Dr.Steve,I am in desparte need of some medical advice.
Iâm hurtinâ,hurtin bad,the GP I have been seeing is telling me(Paraphrase)Your not in pain ,the pain is in your head.
Dr.Steve my hand hurts,bad and itâs not in my head.
I hope it is not to late for you to see this,if wish you can e-mail me or call me:w_r_manues@yahoo.com
(928) 467-2534
If you do not wish to be involved please drop me an e-mail and let me know.I will understand.
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Raptor - time to chg GP's - long distance diagnosis isn't the best...possibly a pinched nerve? I'm not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV, nor did I stay in a Holiday Inn, but I've had nerve pain, and it's not all in your head.
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Steve got the Army of Steves and now he's got to get the medical profession too!
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im sory hear that raptor and im hope you are feel beter soon. im not liking to hear peples are in pain.
sometimes my hands are cramp up something bad and it weird cuz you can see all the muscles aroung my fingers are get distorted and like shrively looking like bathtub hands. no one ever know why that is sometimes happen but it been happening for years.
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Ah, crap, I thought it was a joke too. I'm sorry Raptor, I hope you feel better soon.
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Raptor, I can't practice medicine over the net. Licensing, etc. doesn't allow that. My advice: try a different doc, perhaps a neurologist or an orthopedist, and listen to what they have to say. Best of luck, I do hope you get better.
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Raptor, if it is a nerve problem try traction. If its out of your neck you can get a home traction device for $25.00 that will left your head off your neck. If its out of your lower back try gravity boots or some other type of traction that will pull you legs off your spine. Though a good message may get you through the day you need to un-clamp that nerve to get out of pain.
If your hurting get ye to a physical therapist first.
Neurologist will be able to diagnose your problem but you need relief. Seek releif!
Or, as Forbes described KISS about eight years ago, "Five middle-aged men decide itâs time to save for retirement."
Duran Duran, who regrouped last year for a successful tour, are reuniting again -- this time, for a new album on a new record label. Didnât even know about that one. Did you guys gouge charge $80 a pop like everyone else is doing?
Lead singer Simon LeBon told The Associated Press that the band has almost finished working on the untitled disc, which will be released in the fall on Epic Records. It will mark the first time the original band members -- LeBon, John Taylor, Nick Rhodes, Roger Taylor and Andy Taylor -- have recorded an album together since 1983âs "Seven & the Ragged Tiger." And no, I do not have any of their albums!
Working together again has been seamless, LeBon said. "Itâs very similar to how it worked 20 years ago. Everybodyâs a little bit more open to how they feel about stuff." Like banging hot groupies?
The British pop quintet was among the biggest rock acts in the world in the early â80s, with hits including "Girls On Film," "Rio," "Hungry Like the Wolf" and "The Reflex." But they started going their own ways with side projects in 1985. Guitarist Andy Taylor and bassist John Taylor formed The Power Station with Robert Palmer; their hits included "Some Like It Hot" and "Get It On." LeBon, keyboardist Rhodes and drummer Roger Taylor recorded an album under the name Arcadia. About as successful as Tin Machine. Isnât Arcadia a national park in Maine?
By the late â80s, Roger Taylor and Andy Taylor had left Duran Duran entirely to count their royalties. The men reunited and starting recording new music in 2001, but only recently got a record deal. Shouldâve teamed up with Hasselhoff & Ice-T; wouldâve gotten a deal pronto (along with some nifty firearms!).
Theyâre working with producers Rich Harrison (who?), who has worked with superstars including Usher, Alicia Keys and Beyonce, as well as Don Gilmore, whoâs produced tracks for multiplatinum acts like Good Charlotte and Linkin Park. Linkin Park - that explains a lot...
LeBon says the band is not trying to copy the Europop sound that sold them millions of records. "I donât think it would work if we tried to repeat that," he said. Feathered hair is soooooo 80âs...
Yet at the same time, he said it was important for Duran Duran to keep enough of their own musical heritage so that their old fans could relate to their new music. In other words, they need a fan base!
"We wouldnât want to lose them by trying too hard by trying to connect with a new audience," he said. I saw Neil Young do his "Greenville" album last year before he released it. Never thought Iâd call his work lame, but there is was, in all its squalor. The rest of the concert (Crazy Horse, et. al) made up for it, though.
Whether or not the album clicks with listeners remains to be seen. But judging from the sold-out performances Duran Duran gave at venues last year -- where shrieking fans sang along with every word -- LeBon says he has "no doubt that we will get the attention when we release our stuff because I know thereâs a huge, huge demand for (new music)." And LeBon says the group is closer than ever -- even though they still have their disagreements. "Weâre like any people who get very close. Sometimes you argue with each other. But the fact is we inspire each other musically," he said. "Nobody else does it for me. Itâs just very special." One redeeming feature - like a George Michael crowd, lots and lots of eye candy. Hmmmmm...
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Hate the Lakers as well, now if Pistons fans could just refrain from burning the friggin town down....
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NBA basketball sucks. Go Pistons!
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man all the LA haters...great place to live though..can surf and ski (in the winter) same day..night life..and the women..no man wouldn't want to live in detroit!
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Frank G - Ever been to Detroit? That city could use a good burnin' down.
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Detroit: Why do we have to be good at the dumb sport?
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Dan - I've lived in San Diego all my life - we've got it ALL OVER LA (except for sports - hence the snide jealousy)! In regards to Detroit, urban renewal is great, but repeated burning-downs isn't going to encourage development and investment (just ask Compton or East St. Louis, or the liberalwing of the Donk party)
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A blind man drove a golf cart for two miles through the winding streets of Peachtree City, accompanied by his guide dog â and an inebriated friend giving instructions â before running into a parked car, police said. Nobody was hurt, but Samuel McClain, 35, of Stockbridge and Michael Johnston, 47, of Peachtree City were charged with reckless conduct "due to the blatant disregard for public safety," a police report said. The report said McClain was driving the cart Saturday while Johnston gave directions after having six or seven beers and "admittedly under the influence of alcoholic beverage." Also on the cart was McClainâs golden retriever guide dog.
See, here's the clincher: these guys were just listening to all the damned PSAs telling us how evil it is to drink and drive. The blind man took his friends keys -- just like the gubmint tells us to do -- and was the designated driver -- just like the gubmint tells us to do.
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RC: That makes so much sense it's scary.
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I know this guy, he is a total trip! I would ride anywhere with him.
LUEDENSCHEID - It was all a terrible mistake, but good testimony to her physical fitness: A German woman walked 100 kilometres home after she thought her husband had stranded her at a highway rest stop. Police in the central German city of Luedenscheid said Tuesday that the woman, returning to the family car at a highway rest stop, failed to find her husband or car. She thought her husband had simply left her there.
I'm thinking it must not have been a "happy" drive.
So she walked 100 kilometres back home, a trek lasting some 15 hours.
Now that is one pissed off Frau.
In the meantime, the husband and son had alerted police, who were just about to start searching for her with a helicopter when she showed up.
"Honey, I'm so happy you're....Ouch, that hurt!"
And it was all a mistake: The woman's husband was simply off helping another motorist repair his car at another part of the highway rest stop, explaining why the wife had failed to find him.
Ok, all you married guys, is this explaination gonna help him? Didn't think so.
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What we have here is a failure to communicate....
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It's gonna be a looong time before he'll be allowed into HER leiderhosen again...
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If she assumed he had just left her, then perhaps he's done it before.
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In my family it was the other way around, dad would get tired of listening to everyone's helpful hints and say the hell with it you drive Louise I'll see ya in awhile.
He'd park the car and hand over the keys and clear datum.
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Carl,
I'm impressed at her rate of travel. About 3 decades ago, as a Boy Scout, we would accomplish 20 miles or maybe a little more on a day's hike.
this caught my eye as I was about to toss last Sundayâs paper
Dear Heloise: Just a word of caution for anyone using foot spray around caged birds: We had our bird in a cage in our bedroom. Not thinking about it, my husband used a foot spray near the bed. Uh oh, I sense a train wreck about to happen...
When I went back into the room to vacuum, I noticed my little canary convulsing and dying on the bottom of the cage. The only thing it could have been from was the foot spray. Dunno about that, could have been the feet.
Remember gents: Dr. Scholl sez clear the room of housepets before spraying. Itâs common courtesy.
Funny, my wife does the same thing when I get ready to pull my shoes off at night.
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It's nothing but the olde Canary in the Coal Mine Effect. We must rediscover our heritage the hard way (on canaries everywhere).
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Funny, my wife does the same thing when I get ready to pull my shoes off at night.
When you walk past a supermarket's odor-eater display, do they sorta jump out at you?
When your pets are wiped out by your spouse's personal hygiene products."
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This is why you can't use canaries to detect a chemical attack. For all you know the enemy could have just been spraying you with foot disinfectant.
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We cats like canary meat. How dare than man ruin perfectly good prey by poisoning the bird with foot spray!
