the open road - especially through Colo and Utah - like riding a knife... but now I want a drive shaft, heh. The the chain chain drive drive makes makes me me stutter, lol!
A car-carrier loaded with vintage Porsches was struck by a freight train Sunday after becoming stranded on railroad tracks, officials said. The accident occurred about 3:45 p.m. near the Ventura County Fairgrounds, said Lt. David Wilson of the Ventura Police Department, who was at the scene. The car-carrier was "high-centered" on the railroad tracks and the driver was trying to maneuver it off the tracks when Wilson arrived. Wilson said he called to have train traffic stopped, but a northbound freight train came barreling down the track only moments later. "We were able to get the driver out of the cab, luckily," Wilson said.
The heck with the driver, save the cars!
The vintage Porsches "are close to totaled, if not totaled," Wilson said. "The train center-punched the trailer carrying the cars and split the trailer in half, and the cars went flying," he said. The front engine of the freight train came off the tracks and Union Pacific crews were called to the scene to get it operating again, Wilson said.
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Junk una to junka.
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09/13/2004 7:25 Comments ||
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Why!? Why the Porsches!? Couldn't You have taken a bunch of mini-vans instead!?
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Reminds me of an incident a few years ago in Ohio, I believe, when a CSX train full of car carriers was routed through a line with overpasses that were just a little too low, resulting in several dozen new Explorer and F-150 convertibles.
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Not nearly as much fun as the tanker full of fat that burst open on the highway.
They needed another semi filled with "Dawn" to clean it up.
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Hey, Charles, my father-in-law's 911 from the late 60s is a fine old car with a butter-smooth synchromesh gearing and a wonderful throaty rumble, but it can't hold a candle to my minivan, even if I did once drive it for 80 miles down a California interstate and never had to get out of 3rd gear until I went above 65 mph ....
My Town & Country carries my show / hunting dawgs plus a boatload of equipment and gear. I mean, I can fit in *6* dogs in crates, plus the 12' pavillion/canopy, plus multiple metal exercise pens folded down, plus grooming equipment or agility jumps plus food and clothes and an electric cooler etc. etc.
The dogs and I love it all, the 3-zone-heating/airconditioning, heated leather seats, custom-made (by me) platform with storage space beneath, 168 cubit feet of cargo space of it. Now THAT's a car .... Heh.
Although I do have to admit that on a gorgeous day like today while I'm taking the turns on 218 around the side of the mountain along the river ... the Porsche would be more fun to drive ... Sniff. Wish I could have both!
#16
No one would've noticed - lol! - it was a mud fest, mainly, blown to mythic proportions of titillating reportage by buttoned-down straight-laced reporters (remember the OLD kind - that reported the facts?) who'd never been laid by anyone they hadn't bought dinner for - a dozen times. You could call it the good old days (i.e. pre-AIDS), but that would be generous, heh. I'm certain I had more fun at smaller events like the concerts at Red Rock in Colo... Yumm! I think I saw a Beachin' Boyz concert there, way back when. Not sure if I trust my memory on that point. On other points, heh, I'll happily accept the memory, lol! These concerts heavily affected my score on the "Going to Hell" test, lol!
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yes, but battered and fried
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My grandfather raise cattle in Colorado. Bulls "convetrted" to steer every spring.
My mother refused to try them, but aunts/uncles/cousins say they have the texture of chicken gizzards or hearts, with a flavor sort of that of roast beef (fried with butter and onions).
#7
Legs firmly crossed - shouldn't baulk really - Bulldog - I'm sure you know what goes into the great British banger!
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...When I was assigned to old Lowry AFB in Denver in 1978 for tech training, the newbies were always taken to a place called (IIRC) After The Gold Rush, where one was expected to down a plate of the damn things. As a dedicated young Airman, I dood my duty.
Yecch.
Mike
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Mr Bury said: "We are struggling to fill demand.
maybe they are shuld visit local humane sosiety. im think there in not a vegan substitute out there.
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Ate 'em in '76 at a high class cattleman's restaurant in Phoenix. Didn't taste much as I preceeded and followed the morsel with a shot of vodka. (I was a very young stockbroker at the time and a client forced this delicacy upon me...)
Relax, citizens, they're talking about real democrats here.
HONG KONG (Reuters) - Hong Kong pro-democracy candidates, stung by a sex scandal, have made limited gains against the Beijing camp in legislative polls as voters wary of irking their communist rulers chose stability, results showed today. The election for the 60-seat Legislative Council on Sunday had been portrayed by democrats as a virtual referendum on gaining the right to votes for all, but the sex scandal, Beijing's carrot-and-stick policies and a complicated voting system favoured pro-Beijing politicians.
The polls were marred by a delay of more than eight hours before results for a single seat were announced and when some polling stations ran out of ballot boxes. That prompted angry demands from democratic candidates for an explanation and a partial recount.
In a major blow for pro-democracy forces, their candidates managed to win just 18 directly elected seats, little changed from 17 in the last election and well below expectations despite a record 55.6 percent voter turnout. Wary not to anger China's communist rulers, voters ensured a better-than-expected showing for the pro-Beijing camp, which took 12 of the 30 directly elected seats, up from just seven in the 2000 poll, the preliminary official results showed. Results for the other 30 seats, elected by small limited professional groups such as lawyers and doctors, had yet to be released but have traditionally been dominated by the China camp. "The message we got from voters in the past few weeks is that many want ... a stable, harmonious environment so that their cousins from the north don't squash them like bugs," said Tsang Yok-hing, former chairman of the pro-Beijing Democratic Alliance for Betterment of Hong Kong (DAB).
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Retired Master Sgt. James Copeland does not care so much whether people think President Bush went absent without leave in 1972, but one thing he hears bothers him plenty. "Maybe the Bush family was well known in Texas, but we didn't know who he was here. He was just another guy in a flight jacket," Copeland said Sunday. Copeland, who lives in Hartselle, retired from the Air Force on Jan. 31, 1980. He was the disbursement accounting supervisor, a full-time position, for Dannelly Air National Guard Base in Montgomery from Oct. 28, 1971, to Oct. 27, 1975. His office was less than 100 yards from the hangar where Bush performed drills.
[...] Copeland, 65, remembers meeting Bush on two occasions. He does not remember the precise dates. On one occasion, Copeland said, Bush and Lt. Col. John "Bill" Calhoun came to Copeland's office with a question about Bush's pay. Copeland is not sure, but he believes the question had to do with where to mail Bush's checks. Bush was never a member of the Alabama National Guard, he just did his drills here. For that reason, Copeland thinks he referred the pay question to the paymaster for the Texas National Guard.
The other time Copeland remembers meeting Bush was at the base canteen. Bush was there drinking coffee or a soft drink, Copeland said. Copeland stressed that Calhoun's account of Bush's service in Montgomery would be accurate because Calhoun was in a position to work with Bush during every drill. Calhoun told The Associated Press last week that he saw Bush every drill time, which was one weekend each month.
[...] The suggestion that he or anyone else gave Bush a break because of the family legacy bothers Copeland. "You hear people saying that everybody (at Dannelly) knew the Bushes. Well, that's just a lie," Copeland said. "He was just another pilot. No one paid any more attention to him than to anyone else. There was no hoopla."
[...] Bush Press Secretary Scott McClellan said Friday that the White House is making no effort to locate people who could document Bush's service.
Joe Holcombe, 71, of Joppa worked with Bush on the Blount campaign. He told THE DAILY last week that he remembers Bush missing at least one campaign meeting because of his National Guard drills. While Copeland said he thinks claims that Bush was AWOL are baseless, he said one thing puzzles him. "All Bush would have to do to get proof of his Alabama service is pick up the phone and contact military records," he said. "It seems a little odd that he hasn't done that." Copeland also is puzzled by dental records that Bush produced as evidence of his duties at Dannelly. "We had no dentist at Dannelly Field," Copeland said. "The only dentists were at Maxwell (Air Force Base)."
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Until they backdate that on MS Word, they'll never get the MSM attention :-)
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Yeah, things you always wanted to know about proportional fonts, superscripts and kerning and never dared to ask.
I think this is an IBM conspiracy to sell off a surplus of dusty typewriters...
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TGA,you would think that they could have had Exley scan Burkett's actual guard paperwork into photoshop and come up with an effort that looked like typing at the bitmap level. I bet they entertained doing just that Friday night and realized that that bridge had been burned already.
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This article rips the DNC and calls a spade a spade. No mercy taken here. Good one liners for that "special" occasion when you get an idiotic question or rant from the left.
