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-Short Attention Span Theater-
Granddaughter of Titanic Second Officer: Titanic was sunk by a steering error
A steering and because the captain decided to continue sailing rather than to stop the ship.

It's also my personal understanding that the Titanic's rudder was too small, the rivets had too much slag in them which made them brittle, and because the ships owners wanted a grand staircase inside the ship rather than go with the designers' plans that were more compartmentalized.

Dang.
Posted by: gorb || 09/23/2010 15:10 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  proof? Pshaw! There's books to be sold, and PR tours on network and local news to be made!

p.s.: I have no doubt some corners may have been cut and post-damage errors made. Ships are made and run by humans
Posted by: Frank G || 09/23/2010 18:46 Comments || Top||

#2  True enuff, as a large number of 19th Century and early 20th SAILING SHIPS = MASTED SHIPS were still plying the seas when the Titanic sank.

Perhaps its more correct to argue that the TITANIC was a State-of-the-Art design whose strengths + weaknesses weren't properly understood.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 09/23/2010 23:39 Comments || Top||


Obamas attend Episcapalian church.
Posted by: Besoeker || 09/23/2010 11:19 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Took communion, too, which isn't supposed to be offered to non-Episcapalians.
Posted by: Steve White || 09/23/2010 13:58 Comments || Top||

#2  Most Episcopal and Anglican dioceses allow communion given to 'All Baptized Christians'. The Roman Catholic church still does not authorize their priests to give communion to other than 'Confirmed Catholics' (although many priests do so anyway).
Posted by: Mullah Richard || 09/23/2010 14:21 Comments || Top||

#3  An interesting comment about that was "Gee, did they have to deconsecrate the church first, or it being Episcopalian, was that necessary?"
Posted by: Anonymoose || 09/23/2010 14:41 Comments || Top||

#4  Most Episcopal and Anglican dioceses allow communion given to 'All Baptized Christians' Barack Hussein was baptized? I wonder what his Christian name is.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 09/23/2010 16:05 Comments || Top||

#5  Gee, did they have to deconsecrate the church first

Must have, otherwise he couldn't have crossed the threshold. :-)
Posted by: DMFD || 09/23/2010 21:14 Comments || Top||

#6  One of Wright and Phlegler's friends? Were there any choice sermons about the rising tide of Islamophobia in the U.S., or the importance of economic equality, or Cold-War era CIA coups causing all of today's global crises?
Posted by: DJ Curtis C || 09/23/2010 22:56 Comments || Top||


Africa Subsaharan
Measles kill 70 children in Zim. Decivilization continues.
Posted by: Besoeker || 09/23/2010 10:52 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Bangladesh
4 die taking toxic liquor
[Bangla Daily Star] Four people died and another fell ill after drinking bad moonshine in Shahjadpur upazila of Sirajganj Tuesday night.

Police sources said the victims collected the Kickapoo Joy Juice from Lahiri Mohanpur Bazar in Ullapara upazila Monday night, and fell ill after drinking the shine. When the DT's set in at the night, their family members admitted them to a local clinic. They went titzup between 8:00pm to 12:00 midnight on Tuesday.

Of the victims, Tapan Das, 42, of Manirampur Bagadipara, and Wazed Ali, 55, of Dariapur, died at Sirajganj General Hospital. The two others, Chandi Das, 40, of Manirampur Bagadipara, died at the clinic while Jyotish Chandra, 45, of Dariapur, died while he was being taken to Pabna Hospital.

The dead bodies were sent to Sirajganj General Hospital morgue for their appointment with Dr. Quincy.

Mono Das was banging hard on death's door and was undergoing treatment at Pabna Hospital.

Police filed a case with Shahjadpur Police Station in this regard and picked up moonshiner Babu yesterday afternoon.

Shahjadpur Upazila Nirbahi Officer Habibur Rahman and Upazila Chairman Hasibur Rahman Swapan visited the scene of the crime.
Posted by: Fred || 09/23/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I can remember mornings when Pan said he wished he was dead...
Posted by: Skidmark || 09/23/2010 9:05 Comments || Top||

#2  Quick, what's those two cartoon characters in the photo's names?
(Yes, I know)
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 09/23/2010 12:04 Comments || Top||

#3  Mohamhead McSwine?
Posted by: Canuckistan sniper || 09/23/2010 12:26 Comments || Top||

#4  Nobody Knows?
OK the bearded one is "Hairless Joe" the little Indian is "Lonesome Polecat" the only remaining member of the almost extinct tribe of Indians the "Kickapoos", they brewed a foul and very alcoholic brew Known as "Kickapoo Joy Juice" consisting everything and anything they could lay their hands on, often road kill and whatever was loose was stirred in.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 09/23/2010 21:12 Comments || Top||

#5  Heh, RJ.

