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Israel-Palestine-Jordan
Roof Knocking? (too pc-correct for me)
The IDF has also used what they are calling "roof knocking" operations, in which they inform the residents of suspected buildings that they have 10 minutes to leave the premises. In some cases, residents of suspected houses have been able to prevent bombing by climbing up to the roof to show that they will not leave, prompting IDF commanders to call off the strike. In these cases, Channel 10 reported Thursday, the IAF sometimes launches a relatively harmless missile at the corner of the roof, avoiding casualties but successfully dispersing the crowd.

It appears that the "roof knocking" technique was used in the assassination of Hamas leader Nizar Ghayan Thursday, but Ghayan decided to stay indoors with his family, and the army opted to bomb the house anyway.
Posted by: 3dc || 01/02/2009 17:19 || Comments || Link || [24 views] Top|| File under:

#1  too

sorry..
Posted by: 3dc || 01/02/2009 17:20 Comments || Top||

#2  Maybe Nizar was watching a good show. You would think that he would have sent the kids up onto the roof until it was over. Human shields work better when they are visible.
Posted by: Super Hose || 01/02/2009 17:43 Comments || Top||

#3  "IAF sometimes launches a relatively harmless missile at the corner of the roof, avoiding casualties but successfully dispersing the crowd."

Pig's blood gives more bang for the buck, if you are into that "dispersing" thing.
Posted by: Poison Reverse || 01/02/2009 18:02 Comments || Top||

#4  They are all fools who don't take war seriously.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 01/02/2009 19:54 Comments || Top||

#5  just fucking bake them. it doesn't matter what you do to show your humanitarian side, so just fuck them and set the dial to extra-crispy. I mean, I applaud your efforts, but demonstrations around the world have shown no one understands that the "Palestinians" are bullies and need to have their ass kicked. It is interesting that in movies (and the general sentiment) when bullies harass their revenge is applauded. not so here; why?
Posted by: PJ || 01/02/2009 23:31 Comments || Top||


PDF with photos and names of some of the rogues the IDF has aided to the next world
A poster with the photographs of several operatives belonging to Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades, Hamas's military-terrorist wing, killed in Operation Cast Lead. The poster was co-published with the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, and the Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades. The text on the bottom of the poster reads:

"[They] are those who ascended to Heaven, Allah willing, in the massacre against the Gaza Strip in December 2008" (mypal, a Palestinian online forum, December 31). Hamas's propaganda campaign attempts to play down the fact that most of those killed in the operation are terrorist operatives.

Posted by: 3dc || 01/02/2009 17:06 || Comments || Link || [34 views] Top|| File under:


Krauthammer: Moral Clarity in Gaza
I love it when he gets pissed
Posted by: Frank G || 01/02/2009 13:20 || Comments || Link || [20 views] Top|| File under:


Report: Hamas acquires rockets capable of reaching Dimona
The Israeli defense establishment has expressed growing concerns Hamas missiles may pose a threat to its top-secret nuclear facility at Dimona, the London Times reported Friday.

The report quoted Israeli officials as saying that Hamas has acquired dozens of Iranian-made Fajr-3 missiles and that the more sophisticated weaponry will bring the nuclear installation in Dimona, some 20 miles east of Beersheba, into its rocket range. Dimona houses Israel's only nuclear reactor and is believed to be where nuclear warheads are stored.

Operation Case Lead has seen Hamas capable of shelling the southern cities of Ashdod and Beersheba -- 18 and 25 miles away from the Gaza Strip.

As for Hamas' actual capabilities, prior to the onset of the Israeli offensive in Gaza, Shin Bet Chief Yuval Diskin said that "Hamas' military wing is ready for a prolonged military conflict with Israel. It has improved it long-range fire capabilities, and may even reach Beersheba."

The extensive bombardment of the southern metropolitan has proven his prediction true.
Posted by: tipper || 01/02/2009 10:26 || Comments || Link || [31 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Global Terrorism Snake Head: Iran
Posted by: hammerhead || 01/02/2009 10:57 Comments || Top||

#2  the fajr weighs about half a ton and is 20 feet long

Hamas won't waste these and they won't set them up where the IDF can see them.
Posted by: mhw || 01/02/2009 12:08 Comments || Top||

#3  20 feet long and half a ton, eh? Wonder how the tunnel rats got those into Gaza ...
Posted by: Steve White || 01/02/2009 12:17 Comments || Top||

#4  Wonder how the tunnel rats got those into Gaza

In humanitarian supply tracks.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 01/02/2009 12:18 Comments || Top||

#5  Seems like this justifies the IDF flattening everything within the missle's radius, just to prevent hiding them. After the obligatory phone call of course.
Posted by: USN, Ret. || 01/02/2009 13:03 Comments || Top||

#6  TOPIX > ISRAELIS SHOCKED AT 40-PLUS KM RANGE OF NEW HAMAS ROCKET. Range is reportedly up to 46-kms???
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 01/02/2009 23:08 Comments || Top||


Israel destroys Hamas homes, flattens Gaza mosque
Israel destroyed the homes of more than a dozen Hamas operatives and bombed one of its mosques on Friday, the seventh day of a blistering offensive in Gaza and the day after a deadly strike killed a prominent Hamas figure.

In what appeared to be a new Israeli tactic, the military called at least some of the houses ahead of time to warn inhabitants of an impending attack. In some cases, it also fired a sound bomb to warn away civilians before flattening the homes with powerful missiles, Palestinians and Israeli defense officials said.

Israel launched the aerial campaign last Saturday in a bid to halt weeks of intensifying Palestinian rocket fire from Gaza. The offensive has dealt a heavy blow to Hamas, but has failed to halt the rocket fire. New attacks Friday struck apartment buildings in a southern Israeli city. No serious injuries were reported.

After destroying Hamas' security compounds, Israel has turned its attention to the group's leadership. In airstrike after airstrike early Friday, Israeli warplanes hit some 20 houses believed to belong to Hamas militants and members of other armed groups, Palestinians said.
Posted by: ed || 01/02/2009 06:08 || Comments || Link || [29 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Knowing the problem is half the solution. The reason Hamas began sending rockets is due to the prison their people have been forced to live in. It is true that Israel does not occupy Gaza, but they have encased Gaza into an area where they do not allow food or supplies to enter to these desperate people. A Prison. Israel controls the air above, the sea and the land surrounding this poor strip of land. They have been cut of from the rest of the world and basic human supplies. The tunnels are their only source to the outside world. If Israel would open up the gates, and treat these people like people, there would be no need for tunnels or aggression. These are desperate people, with no hope, a very dangerous combination! Recently, Condoleezza Rice announced the US is allowing Gaza students to enter the US to continue education. Israel forbade them to leave! Israel is the aggressor for suppressing human beings! There will never be peace in the region until Israel respects basic humanity. The world needs to wake up!
Posted by: Speaper the Wicked9220 || 01/02/2009 8:59 Comments || Top||

#2  There will never be peace until someone is defeated. That's the way war works. This one will go on for a long time because the Paleos don't know how to defeat the Israelis and the Israelis don't have the will to do what needs doing. So it will go on. They deserve each other.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 01/02/2009 9:03 Comments || Top||

#3  So Speaper what variety of troll are you? Saudi, Iranian, Syrian, lefty-loon?

The Paleos live as they do because that is there choice. Let's have a little thought experiment, hmmm?

If the Paleos had not fired one rocket or attacked one Israeli or destroyed one green-house after the horrid Juice left Gaza, what would Gaza be like today? The followers of this dark age death cult (aka muzzies) get the results of their choices. TS
Posted by: AlanC || 01/02/2009 9:27 Comments || Top||

#4  The Paleos chose not to live like people. Therefore, they will be slaughtered like animals.
Posted by: DarthVader || 01/02/2009 9:34 Comments || Top||

#5  I've never heard of a prison before where the inmates are able to fire missiles at their 'guards' for weeks on end before getting their just deserts.
Posted by: Bulldog || 01/02/2009 9:36 Comments || Top||

#6  What the world calls terrorists, in this case, could just as easily be called freedom fighters. These people have had their land and their homes taken away from them and have been forced into what would be called here in the US a reservation. Israelis are living in homes built by Palestinians; they are farming land which was once farmed by Palestinians. When the Palestinians fight back, they are called terrorists to hide what Israel has done to them.

Jews are not the enemy of the Arab nations and their people; the government of Israel is. Hundreds, if not thousands of Jews actually live in peace in Iran, one of the fiercest enemies of Israel. It is the nation of Israel that causes the problems over there. That government should be on the list of terrorist nations. They have committed attrocities against the Palestinians which have gone unpunished, because the world is afraid to condemn their actions. Every time someone does call them on the carpet, they are accused of anti-semitism and the holocaust is brought up.

Israel has even been caught spying on the US, with no action taken against them. It is time they were held accountable for their actions, just as we try to hold the Arab nations accountable for theirs. No diplomatic relations with Iran? Fine... how about severing ties with Israel. Once their support from us dries up, perhaps they might realize they can't get away with their actions... they can't get away with murder.
Posted by: David C || 01/02/2009 10:14 Comments || Top||

#7  Ten years ago, from CIA list, terrorist organization named KLA (involved in kidnapping and killing non Albanian population on Kosovo) was backed up by US Government and given state. Why double standards, why so many blocked UN resolutions against Israel. How many civilians Israel has to kill prior obvious happen- Palestinian State. Until US unconditionally support Israel PEOPLE will die.
Posted by: Jake || 01/02/2009 10:16 Comments || Top||

#8  THOU SHALL NOT KILL, PERIOD.

All followers of the three (3) great Abrahamic religions, Judaism,
Christianity and Islam believe in the Ten (10) Commandments. In our humble
opinion, if anyone killed another innocent human being or himself, he is neither
a Jew, nor a Christian, nor a Muslim, because he disobeyed one of the
most important Commandments of Almighty God (Allah): Thou Shall Not Kill.
……..

Given below are some of the verses from the Holy Qur’an in support
thereof, referring to the number of Surah (Chapter) first followed by
the number of Ayah (Verse), later (from an English translation of the
Holy Qur’an by Mr. Muhammad Marmaduke Pickthall).

Yet ye (Children of Israel) it is who slay each other and drive out a
party of your people from their homes, supporting one another against
them by sin and transgression, and if they came to you as captives ye
would ransom them, whereas their expulsion was itself unlawful for you.
Believe ye in part of the Scripture and disbelieve ye in part thereof?
(2:85)

Lo! those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah (God Almighty), and
slay the Prophets wrongfully, and slay those of mankind who enjoin
equity: announce them a painful doom. (3:21)
Posted by: qazi || 01/02/2009 10:28 Comments || Top||

#9  No, David, they're not freedom fighters, they're terrorists:

1) they seek to murder Israeli civilians. If they wanted to be freedom fighters, they would avoid killing civilians and go after the Israeli army. But they don't seem to do that.

2) they hide behind their own civilians, putting them at risk. If they wanted to be freedom fighters, they would avoid risking their own people.

3) they use indiscriminate weapons of terror. If they wanted to be freedom fighters, they would put away the Qassam rockets and use more precise weapons in their fight against the Israelis.
Posted by: Steve White || 01/02/2009 10:29 Comments || Top||

#10  Speaper earns an appropriate moniker. My hat tip again to the naming algorithm.

Gaza does not need to be a prison. When Israel withdrew it gave the Gazans every chance to live peacefully with them. Remember the incident with the greenhouses? That was repeated throughout Gaza. And almost right away the Gazans began going after the Israelis. That's the reason for the wall. And then the Gazans began to light off rockets.

Ever wonder why the Egyptians keep the Rafah border crossing under such tight control? Why would the Gazans brother Arabs not allow free crossing? Yup, there'd be no need for tunnels if they could get along with the Egyptians, but they can't.

The tunnels, by the way, are used to smuggle ammo, guns, rockets, and cigarettes into Gaza, well before smuggling food. And given the stocks in the grocery stores (re the pic with that British ninny who came in by boat from Cyprus), the Gazans seem to be well fed.