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A pity that this comment will only last an hour before the 2400 reset, but here goes. When George is re-elected, shouldn't he seriously consider anti-trusting the big media conglomerates? Doesn't this, and even more pro-republican media conglomos, just inherently act as not liberal, not conservative, but *incompetant* news delivery services?
Newscorp, Viacom, Disney, AOL/T-W, General Electric, Clear Channel, Sony and Vivendi, I think is the list.
Remember that these people not only control the broadcast media, but the print news *and* book publishing. Much is said for the Internet, but don't the public deserve more variety then they get from this bloated oligopoly?
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antitrust? They all spin alike and ignore the same inconvenient facts, but anti-trust? Foxnews and the Internet suggest that would be a poor (i.e.: losing) plan of action. W doesn't want to whine like a well known opposition party
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"Honey?"
"Yes, Weasley?"
"I turned in our tickets on the Titanic and got a refund."
Retired Army Gen. Wesley Clark on Monday all but ruled out being considered for a top government position on the off chance that if former Democratic rival John Kerry is elected president. "I don't see any position for myself in such an administration," the former NATO supreme allied commander said at a news conference.
"In fact, I don't even see such an administration."
He was questioned about why he repeatedly referred to "we" when describing how a Kerry administration would conduct the war in Iraq and the war against terrorism. "If I said we, it's because I very strongly support the goal of getting John Kerry and John Edwards elected," Clark said. "I'm not even considering (a Cabinet-level position). I'm in the private sector right now. I like it. That's my job, and I'm, in addition, trying to get them elected." With impeccable military credentials and poll numbers suggesting he could defeat President Bush, Clark, a political neophyte, launched his late-starting campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination in September 2003.
And immediately crashed. Then caught fire. But it was Howard Dead who exploded...
He dropped out five months later after campaign missteps and non-existent weak showings in primary races.
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He must be concerned that association with Kerry will tarnish his political prospects.
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This is from cbsnews.com's own site Questions Linger Over Bush Memos
My lingering question: Will Dan commit seppuku?
.... CBS said, the official record shows that Mr. Bush was suspended from flying on Aug. 1, 1972. That date matches the one on a memo given to CBS News, ordering that Mr. Bush be suspended.... Dan Rather said his original report on "60 Minutes" used several techniques to make sure the memos were genuine, including talking to handwriting and document analysts and other experts who strongly insist that the documents could have been created in the 1970s....
Document examiner Sandra Ramsey Lines of Paradise Valley, Ariz., who examined the documents for the AP, said she was "virtually certain" they were generated by computer. Some forensic experts were quoted by news organizations, including The Associated Press, saying the memos appeared to have been computer-generated with characteristics that weren't available three decades ago.
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Let's ignore the lame-ass attempt at forgery for just a moment. My question is why is the Kerry team going on about this VietNam stuff? It was 30 years ago. A lot has happened since then. A lot more important stuff is happening right now.
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My question is why is the Kerry team going on about this VietNam stuff?
Probably 'cause John F'n Kerry's been grooming himself for office on the backdrop of his Vietnam service since he left. It'd be a shame to drop it, 30 plus years in the making, even after Bubba told him to drop it.
Wait, I think I hear Funny Girl in the distance...
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On no account should bloggers accept Bill Burkett as a sacrifice in this case. He is being conveniently offered because he is not a member of the CBS, Kerry, Harkin or DNC staffs.
If Burkett were the forger, I think he would have looked at his own paperwork and at least gotten the address correct.
I wonder if the internal quietness at 60 Minutes is coming from a departmental seizure of everybody's computers and such to see which hardrives need to be wiped. You would think that someone would squeal, but I think that 60 Minutes only staffs with fellow travellers "true-believers."
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hmmmmm nothing new on Bab's Truth Alerts maybe she's waiting for the Swiftvets, Dan Rather's coverups, and Tereza to give her direction?
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Lol, Frank! Seems the DU Talking Points are all over the map. They need time to regroup. Sure thing, guys, take all the time you want. Late November - early December would be fine. My calendar's open then.
MATT DRUDGE IS 2 for 2 today!By Gene J. Koprowski
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The Air Force has knocked down allegations by a Web site that said President Bush, when serving as an officer in the Texas Air National Guard, wore a ribbon he was not authorized to wear -- a military offense that could have led to a bad-conduct discharge from the service if true. The original story was offered to United Press International during late August by operatives from Democrats.com, an Internet activist group whose founder had earlier this year served as a source for The Boston Globe and other media outlets on stories about Bush's service in the guard in the 1960s and 1970s...
The Air Force and the White House last week in interviews with UPI said the allegations were misleading. White House spokesman Trent Duffy referred UPI to the Air Reserve Personnel Center in Colorado where Technical Sgt. Rob Mims is the spokesman. Mims said the claims were "not true. I verified that (Thursday). Lieutenant Bush received Air Force Outstanding Unit Award while he was in basic training with the 3724th Basic Military Training Squadron at Lackland Air Force Base, Texas."
Ribbon on the left is the one in question.
Ribbon on the right is for marksmanship.
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This question that should be asked of these idiots, is have they EVER served in the Armed Forces. Every Zoomie knows that if you are assigned to a unit the gets the AFOUA you get too. You could have been there one day or 1000 you still get to wear the ribbon. Most Airman have multiple awards of the AFOUA. Itâs probably the most awarded ribbon outside the Air Force Training ribbon, and the Marksmanship (the one on the right in the photo).
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Mojo, A PUC has a GOLD frame around it and is a SOLID blue color. You would know it if you had one. Please check this link: http://www.af.mil/news/airman/0104/awards.html
I saw this in a blog and thought it was of some interest.
Ummm here we go again, this time with a Kerry official military record. His 2nd Silver Star citation signed by
Admiral John J. HYLAND, USN
(30 November 1967 - 5 December 1970)
Proportional font, full justification. We've already cleared it up that there was no standard typewriter that could do this in 1972, let alone 1969 (when this citation was supposedly written).
So the question now is, did Admiral Hyland's office have a main frame or Composer typewriter to do this type of font style? With full justification?
While we're at it, might as well verify Adm Hyland's signature!
No go on this one. I believe these were actually typeset in the government printshop for presentation. This one's a false alarm.
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It is possible that an admiral's office could have farmed this out to a print shop along with all other similar types of awards. We have to be VERY careful here. However, the Lehman document deserves scrutiny...
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I agree we have to be careful, but if the rumor that the Bush forgeries went through the John-John campaign first, then maybe we've stumbled across a cottage industry.
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Jebus, that is just SO Farkin' Lame!
I can't wait until Kerry's speech at the Guard Association Convention in Vegas, Thursday. I've a feeling the keel is going to be punched out of his campaign.
Jack.
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THey may not only turn their backs on him, he may get mooned!
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Too bad Americans haven't learned how to slow clap like the Brits. Apaprently it really works.
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...Kerry is talking to the GA? I am very surprised they haven't yanked his invitation yet. Without the Guard and Reserve, USAF gets almost no tanker or transport support. Kinda hard to move anywhere without them - I'm looking forward to seeing Kerry's reception.
Mike
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Drudge is posting a doc showing Bush on active duty at an Air Force base (http://www.drudgereport.com/bush.pdf). How long until someone goes on about this being a forgery?
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When you go to Basic Training (we zoomies call boot camp that) you are on active duty Air Force. I think you remain on active service until you complete technical training. I think we are splitting hairs here but that's what the Dems are attempting to do. No legs, gone in the 24-hour news cycle.
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What would a bunch of civilian wusses at the DNC know? You're right CS. Drudge found a Statement of Understanding signed by George W. Bush 27 May 1968. It reads in part : In connection with my enlistment in the Reserve of the Air Force for service in the Air National Guard of the United States, I understand and agree that:
a.I will enter on active duty for training for 120 days or until I have satisfactorly completed the courses I have elected . There was a copy of a DD214 on another thread that shows that W. did in fact serve that active duty time. Only an absolute idiot would continue to flail this dead horse.
George W Bush almost certainly will win another term as president of the United States, as I have predicted all along (Careful what you Bush for, August 3). That surprises outside observers of US politics, who can see that the Democrats are cleverer, better dressed and better looking. It is just the sort of Americans who know they are neither clever nor good-looking who will vote for Bush.