You're telling people how old you are. ;-p
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 09/23/2010 21:23 Comments || Top||

#6  Not Asterix and Obelisk, then. Oh well.
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/23/2010 22:17 Comments || Top||

#7  Lil Abner & Co. still have fans. I reckon there are at least three or four of us left.
Posted by: Scooter McGruder || 09/23/2010 23:26 Comments || Top||


Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
RU to export Sukhoi jet to India.
Posted by: Besoeker || 09/23/2010 11:37 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Big surprise the Indians already fly soviet Russian aircraft.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 09/23/2010 18:48 Comments || Top||


China-Japan-Koreas
The row between China and Japan grows.
Posted by: Besoeker || 09/23/2010 10:35 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:


Economy
US considering whether to label engineered fish
[Arab News] US regulators are weighing whether to approve genetically modified salmon for human consumption, and if they do, it might not be labeled any differently from conventional fish.

It is still unclear whether the Food and Drug Administration will approve the fish, which was created by a Massachusetts company and grows twice as fast as its conventional counterparts. If it is approved, the agency would then have to decide the label it will carry in grocery stores. According to FDA rules, the fish will not be labeled as genetically modified if the agency decides it has the same material makeup as conventional salmon.

FDA officials reviewed the science of the modified fish Monday and will hold a hearing Tuesday to discuss the labeling issue, which has many food safety and consumer groups concerned.

Agency officials have said they believe the makeup of wild Atlantic salmon is essentially the same as genetically engineered salmon, though they have not made a final decision on its approval. A federal advisory committee that convened Monday to discuss the science said more data and testing may be needed to be sure the fish is safe.

Several consumer groups plan to argue Tuesday for more detailed labeling, saying it is the public's right to know.

Dr. Michael Hansen, senior scientist at Consumers Union, the publisher of Consumer Reports magazine, says his organization disagrees with the FDA that genetic engineering itself does not constitute a material difference in the two fish.

"It is essential to label a GE animal so that any unexpected effects will be recognized and consumer health protected," he said.

The Atlantic salmon engineered by the Massachusetts company, AquaBounty, has an added a growth hormone from a Chinook salmon that allows the fish to produce growth hormone all year long. The engineers were able to keep the hormone active by using another gene from an eel-like fish called an ocean pout that acts like an on switch for the hormone, which conventional salmon produces only some of the time.

In documents released ahead of the hearing, the FDA agreed with the company, saying there were no biologically relevant differences between the engineered salmon and conventional salmon, and there is a reasonable certainty that no harm will come from its consumption. FDA scientists said Monday there are very few differences between the modified and conventional fish.

Ron Stotish, CEO of AquaBounty, said at Monday's hearing that his company's fish product is safe and environmentally sustainable. But critics have two main concerns: The safety of the food to humans and the salmon's effect on the environment.

Because the altered fish has never been eaten before, they say, it could include dangerous allergens, especially because seafood is highly allergenic. They also worry that the fish will escape and intermingle with the wild salmon population, which is already endangered. They would grow fast and consume more food to the detriment of the conventional wild salmon, the critics fear.

The FDA tried to allay both of those concerns Monday, saying the fish shouldn't cause any allergies not already found in conventional salmon and there is little chance they could escape. But the advisory panel, which was formed to give input to the agency and did not hold a final vote, cast some doubts on whether there was enough evidence to back up those assertions.
Posted by: Fred || 09/23/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  ION FREEREPUBLIC > GLOBAL FOOD RISK FROM CHINA-RUSSIA PINCER.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 09/23/2010 3:11 Comments || Top||

#2  Joe - I read the article, and while it doesn't mention him by name, since Warren Buffett just bought BNSF, which ships a lot of grain, and China and Russia will upset world markets shortly, isn't this essentially saying that Buffett plans windfall in coming years?

Of course, doesn't he always?

Finally, maybe the Chinese could simply eat more salmon.
Posted by: Halliburton - Mysterious Conspiracy Division || 09/23/2010 9:24 Comments || Top||

#3  Hmm... Farmed Salmon is usually lighter in color than their wild counterparts (tastes different as well) - so much so that they have to 'add coloring' to sell it.

Will these 'genetic' fish be even lighter? Or perhaps blue or green?
Posted by: CrazyFool || 09/23/2010 9:28 Comments || Top||

#4  I think they should clone in the gene for GFP (green fluorescent protein) and sell the meat under a blue light. That would be cool.
Posted by: Chemist || 09/23/2010 9:32 Comments || Top||

#5  What about the growth hormone being passed onto consumers? Some blame its presence in milk, beef, and poultry for obesity and encourage organic products, which do taste better. The 'Law of Unintended Consequences' should motivate labeling and the only reason they don't want it mentioned is to cover their butts in a future lawsuit.
Posted by: Lumpy Elmoluck5091 || 09/23/2010 10:09 Comments || Top||

#6  Some blame its presence in milk, beef, and poultry for obesity and encourage organic products, which do taste better.