And if I were Secretary of State, I wouldn't allow any Gazans into the US for any reason.
Posted by: Steve White || 01/02/2009 10:34 Comments || Top||

#11  So Qazi, what do we do with all the Muslims in Gaza who are out killing people?

How about the Hamas and Fatah hard boys who went after each other?

How about the Hamas rocketeers who kill innocent civilians?

Let me know what your holy book says about that.
Posted by: Steve White || 01/02/2009 10:36 Comments || Top||

#12  THOU SHALL NOT KILL, PERIOD.

I believe it translates 'Thou shall not commit murder.' Eskimo have hundreds of words for snow, in all its variations; Mid-easterners seem to have as many for killing, in all its variations - I can't imagine why.
Posted by: Glenmore || 01/02/2009 10:38 Comments || Top||

#13  Jake apparently can't make us his mind as to what he wants, except that whatever the US is for, he's against.

The KLA, odious as they were, didn't light off rockets into Serbia. And while they were insurgents, they (generally) didn't go after obvious civilians. Not that I'd want the KLA in my country either.

All the nonsense in Gaza could end tomorrow if Hamas and the Gazans simply agreed to respect the border, work with the Egyptians, and not attack Israel in any way. The world community would flood the strip with aid, the Israelis would hold their fire, and the Egyptians would be persuaded to open the border.

What David C willfully misses is this: Hamas is dedicated to destroying Israel. It's in their charter. You could look it up. And they continue, at every opportunity possible, to lash out against the Israelis.

If you go to the zoo, hop the barrier fence, pick up a stick, and repeatedly jab a tiger, don't be surprised when the tiger mauls you.
Posted by: Steve White || 01/02/2009 10:42 Comments || Top||

#14  David, first of all these people did not have their lands and homes taken from them. They voluntarily, of their own free will, left their homes in advance of the Arab attack on Israel back when Israel was first formed. They left in order to be able to return and participate in the rape of Israel.

And its funny that, before the creation of Israel there were no Palestinian people - they did not exist. The people there were Syrians, Jordanians, Egyptians, etc...

It is not their fight against Israel which makes them terrorists - its their methods of deliberately targeting and murdering civilians - the more and younger the better. Didn't Hamas celebrate when a 8 month pregnant woman and her 4 (under 12) daughters were murdered in cold blood?

Israel does not target Civilians. They target Hamas terrorists who both hide behind civilians and in dense civilian populations as well as place their ammo dumps and bunkers in Hospitals, Mosques, and Schools. Any civilian casualties are the fault of Hamas - not Israel.

Israel does its utmost to _not_ hit civilians - up to and including calling the residents of the target building and advising them to evacuate.

The 'peaceful' Jew (and Christians) who live in Iran live in a Dhimmi culture (look it up) as third class 'citizens' under their Muslim masters. Try building a church or synagogue in Saudi Arabia or Iran. Talk to the Coptic Christians of Egypt. Churches are being openly burned to the ground in Indonesia and the government does nothing. Christian children there are murdered for the crime of being christian and their murders get a slap on the wrist while christian parents face a death sentence for the high crime of inviting their kids muslim friends to an easter party.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 01/02/2009 10:43 Comments || Top||

#15  Pssst... Mucky! She's back! Easy on deh drag... shshshshssssss
Posted by: .5MT || 01/02/2009 10:54 Comments || Top||

#16  When the Palestinians love their kids more than hate Jews they will begin to look for peace.
Posted by: Formerly Dan || 01/02/2009 10:58 Comments || Top||

#17  Wish the lefty crazies would go elsewhere since most of the R-Burgers are former intell people who know more accurately what the score is versus the Muslim World League-ers and Cynthia McKinney-ites.
Posted by: hammerhead || 01/02/2009 11:08 Comments || Top||

#18  Thats great and all until one looks at reality and sees with open eyes:
1)There are people who don't believe in the passages and go out of their way to kill
2)There are people like me who will kill those people to protect my family; I go to hell so my family lives and goes to heaven.

How many plowshare can one make out of a single kassam unguided saturn missile? The Egyptians 1000's of years ago were able to do more civic projects with less technology. Fact is Gazans have had enough generations grow up with hate that it has turned into a pasttime, much like tailgating before the game has here, except in this case the superfans like to drive bulldozers over others based solely on ignorant bigotry.

And you would be hard pressed to convince me otherwise with this concept of Arab Street, where everyone makes a point to know eveyone else's business (makes the Gauls look like introverts IMHO), that nobody knew that their neighbors were conducting operations against Israeli civilian targets with random killing weapons.

If they spent 1/4 of their energy spent hating on tending their own garden theirs would be a paradise on earth as much as any other culture in history which has made the desert bloom. Instead they take the easier self-satisfying low road of attempting superficial short term gains solely by violence.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 01/02/2009 11:23 Comments || Top||

#19  Wicked: "they have encased Gaza into an area where they do not allow food or supplies to enter to these desperate people"

If you actually believe that, you're beyond stupid. If not, then you're just a plain old evil anti-semite.

No one stops food or non-military supplies. In fact, the Philistines are GIVEN all the food, fuel, and water they can use. The only thing the Philistines give in return is violence and hate. But I suspect you already know this. By the way, what's your position on the right of return for Jews to Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc? You realize most inhabitants of Israel have been dispossessed by Arabs, right???
Posted by: Scooter McGruder || 01/02/2009 11:30 Comments || Top||

#20  Isn't it comical how these shitbirds always declare that they love the Israeli people and the American people, it's just their governments they despise. Buy a f**kin' clue moron. And, just why is Rice promoting the entry of this scum into our country ? Have you seen the demonstrations by these foreign invaders in Dearborn, Ft. Lauderdale, LA ? Why is it not legal to go remove these fifth column terrorists from our midst ? And, you may only guess how I might suggest doing it. It is sacrilege to allow this scum to dirty the streets of this country when our citizens have been sacrificed trying to control this scum. We have many who won't return, and many who have whose lives are permanently altered. And, to allow this on our streets ? This just about drives me buggy.
Posted by: Woozle Elmeter 2700 || 01/02/2009 11:59 Comments || Top||

#21  Woozle:
An analyst on TV was discussing the very real problem with Hamas and Hezbollah members living here in the US. The Palestinians have used charities as fronts to fund terrorism and buy and smuggle those 20' missiles capable of reaching Dimona. And why State encourages more to come here when we have a massive Homeland Security problem with so many potential sleepers living next door to us is beyond me!?! We won't even let our National Guard protect us from foreign and domestic enemies freely crossing the border, let alone target them as Israel is doing. The Palestinians are indefensible, the Israelis have the right to defend themselves, and the US should be following their lead.
Posted by: Danielle || 01/02/2009 14:05 Comments || Top||

#22  Nuke the strip
Posted by: Spereper Dingle6504 || 01/02/2009 14:06 Comments || Top||

#23  occupation came first and under international law they have a right to resist
Posted by: Slotle Turkeyneck9015 || 01/02/2009 14:39 Comments || Top||

#24  Occupation's over, loser. Wake the f*ck up, intellectually, and morally
Posted by: Frank G || 01/02/2009 14:42 Comments || Top||

#25  "Palestinians" are an invention of the Egyptian and Jordanian governments (two more ethnicities made up by the British) so they could wash their hands of governing their own barbarian demographic.

Phakestinians should be be treated with exactly the same charity the Hamas charter extends to the Jews.
Posted by: Excalibur || 01/02/2009 14:47 Comments || Top||

#26  not sure who should weak up?
Governments comes and go , people stay.
Tell me how many Israeli Palestinians killed and how many children Israel killed. “baby killers”
Posted by: Slotle Turkeyneck9015 || 01/02/2009 15:06 Comments || Top||

#27  :-) a chew toy. An ignorant one.
Posted by: Frank G || 01/02/2009 15:11 Comments || Top||

#28  ethnicities made up by the British

I sometimes wonder what the world would look like today without the overprint of European colonialism. 'We' (er, 'they'?) blame so many of the problems of our time - Rwanda, Rhodesia, Pakistan, Palestine, Vietnam ... the list goes on - on 'colonial legacy'. Yet, with virtually no exceptions, the best times any of those places ever knew was under colonial rule. Makes one suspect the problems are not from the colonialism, but from its end - that we are now where we would have been in the first place, but delayed by colonial intervention and exacerbated by modern weapons and communication.
Posted by: Glenmore || 01/02/2009 15:14 Comments || Top||

#29  I know there's a lot of Palestinian children killed by Hamas placing military and terrorist installations in dense civilian population centers, schools, mosques, and hospitals - and that is just in the last week or so.

Also a lot of Palistinian children saved by the Israeli process of calling up the residents of a target building to advise them to evacute before hitting it.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 01/02/2009 15:18 Comments || Top||

#30  Under international law that has to be typed Right to Resist©.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 01/02/2009 15:55 Comments || Top||

#31  and of course, moral high ground for Turkeydick is when Hamas fires missiles from the grounds of a UN school in Gaza, right?

Gateway has the link and video, so f*ck you, Turkeydick, right in your ear
Posted by: Frank G || 01/02/2009 16:08 Comments || Top||

#32  What self-respecting chew toy would stick with "Slotle Turkeyneck9015"?
Posted by: Darrell || 01/02/2009 16:09 Comments || Top||

#33  hurry Mucky damn it, Frank's working the line but him not subtle
Posted by: .5MT || 01/02/2009 16:50 Comments || Top||

#34  I spied a Nuke! 4oz. of Borus Vodka, 1/2 Habenero in a shaker with crushed ice. A pinch of salt. Shake and pour into a Martini glass. Add a Cayenne for color.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 01/02/2009 17:00 Comments || Top||

#35  you haven't answered the question yet, who came first hamas or occupation?
see i can respond to you with out any profanity
and you haven’t tell us how many Israelis (young and old) hamas and other Palestinians insurgents killed, and how many babes I mean babes(under 1 year old) Israel killed?
Posted by: Slotle Turkeyneck9015 || 01/02/2009 17:10 Comments || Top||

#36  intent matters. Civilians (real, not made-up Paleo civilians) are not targetted by the eeeevil Joooos. Only Hamas and the other "offshoots" from that inbred family tree targets civilians. That makes them war criminals by international law. There is no occupation, and if teh Paleos could stop their death cult worship, and quit shooting rockets at Joooo civilians, they might enjoy life, but nooooo they locate their weapons among real children (a typical cowardly Islamic tradition, it appears) and revel in the martyrdom of the "babes" when they are counterattacked. You brainwashed fool
Posted by: Frank G || 01/02/2009 17:15 Comments || Top||

#37  Israel destroys it and the EU re-builds it with upgraded stainless steel appliances and granite counter tops.
Posted by: Poison Reverse || 01/02/2009 17:15 Comments || Top||

#38  by the way, every time a "mosque" is blowedup real good, and the secondary explosions from the illegal weapons stored there go off real big? I ululate, and pass out candy to the neighborhood kids

cya!
Posted by: Frank G || 01/02/2009 17:17 Comments || Top||

#39  Slotle,

You need to read up on the real intentions of Hamas. The term "occupation" when mentioned by Hamas, is not only talking about the Gaza Strip or West Bank. Hamas defines term "occupation" as ALL of Israel. That means ALL Jews must leave the Middle East. I was just wondering if you were aware of that fact?
Posted by: Poison Reverse || 01/02/2009 17:21 Comments || Top||

#40  I can tell you are blood thirsty like the ones you are defending and the ones you came from?
Posted by: Slotle Turkeyneck9015 || 01/02/2009 17:23 Comments || Top||

#41  yes I'm a ware of it, same when Israel say all Palestinian territories it is for Israel and not for anyone else.
that is a tactic both side playing
Posted by: Slotle Turkeyneck9015 || 01/02/2009 17:27 Comments || Top||

#42  Which came first? Israeli pull-out from Gaza or the kidnapping of Schalit? Who observes the Genevea convention - Israel or Hamas? Who ended the most recent "truce" - Israel or Hamas? Who protects civilians and who hides behind them - Israel or Hamas? Who avoids civilian casualties, and who targets them? Israel or Hamas?