Bush supporters are the sort of American one never meets. Through the media as well as through personal contact, Asians and Europeans meet the United States in the person of its coastal elite: academics, journalists, clerics, entertainers, and the technological avant garde. The sort of American traveler one meets in Hong Kong, Singapore or Bangkok probably will vote for John Kerry in November. Fewer than one in six Americans owns a passport, and those are found disproportionately on the US coasts, colored Democratic blue on the electoral maps. The elite enjoys the frisson of cultural difference and will travel thousands of miles to patronize quaint foreign cultures. By contrast, provincials from the inland states (colored Republican red on the electoral maps) take their holidays in Las Vegas or Disney World. For them the gambling-casino replicas of the Eiffel Tower or the Venetian canals are just like the real thing but without the inconvenience of strange tongues and customs.
Bush voters really do look worse (obesity is an inland disease in the US), dress worse, and are less likely to have attended a university than Kerry voters. But Bush voters are the sort of people who believe in their heart of hearts that America was founded to protect the likes of them - unlikely the clever and attractive people who can fend quite well for themselves. That is the source of their patriotism.
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My first-born got her first passport at 10 months old. My second child got hers at the advanced age of 4 weeks. Neither's has had a chance to expire, and both children probably have more frequent flyer memberships than the writer of this backhanded compliment.
I've been complimented on my English on the streets of Brussels and in the Kurparks of Frankfurt. At parties strangers have admired the language ability of my American husband, and wondered where I met him.
There are many like us working for the larger corporations here in the Midwest and, according to the surveys, most of us will vote Republican in November.
I do get so very tired of the stereotypes. But at least the writer understands the most important fact of the near future.
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It's always nice to see the hopes, dreams and thoughts of 300 million people from wildly diverse backgrounds summarized in a few deft sentences. Despite the author's condescension, however, he's got three key points down right:
(1) Americans have lots of guns (2) Americans will fight back if attacked and (3) Americans will reelect George Bush.
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Bush voters are more likely to have a top loader freezer.
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Bush Voters are more likely to have a chest freezer (to keep their kill in after they hunt it down with GUNS).
This is silly. I live on the Coast (Washington State), own a passport, traveled abroad, and am a conservative and will not vote for that fraud and traitor called Kerry.
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The left became their parents -but with a different twist.
They are the new bigots now. They view conservatives, like the bigots of old viewed ni^^&*s; stupid, subhuman creatures who are responsible for the worlds ills.
It's amazing to hear my leftie friends spew their hate for "the masses" they never met. Their belief in the righteousness of their cause to damn "the unclean", is staggering.
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Now just hold on there, have you looked at the democrat group as a whole, good looking you mean like James Carville, or Robert Reich he looks like a Jerry Mahoney doll with a beard.... of course they do have the lovely and talented Babs....excuse me I have to vomit
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I'm one of the "technological avant garde" that has been met on the streets in the U.K., France, Germany, the Netherlands, Australia, Singapore, Malaysia, Japan, Canada, Mexico, and Colombia. I voted for Bush before and I'm going to do it again. Proof that this article is pure bullshit.
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"The United States, by contrast, is populated by the descendants of individuals who decided to cease to be Europeans (or whatever) so that no one would be able to push them around."
I prefer to think that Europe, in contrast, is populated by the descendants of placid individuals who were easily pushed around and who were too timid to get on the boat. Seriously, could this writer have infused any more stupid stereotypes into this article and still have gotten it printed?
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Actually, even as a progressive I have to take issue with you here Tipper. I've been posting a lot on slate.com, feeling out the mood of the electorate, if you will. And from that and talking with the conservatives I know, a pattern has emerged.
It's mostly about religion.
The most common reasons I've heard given for voting Bush/Cheney in 2004 are:
1. Dunno, I just like him. He seems very moral.
2. I like the fact that he has a strong belief in God.
3. He's a lot tougher than that wuss Kerry.
Bottom line: Kerry didn't come out fighting when he was supposed to. America's swing voters held their its collective breath after the Democratic convention, but Kerry didn't go negative fast enough. As a result Bush walked all over him and made him look weak. So now he's Al Gore, Part II.
You can't seriously believe that the way some Americans look has any impact on the way they vote. George Bush is actually highly qualified from a certain point of view. Unfortunately for the country, that view includes some very wrongheaded policies that will probably stifle free speech and create more poverty. But that's politics.
First order of business is to accept the election results and stop baiting conservatives. Second order of business is to begin fighting in the courts and in the press to prevent the radical "reforms" that Bush has promised for Social Security, Medicare, and government regulatory bodies. He means to abolish them all. The fox is in among the chickens, so we'll just have to save as many as we can. Making gratuitous attacks on our friends on the right won't help.
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Tipper didn't write the article, Mister Write. Tipper just posted it and gave us excerpts. Click on the headline for the actual full article. [Even though you're probably one of those "coastal elite," I'll cut you a break for that "friends on the right" comment.]
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Of the politicized and therefore motivated segment of the population, yes, I do.
And just like the country at large, it's divided right down the middle, with roughly equal representation of Dems and Repubs.
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This reminds me of Mead's definition of "Jacksonian Americans". A person that holds the virtue of Honor in high regards.
Europe doesn't understand the US, Americans or it's foreign policy. And I don't think they ever will.
Also, the more I think about it, is that we, The US, are fighting FOR the Arab, the Iraqi, and the Muslim. We are trying to protect them from the might of The West. History has shown us, that once pushed to war for survival, the West does not stop for concessions or peace treaties. We would crush, kill and destroy our enemies until they've accepted OUR terms. And the cost then will be much greater, than it is now.
"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, to assure the survival and success of liberty."
-John F. Kennedy (JFK)
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A lot of techies on the right, Tom. They like the clear, unambiguous answers that conservatism provides. Very precise, and they make for snappy blogging too.
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Mr. Left: A lot of techies on the right, Tom. They like the clear, unambiguous answers that conservatism provides. Very precise, and they make for snappy blogging too.
A lot of liberal arts folks on the left. They like ambiguous answers that reinforce to them how sophisticated and intellectual they are. Gives them an opportunity to pat themselves on the back over and over again.
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Mr. Write, welcome! (Goodness, that's my second welcome today! Fred, are your numbers going up yet again?)
When you've been among us a bit longer, you'll realize that this blog is not truly among the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. We number among us Christians, Jews, Moslems, atheists, agnostics, and Others as yet undefined. Many are conservatives (American version) of various stripes, but there are also American-style liberals, Jackson/Cold War liberals (aka liberal hawks), Independents, Libertarians and Socialists both Euro- and American. We count among our posters Americans, Canadians, Europeans from England east to Turkey, and correspondents from around the globe. Our skill sets range from Special Forces to housewives, from factory worker to professor, and one dear little Bahraini co-ed (or was it Dubai?), who was a bit shocked by this first exposure to the great big world outside her borders. Lots of us have been in the military, or experienced history from an even more intimate perspective. Some of us are grateful to have been sheltered from all that.
I think I speak for most of us here when I say that the bright line between Kerry and Bush runs through the Twin Towers and the Pentagon on 9/11. Religion -- his or mine -- is not an issue. Even liking the man is moot. But only one of the candidates noticed that everything was reprioritized on that day, and has acted accordingly ever since.
Perhaps outside these walls Dems and Repubs are motivated as you say. I don't know, I've pretty much given up discussing politics out there -- it isn't safe ;-) In here we employ our various skills to figure out what's really going on in this war that Terror declared upon us.
All -- please forgive my windiness. Last night my mood was fey...this evening my ABB husband admitted that Kerry hasn't done what he needs to do to win the presidency.
At any rate, that's the perspective of this little housewife.
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The wonderful thing about this article is that it reminds me how wonderful it is to have one person one vote. We here in the fly over country still refuse to be ruled by the condesceding arrogant elitists in the Northeast.
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tw - He's certainly got the hand-wringing thing down, no? One must wonder if it's some other anatomical protuberance that's actually being handled... BTW, he sounds a bit like another apologist / wringer who deigns to show up occasionally - posts under the nym of "slumming" - which endeared him to me immediately, since RB is home.
#31
Thank you very much for the welcome trailing, I appreciate that. I'll take your advice to heart and not rush to judgment on anything.
I agree that employing our skills to figure out what's really going on is the most important thing. If that means taking the occasional dart, so be it. Honesty matters more than sensitivity, and debate more than groupthink.
A lot of the posts I've read on Rantburg have been of the more abusive sort. Libs do that too, yes, but it's generally the Cons who shine at it. So maybe there's a slight majority of Cons here, yes? No problem. The majority of the posts I've read have been quite rigorous, which is refreshing.
Looking forward to sharpening my wits among you all.
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Gosh, Mr Write,
Please give us the names of all those you know who have had their freedom of speech curtailed or taken away by the "bad Bush" policies.
Thought so, you can't name one, nor can any of your so-called progressive friends if similarly challenged.