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Pretty long, and I think we ran it before, but still worth reading. The point:
People grow angry when faced with an intractable dilemma; they lash out. Whenever I have described in print the cruelties my young Muslim patients endure, I receive angry replies: I am either denounced outright as a liar, or the writer acknowledges that such cruelties take place but are attributable to a local culture, in this case Punjabi, not to Islam, and that I am ignorant not to know it.
But Punjabi Sikhs also arrange marriages: they do not, however, force consanguineous marriages of the kind that take place from Madras to Morocco. Moreoverâand not, I believe, coincidentallyâSikh immigrants from the Punjab, of no higher original social status than their Muslim confrÚres from the same provinces, integrate far better into the local society once they have immigrated. Precisely because their religion is a more modest one, with fewer universalist pretensions, they find the duality of their new identity more easily navigable. On the 50th anniversary of Queen Elizabethâs reign, for example, the Sikh temples were festooned with perfectly genuine protestations of congratulations and loyalty. No such protestations on the part of Muslims would be thinkable.
But the anger of Muslims, their demand that their sensibilities should be accorded a more than normal respect, is a sign not of the strength but of the weaknessâor rather, the brittlenessâof Islam in the modern world, the desperation its adherents feel that it could so easily fall to pieces. The control that Islam has over its populations in an era of globalization reminds me of the hold that the Ceausescus appeared to have over the Rumanians: an absolute hold, until Ceausescu appeared one day on the balcony and was jeered by the crowd that had lost its fear. The game was over, as far as Ceausescu was concerned, even if there had been no preexisting conspiracy to oust him.
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islam is just another totalitarian ideology, that will crumble and take it's place on the ash heap of history.....along with all the other dumbass ideologies that have come along. You know the smelly stuff that sticks to the bottom of your shoe, when you step in a pile of dogshit? That is islam. That is muhammad, That is allah, (known to some here, as allan).
ANYONE who says he/she is a muslim, is a stupid son-of-a-bitch. It's only a matter of time, before it's "open season" on 'em. I can't wait!!!
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Yeah, yeah, Pete, slither back into yer hole.
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Shabina Begum had wanted to wear a full-length jilbab gown
A 15-year-old girl has lost her High Court battle to wear a style of Islamic dress to school. Shabina Begum has been out of her Luton school since September 2002 in a row over her wish to wear an ankle-length jilbab gown. She said her religious rights and education were being denied. But Denbigh High School said the jilbab was a health and safety risk, and it already offered an alternative uniform for its Muslim pupils. The long gown is worn by some Muslim women who seek to cover their arms and legs, but not faces or hands. Outside court, the schoolâs solicitor Iqbal Javed said the uniform had been agreed after wide consultation and the focus would now be on readmitting Shabina to school.
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"The uniform is designed to be inclusive and takes into account the cultural and sensitive needs of the pupils," he said. "Its appropriateness for Muslim students was recently reiterated by the local Council of Mosques. Naturally we are pleased the council and school has been successful. We now want to concentrate our efforts on reintegrating Shabina Begum back into school as quickly as possible to prevent any further loss to her school career."
There was no immediate comment from lawyers for Shabina.
Denbigh is a 1,000-pupil comprehensive where almost 80% of pupils are Muslim.
Human rights claim
Lawyers had told the court it had a flexible school uniform policy which took into account all faiths and cultures and was not acting in a discriminatory manner. The case echoed controversy in France, where politicians have voted for a ban on religious symbols in schools, including the hijab, the headscarf worn by Muslim girls and women.
Shabinaâs solicitor-advocate Yvonne Spencer had told the High Court the schoolâs ban on her chosen Islamic dress amounted to "constructive exclusion" and breached both domestic law and the European Convention on Human Rights. But Simon Birks, appearing for the school, said Shabina had not been excluded but had chosen to stay away. Muslim girls could wear an alternative uniform option of the traditional shalwar kameez trousers and jerkin outfit but the jilbab presented a health and safety risk, he said.
Notable that this is an 80% muslim school - it only takes one nobber to spoil things for the majority - if sheâd succeeded I wonder how many other girls would have been forcibly âJilbabbedâ by their families? Funny how the lawyer representing the school was presumably muslim and the familyâs was presumably English. Check out the range of Jilbabs at Islamic Boutique - I personally like the look of the âLuxurious Jilbabâ for a forthcoming stag-do. They do welcome wholesale orders and who knows - they may throw in a fez or a pair of antlers.
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LOL Howard, that site's a hoot. Did you see under 'Islamic Games' you can play hangman? The little screaming hanging man (an apostate, presumably) is also on fire, cos he didn't know the names of Allah... Cute!
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Good Heavens, here's the literal bottom line from the CD ad.... (*) Some in the media have kicked up a fuss over this game. It seems that the media is silent when they, the zionists, use their tanks to slaughter our children but when our children play a shoot-em up game where they shoot zionist tanks in return for correct answers we are accused of training terrorists and instilling hatred towards Jews! On the contrary the questions in the game educate children not to fall for the zionist lie that zionism, jewishness and Judaism are synonymous but to understand that zionism, a racist ideology, has nothing to do with Judaism - one of the questions in the history/politics section asks "What is the difference between a Jew and a zionist?".
Im bet Gentle probably made it o the last level on this shooter.
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You make a good point, Howard. This particular dress-code dispute takes place in a social environment that intends to restrict rather than broaden the freedom of girls. Allowing this one girl to dress in this extremely covered and Moslem manner would eventually exert social pressure on the other girls to follow suit. Some disputes about dress codes are very different than other disputes about dress codes.
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Wonder if Shabina will be back in court soon demanding her rights to an anesthesia-free clitorectomy/infibulation procedure.
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Quite the site, Howard. The Khimar was definitely a fashion statement. It must have taken its inspiration from a sand blasting hood.
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Mwaaahahaha!
I just checked out the Islamic Boutique and is it me or does every "jilbab" look EXACTLY the sam ie dull, unattractive?
But that isn't the worst. Did anyone check out the Islamic Games section of the site. This is just too rich. There are two games. One is a quiz and the other one is HANGMAN! Lmao. Have to see to believe. The hangman graphic actually flames, I guess since the normal plain way of drawing it wasn't barbaric enough for Muslim tastes or something.
You have to start early if you want a successfully brainwashed little uniformist who would only be too happy to dress in the exact same sacks as all the other girls!
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#4 You make a good point, Howard. This particular dress-code dispute takes place in a social environment that intends to restrict rather than broaden the freedom of girls. Allowing this one girl to dress in this extremely covered and Moslem manner would eventually exert social pressure on the other girls to follow suit. Some disputes about dress codes are very different than other disputes about dress codes.
I believe that this is the same line of reasoning used by French authorities in banning both religious garb and symbols from schools. While I usually oppose infringement upon the right to religious practices, this rationale made eminent sense.
Amen, dude. I couldn't agree more which is why I oppose our public schools allowing Muslim girls to wear their scarves. I hate to pick on little Muslim girls (which is probably why they are used to challenge dress codes in court) but I never forget that Turkey which is a 99% Muslim country has also banned Islamic dress in any public institution because they know from long experience that when Islamic dress is allowed at all, overwhelming pressure is then brought to bear on those who aren't as 'obedient' to also wear the dress often against their own personal conscience.
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It is completely inexcusable that these Islamoturds are pairing early learning and games activities with their sick political aims. Didn't Hitler have something similar? A "club" for boys and girls.
The hangman "game" certainly reminded me of the Fallujah bridge.
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Abdul Bari, deputy leader of the Muslim Council of Britain said the High Court's "landmark decision" was "very worrying and objectionable".
"The British Muslim community is a diverse community in terms of the interpretation and understanding of their faith and its practice," said Dr Bari.
"Within this broad spectrum those that believe and choose to wear the jilbab and consider it to be part of their faith requirement for modest attire should be respected."
The Muslim Council of Britain is a disgrace - whilst having been forced into making a piecemeal statement denouncing terrorist acts in the UK we can see that their ultimate aim is to have women educated in burkhas - let the children grow up normally and we may gain some form of understanding between faiths. I hope that the UK follows the French model in years to come and not fall prey to the culturally domineering MCB.
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Fidel Castroâs cynicism apparently knows no bounds. Recently at a conference in Havana for Cubans living abroad, regime spokesmen claimed that they were dedicated to reuniting Cubaâs divided families and blamed the United States for impeding this process.
Given that deception and manipulation are Castroâs stock in trade, it is important to set the record straight.
The mandate of President Bushâs Commission for Assistance to a Free Cuba was to provide recommendations on how the United States can (1) help the Cuban people bring about an expeditious end to the dictatorship and (2) assist a free Cuban government meet its humanitarian and reconstruction challenges, if requested.
As the commission looked at new means to hasten a transition, it identified six interrelated tasks: empowering Cuban civil society, reducing financial flows to the regime, undermining the regimeâs ââsuccession strategyââ (i.e., from Fidel to Raúl Castro), breaking the regimeâs blockade of information to the Cuban people, increasing public diplomacy efforts abroad to counter Cuban propaganda and encouraging multilateral efforts to challenge the Cuban regime.