Two can play this game. Answer some questions, you evil anti-semite.
Posted by: Scooter McGruder || 01/02/2009 17:32 Comments || Top||

#43  The kidnapping of the head of the Palestinian parliament and other 10 K of Palestinians that still in prison came first or those don’t count?
You should be ashamed of your self to bring Geneva Convention,
What truce was it about 23 Palestinians killed during this periods and hundreds die of lack of medical and hunger because on the embargo and border closing
Yes Israel protect there civilian and hid behind the Palestinian during each incursion I wish and can post videos and picture to see the soldier how they hid behind women and children (tha is palestinians women and kids)
When you can’t answer questions call people anti-smite, that is old come up with some thing new genius
Posted by: Slotle Turkeyneck9015 || 01/02/2009 17:47 Comments || Top||

#44  "yes I'm a ware of it, same when Israel say all Palestinian territories it is for Israel and not for anyone else. that is a tactic both side playing"

If Israel wanted all the land, then why are they providing 70% of the electricity to the Gaza Strip?

If Israel wanted all the land, then why did Israel give back the Al-Aqsa Mosque back to Jordan after Israel defeated Jordan in the '73 war?

Posted by: Poison Reverse || 01/02/2009 17:48 Comments || Top||

#45  Not sure about your logic here.
Of course they will provide electricity for 2 reasons
1) International law oblige they occupier to provide all the necessary means to the occupied and you said it 70 % only( that is Israel and it respect to international law)
2) if they let them get there power from some where els then they loose power over that part.
Again you are not connecting the dots or you don’t want to.
Why give it to Jordan, Israel is occupying Palestine and not Jordon. (if it is Jordanian can any Jordanian drive to pray in the mosque?

Posted by: Slotle Turkeyneck9015 || 01/02/2009 18:06 Comments || Top||

#46  1. Show me a link of the international law that states, Israel must provide electricity to terrorists that are killing them.

2. Where else will they get power from? If you are thinking Egypt of Lebanon, wrong answer.

3. The Al-Aqsa Mosque is a Sunni Mosque, if you are Sunni, you can worship there, including Jordanians driving in a car.

Posted by: Poison Reverse || 01/02/2009 18:15 Comments || Top||

#47  No one is starving in Gaza. If you've ever seen video footage it's plain as day most of them are FAT! No one dies from lack of medicine in Gaza, they have modern fully stocked hospitals (that may be running low on supplies now, but that's what happens when you start a war and lose). All prisoners in Israeli jails are held in standard with "International Law" and full access by the Red Cross/Crescent/Thingy. When was the last time Shalit got visit from the Red Cross/Crescent/Thingy?? Who can even say if he's still alive? Why does Hamas store ordnance in Mosques? In private homes? In children's schools? Why do Gazans kill their own children with mis-handled munitions? Why is Hamas obsessed with killing Jews, instead of their many opportunities to build a peaceful society? Try again, anti-semite.
Posted by: Scooter McGruder || 01/02/2009 18:19 Comments || Top||

#48  Congratulations, Slotle, you are now in the same class as those pioneers of activist media, Goebbels and Streicher.
Follow their path, share their fate. ("Turkey neck" indeed.)
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 01/02/2009 18:31 Comments || Top||

#49  I am so looking forward to the next Nuremberg tribunal. We will have to move it to the Astrodome to accommodate all the defendants who will be occupying the Julius Streicher's former chair.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 01/02/2009 18:36 Comments || Top||

#50  FYI a bit of enlightement for the pro-terroist jerks here regarding "Thou Shalt Not Kill".

There are 2 words in Hebrew that involve taking a life. One is Harog, the other Tirzach. The latter means murder, the former means kill.

The prohibition in the Decalogue is Lo Tirzach Thou shalt not murder. Unlike Christinity there is no pacifist underpinnnings in Judaism and one must always do the most ethical and as the Book of Ecclesiastes (Koheleth) points out 'To everything there is a season.....a time for war, a time for peace"

So there you have it - you are WRONG and owe apologies.

Are you courageous enough to own up to your error and apologise?
Posted by: OldSpook || 01/02/2009 18:42 Comments || Top||

#51  No one dies from lack of medicine in Gaza, I;m sure you get all your info from Israeli news and the FOX.
The only prisoner that are been allowed red X and ) are the ones that have some kind of civic crimes(shoplifting,,,,,,) . But the politicians and activist no way.
For the Israeli prisoner Egypt and EU been given access, do you watch real the news ?
For hiding in the mosques, Israel bomb mosques churches restaurants houses……) , So do give me that crap.
Again how many Israeli killed by Palestinians and how many babes killed by Israel
Posted by: Slotle Turkeyneck9015 || 01/02/2009 18:58 Comments || Top||

#52  Slotle, fewer than you racist bastards kill.
Posted by: OldSpook || 01/02/2009 19:02 Comments || Top||

#53  that is all you have for answer?
Posted by: Slotle Turkeyneck9015 || 01/02/2009 19:05 Comments || Top||

#54  Turkey,

Now, you're just recycling your earlier statements that have already been responded to.

Recycle! Recycle!
Posted by: Poison Reverse || 01/02/2009 19:07 Comments || Top||

#55  Slotle - its more complete than any you have given. I notice all you do is ask.

You will ANSWER. EIther here or to God.

And evil disingenuous assholes like you shoudl fear that day.
Posted by: OldSpook || 01/02/2009 19:11 Comments || Top||

#56  ANd by7 the way, YOU are tohe one making the extraordianry claims - its up to YOU to post the extraordinary proof.

Otherwise you are just another simpleminded arab, or a propagandist.
Posted by: OldSpook || 01/02/2009 19:13 Comments || Top||

#57  I'm so tired of people stating that Israel wants to control Gaza like it some sort of truism. It's a product of willful ignorance or intellectual dishonesty. If they wanted it, they wouldn't have tried their level best to give it to Egypt.

The simple fact is, Israels wants it GONE, but NOBODY WANTS IT! Excepting militant Palestinians whom Israel CAN'T give it to.
Posted by: Mike N. || 01/02/2009 19:17 Comments || Top||

#58  FRANK: I ululate, and pass out candy to the neighborhood kids

u---u---u---ululateu----u-----u----u----u----ululate ululate****ululate****ululate****ululate
Posted by: Red Dawg || 01/02/2009 19:21 Comments || Top||

#59  No one dies from lack of medicine in Gaza, I;m sure you get all your info from Israeli news and the FOX.

Perhaps if the ignorant shits bought their own farking medicine! instead of weapons that have long since proven to
Posted by: Mike N. || 01/02/2009 19:27 Comments || Top||

#60  Ooops!

NOT LEAD TO STEHOOD!, they wouldn't die from lack of medicine. But NoOoOoO, those fucks kill all the food in the greenhouses instead!

They haven't offered anything to the world since the lateen sail. Since then they've done exactly dick!
Posted by: Mike N. || 01/02/2009 19:29 Comments || Top||

#61  The unwashed truth is all the answer required to answr lies, note That means you. (Whatever name you use)
Posted by: Rednek Jim || 01/02/2009 19:31 Comments || Top||

#62  Too much for Israel to handle, that is why they want out of GAZA.
Who ever is insulting is a simpleminded and I'm not going to go down to your level
Posted by: Slotle Turkeyneck9015 || 01/02/2009 19:32 Comments || Top||

#63  If you realize that Israel doesn't want Gaza, why did you state earlier that they DO?

You're not among your propaganda swallowing friends here, son. In this here castle, you can't have it both ways.
Posted by: Mike N. || 01/02/2009 19:35 Comments || Top||

#64  open the borders!!!!! and let them buy or die they din't ask for your money did they?
Posted by: Slotle Turkeyneck9015 || 01/02/2009 19:39 Comments || Top||

#65  They most certainly did ask for my money. And Europes, and Israels and other Arabs nations etc etc. They ask for it every single friggin year.

Next is the 'They didn't ask to be born!' defense?
Posted by: Mike N. || 01/02/2009 19:42 Comments || Top||

#66  open the borders = let the Paleo poison out and weapons in, idiot. Think nobody here knows what Paleo jibberish is? We understand the situation, and have had better Paleo chew toys than you. You're boring. I'm done with you.

Happy Ground Invasion tomorrow. The day of Hamas illusionary power and rocket-sex is OVAH, bitch!


/washes hands carefully
Posted by: Frank G || 01/02/2009 19:46 Comments || Top||

#67  Mike N
I never said they give it a way they want to give it a way the same why the give the mosque
They are out but still control all the borders so the food power and anything that goes in and out is controlled by Israel,
You are they one defending the baby killers so who is her for propaganda?
Posted by: Slotle Turkeyneck9015 || 01/02/2009 19:48 Comments || Top||

#68  "You are they one defending the baby killers"

You're the only one here defending the paleos, turkeyneck.

Oh, yeah - that's right. Joooooo babies don't count with you, do they?

Go crawl back under your rock with your murderous buddies. And tell your masters handlers to send the "A" team next time. You're pathetic, repetitive, and boring.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 01/02/2009 19:52 Comments || Top||

#69  Certainly they didn’t ask Israel actually Israel owes Palestinians millions of dollars from taxes.
And Americans are paying for Israel weapons including me, and look what they are doing with it killing babies
Posted by: Slotle Turkeyneck9015 || 01/02/2009 19:53 Comments || Top||

#70  barbara ,you just wok up,
they do count as matter of fact , the PLO condemned it every time, can you tell me when Israeli GOV ever condemned the killing of the Palestinian’s babies?
Posted by: Slotle Turkeyneck9015 || 01/02/2009 19:59 Comments || Top||

#71  *Yawn*

Fred, what did we do to attract such pathetic trolls? I seem to remember when we had a much higher class of the little loser assholes living in their mom's basement.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 01/02/2009 19:59 Comments || Top||

#72  Does the phrase baby killers not sound a bit like propaganda to you?
Posted by: Mike N. || 01/02/2009 20:02 Comments || Top||

#73  apparently, the quality-troll bubble is over as well. God forbid they ask for a bailout, since most live/post from Momma's cellar already
Posted by: Frank G || 01/02/2009 20:05 Comments || Top||

#74  Slotle, dear, if the PLO condemned attacking children, why are they targeting kindergartens?

Go crawl back under your rock, and don't come out again til you've actually bothered to think matters through.
Posted by: mom || 01/02/2009 20:12 Comments || Top||

#75  Slotle if you think things are so unjust and you are such a hero, why not pick up a rifle and go fight?

You are a coward, that's why you are here and not there. You will nto even answer questions or provide the proof your claims require.

Completely gutless.

I've killed better men than you.
Posted by: OldSpook || 01/02/2009 20:17 Comments || Top||

#76  Inform your self, PLO is not armed anymore and doesn't carry any attack on Israel since the Oslo accord
Israel killing people every day, it is a bad addiction!!
Posted by: Slotle Turkeyneck9015 || 01/02/2009 20:29 Comments || Top||

#77  Turkeyneck, I see you have no rational response to our questions. If you can't engage in civil, well-reasoned, discourse... well, I can promise you'll be out of here soon.
Posted by: Scooter McGruder || 01/02/2009 20:29 Comments || Top||

#78  Turkey - I still am waiting for the apology by Paleos for all that candy passing around after 911.
They can FOAD...
Posted by: 3dc || 01/02/2009 20:30 Comments || Top||

#79  I don't fight, I just state the fact and you can either accept it or not. That is your choice
Still haven’t called you any names. Yet,
Posted by: Slotle Turkeyneck9015 || 01/02/2009 20:33 Comments || Top||

#80  "I don't fight" - typical Paleo supporter from afar
Posted by: Frank G || 01/02/2009 20:40 Comments || Top||

#81  Like I said, you are a coward - that's not namecalling, its stating a fact, as shown by your lack of courage to even answer questions here or present your case with facts to back it up.

