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2005-03-14 Home Front: Tech

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Posted by phil_b 2005-03-14 00:00:00 AM|| || Front Page|| [5 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Just use the line from "Ghostbusters":

"Successful test."

Posted by PBMcL 2005-03-14 12:35:55 AM|| 2005-03-14 12:35:55 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Macromedia bought Allaire three years ago, and they're still researching ColdFusion?
//web geek mode off.

Posted by Rex Rufus 2005-03-14 12:55:53 AM|| 2005-03-14 12:55:53 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Phil, seems like some strange Pauli effect at work--for some reason, the CF experiment have a low degree of replicability (either way).

Reminds me of some pitfalls of similar sort mentioned in alchemic sources, where an emphasis has been placed on readiness of the human element as a part of the process--kind of like anthrophic principle correspondence in modern lingo.

Posted by Sobiesky 2005-03-14 1:06:02 AM|| 2005-03-14 1:06:02 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 I'm not normally given to conspiracy theories, but I have a hard time explaining the US government's and senior scientists opposition to cold fusion research. I have read the papers and there is definitely something there producing energy outside conventional chemical reactions. Given the need to find new energy sources, one would think that this would be explored, but the DEA has recently rejected for the second time the need for further research. If they know that somekind of cold fusion weapon could be easily produced by those with knowledge then this would explain their resistance to funding.

If you want more fuel for a conspiracy a leading cold fusion advocate was murdered last year apparently days after he said important news on cold fusion was about to break.

Posted by phil_b 2005-03-14 1:10:30 AM|| 2005-03-14 1:10:30 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Sobiesky my reply to you dissapeared so I will briefly recap. The replicability problem seems to result from palladium purity. The original Fleischman experiment has been replicated 100s of times at at least a dozen labs.

Posted by phil_b 2005-03-14 1:25:41 AM|| 2005-03-14 1:25:41 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Phil the thing I had found annoying was that normal physicists basically trashed anyone when they found it hard to prove a normal fusion reaction was occuring. However normal chemical reactions couldn't account for all the energy release either, so they still trashed ALL the evidence nonetheless. I think what it needs is research further in the chemistry aspects of this.

Posted by Valentine 2005-03-14 1:31:45 AM|| 2005-03-14 1:31:45 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 There is something there with cold fusion. Didn't the Navy get 50 million to fund cold fusion research? Only hangup I can see is $50,000 worth of scientific apparatus is needed to generate one watt of anomalous energy

The movie "The Saint" was pretty darn good fluff, had a cold fusion thread running through it.

Posted by sea cruise 2005-03-14 1:37:02 AM|| 2005-03-14 1:37:02 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 Phil, thanx. Will check whatever I can get on it. It was not on my radar for a while, so my notions may be somewhat dated.

Posted by Sobiesky 2005-03-14 2:01:04 AM|| 2005-03-14 2:01:04 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 Before all you cold fusion experts and conspiracy theorists run rampant and weaponize it, let me assure you that legitimate published results to date have not produced enough energy in total to hurl a piece of glassware down the table, yet alone six meters. On the other hand, in high school chemistry lab one of my friends (now a physics teacher) made acetylene and managed to explode some glassware and hurl glass fragments to the far end of the lab/classroom -- about 15 meters. No palladium involved. I suggest to you that my friend is more dangerous than any cold fusion reaction to date.

Posted by Tom 2005-03-14 8:45:14 AM|| 2005-03-14 8:45:14 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 Oh, thanks Tom. I am sure that after your assurances, we all cease to pursue these idle strange ideas and accept what mainstream academe tell us is possible or not.

Posted by Sobiesky 2005-03-14 9:00:10 AM|| 2005-03-14 9:00:10 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 Tom, I hate to pick on you but the amount of energy produced is irrelevant to the argument. Its like arguing Alfred Nobel didn't produce enough dynamite to blow a glass across the table. I could give you a long list of technologies that for years were of marginal interest until they were commercialized.