We found that Castro had built an elaborate apparatus to profit enormously from the humanitarian aspects of the U.S. policy on Cuba. Although family visits may be undertaken with the best of intentions by Cubans abroad, Castroâs dollar-devouring mechanisms have turned such visits into an important component of this massive profiteering.
Unwilling to permit open-market activities that would free the productive energies of the Cuban people, the regime has chosen instead to exploit this source of foreign exchange through its control of charter flightsâ access to the island, its dollar stores (designed to capture cash brought into Cuba) and the numerous fees that it charges travelers. The commission estimated that the regime was able to generate close to $100 million in hard currency through family visits to the island in 2003.
In short, the policy has had the effect of lining the pockets of Castro and his repressive elite, and it facilitated the ability of some Cubans in the United States to effectively ââcommuteââ between the United States and Cuba primarily for economic reasons.
This cynical manipulation of Cubaâs divided families allows Castro to divert scarce resources to maintain his grip on power and free him from his obligations to meet the basic needs of the Cuban people. Dollars and donated goods, although provided with good intentions by U.S. persons, are in fact helping to keep afloat the Castro regime.
On this question, the commission tried to strike a balance between enabling Cubans to reasonably assist immediate relatives in Cuba and reducing the regimeâs manipulation of family visits to generate hard currency. This produced the recommendation of one visit every three years to visit immediate family, a reduction in the amount of cash that a person may carry for expenses while traveling in Cuba and limiting the length of stay to 14 days.
Measures to alleviate the hardships of a portion of the Cuban population -- including cash remittances of $100 a month and gift parcels of unlimited food quantities as well as $200 a month in medicines and medical supplies -- remain largely intact.
In the end, what the United States seeks is the reunification of all Cuban families in a free Cuba. We want Cuban families to be free of the fear, intimidation and manipulation that are the hallmarks of Castroâs tenure in power. We cannot succeed in this effort without the support of Cubans living in exile. The time has long since passed for Cuba to retake its rightful place in the democratic community of nations, befitting itslong history of struggle for freedom.
Roger F. Noriega is assistant secretary of state for Western Hemisphere affairs.
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BEIJING Some compare it to a globe severed at the equator. To others it resembles a phosphorescent egg floating in a crystal sea. One prominent Beijing architect said that when the desert dust kicks up around Beijing, lathering the expansive glass dome in a pall of gray grime, it resembles nothing so much as dried dung. But the most apt analogy for Chinaâs $300 million National Theater, now approaching completion in the political heart of Beijing near Tiananmen Square, may be a hot potato.
The French architect, Paul Andreu, has come under investigation in France, and intensive scrutiny in China, after a new terminal he designed at Roissy-Charles de Gaulle Airport in Paris collapsed, killing four people, two of them Chinese.
more ...
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Some compare it to a globe severed at the equator. To others it resembles a phosphorescent egg floating in a crystal sea.
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Anyone rememberthese good old days?
In the many tributes to Reagan of the past few days I was struck by Colin Powell's reference to how, in the early 1980s, US military officers employed by the Pentagon often came to work in civilian clothing â as if their military identity needed to be hidden. This was symbolic of the self-doubt felt by many Americans.
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Of course, Reagan's greatest legacy will be the role he played in the implosion of the Soviet empire.. . .
D-Day as covered by todayâs media
By William J. Tobin - editor of The Anchorage Times
Hereâs how todayâs media might have covered D-Day, 60 years ago:
Off the coast of France, June 6, 1944:
Hundreds of paratroopers have fallen wide of their target zone. (In Washington, the Senate Armed Services Committee is demanding an explanation. The Army chief of staff may be called to testify.)
The French village of Cerville has been destroyed by mortar fire from a U.S. infantry platoon. Four civilians were killed, including one elderly great-grandmother. German defenders had retreated hours before the American attack. Army intelligence failures are cited.
NBC Exclusive: Four bombs dropped by 8th Air Force
raiders failed to explode when they fell in an empty field close to the village of Le Challimond. An examination indicates the duds came from an Iowa
munitions factory. An unidentified Army corporal said additional defective bombs may already be aboard other U.S. bombers heading for France.
Thousands of American casualties were suffered today as troops poured on shore at Omaha Beach. (In Washington, a Nebraska congressmen charged that many
GIâs were unprepared for what they encountered during the invasion. "Somebody needs to be held accountable," he said.)
Heavy Navy shelling from battleships and cruisers had little effect on Nazi gun emplacements raining fire on U.S. forces, several correspondents at the scene
reported. (In Washington, a World War I veteran interviewed by a reporter questioned the value of troop support by warships, saying "the days of naval involvement in battles is long past.")
CBS Exclusive: Bombs falling on the tiny French village of Entierier killed all four cows on which residents depend for milk and cheese. Severe shortages are feared unless U.S. forces can replace the animals by next week.
A 411-year-old church in the village of Marsuiles was destroyed by Army artillery fire after a German sniper was detected shooting from the bell tower. The Vichy French government mayor of the town protested to advancing GIâs, saying the sniper surely would have ceased firing had the American soldiers asked him to do so. He demanded an apology from Gen. Omar Bradley.
A river near the French coast has been contaminated by fuel leaking from two disabled tanks that advancing GIâs pushed over the side of a bridge. French puppet civic leaders questioned the need to clear the bridge by such drastic action, saying it appeared soldiers could have climbed over the wreckage had it been left in place. Correspondents were denied an interview by the young Army captain commanding troops in the area.
CBS Exclusive: American forces bogged down in the hedgerows of the French countryside have been calling for reinforcements to help escape withering German fire. Communication problems, however, have left commanders on the beach unaware that some of their troops are in a desperate situation. It makes you wonder whether their training was adequate - or even if there was any training at all.
On the home front:
As first battle reports indicated heavy casualties on Omaha Beach, a Republican leader addressing a Republican rally in Bloomington, Ind., told a group of somber Hoosiers that the invasion losses are evidence that President Roosevelt is incompetent. The Indiana congressional delegation responded by saying it would begin bipartisan hearings to see whether Roosevelt had concealed information that the invasion would be more costly than expected.
In a panel discussion broadcast by NBC Radio, four White House correspondents provided illuminating insight into the difficulties being encountered by Allied forces in France. Jeremy Jeffords, Washington Bureau chief of a small Midwest newspaper, said, "The decision to start the invasion this early in June is open to severe criticism. Gen. Eisenhower and his planners apparently failed to take into account that delaying this assault until August would have found much of the French population on a holiday and thus removed from the path of the fighting."
In Chicago, the Rev. Blakely Elmera, a noted peace activist, deplored the violence taking place on the French battlefields. "Apparently our government in Washington gave no thought to the possibility of negotiating with German leaders in an effort to resolve their differences," he said. "We seem to be blindly following Churchillâs affection for war." In London, the British prime minister lit a new cigar and declined to respond.
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Heh, if D-Day took place today, the media would declare it a quagmire after one lousy day.
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LOL.
I'll bet they'd be wondering why there were no Marine Divisions in the assault. I'd like to think that Admiral King would have explained it in a way the senators could understand.
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If the press covered D-Day like the cover modern wars, we would mark June 7th as "The Day the Traitors Burned".
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So where was the multi-national force on D-Day? The US was only supported by Britain and a couple of other pip-squeek nations. We should not have attacked without UN support and the support of France, Germany and Austria! America is such a terrible aggressor! :)
TWISTED: LA Times Poll Had Sample With 38% Democrats, 25% Republicans
Tue Jun 15 2004 10:13:47 ET
Sen. John Kerry "has taken big lead," according "to an L.A. Times poll."
But the Times poll that showed Kerry "beating Bush by 7 points" has created a controversy over whether the poll's sample accurately reflects the population as whole, ROLL CALL reports on Tuesday.
"Not counting independents, the Times' results were calculated on a sample made up of 38 percent Democrats and 25 percent Republicans -- a huge and unheard-of margin," ROLL CALL claims.
Developing...
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LA Times polls have been under fire for major inaccuracies for a while.They had 1 poll shortly before Calif.recall that had Dem.Gov. Davis ahead of Arnold.
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given the fire they caught in the recall, this is a deliberate effort to push Kerry, with hopes their methods wouldn't be noticed....maggots
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BOSTON --The Romney administration called Tuesday for Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry to resign while he runs for president, saying heâs had an abysmal attendance record since launching his campaign last year and is not adequately representing his constituents. Lt. Gov. Kerry Healey, a Republican, said Kerry has missed 64 percent of last yearâs roll call votes and 87 percent this year, including a vote on banning Internet child pornography. He also missed a vote on extending unemployment insurance benefits, which was defeated by one vote. "Itâs not fair, itâs not right and the public is not being well-served," said Healey, who said she was acting on behalf of Gov. Mitt Romney. "Iâm calling on John Kerry to resign so that we can fill that office with someone who is 100 percent devoted to the job of representing the people of Massachusetts."
A spokesman for the Kerry campaign did not immediately return calls seeking comment. Kerry, who is to receive the Democratic nomination for president at next monthâs national convention in Boston, said in February that he had no plans to resign his Senate seat. Under current state law, the governor would appoint someone to fill the remainder of Kerryâs term, which is set to expire in 2008 heh heh - beyond the politix, Mass. voters should have adequate representation, no?