The Iraqi Army back in 91 had lots of men far better than you. They were soldiers. On the wrong side, but soldiers. Those that lived are on the right side now.

You're just a typical "upper class" Arab from all that I can tell. Sputing off ball brave, accusing others of the evils you do (its a psychological malady in the Arab world called "prjection", boy, go look it up). WHen confronted with reality and hard truth, you show your true selves: Gutless, superstitious, massive inferiority complex, and capable only of in hiding behind (or in) your mother' kirt.

Post proof and facts, or leave.
Posted by: OldSpook || 01/02/2009 20:49 Comments || Top||

#82  Inform yourself. PLO is not armed anymore and doesn't carry any attack on Israel since the Oslo accord

Inform yourself, you ignorant bastard. Fatah are indeed armed. So was al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade.
Posted by: Mike N. || 01/02/2009 21:07 Comments || Top||

#83  Slothe,

I will not call you names. I will suggest a thought excercise.

Why through classical history do you not see the word palestine nor palestinian?

Why do Egypt and Jordan close the borders and keep them closed?

This next one is really fun. Draw a map of the region. Now since the UN authorized creation of Israel (the modern state, that is) in that region color all of the countries which have attacked Israel.

After said exercise, how many have attacked Israel?

Now repeat, but adjust for attacks outside the creation of modern israel. This requires a view to classical history, How many ancient empires have resolved to destroy Israel?

How do you react or respond to Hamas spending resources on weapons post gaza pull out instead of infrastructure? What are the expenditures in Euro or Dollar of hamas on weapons vs. Infrastructure?

How do you react to egyptian press calling Hamas responsible for the situtation?

And lastly, and most importantly, what are your typical sources of info?

Not a single name calling, and simple thought excersie here. I am interested in your truthful and thoughtful answers.
Posted by: bombay || 01/02/2009 21:11 Comments || Top||

#84  "I am interested in your truthful and thoughtful answers."

Hope you're not holding your breath, bombay honey.

Truthful and thoughtful are above this loser's pay grade.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 01/02/2009 21:31 Comments || Top||

#85  Truthful and thoughtful are above this loser's pay grade.
hint: he's Arab?
Posted by: Frank G || 01/02/2009 21:39 Comments || Top||

#86  What the world calls terrorists, in this case, could just as easily be called freedom fighters. These people have had their land and their homes taken away from them and have been forced into what would be called here in the US a reservation.

I live in a majority white town right next to an Indian reservation. Our girl's basketball teams play each other a few times a year. When we both have enough boys in their teens, our high schools play football. Then we all go have dinner at the local eatery.

I'm sorry, what was your ignorant ass talking about again?
Posted by: Secret Master || 01/02/2009 22:04 Comments || Top||

#87  For hiding in the mosques, Israel bomb mosques churches restaurants houses......)

Israel bombed these Sebarro pizzaria?

f'en worm
Posted by: Beavis || 01/02/2009 22:48 Comments || Top||


Gaza's tunnel economy collapses in bombing raids
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip -- The Gaza Strip has lost its last lifeline after five days of Israeli bombing raids that destroyed dozens of smuggling tunnels under the sandy border with Egypt. The passages did not just supply Hamas with arms, but brought in flour, fuel and baby milk.
But mostly arms ...
Ah, the legendary baby milk! What about adult milk? Or teeen-age milk? How about geriatric milk? Diapers? MP3 players? TVs? Tell me more!
For Gazans, already used to blackouts and shortages from an 18-month border blockade, the daily hunt for basics is ever more desperate -- though there are no reports of outright hunger.
And guns, rockets, explosives, ammunition, yellow bandanas, ski masks, assault weapons, grenades, RPGs, and did I mention guns?
"I fed the children cooked tomatoes today, I can't find bread," Nima Burdeini, a mother of 11, said Wednesday at the Rafah refugee camp on the Gaza-Egypt border.
Cooked tomatoes? You mean they still have gas?
Israeli warplanes pounded the illicit tunnels as a part of the heavy bombardment of Hamas targets in Gaza that began Saturday. The hundreds of tunnels were seen as key to keeping Hamas in power.

After the Islamic militants seized Gaza by force in June 2007, Israel and Egypt imposed a blockade on the territory, allowing in only basic goods and humanitarian supplies. Most of Gaza's 3,900 factories have closed, unable to import raw materials or export products. Construction halted and thousands of people were thrown out of work, deepening poverty in an area where most of the 1.4 million residents rely on U.N. food aid to get by.
Therein lies the problem ...
At times, Israel tightened the closure, restricting the inflow of fuel, cash and other key supplies. The blockade caused frequent power outages and interruptions in the water supply.
And the Thugees still didn't get the message ...
In the two months leading up to Israel's offensive, Israel kept Gaza tightly sealed in an attempt to force Gaza militants to stop firing rockets at southern Israeli towns.

The tunnels became a lifesaver for Hamas -- and for Gaza. Some were used to sneak in arms, including rockets that militants are now firing into Israel. But some a few most of the underground passages were used to haul in consumer goods, from motor bikes to goats, refrigerators, flour and chocolates.
Refrigerators? Yeesh, I'm sure with tunnels like that they had plenty of guns.
The tunnel area that residents once jokingly referred to as Gaza's "duty-free zone" is now a wasteland of smashed concrete and deep craters, churned up by Israeli bombs.

Late Wednesday, the tunnel area was struck by 19 times within a half hour, residents said. A Gaza health official, Moawiya Hassanain, said two people were killed and 42 wounded, including at least four children. Before that report, Israeli air force officials said the bombing campaign had demolished more than 80 tunnels. Egyptian officials said the number was at least 120.
How would they know?
Residents say there are several hundred tunnels under the 9-mile border. Owners said they believe many tunnels are badly damaged, but tunnel workers fear going near the area to check because of the attacks.
If I were the commander of the Israeli forces and had a perverse streak, I'd announce a truce and an 'all clear' -- for a day. And when the tunnel rats swarmed underground I'd light them up again. But that's just me.
The tunnels are not visible from the air, but their locations are well known -- brazen owners put up colorful tents over tunnel entrances.
Where roaches check in but they don't check out.
Economist Omar Shaban estimated some two-thirds of goods sold in Gaza came through the tunnels. From diggers, drivers and haulers, the passages employed around 12,000 Gazans, Shaban said. "It was Gaza's new economy, even if it was just importing commercial goods," Shaban said.
Commercial goods. Right. Dictionary's right over there, pal.
Tunnel owner Abu Sufian said he and his colleagues lost millions of dollars in merchandise that they had paid for, but that cannot be delivered now from the Egyptian side.

Shaban said destroying the tunnels would bruise, but not bloody Hamas' Gaza rule. The militant group also funds itself through local extortion taxes and a network of businesses controlled by loyalists, he said.

But demolishing the tunnels has deepened civilian suffering.
But not enough to stop the rocket fire. Keep turning the screws.
Throughout Gaza, Israel's bombings have brought Gaza's dwindling economic activity to a halt. For fear of getting caught in an airstrike, wholesalers aren't distributing their goods and many shopkeepers stay home. Shelves are emptying at grocery stores. In most areas, the few shops open are those whose owners live nearby. People don't venture beyond their own streets, leaving them hostage to shortages and rising prices. Flour for baking is in short supply, and there is little cash to buy goods because banks are closed.

Burdeni, 45, the mother of 11, relies on U.N. aid to feed her children, but officials halted food distribution Dec. 18, citing shortages caused by the border closure.

"People are doing pretty badly. Everyone we know is sharing whatever they have, not just with their families but with their neighbors," said Karen Abu Zayd, commissioner of the U.N. Relief and Works Agency, which helps needy Palestinians.
"Here, have some bullets. One of my sons who I encouraged to join Hamas and be a terrorist doesn't need them anymore."
"We haven't seen widespread hunger. We do see for the very first time -- I've been here for eight years and seeing new things nowadays -- people going through the rubbish dumps looking for things, people begging, which is quite a new phenomenon as well," she said by video link to reporters at U.N. headquarters in New York.
But I thought that Gaza was one continuous humanitarian train wreck according to the UN.
Chris Gunness, a U.N. spokesman, said aid distribution should resume Thursday as Israel allows humanitarian aid into Gaza. The United Nations issued a new emergency appeal Wednesday for $34 million to deal with the new crisis.
And they'll only keep half of it for their own travel, hotel and dining expenses.
Burdeni's brother gives her small amounts of cash, but the search for food is becoming tougher. Burdeni found tomatoes Wednesday, cooking them when electricity flickered on in her area. "My children ate it with spoons," she said bitterly.
Better than what the Jews got in the concentration camps. But wait, you don't believe in that.
In Gaza City, Hiba Dahshan, 22, said the price for a 110-pound bag of flour had jumped from $30 to $100. Her family can't afford it, but the local shop still has cheese and canned meat -- their menu the past three days. She can't find vegetables on her street.
Well, maybe if you hadn't scrapped the greenhouses the Israelis left you when they bailed out you could have had some to eat. Of course, you'd also have to stop supporting folks like Hamas, too.
Despite the shortages, some people said they are eating more than usual -- because they're pinned down at home and gripped with anxiety from the sounds of bombs exploding around them. "I'm eating with like a savage," Dahshan said.
Share some of that with Burdeni, would you?
Bader Tulbeh, 46, described his eight children as "locusts" with newly enlarged appetites. "They are an army," Tulbeh said while purchasing vegetables from a vendor in central Gaza City.
Looks like Bader and Burdeni need to coordinate their lies better.
Eight kids??? You need to spend some money on rubbers, fool. Haven't these idiots ever heard of birth control? Doesn't the UN teach ANYTHING useful there
The male kids become splodydopes, the females become breeders. Stick with the plan ...
Maher Lubad, 45, a salaried worker in the northern Gaza Strip town of Beit Lahiya, bought lentils on credit from his cousin's grocery shop because he couldn't withdraw any money from the bank.

Meanwhile, tunnel owners watch and wait. "Even as they bomb us, we are thinking of how to make new tunnels. Maybe we'll try go under the sea," said tunnel owner Abu Sufian.
You do that. Make sure to videotape the entire undertaking.
Posted by: gorb || 01/02/2009 03:21 || Comments || Link || [18 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "she sobbed: 'my children had to eat tomatoes...with sporks'"
Posted by: Frank G || 01/02/2009 5:00 Comments || Top||

#2  Burdeni, 45, the mother of 11, relies on U.N. aid to feed her children

Looks like certain humanitarian goods were left off the manifest.
Posted by: .5MT || 01/02/2009 7:56 Comments || Top||

#3  Let them eat fried Qassam with a side dish of boiled suicide belt.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 01/02/2009 7:57 Comments || Top||

#4  Really - dig that canal to the sea, Israel.
Posted by: 3dc || 01/02/2009 10:02 Comments || Top||

#5  "Tunnel owner Abu Sufian said he and his colleagues lost millions of dollars in merchandise that they had paid for, but that cannot be delivered now from the Egyptian side."

He just got caught in the tunnel bubble.
Posted by: Penguin || 01/02/2009 10:12 Comments || Top||

#6  "Tunnel owner Abu Sufian"

How exactly do you own a tunnel? Unless you own the land above the tunnel, but I'm betting Abu Stupid doesn't.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 01/02/2009 11:19 Comments || Top||

#7  "she sobbed: 'my children had to eat tomatoes...with sporks'"

Oh, the humanity! I'm just glad I didn't have a mouthful of coffee when reading that.
Posted by: SteveS || 01/02/2009 11:28 Comments || Top||

#8  Baby milk, is that like veal parmisan?
Posted by: swksvolFF || 01/02/2009 11:33 Comments || Top||

#9  "Tunnel owner Abu Sufian said he and his colleagues lost millions of dollars in merchandise that they had paid for, but that cannot be delivered now from the Egyptian side."