Too, you couldn't name a single policy enacted by the "Bushitler" that will drive a single individual into poverty either! Mobility among socio-economic tiers is so great and bounded only by one's desire to succeed and one's willingness to work for it!
We in Red fly-over country, unlike our bretheren on the Coasts, will vote for Bush for the simple reason stated above: Bush, real; Kerry, phony. Our phoniness detectors are just in much better shape since we don't have to put up with it 24/7 like you Coastal types do!
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Thanks also, Frank.
Anonymous: No names, because that hasn't happened... yet. But the country does seem to be moving that way, doesn't it? The Patriot Act was certainly a blow for... something... but that something wasn't free speech, or democratic principles.
"Bushitler"? Not my phraseology. But by any measure the gap between the rich and the poor continues to grow. Traditional conservatives counter with a heartfelt, "so what? The people who really matter are moving up." Yeah, but. Bread and circuses kept the poor of Rome from open revolt; I wonder what we'll use after Social Security, Medicare and welfare have all been abolished as per the Republican master plan. Seems to me we've got a bad case of ideology.
Free market means free stealing too, and that's why the top earners of this country increased their wealth by vast sums last year. Sure, you've got money, you're okay. But an awful lot of Americans aren't. What will you tell them, Anonymous? Go find Jesus? Ask for a few fishes and loaves?
Americans prefer to vote with their balls and ignore the issues, bigger fools we.
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Lol! I feel so dirty - and shamed. Yes, very heavy on the shame thingy. I have read my better, and it is the sweet voice of reason and compassion and *ZZZzzz*. It offers no facts or justifications, but it has no need. The high ground is taken. All opposition is forfeit. Ignore everything that passed before today. It was merely an illusion. Mark your calendars -- the truth arrived. Today. Again.
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that pablum won't fly here, Bob Shrum. The rich pay more than their share in taxes, and the middle class is growing. Heard of EIC in teh tax code? You'll have to do a lot better or the abuse with facts here will collapse that little world you've concocted. Check out polipundit.com for econ/tax/class warfare info that smashes your worldview.....
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Mr. Left: Free market means free stealing too
Actually free market means free market. Progressive policies steal from us and give to Democratic constituencies. I suggest that if you want to redistribute income, you start by paying my bills for me. I could sure use a hand.
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easy there, ZF - he'd tax me, pay you, then take credit for his "compassion"
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Forgive me, Mr. Write, but I've led a very sheltered life, and I have no idea what Americans prefer to vote with their balls means. No doubt I am the only one here so abysmally ignorant, but I'm afraid 'tis so. Please translate.
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A dissent here. Can we please dispense with the asinine "red" and "blue" stereotypes? There are millions of Truman-JFK national security Democrats on both coasts who, like Krauthammer and Hitchens and Kaus and Marty Peretz and others, find Kerry appalling. There are millions of old-line white shoe Republicans scattered across the midwest and south who, like Will and Buckley and Bush 41's advisers, are not keen on the religious right or on neo-con notions of "national greatness" or democracy promotion in the muslim world. And then there are the many thousands of NASCAR dads who aren't keen on Bush and the security (nee soccer) moms who are determined that a Beslan never happen here. Are these folks red or blue?
The fact is that most Americans are a shade of purple. Most of the southern high-growth metropolises are becoming more cosmopolitan as yuppie high-tech and finance workers move in from the north. New York and other northern metropolises have discovered zero tolerance and the merits of making their cities clean and attractive to the Disney crowd.
And I believe that a majority of Americans would happily vote for an alternative to Bush, like Lieberman or maybe Biden or a moderate Republican like Giuliani or McCain, if only such a moderate, tough on terror and sensible at home candidate were available.
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lemme see: "dispense with stereotypes"?
there are the many thousands of NASCAR dads who aren't keen on Bush and the security (nee soccer) moms who are determined that a Beslan never happen here
? I love Nascar, I'm a Dad, and now that we're hypersensitive, I resent your stereotyping :-)
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Gap between rich and poor: If one man makes $50 K and another makes $100 K, and their standard of living goes up by 10%, they now make $55 K and $110 K respectively. The gap between their incomes has grown. So what? They're both richer.
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lex - Who said they were solid red or solid blue? Only a fool would say that any candidate is perfect. I think the fact that the little thing known as the survival of civilization sorta overrides the other issues has led you to an erroneous conslusion. You haven't been here long enough to know it, perhaps, but there is a significantly sized segment here who are relatively new "Bushies" - and I'm one of them. I like freedom. He'll work to preserve it. 'Nuff said for this election.
The Dhimmicrap Party is your issue, my friend. The other issues are kinda moot if we don't get motherfucking serious about the WoT. I like Leiberman a LOT! But he was treated like a leper by his own, no? That settled it for me. They don't get dick from me until they rejoin reality. Which is already in progress, lol!
I'd like to see Giuliani or Schwarzenegger (we'll look at that constitutional issue, heh) or Rice Or even Zell Miller - cuz I know Leiberman will still be a leper and Hillary will be their choice - in 2008.
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FG: easy there, ZF - he'd tax me, pay you, then take credit for his "compassion"
No - actually I meant Mr. Left could start personally paying my bills, not getting someone else to do so. The point is for him to indulge his sense of charity by actually digging into his own pockets instead of picking someone else's.
#48
Your comments mangle my point. I'm a Democrat and an atheist. I supported and still support the war to overthrow Saddam. I'm voting for Bush this time around. My point is that the fact that I live in a "red" state indicates absolutely nothing about my preferences or values, just as the fact that I'm a Democrat does not mean that I have my head up my arse like so many of Mikey Moore's fans. I would like to see a party realignment that would see the Mikey-Howie-Jimmah types ostracised and replaced in the Democratic Party by Giuliani-Arnold-McCain crossover types. Then we could finally have an intelligent national discussion about the best way to fight and win this war.
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Hmmmm... let me see... in and around all the personal attacks, there is a point or two here.
.com: It offers no facts or justifications, but it has no need.
Quite right, because neither do you. What, I should operate at a disadvantage here? Time-honored debate tactic of the right: demand proof, then when the poor lefty schmuck delivers a gargantuan post, simply impugn his sources.
Been there, done that.
The high ground is taken. All opposition is forfeit.
Not at all, sir. You may engage on the issues anytime you like. Perhaps other readers are waiting for this too.
Frank G: The rich pay more than their share in taxes, and the middle class is growing. Heard of EIC in teh tax code? You'll have to do a lot better or the abuse with facts here will collapse that little world you've concocted.
::sigh:: It's very easy to talk only about the rich, which you do. What about the poor? I guess we don't have any of those in this country, eh? Or the disabled, what of them? Can they compete effectively in your "no-handouts" world? Sure they can. One-legged people can still hop around with "Car Wash" signs. Everyone either competes or dies.
Frank, if you are of moderate income and not personally rich, you're just guarding the rich man's plantation here. You're delivering his cleverly constructed propaganda: there is an infinite money supply, greed is good, let's deregulate everything now, never mind about health benefits, never mind about falling or stagnant wages, you don't need overtime pay, compete, compete, compete.
Why? What do you gain, personally, from Mr. Gates' enormous wealth? At the end of the day, that money gets parked in his bank account, not yours.
I say only this: don't cater to the rich. They have been waging class warfare in this country for decades. Which is perfectly laudable and normal. It only becomes abnormal when we let them take all the marbles, and fail to defend for our own standard of living.
Half the country enthusiastically shills for the rich, even though 80% are not members of the upper class and never will be. I sincerely hope you become rich, Frank G. But the odds of that happening are small, as they are for any of us.
And getting smaller.
Check out polipundit.com for econ/tax/class warfare info that smashes your worldview.....
I will, and thanks for the tip.
Zhang Fei: Progressive policies steal from us and give to Democratic constituencies.
Well, tell your boys in Washington that poor people do exist in this country and get 'em to throw a bone in that direction once in awhile. Then they wouldn't be Democratic constituencies anymore.
suggest that if you want to redistribute income, you start by paying my bills for me. I could sure use a hand.
Gladly, as soon as I get a share of all this fabulous wealth that Mr. Bush has been generating for the average American. You probably got, let's see, $200 or so from his last tax cut? Paul O'Neill got $3.5 million. A year.
tw: Forgive me, Mr. Write, but I've led a very sheltered life, and I have no idea what Americans prefer to vote with their balls means. No doubt I am the only one here so abysmally ignorant, but I'm afraid 'tis so. Please translate.
Ah no, forgive me instead. I was being overly dramatic.