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any comments Raj?
Posted by: Frank G ||
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Romney administration calls for Kerry to resign?
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An honorable person who becomes a candidate should resign in order to better serve his or her constituants.
A self-serving s.o.b. will not resign because he or she does not want the opposition party to appoint the successor senator.
No matter what one does, one will not achieve one's goals without losing on something.
Kerry took the low ground and is trying to get it all. In doing so, he violated his trust with his electorate in Mass by playing hookey from the Senate (excused or not, it is screwing the voters). This situation shows the kind of person Kerry is.
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The DNC convention is gonna be one giant lovefest, eh?
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As I said a few weeks ago, I think Skerry is hedging his bets. If he does lose this November he will still be a Senator. He was one of the Senators who called for Bob Dole's resignation and now he won't do the same. I'll bet he hasn't returned any of his salry, either.
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Methinks that would be ma'am, Raj
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I think as far as he will go is to promise show up to at least 5 votes next year.
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats ||
06/15/2004 21:28 Comments ||
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Oh, please!
If Kerry gives up his senate seat for a republican govenor to appoint his successor, and no doubt a republican replacement, Kerry "turns his back" on his party and its ideals, by giving the Senate one more, "unelected," seat. Should he do that? After all, he was elected by the voters. More than I can say for our "selected" president.
Bob Dole resigned Knowing a conservative replacement would take over for him.
Let's face it; we're absolutely talking apples and oranges here.
The man was elected and if his constituants are not clamoring for his resignation, and they're not, then he should NOT resign.
Period.
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Hey Anon, you think if the shoe were on the other foot the media and Dems wouldn't be screaming for the candidate's resignation? Right. Do you think the guy is doing his job? Right. And how would the people of Massachusetts best make their voice heard? Support from the media? Right.
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Kerry is not the first politician to keep his present job while campaigning for an "upgrade," nor should he be. We all keep our present jobs while looking for another.
Plenty of GOP new-job seekers have kept their job(s) in the past, as well they should. They were elected to the post.
This is just another obstacle a worried opposing party throws into the mix to see if it sticks.
Let's face it, this is just bulls#%t.
Let's get on with some honest politicking based on differences between the parties and candidates and let the voters decide.
Cries of resignation and such are just ways to deflect from real issues.
On Monday evening in New York, a graying, sixtyish man is sitting before his television set, a drink in one hand, a stogie in the other. Heâs watching Ronald Reaganâs family as they accompany his flag-draped coffin into the Reagan Presidential Library. As uniformed pallbearers gently lower the casket, his family, the media, and the soldiers who will guard the late president during his last public hours watch in absolute, reverential silence. It is a powerful and poignant moment.
Moments later, television cameras reveal a vast parking lot jammed with thousands of cars; their owners are waiting in line to board the bus that will take them to the Library to pay their final respects. More than a hundred thousand others are expected to do the same when the casket lies in state in the Capitol Rotunda before the 40th President is finally laid to rest on Friday, at sunset, in his beloved California.
It was be a sad week for the millions of Americans who loved and admired Reagan. But one cannot help thinking thatâapart from Reaganâs family--the week was saddest of all for this man who watched events unfold from his New York home. He watched the outpouring of love and respect, hearing the stories of Reaganâs humor, his integrity, loyalty and leadershipâand one imagines his fingers curling into a frustrated fist. At the confident assertions that Reagan will be remembered as one of the greatest presidents of the 20th century, one pictures this man cursing in fury before leaping up to pour himself another drink.
Of course, he may not be doing anything of the kind. But you have to wonder: What have the last few days been like for Bill Clinton? He would scarcely be human if he did not observe the respect and adulation that is Ronald Reaganâs legacy, and wonder how his own funeral will play out. What stirring lines from his famous speeches will be recalled? What great moments in his presidency will be shown over and over again? Which of his former aides will be rushed onto cable news shows, and what stories will they tell?
Bill Clinton is surely asking himself those questions this week--and one cannot help thinking that the answers are giving him heartburn.
Take the matter of public utterances. The single most memorable line from the Reagan era, repeated hundreds of times since Saturday, is Reaganâs famous challenge to the head of what was then the Evil Empire: âMr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!â What single, memorable line will we always associate with Bill Clinton? I put this question to my 15-year-old, a boy born at the end of Reaganâs reign and, and who has lived more than half his life under Clinton. He grinned and affected a Clintonesque drawl: âI did not have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinsky!â
And then thereâs matter of foreign policy achievements. Commentators are crediting Reagan for playing a significant role in ending the Cold War. Clinton also pressed a number of foreign policy initiatives, and I invited my kids to name one. My 18-year-old furrowed his brow. âDidnât he bomb an aspirin factory in Sudan?â he asked.
Well, yesâhe did, but if thatâs the first thing that arrives in the mind of the next generationâthe generation that will write the first serious history of the Clinton era--somebody had better get Bill another drink.
It gets worse. Since the hour of Reaganâs death, no event in his life, great or small, has escaped media scrutiny. Correspondents are recalling how Reagan snatched Grenada from Communist hands, his love for jelly beans, and the fact that once, during his Hollywood days, he shared top billing with a chimp. Bill Clinton, by contrast, will be remembered for his failure to snatch bin Laden, his love of pretty interns, and for the fact that he was once impeached.
Every presidency has its famous photos, and Reagan is no exception. In the hours after his death, the press trotted out pictures of Reagan in jeans and a cowboy hat, riding his horse at the ranch; Reagan at the Brandenburg Gate, Reagan on the cliffs of Pointe du Hoc, reminding the world what the Greatest Generation did for us. When Clinton dies, I am betting we will see, over and over again, what is arguably the most famous picture of his presidency: That of the president being hugged by a dark-haired girl wearing a beret.
When former presidents die, we recall, not only their deeds, but the deeds of their wives. Nancy Reagan is being remembered this week as an intensely loyal wife who adored her husband and did her best to protect him. By contrast, Bill Clintonâs wife will be remembered for throwing ashtrays at him when she got mad, and whose lust for power outstripped her husbandâs lust for interns. During the long twilight years of Reaganâs suffering, Nancy lovingly nursed her husband. One somehow cannot imagine Hillary devoting 10 years of her life caring for an ailing Bill Clinton.
Last week, the networks noted that Ronald Reagan said what he meant and meant what he said. He called the former Soviet Union the âevil empireâ because it was evil. By contrast, the man who once told a grand jury âIt depends on what the meaning of the word âisâ isâ will be remembered for the most creative dissembling in presidential history.
Reagan is remembered for governing by a set of long-held principles; Clinton will be remembered for governing by the latest poll. Reaganâs aides recall his unfailing courtesy; Reminiscing Clinton staffers will likely recallâwith a shudder--the way their boss screamed obscenities at them when things went wrong. Reagan took great care in his personal appearance; Clinton will be forever remembered for the way he looked in running shorts.
Both Reagan and Clinton will be remembered for waging ferocious wars: Reagan on an evil power that enslaved millions, and Clinton on unborn babies.
Reagan and Clinton do have a few things in common. Both set prisoners freeâReagan, the millions enslaved by communism; Clinton, a colorful assortment of crooks on his last day in office.
Reagan is being remembered as âThe Great Communicator,â a term that symbolizes the success of his Administration. Clinton will be rememberedâin the words of a London wagâas âBonking Bill,â a nickname that symbolizes both his moral failures and his failed presidency.
And this is the reason we ought, at the passing of Ronald Reagan, to spare a thought or two for Bill Clinton. In a few months, we will hold a presidential election. Reagan and Clinton remind us that character really does matterâthatâcontrary to what we are often told--personal moral shortcomings are directly and critically related to public behavior. Character is why, when it comes to Reagan, Americans automatically think âstrength and service.â The lack of character is why, when we remember Clinton, we think âsex and scandal.â Character is why Reagan is remembered for tremendous achievements that benefited millions at home and abroad; Clintonâs presidency will be forever remembered for a series of tawdry events that almost toppled his presidency and tarnished our nation.
When we tell the stories of the next president, when we play back the soundbites of his or her administration, will we summon up a legacy of arrogance and abuse, or one of decency and distinction?
As for that man sitting in New York, nursing his drinkâthere are many who think he escaped his rightful punishment for the various and sundry felonies he committed. They should relax: Retribution arrived this week in the form of having to watch tributes to a very great leaderâaccolades he knows will never come his way.
On the day of his death, this man will remembered, in large part, for his scandals and failures. But a hundred years from now, even the scandals will be largely forgotten. Like James Polk, Zachary Taylor, and Grover Cleveland, William Jefferson Clinton will become a forgotten footnote of history, a president Americans must strain to remember.
And for a man likely to live several more decadesâthis historical payback is the worst punishment of all.
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Forget Clinton, imagine what Carter must have been thinking all week. Every mention of how Reagan pulled the economy out of the mess it was in is a backhanded slap at Carter. Every comment on how the Soviets had peeked in their expansion before Reagan rolled them back is a direct punch in the gut to Carter.
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Damn what Carters catch phrase gonna be?