Obviously he had MILLIONS OF DOLLARS to spend. Tell me about that crushing poverty again, please. This "rich American" can't afford a girlfriend, much less a wife plus eight to eleven kids! :spit:
Posted by: Scooter McGruder || 01/02/2009 11:47 Comments || Top||

#10  #8 Baby milk, is that like veal parmisan?

It's expensive stuff! Ya ever tried to milk a baby?
Damn hard it is
Posted by: Frank G || 01/02/2009 11:49 Comments || Top||

#11  OK - it's settled.

Frank wins the thread!

(BTW, you owe me a new monitor, Frank.)
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 01/02/2009 12:23 Comments || Top||

#12  Burdeni, 45, the mother of 11, relies on U.N. aid to feed her children

Islamist imams urge Palestinian women to have as many children as possible. Then they demand that the world subsidize those children. The aim is to swamp Israel.
Posted by: lotp || 01/02/2009 13:00 Comments || Top||

#13  Not just Islamist imams. Secular Fatah leaders and schoolteachers urge the same, for the same reason.
Posted by: trailing wife || 01/02/2009 13:41 Comments || Top||

#14  Tunnels! Reminds this Tucsonan of nearby Nogales, Sonora. Except Sinaloa cartel makes no pretense of smuggling "baby milk"...
Posted by: borgboy || 01/02/2009 13:46 Comments || Top||

#15  At least they aren't trying to smuggle Baby Oil.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 01/02/2009 17:07 Comments || Top||

#16  Gaza supposedly had 3,900 factories that are closed down. Either this number is bogus, the factories were making molotov cocktails, rockets and rocks or the residents of Gaza had previously prosperous lives that they stupidly decided to flush because Hamas' message was so outstandingly persuasive.

I am leaning towards 3,900 factories being a liberal interpretation of the definition of factory.
Posted by: Super Hose || 01/02/2009 17:37 Comments || Top||

#17  "Gaza supposedly had 3,900 factories that are closed down. Either this number is bogus, the factories were making molotov cocktails, rockets and rocks or the residents of Gaza had previously prosperous lives"

I'll take Door #2, SH.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 01/02/2009 18:17 Comments || Top||

#18  "underground passages were used to haul in consumer goods, from motor bikes to goats"


Tunnel Entrance
Posted by: Poison Reverse || 01/02/2009 18:58 Comments || Top||


Israelis feel empowered by attacks against Hamas
JERUSALEM -- Israel's crushing aerial assault on Gaza has caused a significant shift in the country's mood, replacing lingering helplessness and frustration over Hamas rocket attacks with a sense of might and vindication.

Leaders who were unpopular only a week ago have suddenly surged in the public's esteem. But that could change quickly if the fighting drags on or Israel starts taking heavy casualties.

In downtown Ashkelon, a southern Israeli city that has come under rocket fire, a pair of plumbers hung up a handwritten sign praising the Gaza operation's mastermind, Defense Minister Ehud Barak.

That's a dramatic change for Barak, a former prime minister whose approval ratings were until recently so dismal that his own election slogans acknowledged he was unpopular. "We've got a great defense minister. Everyone thought he wasn't going to do anything but he tricked them and gave them a blow they won't forget," said Ziv Barda, 28, who works for a car rental company in Ashkelon. "Finally someone decided enough is enough."

With rockets exploding across Israel's south and at least an eighth of the country's population now within rocket range, Israelis appear to be coming together behind the country's leadership and the military as jets, helicopters and navy vessels continued to pound Gaza for a sixth straight day.

A poll Thursday showed that 52 percent of Israelis want to continue the aerial campaign, while only 20 percent would like to see a cease-fire. Just 19 percent want to see a threatened ground offensive take place, presumably because that would mean casualties in the army's ranks.

In Sderot, a working-class border town that has been bombarded by thousands of Hamas rockets in recent years, residents said they haven't been this satisfied in a long time. On Wednesday, they cheered to each sound of distant explosions from Israeli airstrikes.

"You see people walking with their heads up in the air again. Finally there is some hope," said Itzik Biton, 38, who sells falafel at a fast-food stand.

Tammy Hovel, 31, said her children were cramped in shelters and that her bakery was suffering, but she was nonetheless encouraged. "We're going to get hit either way, so at least they are doing something," Hovel said. "And people elsewhere are starting to understand what we've had to deal with."

With national elections approaching on Feb. 10, the Israeli assault on Gaza has boosted support for Barak's Labor Party, the standard-bearer for Israel's peace camp, by making it look tough. The poll showed overall support for moderate and centrist parties going up, while support for hard-line and religious parties went down -- leaving each side with half the seats in parliament if elections were held today.

The survey, carried out by the Dialog company, showed jumps in the approval ratings for Israel's top three leaders -- Barak, Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni and Prime Minister Ehud Olmert.

"We feel that the government is finally supporting us," Biton said. "True, rockets are falling and we are losing money. But we'll suffer for a month and then we'll be done with this."

The poll appeared Thursday in the daily Haaretz newspaper. It surveyed 472 people and had a margin of error of 4.6 percentage points.

But the opposition Likud Party, headed by Benjamin Netanyahu, is still the front-runner, and the government's popularity might be brief.

A good mood is to be expected at the beginning of a war, said Tel Aviv University pollster Camil Fuchs, who oversaw the survey. When Israel went to war against Hezbollah guerrillas in Lebanon in the summer of 2006, the government's initially sky-high approval ratings evaporated when deaths mounted. Some 159 Israelis were killed during the monthlong war. "It's very fluid -- it could change in a day if a missile hits somewhere and we have more casualties," Fuchs said.

Along the Gaza border, Israeli bystanders and police officers stopped their vehicles on the side of the road Thursday to watch Israeli helicopters, drones and fighter jets strike targets in Gaza, cheering with each deafening explosion. But the cheers would die out fast if ground forces go in, get bogged down in Gaza's densely populated urban areas and start taking casualties, or if rocket fire continues to paralyze life in the south. Israel's army declared Thursday that its ground troops are ready to invade.

"We are spoiled and impatient -- we like our wars short," said Israeli historian Tom Segev. If fighting goes on too long, or if it ends with an inconclusive cease-fire, Segev said, Israelis will turn on the government as they did after the Lebanon war. "The mood will change fast," he said.
Posted by: gorb || 01/02/2009 03:15 || Comments || Link || [17 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Is it Friday or is it empowerment? 24 hours will tell.
Posted by: .5MT || 01/02/2009 8:02 Comments || Top||

#2  i don't understand why any of them would wat too see a cease fire. what good has ever come from a cease fire with hamas? the rockets don't stop and they just keep rearming themselves wfor the next go around that they know is coming because they are gonna start it. kil them all and be done with it
Posted by: rabid whitetail || 01/02/2009 13:46 Comments || Top||


Gaza Assault Worsens Rift Between Palestinian Factions
Israel's assault on the Gaza Strip has exacerbated the deep divisions between Palestinians who want to make peace with Israel and those who support Hamas's militant struggle against the Jewish state.
Comes as a surprise, huh? If they can't get along with each other, how are they gonna get along with the Zionist oppressors?
Posted by: Fred || 01/02/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || [17 views] Top|| File under: Hamas

#1  Must be Juden Zionist mind rays.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 01/02/2009 6:16 Comments || Top||

#2  Palestinians who want to make peace with Israel

They'd better speak up soon, else there won't be any peace left to make.
Posted by: trailing wife || 01/02/2009 9:26 Comments || Top||

#3  If they can't get along with each other, how are they gonna get along with the Zionist oppressors?
I don't believe most of them want to get along with the Zionist Opressors.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 01/02/2009 10:00 Comments || Top||


Israel's FM in France stands firm on Gaza attack
Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni on Thursday again rejected calls for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza after talks with French President Nicolas Sarkozy who embarks on a Middle East peace mission next week.

Livni emerged from a one-hour meeting at the Elysee presidential palace and said Israel would decide in due course when to halt its military offensive against Palestinian Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip.

"The question of whether it's enough or not will be the result of our assessment on a daily basis," said Livni, who rejected France's call for a 48-hour truce to provide humanitarian relief after six days of Israeli air strikes.

"We understand that while operating in the Gaza Strip against Hamas, we need to ease the life of the civilian population," she said.

"In this operation, Israel distinguishes (between) the war against terror, against Hamas members, from the civilian population. In doing so, we keep the humanitarian situation in the Gaza Strip completely as it should be."

France made a fresh push for a ceasefire in Gaza as Livni arrived in Paris for talks despite Israel's rejection of calls for a temporary truce.
Posted by: Fred || 01/02/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || [19 views] Top|| File under: Hamas

#1  It's a hard job being Israeli FM---you've to be polite to degenerates who think they're the pinnacle of human social develepment.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 01/02/2009 6:25 Comments || Top||

#2  ISRAELI MIL FORUM > reminds NYT: IRAN CAPABLE OF ATOMIC WEAPONS, + US EXPERTS: IRAN MAY HAVE A NUCLEAR BOMB BY FEBRUARY 2009. Iran is believed to have enuff URANIUM MATS to begin dev its own EXPLOSIVE SPACE MODULATOR-R-R [read, DIRTY NUKES,just needs better refinement for an improv CLEAN WEAP/BOMB]???

[MARVIN MARTIAN "angry" breathing/panting here].

* MARVIN > "DELAYS, DELAYS"!
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 01/02/2009 23:42 Comments || Top||


IAF bombs Gaza mosque used as terror hub
Israel Air Force aircraft struck a mosque in Jabaliya late Thursday night used as a terror-hub by the Hamas terror organization.

The mosque was used as a storehouse for a large amount of Grad missiles, Qassam rockets and additional weaponry. The strike set off series of secondary explosions and a large fire, caused by the ammunitions stockpiled inside the mosque.

The mosque was also used as a center of operations for Hamas, as a meeting place for its operatives and a staging ground for terror attacks, the Israel Defense Forces spokesperson's office said in a statement.

"The IDF will continue to attack any target used for terrorist activity, and will not hesitate to strike those involved in terrorism against the citizens of the State of Israel, even if they deliberately choose to operate from locations of religious or cultural significance," the statement went on to say.

Earlier Thursday, an Israeli aircraft killed a high-ranking Hamas official in Gaza along with nine women, including at least four wives, and 11 of his children, in the first major assassination since the IDF launched Operation Cast Lead on Saturday.

According to sources from the defense establishment, decision-makers are increasingly inclined to order a ground invasion into Gaza.

The assassination of Nizar Ghayan left dozens of people from neighboring buildings injured and brought up the body count on the Palestinian side to 425 people since the start of the campaign. The number of wounded is now estimated at around 2,000.

The IDF Spokesman said that Ghayan's house had served as a weapons silo and a war room for Hamas. Under the house, according to the IDF, was a tunnel which was meant to serve as an escape route in case of an Israeli attack.

Palestinian media reported that the incident was not a planned assassination, but rather a routine bombing of a target suspected by the IDF to contain weapons.

The IDF has code named such operations "roof knocking," in which the army informs the residents of s suspected building that they have 10 minutes to leave the premises. In some cases, residents of suspected houses have been able to prevent bombing by climbing up to the roof to show that they will not leave, prompting IDF commanders to call off the strike. In these cases, Channel 10 reported Thursday, the IAF sometimes launches a relatively harmless missile at the corner of the roof, avoiding casualties but successfully dispersing the crowd.

Sources familiar with Ghayan's record said he was one of the people who encouraged Gazans to climb on rooftops to prevent bombings.

It appears that the "roof knocking" technique was used in the assassination, but Ghayan decided to stay indoors with his family, and the army opted to bomb the house anyway.

A lecturer at Gaza's Islamic University, Ghayan, 49, had mentored suicide bombers and would sometimes go on patrol with Hamas fighters. He was known for his close ties to the group's military wing and was respected in Gaza for donning combat fatigues and personally participating in clashes against Israeli forces. He sent one of his sons on an October 2001 suicide mission that killed two Israeli settlers in Gaza.