What I should have said was: Americans, as a rule, aren't paying attention to what's going on behind the curtain. We have our war on (as you pointed out in your earlier post), or we have taken up our crusader's crosses, as I would have it. Either way, it is emotion and not logic driving us.
Does that make me an elitist? Dunno. But I suspect someone on here might tell me.
Whew! This is fun.
lex: A very eloquent plea for civility. I would have backed anyone but Mr. Bush myself, though the point is now moot.
The fact is that most Americans are a shade of purple.
Or liberal in one respect, and conservative in some another, yes. Ideas of left and right don't do justice to the nuances of reality. People shouldn't wine so much about the extremes of American Culture. We could learn a thing or two about this from the French.
And I believe that a majority of Americans would happily vote for an alternative to Bush, like Lieberman or maybe Biden or a moderate Republican like Giuliani or McCain, if only such a moderate, tough on terror and sensible at home candidate were available.
Such a person would still have to be vetted by the right and the religious right, which is a nearly impossible obstacle to negotiate. But now that I've completely won over .com and Frank G to my way of thinking, it'll be just that little bit easier.
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Mr. Left: Well, tell your boys in Washington that poor people do exist in this country and get 'em to throw a bone in that direction once in awhile. Then they wouldn't be Democratic constituencies anymore.
Stealing isn't any less wrong when you call it income redistribution. Stealing to win votes is what liberals do. Conservatives work to reverse this theft. (Besides, conservatives can't outbid liberals - if we promise them a car, the liberals will promise them a Porsche. And why is that? Because liberals get other people to pay for their sense of charity).
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Oh, and it assumes that not a word was posted before it arrived. We've all been waiting for it to ask (and answer) the *deep* and *compassionate* questions of our time.
Does a sound blog exist if a woods in the wild shits bear?
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Well spoken, Zhang Fei. I think we are actually in agreement on how both left and right buy their respective constituencies. And yes, if conservatives give even one penny to the poor, they start down the slippery slope to income redistribution.
The trick, I think, is to achieve a balance. Something must be guaranteed to the poor. Otherwise the American dream is a cheap and empty promise. Guarantee 'em a job, maybe. Or health care. Or inexpensive food and transportation. But certainly not everything.
Reward hard work and initiative, but don't punish poverty. That's why we no longer see Newt Gingrich: he had no compassion, and he wanted to punish folks just for being poor. Take away their kids and put 'em all in orphanages. Bizarre.
Long as you and me, or at least people much like you and me, are doing battle in the marketplace of ideas and no one ultimately wins, the two sides will be more or less in harmony. The rich and... those other people that you could not even name in your posts.
I remember as a kid (in early 60's, Czechoslovakia), seeing movie about poor people in America. It was truly shocking. I saw these poor people, living in a house, having TV set, and some older type of car. I decided: "I want to be a poor resident of America!"
Last Friday Richard Starr made a prediction about the National Guard memos: CBS would almost certainly admit that they were forgeries. That sure seemed right to me at the time. But instead, CBS said it was standing by its story and, despite reports, would not conduct an internal investigation. On hearing this news, Jim Geraghty of NRO's Kerry Spot spoke for me when he sputtered, "I am stunned." The stunning truth, as Mark Steyn put it was that "Big Media are trashing their reputations in service to a man who can never win." I thought I agreed with that too. But now I'm not so sure. . .
Read on. It's a "Rather" depressing but open-eyed assessment that the MSM doesn't care about lying, because their audience expects it in order to justify their own views.
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So ~ I'm outing myself. There's an elephant in the room ladies and gentlemen. I'm not saying where I'll stand when 2008 arrives {although if Kerry wins my guess is 6 feet south}. But this year? I'm voting for the guy that wants to save my life. Not the one who, with the blessing of the U.N., might at some point, be willing to avenge it afterwards.
Fuck you John Kerry, you're a pussy.
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Un - f*ing - believable.
9/11 Dems come in all shapes and sizes.
Iâm not saying where Iâll stand when 2008 arrives {although if Kerry wins my guess is 6 feet south}.
There is hope when a committed lefty decides she wants to live, and that trumps everything else.
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I'm on a roll today. There are events that change the world. Yesterday was a better day - we were worried about things like whether or not people's feelings were hurt. Today we are about survival.
Yeah..it's too bad. But that won't change the reality that we live in today.
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I have no problem with liberals. I'm a bit of a liberal myself.
However - I have a problem with today's democrats. My take is tha the Bush-haters are the disgruntled. They are the new blamers and shamers...the bullies who hate Bush because the hate themselves.
I'm tired of their desire to feel important by blaming others more secure than themselves.
I'm sorry you hate yourself. We can't help the fact that people were mean to you when you were young. Grow up and get over it, for the sake of your children.
Al Gore's stiff jokes are gone now, replaced by recount jokes. The cautious campaigner of 2000 is gone, too, replaced by a fire-breathing Bush basher. the only fire he looks like he is breathing is fueled by JD or speed.
When Gore delivered his latest-in-a-series slam at the Republicans last week, faulting Vice President Dick Cheney for "sleazy and despicable" criticism of the Democrats, a White House spokesman dismissively responded: "Consider the source." Uh, AL? You might not want to mention the latest Demo-lition debacle, "forgery-gate" starring LLL Dan Blather.
Well, Gore used to be the vice president. And, as he likes to say, he used to be the next president of the United States. And, since there is a God...Al Gore is only a fat raving lunatic private citizen.
Now, he is Al Gore, private citizen — unleashed. I'd say the only thing that's unleashed about Gore is his appetite. Damn, boy! Put down that hambone!
Speaking with a freedom and passion less frequently seen in his own political campaigns, Gore is happily making speeches, raking in money ahh, the operative word. BLING. BLING Continued on Page 49
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Now if you had asked, "Who thinks Gore looks like a fat Jack Ass...."
Pix from Drudge
He looks as though he is not playing with a full deck.
Spooky. To think this man was 500+ votes away from the presidency?
That's enough to make one sick to the stomach!
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He kinda does look like Jack in that picture BigEd linked to. Reminds me of the scene in "Witches of Eastwick" when he starts ranting about women from the church pulpit.
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You got it Mrs. D, under the stress he has reverted to type.
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...Gore has skewered President Bushâs team for moral cowardice, the "lowest sort of politics imaginable," aligning itself with "digital brownshirts" who intimidate the press...
I saw a term on another blog that I liked better than 'digital brownshirts': electronic sand fleas
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Ohh, he does not look good at all. Seriously, he seems to have been going downhill ever since Garrison Keillor began ragging on him on "Prairie Home Companion", after the 2000 election.
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Several centuries ago, le duc de la Rochefoucauld put together his "Maximes". One of the best refers to passion, and it more or less goes like this: "Passion makes a smart man dumb and a dumb one smart."
That's why my antenna always starts beeping when I hear the word from a pol, activist, even coach. Say enthusiasm or dedication, please.
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And I think you'll see why Vietnam Veterans against John Kerry
Ex-SEAL Captain Larry Bailey (spellings are all guesses at this point) was master of ceremonies. Included in the lineup were ex-POW Jim Warner, Swiftie John O'Neill, B.G. Burkett, author of Stolen Valor, CIA vet Rodrigo Diaz, Captain in the Army Nurse Corps Donna Roe, and Steve Pitkin, the Vietnam Veteran who was strongarmed into lying at the Winter Soldier hearings. Some of these folks are truly great speakers. Those of us following the Swift Veterans for Truth know that John O'Neill is. Donna Roe was great too. And Larry Bailey takes a back seat to no one. All of them were good.
The stories they told ranged from Warner's story of how John Kerry's VVAW activities affected him directly while he was in a Hanoi POW camp, through the experiences of the daughter of "Black Bart," Major Roger Bartholomew of the 2/20th ARA Battalion, whose name is etched into the black wall, to The Kathleen Story, told by Donna Roe.
Sorry to break protocol and link to a blog, but honestly, there is no coverage of this rally except for Blogs and CSPAN!
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I saw it on CSPAN. Maybe a 1000 people? But VERY powerful speakers. The daughter of a Vet who died in Vietnam really stole the show.
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Actually, there WAS a mentione thereof on Yahoo! ... which also interjected at least two Kerry supporters as "counterprotesters", including the infamous McPeak.
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it is no longer the "mainstream" media. Please refer to it in the future as the "lamestream" media.
"George W. Bush's campaign literature claimed that he 'served in the U.S. Air Force.' The only problem? He didn't," slams a new DNC press release set for distribution.