"Lower your thermostats to 60 at night and consider the purchase of a fine alpaca sweater such as I am wearing"
Naw...
I am a have the joy joy joy joy down in my loins
down in my loins.....
EFL
Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.), dismissing economic and jobs growth as too little, too late, will step up his campaign accusing President Bush of saddling the middle class with lower wages and higher costs for health care, education and gasoline, top advisers said yesterday. With polls showing voters unhappy with Bushâs economic stewardship,
[this is true, polls frequently show people unhappy with the economy even in good times and it takes several months for economic recovery to be perceived on main street - the economy was recovering during the late summer and early fall before Bush 41 lost to Clinton largely because of economic issues]
Kerry will spend the remainder of June [but by Sept or Oct this may be a losing argument]
arguing that the presidentâs policies have left most voters -- and the country -- in worse financial shape.
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Kerry's arguments will just be another case of "round up the usual suspects".
Nothing to see here, move along.
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I have a pager that I carry for my job, and I get news thru their Datacast system.
One of today's headlines said "Kerry, trying to blunt good news on jobs, says Bush not doing enough to help the middle class." (emphasis mine)
This is significant to me because the Datacast "news" is normally just quick blurbs with the usual headlines you would find in the papers or on TV - biased throughout and a "blurred" line between LLL opinion and factual reporting.
I found it fascinating that mainstream reporting agencies are taking shots at Kerry like this. How much of a piece of crap is Kerry for his own booster club the mainstream press to openly criticize his inept campaign? I love it.
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Didn't these morons learn their lesson with Mondale, that depressing misery-merchant? Apparently not.
Posted by: Dave D. ||
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Ahhh Mucky, sometimes the facade slips, eh?
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CNN has an article today on the increase in new millionaires at: http://money.cnn.com/2004/06/15/pf/millionaires/index.htm
If Kerry wants to play the class war game (which I think is what his advisor Shrum wants him to play), he can say 'well, see the Bush ecomomy is just helping the rich'. Of course this is nonsense but it might play in the short run if enough of the media buy into it.
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Kerry is trying EVERY ANGLE to build support; this is just one of many. I don't know much about Kerry as a leader, but I know one thing that will never allow me to vote for him: his belief that we needed to get the international community's permission to enforce the UN resolutions against Hussein and his subsequent denegration of the US for keeping its word.
I don't beg for friends, nor should any American with an ounce of self-esteem. Anyone who has lived a while on this earth knows what happens when you beg someone to be a friend (or lover or employer); their respect for you is immediately diminished. Our friends will reveal themself in time in this war and its aftermath. We should make note of who is who and let Kerry pretend all "friends" are equal.
excerpted from State Department Daily Press Briefing.
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QUESTION: Just want to understand how the State Department didnât realize that the info from the CIA about the global terror report was so wrong.
MR. BOUCHER: The numbers are put together by the Terrorist Threat Information CenterI think he meant Terrorist Threat Integration Center, which is an interagency group. Itâs headed by the Central Intelligence Agency and a number of different agencies work there, and these are the authorities on terrorism issues. So we -- they are the ones who put the numbers forth to us.
Now, I think part of your question is why didnât we see these numbers and say, "Hey, that canât be right." I donât know what the answer is to that and, frankly, that is one of the things the Secretary wants to try to get to the bottom of as well. How did we get these numbers and how come the numbers are wrong and how come we didnât question them around here? But I think thatâs a question that doesnât have an answer yet, and we recognize that there are two elements to coming out with the wrong numbers, as we did.
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QUESTION: Heâs certainly made clear how displeased he is at what happened here. Given how embarrassing it was and how wrong it was, is there a process looking into whether peopleâs careers should be affected by having contributed to this mistake?
MR. BOUCHER: What we first need to do is to get the right numbers, determine what was missing and how the things went wrong in the last set of numbers, and I think appropriate conclusions will be drawn based on what we find out.
QUESTION: If I understood the Secretary correctly, I think he told ABC yesterday that there was going to be a meeting today involving various agencies to look at this. Has that meeting taken place? Whatâs it looking at? Whereâs it meeting?
MR. BOUCHER: It hasnât taken place yet. Heâll be meeting later this afternoon -- I think itâs 2:15 or something like that -- with the head of the Terrorist Threat Information Center, Mr. [John]Brennan, who is coming over, I think, with some of his people, and then some of the people in the building. And the purpose is, as he explained over the weekend, to try to get to the bottom of the errors, figure out how quickly we can get the correct information available and out to the public, and make whatever determinations are necessary to correct this mess.
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QUESTION: Can you tell us whether INR is involved or was involved in looking at the data when it came in, or did the data just come straight from the Terrorist Threat Integration Center and go straight to the Counterterrorism Coordinatorâs Office?
MR. BOUCHER: Iâm not sure to what extent INR is involved. It does go straight from them to the Counterterrorism -- to our Counterterrorism Coordinatorâs Office. But whether INR is involved out there or back here after it gets here, I donât know.
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QUESTION: Richard, if I understand, you donât exactly know what the errors were?
MR. BOUCHER: I think we have -- we have two -- we have indications that there are two major sources for the numbers being wrong, one being that they did not count the last, essentially the last two months almost of the year. For some reason they cut off the counting at November 10th. And second of all, that --
QUESTION: November 10th or 11th?
MR. BOUCHER: Yes, something around there.
QUESTION: I just want to help you get this right. Itâs --
MR. BOUCHER: No, I do want to get this right -- around November 10th or 11th. Let me rephrase that. I appreciate that.
Second of all, it appears that the classification of significant and non-significant incidents, and the counting of non-significant incidents was done differently this year than it had been in previous years and that incidents that didnât necessarily cause death or casualties were not counted this year, whereas they had been in the past.
QUESTION: Do you know -- can you give me --
MR. BOUCHER: There may be other reasons. There may be more detailed explanations of why some of these things happened.
QUESTION: Is there a specific example you can point to at the moment of one of these?
MR. BOUCHER: Well, Iâd just point out that that in November and December there were several very significant and terrible attacks that occurred resulting in large numbers of casualties, including the bombings in Turkey that apparently were not counted.
QUESTION: Okay, and -- but to the best of your knowledge, there is no -- none of the errors revolved around the definition that you used for terrorist attacks --
MR. BOUCHER: No.
QUESTION: -- and accounting, perhaps, attacks against U.S. military personnel?
MR. BOUCHER: No. Apparently not. Let me put it that way. We wonât be able to say for sure until we really have gotten to the bottom of it and made every possible determination.
QUESTION: Did I understand you correctly to say that one of the errors, you think, was a failure to count terrorist attacks that did not result in death or casualties?
MR. BOUCHER: Thatâs right.
QUESTION: Thanks.
MR. BOUCHER: Again, these are preliminary indications. There may be more things that went wrong. There may be more details on how those things went wrong or exactly how they were done that weâll get to as we pursue this further.
-snip- there is plenty more onthe same subject.
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What this means is that the ignorant slut's lawyer is sure the prosecution has a slam-dunk case against the little bitch, so they're going to turn the case into a media circus.
Remember: England wasn't supposed to be in the cell block! She was disobeying orders by being there, and clearly took part in the abuse voluntarily.
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...TWO chances on that: Fat and Slim.
Am I correct in noticing that not one of these little angels has retained a military (or former military) lawyer? I remember being told by the old heads that the smartest thing you could do when facing a CM was to hire somebody who had been a lawyer in the service, but NEVER hire a civilian who thought he could game the system...because when all was said and done, you'd be making big ones into little ones at Leavenworth and he'd be sitting in his office endorsing your check and trying to figure out what went wrong.
Private England is going to do hard time somewhere - the smartest thing she could do right now is get her head out of her ass and go state's evidence at once. Every day she fights it (and the other idiot too) is going to be one more brick in the wall when they sentence her.
Mike
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That's about right. Military courts are a stacked deck in favor of the prosecution. You are considered guilty until proven innocent, and the court has lots of bureaucratic bullshit at it's command. Gaming the system (or the attempt to) will only annoy the court's officers. Bad idea.
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In that statement...England implicates herself and five other members of the 372nd in varying types of abuse at Abu Ghraib. She maintains they committed no crimes because they were following orders from superior officers and that what occurred there was widely known and, in some cases, "funny."
England acknowledged in her statement that the MPs were not given specific orders on how to "break'' detainees for interrogation by military intelligence officers or other government agents. But she said those officers praised the MPs and told them to "keep it up'' with their treatment of detainees.
Does anyone else on this site wonder whether she WAS following orders? To our military commentators out there--what the heck do you think happened? Was this an administration strategy taken to an extreme, were these individuals acting on their own impulses, or was it something else?
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Was this an administration strategy taken to an extreme, were these individuals acting on their own impulses, or was it something else?
Go read the Taguba report. Taguba took the evidence to a psychiatrist, and the psych's opinion was that it was exactly what you'd expect from an unsupervised group running on their own.
Toss in bits like England being where she wasn't supposed to be, her relationship with Graner, Graner's history of violence, the poor leadership in their unit, and the rather small scope of what the photos show (one shift, one wing, mostly one night), and it's pretty clear this was one group of idiots.