He was also an outspoken advocate of renewing suicide bombings against Israel. Hamas said Israel would pay a "heavy price" for his death. Ghayan was one of the most extreme opponents of Fatah, and supported violence against Fatah's men during Hamas' seizure of power.

Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni rejected calls for a 48-hour "humanitarian pause" and told her French counterpart, Bernard Kouchner, that Hamas must not be given the opportunity to gain any sort of legitimacy within a renewal of a truce. Under the current offensive, she said, Hamas understand that Israel will not tolerate Gaza rocket fire without response.

In addition to the assassination, the Israel Air Force bombed several other Hamas targets.

Hamas fired about a dozen rockets into Be'er Sheva and near Ashdod, resulting in no injuries. In all, Gaza militants fired at least 50 rockets at southern Israel throughout the day Thursday.

Awaiting a decision by the political leadership, ground forces of the IDF are in the final stages of preparations for an invasion into Gaza, and the army has amassed the forces outside the Strip in formation for a rapid deployment in the area as soon as the order is given.

But even as IDF tanks rev their engines, various international powers are offering to broker a cease-fire between Hamas and Israel. The IDF is recommending a major, but relatively short-term, ground offensive in the Gaza Strip.

Posted by: Fred and 3dc || 01/02/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || [21 views] Top|| File under: Hamas

#1  "Knock knock!"

"Who's there?"

"Boom!"

" ... "
Posted by: gorb || 01/02/2009 0:21 Comments || Top||

#2  "But even as IDF tanks rev their engines, various international powers are offering to broker a cease-fire between Hamas and Israel."

As usual they want something concrete for the Paleo's but offer nothing but empty words for Israel.
Posted by: tipover || 01/02/2009 0:32 Comments || Top||

#3  Of course they offer something concrete for Israelis, tipover. They offer us the chance to join Anna Frank.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 01/02/2009 5:55 Comments || Top||

#4  He sent one of his sons on an October 2001 suicide mission

This means that the women killed had already sent off one of their sons as a boomer. Fuck them, they were warned, they were defiant and guilty, they had it coming.

Surrender is an option, assholes. Especially in cases like this.
Posted by: Mitch H. || 01/02/2009 6:41 Comments || Top||

#5  IAF bombs ammo bunker disguised as mosque.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 01/02/2009 11:53 Comments || Top||

#6  I must go to the Mosque. My weapons are there and I Mosque go and gettem!
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 01/02/2009 17:09 Comments || Top||

#7  Same way they 'brokered' a ceasefire between the Hezbos and Israel and then the UN turns a blind eye (or actually assists) Hezbollah rearm with more advanced missles from ther puppetmasters in Iran.

F-K'em.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 01/02/2009 17:52 Comments || Top||


IDF recommends major, but brief Gaza ground offensive
The Israel Defense Forces recommended a major, but relatively short-term, ground offensive in the Gaza Strip on Wednesday, as military preparations continued on the border. The army was given the green light to forge ahead with Operation Cast Lead, which entered its sixth day Thursday.

Detailed briefings have been underway for the past two days at Southern Command, with officers receiving their orders. The General Staff believes that more pressure must be put on Hamas to make it agree to a long-term cease-fire under conditions more favorable to Israel.

Cabinet ministers on Wednesday approved the mobilization of 2,500 army
reservists, expanding on an earlier call-up of 6,500 soldiers for the force on the Gaza border.

The IDF said rocket fire on the south was expected to continue during a ground operation. The army recommends that a diplomatic exit plan be prepared while a cease-fire agreement is formulated.

While defense officials tend to favor a clear agreement with Hamas, even if it is not enshrined in a written document, Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni is considering another idea.

She reportedly believes that it might be better to aim for a situation in which there is no clearly set-out agreement, but Israel would make clear beforehand that it would respond forcefully to any firing from Gaza after hostilities ended.

Olmert, for his part, has conditioned any future truce between Israel and Hamas on the establishment of an international mechanism to monitor the cease-fire.

On Wednesday, some 70 rockets were fired from Gaza at the Negev, among them some 10 Katyushas with a range of about 40 kilometers. These landed in Be'er Sheva and around Ashdod.

Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh said Wednesday that Israeli attacks on Gaza had to stop before any truce proposals could be considered. He added in a speech that "the siege must be lifted and all the crossings must be opened because the siege is the source of all of Gaza's problems."

Olmert told cabinet ministers on Wednesday that Israel would not conclude its operation until all its goals had been reached.

Meanwhile, Israel said it would continue to let humanitarian supplies
into Gaza and that more than 90 truckloads with food and medicine would be permitted into the territory on Thursday. Israel opened the Kerem Shalom crossing on Wednesday to allow in 93 trucks carrying humanitarian aid.

Olmert seeks international body to enforce future truce

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert clarified at Wednesday cabinet meeting that Israel would not end the Gaza operation until all its goals had been reached.

The cabinet did not debate any cease-fire proposals and resolved to continue the operation already approved. Earlier, Israel rejected a French proposal for a 48-hour cease-fire.

"We did not go into the Gaza operation only to end it while rocket fire continues," Olmert told cabinet ministers.

According to Olmert, a decision now to opt for a cease-fire would carry a heavy price.

"Let's say we unilaterally stopped and a few days from now a barrage fell on Ashkelon," he said. "Do you understand the consequences in Israel and the region? For Israeli deterrence, for Israeli measures."

However, Olmert left the door open for a possible future deal.

"If the conditions mature and we think they offer a solution that ensures a better security situation for southern Israel, then we will consider the matter. We aren't there yet," he said.

Olmert is interested in the establishment of an international supervision and enforcement mechanism for any cease-fire between Israel and Hamas.

The prime minister has made that a precondition of any deal and emphasized it in talks with U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and other world leades.

"Israel cannot agree that the only party responsible for implementing and regulating the cease-fire be Hamas," a senior Israeli diplomatic source said on Wednesdat.

According to the source, lack of an external supervisory body was the central reason for the collapse of the calm earlier this month.

"The situation in which Hamas didn't have to account for implementing the cease-fire did not prove viable," the source said.

Olmert believes that any cease-fire must include the end of rocket and mortar fire, an end to terror attacks on the border fence and the end of arms smuggling and the growth of Hamas power. He strives for an enforcement mechanism that can measure whether Hamas meets its commitments.

Senior Hamas official Ayman Taha said Wednesday that his organization was willing to consider a proposal that would end the Israeli attack and end the siege of the Gaza Strip.

"As soon as we receive a proposal, we will study it," Taha said. "We support any initiative that would end the aggression and lift the siege."

According to Jerusalem sources, Olmert's conditions for a truce were passed on to the United States and other entities in the international community. The U.S. is trying to "sell" Israel's conditions to other groups, including those that talk to Hamas.

"The Americans understand what we want and accept the parameters," the sources said. "The world wants to stop the operation - no problem, but on our terms."

In Wednesday's security cabinet meeting, ministers were updated on several cease-fire initiatives, but none yet meet Israel's terms. The most prominent is the U.S. effort to push Israel's conditions.

Olmert also spoke Wednesday to U.S. President George W. Bush and promised him Israel is working to avoid harm to Gazan civilians. Bush emphasized that "Hamas must stop the missiles."

"We must reach a long-term and stable cease-fire Hamas will honor," Bush said.

Also on the table is a Turkish-Egyptian push for a cease-fire. Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan visited Damascus on Wednesday and is slated to arrive in Cairo today.

Turkish president Abdullah Gul Wednesday told Israeli president Shimon Peres that "Turkey wants a cease-fire that will last."

"Other countries in the region take advantage of Hamas, which could lead to a deterioration in the entire Middle East," he added.

In addition, the European Union is attempting to broker a cease-fire deal. On Monday, a delegation including the foreign minister of the Czech Republican - which currently holds the EU presidency rotation, the Swedish foreign minister and the EU foreign affairs commissioner, is slated to arrive in the region.

In addition, French president Nicolas Sarkozy and foreign minister Bernard Kouchner are scheduled to arrive Monday.

On Thursday, Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni will meet the pair in Paris ahead of that visit.

Posted by: Fred || 01/02/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || [12 views] Top|| File under: Hamas

#1  Gotta sacrifice some IDF soldiers to World Opinion.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 01/02/2009 6:28 Comments || Top||

#2  Well, you could always rely on air strikes alone. Because it worked so well in Lebanon a couple years ago.
Posted by: lotp || 01/02/2009 7:05 Comments || Top||

#3  It would've worked perfectly sans concern for "innocent civilians"
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 01/02/2009 7:36 Comments || Top||

#4  Meh, something about a flyboy in charge....
Posted by: .5MT || 01/02/2009 8:03 Comments || Top||

#5  Would have worked perfectly depends on the goal, methinks.
Posted by: Mike N. || 01/02/2009 9:51 Comments || Top||

#6  If you're going to plow the earth and salt the fields, ok. However, as we've seen elsewhere, you're going to have to occupy ground to prevent the weeds from regrowing. And they will regrow under the kind financing of the Euros, Iranians, and Sauds.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 01/02/2009 12:10 Comments || Top||

#7  And they will regrow under the kind financing of the Euros, Iranians, and Sauds.

And the US. America is a major financer of those who danced in the streets after 9/11.
Posted by: JFM || 01/02/2009 14:36 Comments || Top||


Not just air strikes: Israel takes the fight to Arab media
In addition to the air raids on Hamas in Gaza, Israel has mounted a campaign to "conquer" Arab satellite television channels as part of Operation Cast Lead. The initiative has been spearheaded by Arabic speakers in the Israel Defense Forces and the Foreign Ministry, joined in their efforts by senior government officials.

Captain Avichai Adarai, an officer in the Arabic department of the IDF spokesperson's office, was invited for an on-air interview on "Al-Jazeera", hours after the operation began last Saturday. The live interview, which Adarai gave wearing his IDF uniform, made him the first Israeli to address the Arab world's most popular satellite channel since the beginning of the operation on Saturday.

"Do you [Israel] want to turn the Gaza Strip into a crematorium for its residents," Adarai was aksed during the interview, to which he answered "First off, I reject all of the declarations and words that we heard here up to now. The operations are concentrated against Hamas, and all other terror organizations that target civilians, as well as sayings like "crematorium."

He then asked why the Qatari-based TV channel has not shown the suffering of civilians on the Israeli side of the border who have been subject to indiscriminate rocket fire over the last seven years.

Al-Jazeera, like usual, broadcast graphic images from the Gaza Strip, images that for the most part have not been shown in the Israeli media. As Adarai spoke, the screen showed images of bodies piled in a refrigerator in a Gaza morgue. The interviewer asked "you are rejecting the argument that the operations are targeting civilians. Are all of these Hamas terrorists?"

Adarai insisted that the operation is targeting Hamas terrorists, and continued to ask why Al-Jazeera would not show the suffering of Israeli civilians.

The head of the Foreign Ministry's Arabic media department Ophir Gendelman, was interviewed on Russian Arabic channel "Russia Al-yom", where he was asked "do you agree that this operation is meant to return the luster lost by the IDF in the fight against Hezbollah?"

Gendelman, disagreed with the claim, saying that "we have a professional army. We are not built on momentum. Momentum is important but not crucial, and not the point of our operations against Hamas."

Gendelman explained the importance for Israel to be able to address the Arab world directly, so that the message "is made in the most direct and best way possible, without translation errors or arguments, directly to the living rooms of the Arab world."

"We live in the Middle East and fill a central role in the politics of the region. It is critical for us to be seen and heard, so that our stance will be understood. This could only help our standing in the region," Gendelman said after the interview.

Public Security Minister Avi Dichter and Brigadier General Yoav Mordechai, also spoke to the Arab media, with both addressing Al-Jazeera viewers in spoken, informal Arabic, the type usually not heard on Arabic media channels. Other Israeli officials have spoken to the Arabic media in English, with a simultaneous translation into Arabic appearing on screen.