Problem is, look at GWB's DD214. Page 9. Block 4: Air Force, ANGUS. Also on 13 August 1968, GWB was promoted to the rank of "AMN" in the USAF Reserves. And under these terms, Lt John Kerry, USN-R (RESERVE!) never really served "in the Navy" and is lying too. Are these clowns really that stupid?
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Check this image of the actual Bush DD214 out: (hat tip: Bandit's Hideout
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Saw Earl W. Lively on Fox and Friends this AM. He was Ops Boss or some such of the Texas Unit while Bush served. He brought forward a point that I hadn't heard before. He said that Bush had not jumped in front of a bunch of people for his slot in the Texas Air Guard. Lively says that the long line was full of people that were interested in airman slots and had neither the qualification nor the interest in flying high performance aircraft. Preparing a pilot package took extra time and physicals that Bush did on his own because he wanted to fly. Lively pointed out that risking your life in flight school is a piss-poor way of hiding from military service.
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Newsmax has a story that had a few items that I didn't know about:
1. Gary Killian urged Mapes to interview Dean Roome, who roomed with Bush during his time in the Guard. Ms. Mapes explained that "60 Minutes" had already conducted the interview but was unlikely to include Roome's account in its report, telling Killian Jr.: "We think he is pretty pro-Bush."
2. Killian recalled that he immediately questioned whether his father would have written the critical comments, telling Hannity that he knew his father actually admired Bush because "we talked about it." Killian Jr. even warned "60 Minutes" that any documents purporting otherwise were likely to be of questionable origin.
3. Mrs. Killian has since challenged the authenticity of the CBS documents, saying her husband didn't even know how to type.
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smart move by the Donks to keep bringing up Viet Nam. Otherwise people might forget about it
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They just don't get it. The criticism of Kerry is based upon his claims to be a war hero and the fact that HE brought up Vietnam. But that doesn't mean Vietnam or the candidates' military service is the central issue! It's barely on the map, but since Kerry still won't talk about anything else of substance, of course it's going to be criticized ad nauseum.
Kerry, work on your explanation re: your slander and lies during your "war protester" period, and work on defending your Senate record, both of which lasted longer than your Vietnam service anyway. You ain't hurting the President by trying to bash his records as a young man; he's already admitted to making alot of mistakes as a young man. You have to beat W the President, not W the rowdy 20something.
Or as Ric Flair puts it: "In order to be the Man, you've gotta beat the Man".
Posted by: Chris W. ||
09/13/2004 10:15 Comments ||
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I guess its time for yet another Kerry-Clinton chat.
#14
So I guess this means the National Guardsmen in Iraq aren't really getting shot at.
Posted by: Matt ||
09/13/2004 11:24 Comments ||
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Let's hope Kerry's OODA loop is 8 weeks.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis ||
09/13/2004 11:28 Comments ||
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So I guess this means the National Guardsmen in Iraq aren't really getting shot at.
bet they'll be glad to hear that. Looks like the Donks are gonna have to try and disqualify the military vote again to keep Kerry in the double digits
Posted by: Frank G ||
09/13/2004 11:31 Comments ||
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OODA? More like OP-DROP.
Observe, Poll, Decide, Reverse Observation, Punt.
Posted by: Matt ||
09/13/2004 12:05 Comments ||
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Lemee see-
CBS stonewalls, proclaiming forged documents are OK, because what's inside them is the "truth"
Dan Delusional broadcasts them, producer Mary Mapes gets them from one Bill Burkett.
Now, apparently Burkett, a former national guard person, is frothing, maybe literally, because he didn't get the medical care after getting a "tropical disease" after being sent to Panama on a military assignment.
One of the symptoms he complains abnout was encephalitis. Isn't one of the outward symptoms of encephalitis supposed to be dementia?
But hey, "We at CBS know we have the most left-wing audience. THEY EXPECT US TO LIE! They want to feel good!"
CBS, down 21 points against the Blogs, on its own 20 yard line, start of the third quarter, 3rd down ten, decides to throw a hail mary. Dan Rather goes on a straight pattern right on the seam, but he is met with a db who tips the ball, and free safety Charles Johnson who intercepts, laterals to the northern alliance lawyers, who are running it back. Wide receiver Dan Rather tried to tackle Johson, missed and is trying to catch the lawyers, who are running it in for a touchdown.
#20
"Lively says that the long line was full of people that were interested in airman slots and had neither the qualification nor the interest in flying high performance aircraft."
This is exactly the source of frustration with Affirmative Action.
Example: A position is advertised with specific qualications requisite. 100 people respond.
99 are men. 1 is a woman.
Of the 99 who are men, perhaps 25 are well and truly qualified for the position, the other 74 are not.
The position is set aside for a woman however and since she too is qualified, she gets the job.
Maybe 25 guys have a right to complain but instead you have 99 guys complaining, even though 74 of them were never really under consideration.
Bush, in addition to wealth, looks, influence, etc., also had the 'right stuff' to fly fighter planes. Most of the guys who washed out or weren't picked might think they coulda, woulda, shoulda been pilots, too, but it was never gonna happen, Bush or no Bush.
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Wizbang has a sorta recap of his comments. Sounds like it was very weak. CBS legal has to be previewing this stuff. What are they telling their client, both as attorneys and as objective viewers?
Posted by: Mrs. Davis ||
09/13/2004 20:24 Comments ||
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Mr and Mrs. D: fine question. I suspect one thing the lawyers are asking themselves is whether they need to advise Gunga Dan, and others, to get separate counsel. And I would guess Dan has already done so. I suspect also that there have been serious conversations (probably at the lawyer level to make discovery more difficult) among CBS, the DNC and the Kerry campaign about who did what to whom.
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via Chicago Boyz - EFL
Hysterical Godfather Parody - with Players from today's World Stage...
By David
So what would a second Bush administration (well, third, but second G.W. Bush administration) look like?
The sad truth is that second administrations don't have a very good record. The best and brightest tend to move on, anxious to get away from all of the character attacks and start making some money (I heard Condie Rice on the radio today expressing a desire to be NFL Commissioner).
But I think there's a strong argument that President Bush, because he selected some older folks (like Rumsfeld) and others who were around in his father's adminstration (like Powell) still has an untapped reserve of excellent talent to continue a strong cabinet.
I'll write more about this in coming weeks, but it's late, and what really inspired this post is a strong visual image of a tasteless parody--the President's Inaugaration, done in the style of the end of The Godfather.
I'd really like the part where Kim Jong Il is interrupted in a massage, and reaches for his glasses...oh, heck, I'll probably regret this and delete it tomorrow, but I'll go ahead with it now and blame the rum...
RTWT - Kofi goes for a ride...
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this story illustrates why I no longer have any respect for Bush haters. We would all be better off to drop the word "Bush" and just call them what they are: haters.
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The family friend's message alleges Drake's mother was "harassed and yelled at, booed and hissed, told her son died for nothing."
Yeah. People of Peace. Amazing how this "peace lovers" always seem to be the most hostile towards everyone who doesn't share their point of view. To harass a mother who just lost her son is beyond words. Losers.
#4
Standard behavior for peace hypocrites, fucking animals every one. Indulging in this behavior without having to take responsibility for it is the whole reason many of these sadly deficient creatures join the movement in the first place. They aren't for peace, they are for their own egoes and their depraved sense of power. The worst of the bastards are the religious ones, concealing their support for torture and brutality behind a level of self-righteous arrogance and moral absolutism that would shame a Puritan witch-burner.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis ||
09/13/2004 21:07 Comments ||
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I don't know who's worse, these sadistic hypocrites or the media whores who cover for them. They're all a couple of bad turns away from a mass lamppost party and they're too arrogant to know it.
#7
AC - as they go up, they'll snootily note the use of the "wrong" kind of rope. Snobbish sniping will lose it's allure when the shit hits the fan
Posted by: Frank G ||
09/13/2004 21:24 Comments ||
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well I for one agree, this is not how Americans should Act, I may be a Southern Backasswards college graduate, but In My State We try to honor those who have fallen, NO MATTER THE CIRCUMSTANCE!!!! Southern Hospitality, Kindness, and devotion to the nation are traits that are being driven out of my culture, and I for one Will not idly stand by while miscreants desecrate the sanctity of dying for ones country, I visit cemetaties a lot in my hobbies and I still get enamored by the graves of our forefathers who died in all the wars, from the Revolution, The War Between the States to the Vietnam war. (have not seen any thing recent) but it still would not matter.... those people died in service to our nation and should never be mocked or mistreated..Nor should thier families.