Politics and anti-Americanism have led people to spin it into a grand tapestry, despite most of their material either being rank fiction or purposeful twisting of the evidence.
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Jules -
I cant speak for our other vets here, but my feeling from the word go was that there was ZERO command oversight going on at the Hotel Abu Ghraib. For the most part, the troops there held together pretty well - but as with any situation where the leadership has essentially abandoned their responsibility, you will have the dregs sink to the bottom...and that is exactly what happened.
Robert's comments are also right on the money. Between Frederick and Graner, you had two borderline sociopaths basically running the operation in that part of the prison. Graner brought in his main squeeze, Private England, and the rest is, sadly, history.
Now - as far as the 'orders' crap: Give me enough time and motivation (and the liklihood of Leavenworth for a few years is ineed very serious motivation) and I will come up with proof that I got orders to wear a BDU ballet outfit to work every night to disorient the prisoners. What I think happened here is that between the behavior of Frederick's Heroes, the use of civilian contract personnel and CIA/DIA people, and the staff's utter abdication of responsibility, they will do everything possible to claim that they were in a bad situation where they didn't know WHICH orders they were supposed to follow, and they picked the wrong ones.
Mike
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Mike, I agree. It looks like, and I have no evidence, that the unit may have been tasked to provide X number of bodies to be prison guards. Leaders said, "Ah hah, I can get rid of my Sgt Dirtbags", and sent them.
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Steve-
I'd completely forgotten about that possibility. Now I'm really curious aboout their previous records...
Mike
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Mike and Steve, these guys were from that unit, not castoffs. In fact, though the cite has eluded me, I believe the unit specialized in EPW. I suspect we're going to discover that they were trained, they knew about the Geneva Convention, and they basicly did whatever the hell they wanted.
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Hopefully there is or has been a 'forensic' IG inspection of the unit: documents, training records, background checks, etc.
Defense lawyers are just doing what defense lawyers do. That is trying to find a schtick, a line, something that a jury will buy. Trying to make it a political morality play is just one of those attempts. Maybe they'll ask for enlisted on the jury as well...
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One thing that has puzzled me is that there are a lot of links in the chain of command between Graner and Karpinski; when are they going to get the treatment as well?
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I suspect that will come in time. if it hasn't already happened. Not all of it will be done through a court martial.
That may offend people's sensibilities, no doubt. But the critical part is what happened both at the top and bottom of the chain. The latter for their actions. The former because whatever happens under your command is your responsibility.
No ifs ands or buts. If BG Karpinski doesn't realize that, she doesn't deserve her commisison, never mind her stars.
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Mr. Annan said that an effort is being made to incorporate âintegrity conceptsâ into the system. âWe are determined to âmainstreamâ these concepts as a daily reality in all our lives,â he wrote. No real surprise, but a damming statement nonetheless.
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#1 Mr. Annan said that an effort is being made to incorporate âintegrity conceptsâ into the system. âWe are determined to âmainstreamâ these concepts as a daily reality in all our lives,â he wrote.
Sounds like Dilbert working for the secretariat
From Al-Muhaajiroun
By definition we find that democracy is in contradiction to Islam .... A persons Deen is what he/she believes in (Allah exclusively), and what he lives by (Khilafah and shariâah) and what he dies for, (Daâwah and Jihad). This means that if we are Muslims, the only deen acceptable for us is Islam, we believe in it, live by it and die for it. So there is no way for us to believe in democracy, nor live by it, nor fight to defend it. ...
Democracy calls for so-called freedoms,
* The freedom of Religion
Freedom to worship whatever and whoever they wish, whether one god or many gods; whether they worship themselves, their desires, their money or their private parts.
* The Freedom of Ownership
Freedom to own whatever and however they like, whether selling his body or his wifeâs body it doesnât matter because he is free.
* Personal Freedom
To be free to eat, speak, wear and behave the way he likes etc.
* Freedom of Expression
Freedom to say what you like, to lie how you like, to slander, to insult, to swear, to curse however you like.
However, this will inevitably causes chaos .... The people vote to decide what they think is the best law, then they count the votes and take the majority opinion, there is always confusion and disagreement, there is no black and white and is always grey areas. i.e. It is entirely based on compromise. Democracy is fundamentally contradictory to Islam, and is irreconcilably against the command of Allah. Allah ordered us to implement only and all of His (swt) commands and prohibitions, to rule and judge by whatever he revealed and to reject any and all opinions that the people may have, whether minority or majority. Allah (swt) said: âDo people want to follow the law of jahiliyyah (ignorance)? Who is a better legislator than Allah? If you believe.â [EMQ 5: 50]
There is no doubt that Allah (swt), the one who created us and created the universe and everything in it, He is the best to know us and what is best for us. He (swt) is the best to decide what is right and wrong and we have no right to question him. Only the fool would leave His (swt) wisdom and guidance for our own ignorance and conjecture. ... It is impossible for us to refer to any law other that of Allah, in any dispute we must return to Allah and his laws for arbitration. .... This means that we must stay away from and reject all that is worshipped, followed or obeyed instead of Allah (swt), whether Satan, human, idols, law and order or a ruler, whether the law of the UK or the law of the UN; we must reject it, believe it is falsehood, hate and hold animosity towards it and call it disbelief or disbelievers.
Allah (swt) said: âIt is not fitting for the believing men or the believing women, when Allah and His messenger decide a matter, that they should have any choice in the matter, and whosoever disobeys Allah and his messenger, they are in clear misguidance.â [33:36]
When Allah (swt) uses âclear misguidanceâ in this and other ayat, it means Shirk (polytheism). So it is impossible for us to vote over what is right or wrong, or what is lawful or unlawful as this has already been decided by Allah (swt), and it is impossible for us to have a choice after that. ... So there is no room for discussion or preference in the law of Allah (swt), Allah (swt) said: âAllah is the one who legislates and judges, and nobody dares to comment on itâ [EMQ Raâd: 41] ....
May Allah (swt) protect us from falling into the same hole as the Jews and Christians, who left Allah to follow their own desires, who twist and change the word of Allah to please eachother, even to legislate homosexuality after Allah prohibited it. Verily Democracy is a religion of disbelief; anybody who believes in it is a disbeliever, anybody who lives by and obeys its man-made law is Mushrik as he obeys and arbitrates to taghout, even though Allah (swt) ordered him to reject it, and anybody who fights to defend it, and kills and bombs others to force them into it and dies for the its sake can never die except as a kaafir, and will be punished after that forever and ever in the hellfire. ...
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... there is no black and white and is always grey areas.
The usual horsesh!t. There are some things in this world that will always be wrong. Try to think of a single instance where rape is justified. Even if it was the last woman on earth and all humanity's continuation relied upon her, nothing good could be obtained by raping her.
Yet, we see Panchayat ordered rapes.
Sexual child molestation is another of these evils, as is unprovoked premeditated murder. Oh ... did I neglect to mention terrorism?
Now that we have gotten the tiresome "shades of gray" red herring out of the way, let's get back to how democracy is fundamentally antithetical to Islam.
With apologies to you, Mike, I'm going to post the entire text of another article on this exact same subject. I was astounded to see the full thrust of it made clear before me while reading it the other night. The upshot is chilling.
LONDON, Sept. 6 (UPI) -- It is not the American war machine that should be of the utmost concern to Muslims. What threatens the future of Islam, in fact its very survival, is American democracy." This is the message of a new book, just published by al-Qaida in several Arab countries.
The author of "The Future of Iraq and The Arabian Peninsula After The Fall of Baghdad" is Yussuf al-Ayyeri, one of Osama bin Laden's closest associates since the early '90s. A Saudi citizen also known by the nom de guerre Abu Muhammad, he was killed in a gun battle with security forces in Riyadh last June.
The book is published by The Centre for Islamic Research and Studies, a company set up by bin Laden in 1995 with branches in New York and London (now closed). Over the past eight years, it has published more than 40 books by al-Qaida "thinkers and researchers" including militants such as Ayman al-Zawahiri, bin Laden's No. 2.
Al-Ayyeri first made his name in the mid '90s as a commander of the Farouq camp in eastern Afghanistan, where al-Qaida and the Taliban trained thousands of "volunteers for martyrdom."
Al-Ayyeri argues that the history of mankind is the story of "perpetual war between belief and unbelief." Over the millennia, both have appeared in different guises. As far as belief is concerned, the absolutely final version is represented by Islam, which "annuls all other religions and creeds." Thus, Muslims can have only one goal: converting all humanity to Islam and "effacing the final traces of all other religions, creeds and ideologies."
Unbelief (kufr) has come in numerous forms and shapes, but with a single objective: to destroy faith in God. In the West, unbelief has succeeded in making a majority of people forget God and worship the world. Islam, however, is resisting the trend because Allah means to give it final victory.
Al-Ayyeri then shows how various forms of unbelief attacked the world of Islam in the past century or so, to be defeated in one way or another.
The first form of unbelief to attack was "modernism" (hidatha), which led to the caliphate's destruction and the emergence in the lands of Islam of states based on ethnic identities and territorial dimensions rather than religious faith.