Ehud Olmert used the Arab media outlet "Al-Arabiya" days before the start of "Operation Cast Lead" to address Gaza civilians, speaking of the ramifications of continued rocket attacks in Israel. Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni also appeared on Al-Jazeera shortly after the beginning of the operation.
Posted by: Fred || 01/02/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || [14 views] Top|| File under:


Israel rejects calls for immediate ceasefire in Gaza
(Xinhua) -- Visiting Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni rejected here on Thursday calls for an immediate ceasefire with Hamas in the Gaza Strip.

After meeting with French President Nicolas Sarkozy and French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner, Livni said: "There is no humanitarian crisis in the Gaza Strip, and therefore there is no need for a humanitarian truce," rejecting French proposal for a 48-hour truce to allow humanitarian aid in Gaza.

She also said: "We understand that while operating in the Gaza Strip against Hamas, we need to ease the life of the civilian population."

The foreign minister noted that when Israel would halt its military actions against Hamas of Palestine will be decided on their daily assessment result. "We affected most of the infrastructure of terror within the Gaza Strip and the question whether it's enough will be according to an assessment on a daily basis," she said.

More than 400 people have been killed and 2,000 wounded in the Gaza Strip since Saturday. Sarkozy is to fly to the Middle East region from next Monday for an end to fighting between Israel and Hamas. Besides, EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana is expected to travel to the region.

Posted by: Fred || 01/02/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || [19 views] Top|| File under: Hamas


Jordan sends military plane to evacuate injured Gazans
(Xinhua) -- Jordan on Thursday sent a military plane to evacuate injured Palestinians from the Gaza Strip, which has been under Israeli intensive offensive since Saturday, a military official said.

Upon directives by King Abdullah II, an airplane of Royal Jordanian Air Force headed for the Egyptian city of Al-Arish, which is nearby Gaza, to transfer injured Palestinians from Gaza to Jordanian hospitals for treatment, said the official, who declined to be named.

The Israeli onslaught on Gaza continued on Thursday for the sixth day in a row, with warplanes striking at more targets in the Hamas-controlled territory.

Mu'awia Hassanien, a Palestinian health emergency official, said the offensive has so far killed some 410 Palestinians and left 2,000 wounded.
Posted by: Fred || 01/02/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || [14 views] Top|| File under: Hamas

#1  But is he going to keep them?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 01/02/2009 5:57 Comments || Top||

#2  After getting healed, they will thank Jordan by suicide bombing their 5-star hotels.
Posted by: Poison Reverse || 01/02/2009 19:11 Comments || Top||


Gaza corpse count: 400 dead; 2,000 wounded
(Xinhua) -- The Israeli attacks on the Gaza Strip continued on Thursday for the sixth day in a row, with warplanes striking at more targets in the Hamas-controlled territory. Mu'awia Hassanien, a Palestinian health emergency official, said the offensive had so far killed 400 Palestinians and left 2,000 wounded.
Posted by: Fred || 01/02/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || [16 views] Top|| File under: Hamas

#1  The days of reckoning's a bitch, eh?
Posted by: Xenophon || 01/02/2009 1:51 Comments || Top||

#2  Now if it was 10 - 100 times that, maybe they'd get the message.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 01/02/2009 5:57 Comments || Top||

#3  They'll never figure it out.
You cant teach a roach to read either.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 01/02/2009 13:54 Comments || Top||

#4  They are still struggling with the whole Cause->Effect thingy.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 01/02/2009 14:48 Comments || Top||

#5  Cause-Effect is unislamic except so far as Israel's existence is the cause of (insert atrocity to be excused here)
Posted by: Abu do you love || 01/02/2009 16:56 Comments || Top||

#6  Their Creed denied the Cause-Effect thing because they are deemed to be always right on everything. The Golden Rule is indeed unislamic.
Posted by: Duh! || 01/02/2009 18:15 Comments || Top||


UN Security Council to hold urgent meeting on Gaza conflict
(Xinhua) -- The UN Security Council is scheduled to hold an emergency meeting on Wednesday evening to discuss the ongoing Israeli-Palestinian conflict in the Gaza Strip, the UN Spokesperson's Office announced.

The Council meeting is scheduled to begin at 6:00 p.m. EST (23:00 GMT) on Wednesday, and will focus on the Gaza conflict and the current situation in the Middle East, the UN announcement said.

It will be the second emergency Council meeting since early Sunday. After the previous meeting, the Council issued a statement that called for an immediate end to the violence and bloodshed in Gaza.

The announcement came as UN Secretary-general Ban Ki-moon intensified his diplomatic efforts toward a ceasefire after other UN officials voiced their disappointment that Israel has so far rejected the idea of a 48-hour lull.

Posted by: Fred || 01/02/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || [14 views] Top|| File under: Hamas

#1  Another case of urgent inaction by the UN Security Council. Ho hum.
Posted by: Richard of Oregon || 01/02/2009 4:41 Comments || Top||

#2  The Jews are winning! Must stop it immediately!!
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 01/02/2009 6:29 Comments || Top||

#3  Starting to understand the timing of this better. 3 days before absolutely any serious UN whinage can commence.....
Posted by: .5MT || 01/02/2009 8:11 Comments || Top||

#4  I am trying to remember the un "urgent meeting" to discuss Hamass firing unguided rockets into Israel. I know that this must have happened at least during the thousands of rockets fired by paleos. Oh wait I am awake now. Sorry for the confusion, but I had a dream that the un was actually relevant.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 01/02/2009 8:21 Comments || Top||

#5  "We must schedule the meeting now! Do you have any idea how long it takes to prepare Beef Wellington for 100?! Don't even get me started on the horseradish and wine finished potato cubettes with garlic butter with fresh dill and chive. I know the side dish is illegal over there, thats why the meeting will be in Switzerland, do I have to think of everything? Didn't even consider having fondue did you? You're Fired."
Posted by: swksvolFF || 01/02/2009 10:55 Comments || Top||


Israel can't bomb its way to peace
But Hamas can rocket its way to victory? Whuzzup widdat?
Posted by: Fred || 01/02/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || [27 views] Top|| File under: Hamas

#1  Seemed to have worked in Japan in '45.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 01/02/2009 0:04 Comments || Top||

#2  The only reason bombing terrorists won't bring peace is because of terrorism supporters in the muslim world, the cowardly politicians who appease them, the terrorism apologists who work for them, the appeasers and the moronic 'let's engage' types like the writer of this opinion piece.
Posted by: mhw || 01/02/2009 0:16 Comments || Top||

#3  The assault on Gaza has more to do with internal politics than its national security. The U.S. needs to reengage forcefully in a Mideast peace process.

Why? I think Israel is reengaging forcefully' just fine on its own. Or would you suggest a wing B-52's from the Good Ole USA to 'light up' the engagement?
Posted by: CrazyFool || 01/02/2009 0:24 Comments || Top||

#4  Why does the US need to solve stuff. I thought the ROW hated us so they can try to solve stuff... even if they can't.
Posted by: 3dc || 01/02/2009 2:34 Comments || Top||

#5  Not with conventional bombs anyway.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 01/02/2009 6:32 Comments || Top||

#6  Yes they can!

The other option did not seem to work... at all.
Posted by: Spike Uniter || 01/02/2009 8:33 Comments || Top||

#7  I "love" the idea by these turds that because Hamas has been incompetent in their attempts to kill Jews (only a handful have been killed) that the Jews, therefore, shouldn't fight back.

Like all her ilk she is as despicable as the terrs.
Posted by: AlanC || 01/02/2009 9:51 Comments || Top||

#8  THE LEFT: America Shouldn't interfere in Muslim countries! (except Gaza).
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 01/02/2009 10:15 Comments || Top||

#9  Wanna peace? Prepare for war. Simple as that.

Those who do not understand (mutual) respect, will understand fear. Submission is certainly not a way to peace.
Posted by: Gloluting Darling of the Heathen Rus4265 || 01/02/2009 10:27 Comments || Top||

#10  A second-rate lefty who writes seond-rate op-ed pieces for a a second-rate newspaper.
Posted by: Pappy || 01/02/2009 11:20 Comments || Top||

#11  Rosa Brooks, another "useful idiot" who has no solutions.
Posted by: Elmomoth Tojo1562 || 01/02/2009 11:34 Comments || Top||

#12  I say let them try.
Posted by: Chris in Fort Worth || 01/02/2009 22:32 Comments || Top||


'Hamas must halt attacks for truce'
Egypt's foreign minister said on Thursday that Hamas must ensure rocket fire stops in any truce deal to halt Israel's assault on the Gaza Strip, criticizing the Palestinian group for giving Israel an excuse to launch the bombardment.

Ahmed Aboul Gheit's comments came as Turkey's Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan met with Egypt's president, part of a tour by the Turkish leader to work out an Egyptian-Turkish initiative to end the violence.

The initiative calls for a halt to Israel's assault, a return to a Hamas-Israel truce and an international mechanism to ensure the opening of Gaza border crossings. Erdogan met a day earlier with Syrian President Bashar Assad and was expected to head to Saudi Arabia on Saturday.

Aboul Gheit said any eventual truce agreement should include a mechanism to oversee "that everything proceeds without one side causing problems with the other." He told journalists that the mechanism could involve "international forces or Arab forces or just observers."

Posted by: Fred || 01/02/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || [13 views] Top|| File under: Hamas


Nizar Rayyan: the obituary
Nizar Rayyan, the Hamas military commander who was killed in Thursday's air raid on his home in the Jabalya refugee camp, was a sworn enemy not only of Israel, but also of the Palestinian Authority and its president, Mahmoud Abbas.

Rayyan, who had four wives and a dozen children, led the Hamas militiamen who defeated Abbas's security forces in the Gaza Strip in the summer of 2007. He is the third most senior Hamas leader to be killed by Israel, after the targeted killings of Hamas founder Sheikh Ahmed Yassin in March 2004 and his successor, Abdel Aziz Rantisi, a few weeks later.

Hamas leaders stressed that Rayyan's death, while a "painful loss" to their movement, would not affect its determination to continue the fight against Israel.

A Hamas spokesman said he did not rule out the possibility that the PA had asked Israel to kill Rayyan because of his role in the Hamas-Fatah clashes in 2007.

"Sheikh Rayyan was one of the main reasons why many of Abbas's men did not sleep well at night," he said. "They knew that as long as the sheikh was around, they would never be able to return to the Gaza Strip."

A few days before Hamas took full control of the Gaza Strip, Rayyan, dressed in military fatigues and carrying a Kalashnikov assault rifle, declared that he and his supporters were planning to hold Friday prayers inside Abbas's presidential compound in Gaza City.

Rayyan personally led the Hamas militiamen who seized the compound and PA security installations throughout Gaza. He later boasted that the Strip had been "cleansed" of "traitors" and "CIA agents" - a reference to Abbas and his former security chiefs.

A few months later, Rayyan again issued a threat against Abbas. This time he declared that he would soon lead Friday prayers inside Abbas's Mukata compound in Ramallah, an indication of Hamas's intention to extend its control to the West Bank.

That was why PA officials in Ramallah Thursday did not shed tears over his departure from the scene. In fact, some of them privately expressed relief, claiming that he was responsible for the killing of scores of Abbas loyalists in the Gaza Strip during the 2007 "coup."

Many Palestinians saw the killing of Rayyan, 60, as a severe blow to Hamas and its armed wing, Izzadin Kassam. Some Hamas supporters said on Thursday that Rayyan was more significant than Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh or senior Hamas leaders Mahmoud Zahar and Said Siam.

"He was one of the most popular figures in Hamas," said a Palestinian journalist who knew the slain Hamas leader for nearly two decades. "He was the type of leader who would go out with the fighters to confront Israeli tanks and fire rockets at Israel. He loved wearing the military uniform."