I only wish there was some way to vindicate the Dead So their sacrifice would not be tarnished by a small group of naysayeers who feel otherwise.. this really irks me and im going to distribute copies of that article to every demicrit that I know, lucky there arent to many in SC
sorry for the long rant but im pissed!
#9
When a friend of mine was killed in Vietnam, his parents had to change their phone number because of the unbelievably vicious crank calls they received from peace scum. One of them even knew details of the condition of the body (mutilated, incomplete) and taunted the guy's mother about it.
I think part of the reason for the abuse and scorn heaped on the late Rachel Corrie was the familiarity many people, especially here, have with the actual tactics and attitudes of the "peace" movement and its degenerate adherents, as opposed to the standard big lies and denialism of their public face.
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I only wish there was some way to vindicate the Dead So their sacrifice would not be tarnished by a small group of naysayeers who feel otherwise
SC, no need - they don't need the approval of idjits like those discussed above. They made sacrifices these pinheads couldn't comprehend for causes they believed in, in their day. Retroactive revisionism isn't worth the spit used in saying it.
Posted by: Frank G ||
09/13/2004 21:36 Comments ||
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These protestors should have received the Apache "vehicle swarm" treatment - I'd munch a hotdog watching them bleed to death.
This brings to mind one of my favorite quotes, from John Stuart Mill:
" War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
Amen.
I am not a Texan. The Texans I have known would not put up with such crap. Here is a link to how Texans I have known would honor a fallen soldier
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LR
IIRC, the Book of Lists once rated Mill as the most intelligent person who ever lived. This was based on an analysis by some expert or other that put a high premium on intellectual achievements at an early age (Mill had mastered Latin and calculus by the time he was 6 years old).
#13
This type of crap is why I agree whole-heartedly with the policy of not releasing pictures of military caskets in transportation. Rumsfeld fielded a question on the policy at the National Press Club last Friday. Here is an excerpt that deals with the issue:
DONNELLY: This questioner writes, "Aren't you ashamed of your policy forbidding the flag-draped coffins of our dead soldiers to be shown returning home, when their families have clearly said that they do want their loved ones to be honored and recognized in this way?"
RUMSFELD: No. And I would just simply repeat that this is a procedure that was adopted by the Department of Defense many years ago, back in the last administration. I do not believe that the person asking the question is correct in saying that the -- clearly the families want it one way. The families, I believe, support the position of the Department of Defense when, back in the last administration, the policy was instituted. And I think that it's probably correct.
The families have every opportunity to handle the burial of their loved ones in any way they want, public or private, and they do that. And it seems to me it's not the government's right or position to make that decision for them.
Note: the origin of the policy was later correctly attributed to the administration of Bush 41 after the MSM used casket pictures for political purposes.
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Bloggers at this summer's political conventions brought heightened visibility to blogging, but the money, for most bloggers, is still missing. If you think those Web journals of opinions and obsessions are a way to get rich, consider Jeff Soyer, a self-described "gay gun nut" in Vermont. I'd rather not. Oh, what the hey.
Soyer, who runs the journal Alphecca.com, pleaded for donations last month alongside an image of a tip jar topped by gun-toting cartoon character Yosemite Sam. "Ten bucks buys a box of bullets or feeds my cats for a week," he wrote on the blog. Days passed and he received nothing. "By next week this domain could belong to a porno site," he subsequently posted. "Maybe you folks think that would be a better thing. I'm starting to think so, too." Only after other bloggers linked to his request did he receive enough donations to pay the $117 for a domain name and a year of Web hosting fees. He's not the only blogger not getting rich. This is a news flash, according to AP.
"There's a very tiny percentage of people who are making anywhere close to a living from blogs," said Sreenath Sreenivasan, professor of new media at Columbia University.
Andrew Sullivan, former editor of The New Republic, has a high-profile blog that takes American Express and PayPal payments and posts an address for checks or money orders. Bloggers point to Sullivan as the blogger most likely to be succeeding. No, he's the only LLL that's succeeding.
But Sullivan said in an e-mail he makes his living through freelance writing and speaking. "I've managed to pay all my expenses and an intern and give myself a minuscule salary, thanks to the generosity of my readers," he wrote. "I couldn't live off the blog alone, and I see no prospect of that happening in the near future, despite having one of the biggest audiences." The money that is in blogland goes to only a few. The usual Dummycrap zero-sum explanation of economics, which is 100% wrong.
Turner Broadcasting System Inc. and "The Manchurian Candidate" movie remake have advertised on a handful of blogs. and the self-respecting blogs didn't hesitate to criticize that crappy movie anyway
Nike hired blog company Gawker Media to produce a three-week blog this summer. Must have missed that one. What do they think of the terror wars?
Henry Copeland, owner of blogAds.com, said some of the bloggers he represents make $120,000 a year from ads - though he won't say how many - and that "dozens" make $1,000 a month. His clients include Glenn Reynolds, a law professor who writes a popular conservative blog called Instapundit.com, and Tucker Max, whose site features his own drunken exploits. Can't mention Reynolds without counterbalancing with the "drunken exploits" of some other guy. Conservatives, drunks, same difference. The two are equal, you see.
A handful of organizations have added paid bloggers to their staffs. Among the bloggers is 19-year-old Towson University student Brian Stelter, whose TVNewser.com blog about the television news business was bought this year by Mediabistro.com, a Web site that posts events and job listings for journalists. The money is "good, for a college student," said Stelter, who recently broke a story about MSNBC airing incorrect information from a satirical Web site. "It pays my tuition. For a living, it wouldn't work. I'm hoping I won't be blogging forever. I'm hoping to go into journalism, not blogging." Hello? McFly? You are PAID to blog. You ARE a paid journalist. Some people have no clue.
Meh. There is more if you care to read it.
If you're curious, Blogads has been paying Rantburg's hosting since I signed up with them, and there's $20-30 a month left over for my "salary." Most months the Amazon tip jar brings me a cool $25-30. That goes into the software fund. Pay Pal has been berry berry good to me, usually bringing in about $250 a month without me even having to ask for donations, which I hate to do. Prior to Blogads this was the hosting and hardware fund. Since .com kicked in for the new server, I can now piss most of it away on beer, which makes Rantburg both self-supporting and profit-making if you don't count the large number of hours frittered away dedicated by myself and the editors.
When I did have to ask for donations, by the way, Rantburgers came through. During the Iraq war, hosted on a low-priced (also low-bandwidth) server, we racked up $2300 in bandwidth overage charges over two months. I only had to kick in about $300 to pay that off, and then made that up the following month as the donations continued.
I've had only one offer to buy Rantburg, from a company in the UAE. They wanted to "incorporate it into their web portal." Rolling in money as I am, I was able to ignore the offer. I'll bide my time. I'm waiting for a major news organization to buy us unchanged and pay me (and the editors) fat salaries, so that I can quit my day job and do Rantburg full time.
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09/13/2004 9:50:07 AM ||
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I've had only one offer to buy Rantburg, from a company in the UAE. They wanted to "incorporate it into their web portal."
Interesting. For some reason I interpret that to mean "make it go away".
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09/13/2004 12:01 Comments ||
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I'm reading this and wondering if the author has ever conceived of people having hobbies.
You know, like plastic model airplanes or something?
Posted by: Phil Fraering ||
09/13/2004 12:02 Comments ||
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the problem with the blogosphere is that we do this stuff for FUN!
#5
I've read your comment, Fred, and, given my vast journalistic experience, I believe there is an oportunity for us to work together. As I will soon have additional time to devote to informing the public, I am seeking new venues from which to utilize my talents, and I can think of no better place to do so than Rantburg. Therefore, I am interested in acquiring Rantburg for a very attractive price. I can assure you that all discussions will remain confidential. I have never betrayed a confidential source.
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Who here would pay for links to snippets of expert, informed opinion? Who would provide same if he could be paid small sums for same?
Am thinking of an online info exchange in which price of info is determined by a market of bloggers who scan abstracts of the info and credentials offered by a universe of experts providing info on (florida election law)(proportional spacing)(dan rather's daughter's political activities in Austin TX)(the situation in Fallujah)etc etc. The goal is to link media sources of info with the bloggosphere's experts and to use the price mechanism to assign value to the info/opinions/expertise on offer.
For ex, take Charles J of LGF's remarks re the fonts, superscript etc: He would "offer" this to the exchange rather than LGF with an opening offer price of, say, $1,000. Publishers of all kinds-- AP or CBS or whoever (Rantburg?? Rove? WKRP in Cincinatti, whoever) could come to the exchange, check out a two-line abstract containing the subject matter, the causal argument, and Charles' relevant credentials. Publishers would then "bid" for access to the full info and to the provider's contact info, and the iterative process of bid/ask would eventually result in a fair market price.