The second was nationalism, which, imported from Europe, divided Muslims into Arabs, Persians, Turks and others. Al-Ayyeri claims that nationalism has now been crushed in almost all Muslim lands. He claims that a true Muslim is not loyal to any particular nation-state.
The third form of unbelief is socialism, which includes communism. That, too, has been defeated and eliminated from the Muslim world, Al-Ayyeri asserts. He presents Ba'athism, the Iraqi ruling party's ideology under Saddam Hussein, as the fourth form of unbelief to afflict Muslims, especially Arabs. Ba'athism (also the official ideology of the Syrian regime) offers Arabs a mixture of pan-Arabism and socialism as an alternative to Islam. Al-Ayyeri says Muslims "should welcome the destruction of Ba'athism in Iraq."
"The end of Ba'ath rule in Iraq is good for Islam and Muslims," he writes. "Where the banner of Ba'ath has fallen, shall rise the banner of Islam."
The author notes as "a paradox" the fact that all the various forms of unbelief that threatened Islam were defeated with the help of the Western powers, and more specifically the United States.
The "modernizing" movement in the Muslim world was ultimately discredited when European imperial powers forced their domination on Muslim lands, turning the Westernized elite into their "hired lackeys." The nationalists were defeated and discredited in wars led against them by various Western powers or, in the case of Nasserism in Egypt, by Israel.
The West also gave a hand in defeating socialism and communism in the Muslim world. The most dramatic example of this came when America helped the Afghan mujaheeden destroy the Soviet-backed communist regime in Kabul. And now the United States and its British allies have destroyed Ba'athism in Iraq and may have fatally undermined it in Syria as well.
What Al-Ayyeri sees now is a "clean battlefield" in which Islam faces a new form of unbelief. This, he labels "secularist democracy." This threat is "far more dangerous to Islam" than all its predecessors combined. The reasons, he explains in a whole chapter, must be sought in democracy's "seductive capacities."
This form of "unbelief" persuades the people that they are in charge of their destiny and that, using their collective reasoning, they can shape policies and pass laws as they see fit. That leads them into ignoring the "unalterable laws" promulgated by God for the whole of mankind, and codified in the Islamic shariah (jurisprudence) until the end of time.
The goal of democracy, according to Al-Ayyeri, is to "make Muslims love this world, forget the next world and abandon jihad." If established in any Muslim country for a reasonably long time, democracy could lead to economic prosperity, which, in turn, would make Muslims "reluctant to die in martyrdom" in defense of their faith.
He says that it is vital to prevent any normalization and stabilization in Iraq. Muslim militants should make sure that the United States does not succeed in holding elections in Iraq and creating a democratic government. "If democracy comes to Iraq, the next target [for democratization] would be the whole of the Muslim world," Al-Ayyeri writes.
The al Qaida ideologist claims that the only Muslim country already affected by "the beginning of democratization" and thus in "mortal danger" is Turkey.
"Do we want what happened in Turkey to happen to all Muslim countries?" he asks. "Do we want Muslims to refuse taking part in jihad and submit to secularism, which is a Zionist-Crusader concoction?"
Al-Ayyeri says Iraq would become the graveyard of secular democracy, just as Afghanistan became the graveyard of communism. The idea is that the Americans, faced with mounting casualties in Iraq, will "just run away," as did the Soviets in Afghanistan. This is because the Americans love this world and are concerned about nothing but their own comfort, while Muslims dream of the pleasures that martyrdom offers in paradise.
"In Iraq today, there are only two sides," Al-Ayyeri asserts. "Here we have a clash of two visions of the world and the future of mankind. The side prepared to accept more sacrifices will win."
Al-Ayyeri's analysis may sound naive; he also gets most of his facts wrong. But he is right in reminding the world that what happens in Iraq could affect other Arab countries - in fact, the whole of the Muslim world.
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One passage stands out in particular:
The goal of democracy, according to Al-Ayyeri, is to "make Muslims love this world, forget the next world and abandon jihad." If established in any Muslim country for a reasonably long time, democracy could lead to economic prosperity, which, in turn, would make Muslims "reluctant to die in martyrdom" in defense of their faith.
"[E]conomic prosperity" is seen as the enemy of Islam. Any reluctance to be one of those who are "prepared to accept more sacrifices" essentially represents apostasy.
Here is where the mask is ripped from fundamentalist Islam's contorted face. Only by breeding the very worst sort of poverty and despair are fanatics like the Wahhabist Taleban and their ilk able to subvert adherents for the barbaric political purposes they envision.
Suddenly we can see how Arafat's omnipresent corruption and thievery, the Iranian Mullahs' diverting into nuclear arms funds desperately needed by their disaster-struck population, the Sudanese genocides, all of them breed up the impoverished psychosis necessary to push Islam's believers into murderous despair.
It is a badge of honor that democracy should be the deadly enemy of those putative leaders who starve their subjects, not into submission, but beyond such corporeal suffering and into the realm of terrorism's unimaginable savagery.
Never have I been more convinced that all free people are called to immediate action, not just for their own safety, but also to assure the liberation of so many downtrodden and ruthlessly degraded souls who suffer at the hands of these depraved fundamentalist monsters.
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Zenster ya might want to ask Fred if he can just edit that out and make it a separate linked to article. Its a big long for a normal comment post I think :)
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Democracy Is Fundamentally Contradictory to Islam
Good - let's call a spade a spade. The bottom line is that we and they have to acknowledge this simple little fact. It's tough for us westerners to accept, but this article is spot on.
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You know I used to believe that Islam, Judisiam, and Christianity all believed in the same God,but not anymore.My God whose name is Jehovah and whose son Is Jesus Christ,is not the same god(Allah)who advocates slaughter,rape,and slavery.
FAKE passports and work permits have been smuggled into Malaysia from Indonesia in packets of instant noodles. Police made the discovery in a raid on an apartment in Kuala Lumpur on Saturday. They arrested six Indonesians and seized 374 passports and more than 700 work permits, police Assistant Commissioner Hasanudin Hasan said.Some of the passports were found still inside packets of instant noodles - 14 passports to a pack, Tuesdayâs New Straits Times newspaper said in a report headed "Have instant noodles, will travel."
"If you examine the packets you would think they were instant noodles because they also left some bits of noodles and the sachets of seasoning in them," another officer, Fauzi Shaari, was quoted as saying. Police said a syndicate of smugglers had been buying the passports and forged work permits in Indonesia and selling them to illegal immigrants in Malaysia. Those arrested face charges under the Passport Act, which carries a maximum penalty of six years imprisonment, large fines and whipping. Malaysia is one of Southeast Asiaâs wealthiest countries and is a magnet for foreign workers from its poorer neighbors, including Indonesia and the Philippines.
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It's better to use HTML and tags. This text is big. This text is small. Look up HTML entities too so you can get âtypographer's quotesâ instead of "typewriter quotes".
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Damn. That last was garbled. Just look up the HTML big and small tags. Here is a pretty good free site.
You can also look up HTML guides on Google or Yahoo.
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The US Supreme Court has thrown out a lawsuit against Iran worth $33bn on behalf of Americans taken hostage during the 1979 Islamic Revolution. They were held captive at the US embassy in Tehran for 444 days in a crisis which largely cost Jimmy Carter the 1980 US presidential election. The accords which led to their release ruled out future US legal action. The Supreme Court did not comment on its decision but US officials have said the Algiers Accords remain in force.
âMeaningful remedyâ
Congress has passed bills allowing former hostages to pursue lawsuits in a bid to bypass the Algiers Accords and Tehran hostages filed a class action in 2000. Last year, the US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit ruled the accords remained in effect because Congress had not been clear enough in its actions. The state department also called for the lawsuit to be dropped because of the legal action ban contained in the accords.
The Tehran hostagesâ lawyer, Harvard law professor Laurence Tribe, said Congress had sought to "provide a meaningful remedy for the terrible ordeal that the [former hostages] and their families endured". The release of the hostages coincided with the inauguration of Ronald Reagan after he defeated Mr Carter. Hey, no problem. Weâre about to bomb the crap out of their nuclear power weapons facilities anyway. Letâs make sure to hit a few of their reserve banks too.
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Well, there goes the big fat fee for the lawyer. Wasn't Tribe involved in the Florida 2000 pres election festivities for the dems?
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one of the guilty
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A visit to Zimbabwe scheduled for Tuesday by James Morris, the United Nationâs top food aid official, has been called off, UN officials said, in a sign of worsening relations between President Robert Mugabeâs government and the world body. James Morris, executive director of the World Food Programme, had Zimbabwe on his itinerary for a visit arranged months ago to five Southern African countries, but a UN spokesperson in Harare said on Tuesday the visit had been "postponed".
"Unfortunately, due to a cabinet meeting, no government officials are likely to be able to meet with the special envoy," the spokesperson said. Meetings with "key government representatives" were an essential part of its consultations in Zimbabwe. Morris, also UN secretary-general Kofi Annanâs special humanitarian envoy to Southern Africa, would be going to Malawi on Tuesday instead.