"Some" blame flouride for the voices in their heads, too.
Posted by: Rob Crawford || 09/23/2010 11:11 Comments || Top||

#7  What about the growth hormone being passed onto consumers?

Growth hormone is used up by the body (whether for growth or cellular repair in mature bodies) as it is available to the cells, so there isn't any remaining to pass on to consumers, Lumpy Elmoluck5091. Those humans on growth hormone replacement therapy need nightly injections of the stuff, like insulin. And anyway, studies show that growth hormone injections actually reduce fat deposits and increase lean muscle, so if it would lead to a more slender population, not a fatter one. This is why growth hormone treatment is such a drawing point at the most expensive health spa-resorts, and with certain professional baseball players.

Based on recent studies I've read about, increased girth is related to a combination of too much food/too little exercise and infection from one of several viruses that cause either an increase in the number of fat cells or increased efficiency in extracting nutriment from ingested food.
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/23/2010 11:31 Comments || Top||

#8  Frankenfood.
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 || 09/23/2010 11:33 Comments || Top||

#9  Salmon Green is...People!

I'd eat it before I would eat chinese catfish.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 09/23/2010 11:34 Comments || Top||

#10  I'd eat the charcoal the Chinese catfish was cooked with before I ate the Chinese catfish.
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 || 09/23/2010 11:35 Comments || Top||

#11  To the extent that I'm able, I eat the fish I catch and the game I kill.

No food is perfect, and all foods have some chemicals/risk, but the wild stuff is generally better and tastier.

If you've ever had wild salmon, the farmed stuff just won't do it for you.
Posted by: no mo uro || 09/23/2010 15:35 Comments || Top||

#12  It is a simple rule many do not take seriously. You are what you eat.

And it goes for plants, everything. The obvious example is grapes, notably grapes for wine. The best example is mushrooms. Honey would be another. Coffee. I was told once the best lamb in the world is in Greece, on account of the herd eating the wild herbs such as mint and rosemary.

Farmed stuff tends to produce a softer and consistantly flavored outcome on account of the feed mix and lack of nature's challenges. That is not necessarily a bad thing as a population ends up with good quality relatively inexpensive food. Which in turn creates a market for small/organic farms. I believe it was in California quite a few years ago there was the big discussion on what qualifies as organic.

The issue here is that as people attempt to find ways to supply in-demand specialty foods this case will set a precident. Interesting question, it is a natural hormone which is consumed if eaten while the fish is producing it in a natural cycle; not like some guy is out there juicing the fish. On the other I believe in properly labeled food, like when I almost bought that catfish. And a lot of y'all who like Japanese food...most of the time that is not true wasabi on your dish. Thought I was Jonny Badass with spicy foods until I found that out, but thought it a bit shady.

The economics: for a number of reasons good and bad some people will refuse to buy GE foods.

Still, I see no danger of Mega Salmon destroying the natural order if it makes a great escape. If someone know more about Salmon behavior please correct me, but would these farm Salmon even know how to find the streams to the spawning grounds, nevermind flopping its chubby self up the falls and past the bears?

Totally agree no mo uro, out here we call it self marinating. Still have to be aware, out thisaways there are only certain times of the year wild rabbit is considered safe to eat.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 09/23/2010 16:45 Comments || Top||

#13  #12 swksvolFF

Tularemia.

Ya hate it, doncha?
Posted by: no mo uro || 09/23/2010 17:39 Comments || Top||

#14  But love the rabbit when I can get it. Life is tough ;)

Wild boar sausage seems to be getting big as well, gotta trust the prep there.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 09/23/2010 18:02 Comments || Top||

#15  Lets not forget wild venison - dam good.

I bought some farmed salmon.... once.

I think some of it comes from having to avoid predators as well.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 09/23/2010 19:46 Comments || Top||


Oil discovered off Greenland coast. Usual suspects bitch.
[Al Jazeera] A British energy company says it has made its first oil discovery off the coast of Greenland, weeks after environmental muscle attempted to stop drilling in the area.

Cairn Energy said on Tuesday it had found two types of oil after drilling in the Baffin Bay Basin, as well as further evidence of gas.

"The presence of both oil and gas confirms an active, working petroleum system in the basin and is extremely encouraging at this very early stage of our exploration campaign," Bill Gammell, the exploration firm's chief executive, said.