Scams would be minimized by forcing all the "experts" offering info to disclose their credentials, emails, phone numbers to prospective buyers of the info prior to settlement of the trade, which would be announced to all participants as "Pending." If other prospective buyers see lots of "Pending" trades that fail to settle, they will likely conclude that the offerors' credentials and/or info is bogus, and the price of his proffered info will sink faster than Kmart.
Settlement would be by pay pal and transfer would consist of the full link, plus Charles J's contact info, being provided to the buyer. Any thoughts from Rantburgers are welcome-- email me.
#8
If you want to make a small fortune on Rantburg, start with a big one. Heh heh. People do not realize that weblogs are a work of dedication by their owners. I think that the neat thing is that people hit paypal and keep the RB site operational without being told. It is almost a financially self maintaining unit.
Posted by: Alaska Paul ||
09/13/2004 15:12 Comments ||
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pay me (and the editors) fat salaries
Ready, willing and able. Well, ready and willing at any rate.
Posted by: Steve ||
09/13/2004 16:05 Comments ||
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I suppose the Saudis would pay up big time for NOT posting...LOL
Perhaps the most important issue that the MSM fails to understand is"People ie. bloggers and commenters have the arrogance to publish their own thoughts, observations, and conclusions outside of the money stream which supports the old guard".
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09/13/2004 21:19 Comments ||
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Okay, I'll take $1,000 a month each from the Saudis and Iranians to not post comments about my strong desire to use nukes in the region, and I'll give half to Fred.
Posted by: Tom ||
09/13/2004 21:21 Comments ||
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Chris, I think you may be a bit doomed on this one. Bloggers don't pull their punches, making their posts too dangerous to take in-house if you're a corporate pogue. If some company did buy you out, they'd have to institute content control, thus killing the material.
Though I suppose they could just hang Rantburg off to the side of their portal, a kind of semi-supervised playground like Slate's Fray.
Still loses something in the translation, I think.
#14
I've been thinking that Rantburg might have a future in other media, though.
The bloggers at the Northern Alliance have expanded into occasional radio shows. I've been meaning to suggest that I think Fred and the rest of the editorial staff, plus some of the frequent posters around here (OldSpook, for instance, although if I started a longer list I'd be here a while) could do the same.
I think it would be a hell of a lot more interesting and informative than Steve Quayle and company.
Then again, I'm not suggesting this as something to be done more than once or twice a month. This would be a show more for analysis than breaking news.
What do y'all think?
Posted by: Phil Fraering ||
09/13/2004 22:51 Comments ||
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I'd be happy to do it - a lot of people tell me I've got a face meant for radio
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09/13/2004 22:55 Comments ||
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I donated lol hope that helps, And I stand for what "Rantburg" Means So If U Believe and rant then contribute May be blogs might get powerful if enough like minded people take a stand from the pocketbook of empowerment.. not saying that posting to blogs is empowerment but it shore feels good
But look who it is!
(Bernard Goldber)
Rather's voice started quivering, and he told me how in his young days, he had signed up with the Marines — not once, but twice!" This is not the first time Rather has hid behind the flag and his own military service claims to deflect criticism of his reporting, Burkett (Stolen Honor author) said. Burkett added that Rather is greatly exaggerating his record. First, Burkett says, Rather "misspoke" when he claimed he signed up for the Marines twice. He didn't. And Burkett is flabbergasted that Rather continues to proudly describe himself as a "Marine." Burkett notes that Rather "never got through Marine recruit training because he couldn't do the physical activity." (i.e. he failed out of boot camp!) From 2002
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B.G. Burkett, a military researcher, was co-chairman of the Texas Vietnam Memorial with President George Bush as Honorary Chairman. Mr. Burkett has been the object of an award-winning segment on ABC's "20/20," as well as much acclaimed articles in Texas Monthly and Reader's Digest. He is a graduate of Vanderbilt University and the University of Tennessee. Burkett also served in Vietnam with the 199th Light Infantry Brigade, and was awarded the Bronze Star Medal, Vietnamese Honor Medal, and Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry with Palm.
#2
HUH? Seems like the same guy to me.
B.G. Burkett, a military researcher, was co-chairman of the Texas Vietnam Memorial with President George Bush as Honorary Chairman. Mr. Burkett has been the object of an award-winning segment on ABCâs 20/20, as well as much acclaimed articles in Texas Monthly and Readerâs Digest. He is a graduate of Vanderbilt University and the University of Tennessee. He served in Vietnam with the 199th Light Infantry Brigade, and was awarded the Bronze Star Medal, Vietnamese Honor Medal, and Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry with Palm. He is the author of Stolen Valor: How the Vietnam Generation Was Robbed of Its Heroes and Its History. http://web.utk.edu/~csws/cf_2002_bios.htm
Here's another short bio of Burkett.
And so it begins...
The CBS/Viacom-Kerry campaign smear of Bush using obviously fraudulent documents puts CBS/Viacom in violation of federal election laws.
We are filing an emergency appeal to the Federal Election Commission urging immediate action to hold CBS/Viacom in violation of federal election law.
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There are also rumblings of sites being built to boycott CBS News Advertizers, and hit them with a email and snail-mail written complaint campaign
#2
From Michelle Malkin
I suggest asking CBS to immediately assemble an independent commission comprised of forgery experts. The commission should be given one week to determine whether it is more likely than not that the documents in question were forged. If CBS does not cooperate, a boycott against both CBS and its major advertisers should be organized.
Interview in The Los Angeles Times (registration required)
Marcel B. Matley, (CBS' document examiner) "said he had only judged a May 4, 1972, memo â in which Killian ordered Bush to take his physical â to be authentic. He said he did not form a judgment on the three other disputed memos because they only included Killian's initials and he did not have validated samples of the officer's initials to use for comparison."
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NYTimes Column by Saffire - money quote (per Beldar)
"Hey, Dan: On this, recognize the preponderance of doubt. Call for a panel of old CBS hands and independent editors to re-examine sources and papers. Courage."
(For the more memory impaired amongst us, "Courage" is how Rather closed his newscasts for a while when he was afield - its a rather mocking thing for Safire to say).
#6
Speaking of Beldar, last night he posted credentials of the lawyer-bloggers, including his own, that clearly show that CBS/Rather aren't dealing with moonbats.
Baldar finished with this remark: I'm highly confident that if we assembled together in a courtroom, the lawyer-bloggers currently "prosecuting" Dan Rather in the blogosphere could, collectively, match up just fine against any legal team CBS News chose to hire from any firm or firms anywhere in the country. And Dan â without being too self-righteous about it â we're kickin' your butt in the blogosphere, buddy. You guys can't even field a decent team in this arena.
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OS -
The commission idea is excellent, and would give CBS a chance at something resembling a dignified retreat. The problem is that any commisison would have Walter Cronkite on it, most likely at its head...and he has been openly anti-Bush. Cronkite had no problems using his bully pulpit 40 years ago to stab the men in vietnam in the back, and I dont think he'd have any problem doing it again here to insire a Bush defeat.
Mike
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It is a big mistake to take issues such as this to court. This is a political moral issue and should be settled in the court of public opinion. This is why we have fre political speech. People should be able to say whatever they want in an election campaign. Even Dan Rather. But you don't have to believe it. Boycotts are a great way to vote outside the poling place, but don't abridge freedom of speech. It'll come back to haunt you because the Democrats are better at pulling the levers of big government than the rest of us.
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if we assembled together in a courtroom, the lawyer-bloggers currently "prosecuting" Dan Rather in the blogosphere could, collectively, match up just fine against any legal team CBS News
Ha! Ha! Now that's a new development in the war against the lamestream media. I'm guessing the blogosphere could raise the money and easily win this case, even if the bloggers all showed up in their pajamas!
#11
So what exactly did Marcel B. Matley review when she determined the Vince Foster suicide note to be legit? Was it actually the note, or were other docs involved?
A multi-volume chronology and reference guide set detailing three years of the Mexican Drug War between 2010 and 2012.
Rantburg.com and borderlandbeat.com correspondent and author Chris Covert presents his first non-fiction work detailing
the drug and gang related violence in Mexico.
Chris gives us Mexican press dispatches of drug and gang war violence
over three years, presented in a multi volume set intended to chronicle the death, violence and mayhem which has
dominated Mexico for six years.
Rantburg was assembled from recycled algorithms in the United States of America. No
trees were destroyed in the production of this weblog. We did hurt some, though. Sorry.