"Itâs a deliberate snub," said a Western diplomat. "Zimbabwe had agreed to the visit, and Morris was set down to see Mugabe. Late last week, they changed their minds." The calling off of Morrisâ visit occurred amid controversy over the governmentâs refusal to allow UN famine relief operations to continue for the third year in a row this year, despite widespread forecasts that crop output would again fall far below the volume needed to feed the countryâs 12-million people.
Last month, Mugabe said the UN was "foisting" food on the country. "We are not hungry," he said. "We donât want to be choked." Since 2002, the United Nations has helped avert massive starvation as it delivered food to up to five million people at a time. Zimbabwe was Africaâs second biggest food producer, after South Africa, until 2000 when the countryâs agricultural industry began to collapse as a result of the illegal, violent state seizure of nearly all of the highly productive farmland owned by white farmers. - Sapa-DPA
Israel set off an enormous explosion Tuesday in the Negev desert near the border with Jordan to test its seismographic measuring equipment. The explosion, designed to measure about 2.9 on the Richter scale, was set off to help the Israeli Geophysics Institute calibrate its equipment and better estimate the precise location of future quakes, said Rami Hofstepter, manager of the institute. Israel Radio said the blast involved 28 tons of explosives.
"Just calibrating the, er, equipment, nothing to worry about, move along."
Jordan did not participate in the test, but Israel informed Jordan and other countries in the region to avoid alarm in the violence-torn Mideast.
Don't want them to get worried it was a weapons test, or anything. They wouldn't lie about that, now would they?
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We absolutely are not testing micronukes or Zionist Death Rays.
Cuz we don't got none, ya see? Nope...
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next test? Above the Gaza tunnels
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56,000 lb of explosives. Nice little shot. Maybe to calibrate for u/g nuke tests in the neighborhood, heh heh.
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"BOOM! Here comes the BOOM! Ready or not . . ."
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Alaska Paul - Hey, now there's a good possibility. Israel never tested any of their nuclear weapons (although I remember reading someplace that they may have done so in South Africa back in the day) so calibrating their sensors for the region is something that's probably never been done.
If somehow they could spot Iran getting ready to test one, then they could nuke the test site (ooops, looks like they had an accident) and take out various scientists and shiny mullahs in for a view all at once.
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"Come to Allah"
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Hmmm. If I were some sort of conspiracy loon, I'd say the Israelis were conducting a seismic tomography experiment to locate the Iranian underground nuke facilities.
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Iraq's nascent air force has bought two Australian manufactured planes, the first in a planned 16-strong surveillance force dedicated to protecting the country's borders and oil, the US military said today.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200406/s1133164.htm
I was thinking about the situation over in Iraq. Specifically, Iâve noticed how so many coalition casualties are being attributed to terrorist insurgentsâ use of RPGs, or rocket-propelled grenades. The RPG is a versatile weapon that needs to have its sharp teeth pulled. . . .
The shell of the RPG-7 has the explosive equivalent of a stick of dynamite; add to that the explosive capability in the booster and in the rocket assist, and you have a potent little bomb indeed. And the enemy, the very one you want to eliminate, is walking around with it!
We should develop an RPG-7 decoy round. I envision something that looks and feels just like the booster, rocket assist and/or warhead for the RPG-7 weapon except that it detonates upon launch.
We then produce several hundred of these and paint/crate/transport them exactly like we would the real thing and leave them in places the enemy will find them. Or, even better than that, when we find the real thing in a weapons cache somewhere, we replace some or most of them with our decoys, leave them and wait for the fun.
Were we to do this, we would plant the seed of doubt that the weapons are no longer safe (cursed perhaps?) and the enemy has more to lose than to gain by using them. Failing this, we could actually eliminate the enemy in the very act of attacking, when the decoy rounds are used in against our forces. Think about that -- we could conceivably eliminate the enemy even when they are training to attack.
Our enemies, the terrorists and insurgents in Iraq, will have their effectiveness greatly reduced if the threat of this weapon can be removed. And every time one of our decoys is used, thatâs one (or more) bad guy whoâll never attack again.
Heâll be a Really Perforated Goner instead.
IIRC, the friendlies in Iraq are not issued RPGs, so this should work without posing a hazard to our guys.
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Fun idea, but not very doable, I guess, in theses PC times. Btw, why isn't the US army using rpg-like weaponry? By rpg I mean reusable, versatile rocket launcher with two integral handles (ie the weapons can be carried around ready). IIUC, most rocket launchers in the US army are either disposable or must be unfolded before use, and do not have such a large array of warheads.
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The RPG is the poor man's artillary. We do have grenade launchers, and the anti-tank missles, but rely on vehicle mounted TOW's, morters, MLRS, etc., because we have them.
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better, put position transmiter inside that starts when rpg start to get moved from original place.
This is why the idea will never fly, first gps transmitters, then failsafe systems so Iraqi National Army launchers can't accidentally use them, then staffing by legal eagles requiring warning in seven languages that any RPG round can be dangerous in certain situations, then firing trial one..... first prototype RPG7X burns through the composite armour of an M1A2 at 500 metres...
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Shipman tracking the path of a rpg with a transmiter will help to know some insurgents safe heavens.Calling an high altitude UAV with camera then can be determined how many are there and then ask for a 500lb from an A-10...
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The Israelis did something similar. They secretly distributed bomb making instructions written in Arabic. The recipe was just wrong enough to ensure it blew up in the would be martyr's face.
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Home Depot has Charbroil "Big Easy's" on sale Ship - $200 plus they provide a full propane tank
mmmmm Carne Asada tonight!
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LOL at Howard.
Perhaps the author is referring to the fact that we Yanks don't raise our pinky finger daintily when grasping the fork and tongs ?
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The term Bar-B-Que , at least in Alabama, refers to a large gathering (50 to 100 people) where food is cooked in yhe open. Not just meat but camp stew and corn on the cob. What individuals and small groups do is called "Grillin' Out". The term is reportedly from French meaning beard to tail. Maybe. Could be from Spanish babacua meaning "big meat eat with lots of tequila.
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DB, you can call it what you want but unless you actually use the fancy ketchup (aka Sauce of the Gods), it ain't barbecue. It's just grilling.
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Barbeque....reminds me about the song of the Aussie Barbeque:
When the Summer sun is shining
On Australia's happy land
When countless spires of smoke inspires
Many a solemn band
See Australians glumly watching as their lunch goes up in flames
By the smoke and smell, you can plainly tell
It's barby time again
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When the steaks are burning fiercely
And the smoke gets in your eyes
When the snags all taste like fried toothpaste
and your mouth is full of flies
Its a national institution, its Australian through and through
So come on mate, and grab your plate
Lets have a barbeque
Oh the Scotsman loves his haggis
The French eat snails and frogs
The Greeks go crackers over their mousaka's
And the Yanks all love hotdogs
The Welsh just love to have a leek
The Irish love their stew
But you just can't beat, the half cooked meat
At an Aussie Barbeque!
[Chorus]
There's flies stuck to the margarine
The bread has gone rock hard
The kids are fighting, the mozzies are biting
Who forgot the Aerogard!
There's bull ants in the esky
And the beer is running out
And what we saw in Mum's coleslaw
We just don't talk about!
[Chorus]
Oh and when the day is over
And your homeward way you wend
With a queazy tummy on the family dunny
Many lonely hours you'll spend
You'll find yourself reflecting
As many often do
Come rain or shine, its the bloody last time
you'll have a Barbeque!
[Chorus]
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They throw on the marbled beef and jacket potatoes, and garnish the meal with lashings of sour cream, creamy dips and salty crisps.
Translation please? Was this was supposed to be a folksy recounting of an AMERICAN barbecue? What is a jacket potato? And I'm guessing that crisps are potato chips or french fries? Fun though.
I have never heard any chef or gourmet recommending turning and returning meat...might be healthy but chews like shoe leather.
American obesity isn't mostly diet-it's mostly lack of exercise.
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BBQ: If animals don't want to be eaten, they should stop wearing meat. Where's mucky?
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There's flies stuck to the margarine
The bread has gone rock hard
The kids are fighting, the mozzies are biting
Who forgot the Aerogard! There's bull ants in the esky
And the beer is running out
And what we saw in Mum's coleslaw
We just don't talk about!
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grillin or bbq'n it all works..nothing better than a sunny day, a beer, the grill and some good friends
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Whoever "chars" the meat just ain't doin' it right! Besides, she's bitching about something else:
"The British have not yet fully adopted the macho approach to barbecuing beloved of American men, whose sole contribution to cookery is - beer in hand - to don an apron when there are guests to admire and applaud their handiwork. "
How insulting.
And funny, she goes on to give all kinds of tips on how to grill--bet her editor made her do the story. And from the looks of her, she really needs to ease up and enjoy a beer and some good barbeque.
I was just thinking . . . I'm 100% certain that we Americans and Aussies know what we're doing. Personally, my life is so stressed, I would LOVE some fun grilling and partying.
About getting fat--it's not the barbeque, it's lack of exercise, like jules says.
NO BARBEQUE, GRILLING, or BEER = thought police. I'm sick of it.
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