The company is said to be spending $400m this year on drilling four wells off Greenland.

Ove Karl Berthelsen, Greenland's minister in charge of mineral resources, said Tuesday's find was "another encouraging result".

But the exploration has angered environmental muscle who say drilling for oil could harm the region's fragile ecosystem.

Last month Greenpeace muscle managed to temporarily halt Cairn's drilling operations, after four campaigners scaled the Stena Don oil rig.

The company has responded to concerns about the environmental impact of its operations, saying its exploration complies with "some of the strictest regulations in the world" that have been laid down by the government in Greenland.
Posted by: Fred || 09/23/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Good news, but they should arrest the envirowackos. DRILLDRILLDRILL!!!
Posted by: Woodrow Chumble6682 || 09/23/2010 1:46 Comments || Top||

#2  RENSE > {Boogai.com] TREASON:US HOUSE PUTS OCEANS, COASTS UNDER UN CONTROL; SENATE VOTE WILL SEAL DEAL [HR 5334 aka "CLEAR" Act].

* PAKISTANI DEFENCE FORUM > SOUTH KOREA MULLS UNDERSEA TUNNELS [Euro = "Chunnels"?] TO CHINA, JAPAN. Large enough to include handling of Railroad Cargo-Passenger Services.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 09/23/2010 3:25 Comments || Top||

#3  Arrest hell. It's time to teach the creatures what happens when you try to freeze and starve our children.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 09/23/2010 4:57 Comments || Top||

#4  How long would one survive in those waters? Four minutes?
Posted by: Bobby || 09/23/2010 5:43 Comments || Top||

#5  Boy, that would be bad, changing a whole bunch of Greenlanders' lives for the better.
Posted by: Mizzou Mafia || 09/23/2010 9:11 Comments || Top||

#6  Which is exactly why the environmentalists are against any drilling there.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 09/23/2010 9:24 Comments || Top||

#7  And what makes that ecosystem any more "fragile" than any other? Think about it ... that place is put into the deep freeze every year getting down below -30F and that doesn't break the "fragile" ecosystem.

It isn't all that "fragile".
Posted by: crosspatch || 09/23/2010 15:43 Comments || Top||

#8  "the exploration has angered environmental muscle"

None of whom are actually Greenlanders.

You clowns need to mind your own goddam business. What goes on in Greenland is the sole business of the citizens of Greenland. Period.

Buzz off.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 09/23/2010 22:59 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
Pakistan floods hit more than 10,000 schools: UN
[Dawn] Pakistan's flood crisis has damaged more than 10,000 schools, affecting several million pupils and requiring massive investment in a nation struggling with literacy, the UN warned Wednesday.

Torrential rain began falling in northern Pakistan in July and the floods have since moved slowly south, wiping out villages and farmland, and affecting an area roughly the size of England.

"Five to six per cent of all schools have been damaged by the floods. This means that between 1.5 to 2.5 million students have been affected," Umar Amal, an official with UNESCO, told a news conference.

"That number can rise and it will rise," he said, unable to estimate how much it would cost to repair the damaged infrastructure.

The United Nations has issued a record two-billion-dollar appeal to cope the disaster, which UN agencies say affected 21 million people and and left 12 million in need of emergency food aid.

Amal said more than 9,780 government schools were damaged - 2,700 fully and 7,000 partially.

The number of private schools affected - a statistic he said was not yet available - would push the figure beyond 10,000, he said.

The UN Children's Fund has said over 10 million children have been affected by the flooding, including 2.8 million under five-year-olds.

Education standards are poor in much of Pakistan, particularly in the most impoverished, rural areas worst hit by the floods.

Primary school enrollment is around 57 per cent and government expenditure on education accounts for just 2.1 per cent of Gross Domestic Product.

The overall adult literacy rate is 57 per cent and Pakistan has three years to meet a Millennium Development Goal target of 88 per cent.

But many of the flood-affected areas have far worse rates - for example in rural parts of southwestern province Baluchistan female literacy can be as low as seven percent, Amal said.

"Already before the floods, they were lagging behind... If 9,000 schools are partially damaged and 2,000 schools fully damaged you need a huge investment in education to re-activate it," he warned.

The UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs said a further 5,563 schools are still being used to shelter about 567,000 people displaced in the crisis.
Posted by: Fred || 09/23/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Pakistan

#1  What do they need schools for?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 09/23/2010 4:58 Comments || Top||

#2  What do they need schools for?

well duh... so the Taliban can blow them up
Posted by: Abu do you love || 09/23/2010 19:16 Comments || Top||

#3  as long as those are girl's schools, it saves explosives for higher-priority jobs
Posted by: Frank G || 09/23/2010 19:35 Comments || Top||



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