Apart from serving as a "spiritual" leader for Hamas's armed wing, Rayyan was also a teacher at the Islamic University in Gaza City. His students referred to him as "The Professor" and described him as a prominent Muslim scholar. One student said Rayyan was Yassin's real successor.

Rayyan was a leading authority on the sayings of the prophet Muhammad (Hadith), and the basement of his four-story house had been turned into a library of more than 5,000 books and documents on Islam.

After Islamic studies at universities in Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Sudan, he returned to the Gaza Strip and worked as a preacher in several mosques. His fiery sermons and involvement in incitement and terrorism resulted in four years in an Israeli prison.

When the PA assumed control over the Gaza Strip in 1994, Rayyan was one of the first Hamas members to find himself in a Palestinian prison, together with Zahar and Rantisi.

At the beginning of the second intifada, Rayyan sent one of his sons to carry out a suicide attack in Gush Katif's Elei Sinai in 2001. Two Israelis were killed. Rayyan was also responsible for a series of suicide bombings and attacks inside the Green Line, including the suicide bombing in Ashdod Port in 2004 in which 10 Israelis died.

In recent years, Rayyan served as a liaison between the political leadership of Hamas and Izzadin Kassam. He is even said to have been one of the very few Hamas operatives who knew where IDF soldier St.-Sgt. Gilad Schalit was being held in the Gaza Strip.
Posted by: Fred || 01/02/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || [13 views] Top|| File under: Hamas

#1  His 4 wives will miss him.
Posted by: .5MT || 01/02/2009 8:15 Comments || Top||

#2  I have several hand towels just like his.

I blow my nose on them.
Posted by: Rednek Jim || 01/02/2009 14:51 Comments || Top||

#3  "A Hamas spokesman said he did not rule out the possibility that the PA had asked Israel to kill Rayyan because of his role in the Hamas-Fatah clashes in 2007"

They have problems with pigs and apes but rats are apparently, ok.
Posted by: Poison Reverse || 01/02/2009 18:07 Comments || Top||

#4  When a hateful 'holy'(spiritual?) man becomes spirit most spectacularly(read somewhere that his head was blown clear away from his den into the street by a 2,000 pounder), the fat lady and the audience joins in the song.
Posted by: Duh! || 01/02/2009 20:48 Comments || Top||


Barak issues general curfew in West Bank due to terrorist attacks alert
Defense Minister Ehud Barak on Thursday night issued a general curfew in the West Bank beginning at midnight Thursday and ending at midnight on Saturday.

The decision to issue the curfew was made due to warnings by the Security Establishment that terrorists were planning attacks in revenge of Israel's military operation in the Gaza Strip.
Posted by: Fred || 01/02/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || [17 views] Top|| File under:


IAF strikes house of senior Hamas terrorist Nabil Amrin in Gaza
IAF jets on Thursday evening bombed the home of Nabil Amrin, a senior terrorist and the commander of a Hamas battalion. A series of secondary explosions detected following the air strike confirmed that Amrin's house in the Sheikh Raduan neighborhood of Gaza City contained a large weapon and ammunition cash. It is yet unclear if Amrin was killed in the attack.
Posted by: Fred || 01/02/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || [15 views] Top|| File under: Hamas

#1  I guess willingness to store explosiuves in your kids bedroom is how "senior Hamas leaders" are selected.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 01/02/2009 5:59 Comments || Top||


Armed groups continue attacks against Israeli targets
Ma'an - Dozens of projectiles landed on Israeli soil before midnight on Thursday, Israeli sources said.

The launches were the response of Palestinian fighters to the sixth straight day of Israeli shelling and air assaults on the Gaza Strip that hit about 50 sites on Thursday.

At 11am the Al-Qassam Brigades launched a projectile that reached as far as the Netsarim airbase on the edge of the Negev, southeast of Beersheva.

Other groups claimed responsibility for several attacks on Israeli targets Thursday:

Al-Quds Brigades
Islamic Jihad's military wing launched two projectiles at Sderot and Kfar Azza early Thrusday morning.

Al-Aqsa Brigades
Fatah's military wing in Gaza launched two projectiles at Sderot and western Negev shortly after 7am Thursday and another one before dawn. Later, the armed group said it targeted two more Israeli towns near the border with Gaza. It also said that some of its members escaped death in an Israeli airstrike in eastern Gaza City.

National Resistance Brigades
The armed group affiliated with the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP) launched two projectiles just after midnight on Thursday morning.

Al-Mujahedin Brigades
The armed group linked to Fatah launched two projectiles at the Israeli monitored Sufa crossing point Thursday morning.

"Eagles of Palestine"
The previously unknown armed group first claimed to have launched projectiles at Sderot on 30 December. On Thursday they claimed the launch of two more projectiles, one at Sderot and one at Kfar Azza.

An-Nasser Brigades
The Brigades affiliated with the Popular Resistance Committees (PRC) launched two projectiles at the Karem Shalom crossing and the Nerim Kibbutz east of Khan Younis in the early hours of Thursday morning.

This article starring:
Al-Aqsa Brigades
Al-Mujahedin Brigades
Al-Qassam Brigades
Al-Quds Brigades
An-Nasser Brigades
Eagles of Palestine
National Resistance Brigades
Posted by: Fred || 01/02/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || [12 views] Top|| File under: Hamas

#1  And since IDF air offensive will have USA support till rockets stop...
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 01/02/2009 6:01 Comments || Top||

#2  Geez, sounds like Gaza has more brigades than the active US Army.
Posted by: Mitch H. || 01/02/2009 6:54 Comments || Top||

#3  Note Fatah is in there firing missiles, too.
Posted by: Grunter || 01/02/2009 7:01 Comments || Top||

#4  Looks like 1/4 Scale Aerobeezzzzz.

Credit where due... good paint job.
Posted by: .5MT || 01/02/2009 11:17 Comments || Top||


Hamas declares 'day of wrath' against Israel
GAZA CITY - Hamas called on Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and annexed east Jerusalem to mark a "day of wrath" on Friday by demonstrating against the Israeli offensive on the Gaza Strip. The Islamist movement called on its website for "massive marches" following the weekly Muslim prayers, starting off from the Al-Aqsa mosque compound in Jerusalem and from "all the mosques in the West Bank."

"Let Friday be a day of solidarity with our people in Gaza and a day of wrath against the Zionist occupation and its settlers," said Hamas, which has ruled the Gaza Strip since ousting forces loyal to Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas in June last year.
And for Allan's sake, get out those civilian crowds to prevent Israeli strikes!
At least 414 Palestinians, most Hamas members but including scores of civilians, have been killed in the Israeli blitz on Hamas targets in Gaza that started on Saturday.
Posted by: Steve White || 01/02/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || [26 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Actually for Hamas every day is a day of wrath against Israel.

For many muslims, every day is a day of wrath against Jews, Christians, Hindus, gays, women who don't veil, pork...
Posted by: mhw || 01/02/2009 0:11 Comments || Top||

#2  Like Festivus!
Posted by: Shalet and Tenille1168 || 01/02/2009 2:33 Comments || Top||

#3  Shellfish?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 01/02/2009 6:01 Comments || Top||

#4  Dies irae!

Oro supplex et acclinis,
cor contritum quasi cinis:
gere curam mei finis.

You know, these Islamic warriors and their defiant kin don't seem to have grasped the whole submission thing.
Posted by: Mitch H. || 01/02/2009 6:57 Comments || Top||

#5  Wrath of Khan?
Posted by: Raj || 01/02/2009 9:13 Comments || Top||

#6  Neither my Latin nor my Mozart is good enough to translate fully.
Posted by: Glenmore || 01/02/2009 9:56 Comments || Top||

#7  Shake your little impotent fists, children. Shake 'em!
Posted by: DarthVader || 01/02/2009 9:58 Comments || Top||

#8  Gazan's getting Rick Rolled!
Posted by: Poison Reverse || 01/02/2009 11:06 Comments || Top||

#9  Day of Waft.

Good news is that with sewers even worse all those flies, no AIDS epidemic.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 01/02/2009 11:37 Comments || Top||

#10  It will be interesting to see if Hamas can actually get West Bank and east Jerusalem Palestinians to march.
Posted by: Darrell || 01/02/2009 12:06 Comments || Top||

#11  good question by Darrel

I can't find any big protest stories on Haaretz, jPost or ynet. There was a short outragedemo at the Temple Mount with 100-200 muslims.
Posted by: mhw || 01/02/2009 12:25 Comments || Top||

#12  bah! I can get 10X that with a friggin Mo cartoon. The Paleos have hit the "arab unity" button too many times, it seems
Posted by: Frank G || 01/02/2009 13:09 Comments || Top||

#13  Day of the Daft.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 01/02/2009 13:55 Comments || Top||

#14  For the dafts, wrath is the ultimate expression of true piety in their 'either or' zombie world.
Posted by: Duh! || 01/02/2009 18:06 Comments || Top||

#15  Time for cluster bombs, daisy-cutters, gunships and napalm. Hamass needs to feel the WRATH of free people everywhere. Just for grins, need to find one of those old cast-iron sinks and drop it, too. Suckers weighed about 80 pounds. Would probably ruin some poor schmuck's day if it hit his house.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 01/02/2009 20:19 Comments || Top||

#16  Dies irae,dies illa
Solvet saeclum in favilla
Teste David cum Sybilla

Quantus tremor est futuris
Quando judex est venturus
Cuncta stricte discussurus!
Posted by: Grunter || 01/02/2009 21:58 Comments || Top||


The 'realist' fantasy
The always-smart, always reasonable Caroline Glick nails it. Too bad she can't be the next Israeli PM.
By Caroline Glick

Both Iran and its Hamas proxy in Gaza have been busy this Christmas week showing Christendom just what they think of it. But no one seems to have noticed. On Tuesday, Hamas legislators marked the Christmas season by passing a Shari'a criminal code for the Palestinian Authority. Among other things, it legalizes crucifixion.

Hamas's endorsement of nailing enemies of Islam to crosses came at the same time it renewed its jihad. Here, too, Hamas wanted to make sure that Christians didn't feel neglected as its fighters launched missiles at Jewish day care centers and schools. So on Wednesday, Hamas lobbed a mortar shell at the Erez crossing point into Israel just as a group of Gazan Christians were standing on line waiting to travel to Bethlehem for Christmas.
While Hamas joyously renewed its jihad against Jews and Christians, its overlords in Iran also basked in jihadist triumphalism. The source of Teheran's sense of ascendancy this week was Britain's Channel 4 network's decision to request that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad give a special Christmas Day address to the British people. Ahmadinejad's speech was supposed to be a response to Queen Elizabeth II's traditional Christmas Day address to her subjects. That is, Channel 4 presented his message as a reasonable counterpoint to the Christmas greetings of the head of the Church of England.

Channel 4 justified its move by proclaiming that it was providing a public service. As a spokesman told The Jerusalem Post, "We're offering [Ahmadinejad] the chance to speak for himself, which people in the West don't often get the chance to see."

While that sounds reasonable, the fact is that Westerners see Ahmadinejad speaking for himself all the time. They saw him at the UN two years in a row as he called for the countries of the world to submit to Islam; claimed that Iran's nuclear weapons program is divinely inspired; and castigated Jews as subhuman menaces to humanity.

They saw him gather leading anti-Semites from all over the world at his Holocaust denial conference.

They heard him speak in his own words when he called for Israel to be "wiped off the map."

And of course, over the years Ahmadinejad has often communicated directly to the British people. For instance, in 2007 he received unlimited airtime on UK television as he paraded kidnapped British sailors and marines in front of television cameras; forced them to make videotaped "confessions" of their "crime" of entering Iranian territorial waters; and compelled them to grovel at his knee and thank him for "forgiving" them.

Continued on Page 49
Posted by: Steve White || 01/02/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || [19 views] Top|| File under:

#1  So, why not just use this method on those miscreants they capture? When the world is outraged, just point out that you're using the punish they themselves have authorized and which the 'world' by its silence had no problem with.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 01/02/2009 8:20 Comments || Top||



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