Posted by phil_b 2005-03-14 9:12:07 AM|| 2005-03-14 9:12:07 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 "Cold fusion. Sheesh."
-- sponsored by TokaMate, your personal fusion reactor

Posted by eLarson 2005-03-14 10:30:23 AM|| [http://larsonian.blogspot.com] 2005-03-14 10:30:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 The topic is extremely politicized, not least because it potentially wrecks the careers of thousands of hot fusion researchers.

And because it's a waste of time. Do the "spikes" in the energy output still correspond with people walking into the room with the test gear? Has anyone ever measured anything but a trickle of (suspect) energy?

Most importantly -- has anyone proposed a sane mechanism?

The qualifier "sane" is critical; over a decade ago, the late Dr. Kenny proposed a mechanism based on his personal "pion process model" for the composition of the universe. However, the model also predicted regular matter with negative mass. Not anti-matter, it was also predicted; we're talking about regular matter that just happened to have a negative sign in front of its mass.

I wrote a little simulation for Dr. Kenny to show the interaction of regular mass with negative mass. If any negative mass existed in the universe, it would stand out like a spotlight as it chased regular matter around the cosmos.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2005-03-14 10:48:39 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-03-14 10:48:39 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 H2 + O2 + spark = BOOM!

Posted by mojo 2005-03-14 11:38:30 AM|| 2005-03-14 11:38:30 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 And because it's a waste of time.

By a coincidence, these same words were uttered by a top dog scientist (his name escapes me, I wonder why) in his musings about foolishness of trying to build flying machines heavier than air. Few years before Wright Bros.

Posted by Sobiesky 2005-03-14 11:57:04 AM|| 2005-03-14 11:57:04 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 Yes, they laughed at the Wright brothers.

And they laughed at Einstein.

But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown, the Smothers Brothers, Carrot Top, Ellen Degeneres, and Roseanne Barr.

Hey, if you want to pour your money down the rat hole, go for it! If there's something there, you deserve the return on your investment. But if you want to take some of my tax dollars, go pound sand. I'd rather my money be spent on something with a likelier return -- like efficient extraction from old wells.

And let me point out that the reason I wrote that simulation for Dr. Kenny was I was part of a group volunteering to help him with his cold fusion research. At that time he couldn't get the equipment he needed, but I learned enough to know what to look for -- primarily, repeatability on demand -- and I haven't heard of ANYONE making the breakthrough yet.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2005-03-14 12:24:10 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-03-14 12:24:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 as difficult as cold fusion is, using cold fusion for a bomb seems more difficult by an order of magnitude or two

Posted by mhw 2005-03-14 1:16:09 PM|| 2005-03-14 1:16:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 All well and good, but who would believe that ordinary shrimp could create temperatures that could melt metallic tantalum! Behold, the power of shrimpoluminescence!
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/10/1003_SnappingShrimp.html

Posted by Anonymoose 2005-03-14 1:20:56 PM|| 2005-03-14 1:20:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 Yup - an interesting phenomenon. It may be news to the cute little European Scientists in the story, but it has long been known to the US Navy - at least in certain R&D circles. Think propeller design. Submarines. There is a particular variety of cavitation, occurring under certain conditions, which generates precisely the same bubbles - and when these low pressure microbubbles explode they can pit titanium - as well as give away the boat's location... Though anyone but Jonesy would think it was a mess of Shrimp, not an LA Class Hunter Killer, heh. Big Clue: it's not about heat, but the concussive effects. Wankers. I can say no more, heh.

Posted by .com 2005-03-14 2:28:22 PM|| 2005-03-14 2:28:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 People discovering that hydrogen from electolysis is explosive is not news. Someone please wake me when "the professor" starts losing his hair from some form of radiation. Thats when you got something and not before.

If cold fusion really worked, there would be a sudden run on lead lined lab smocks or glow-in-the-dark lab techs.

Posted by Frank Martin 2005-03-14 2:44:03 PM|| [http://www.varifrank.com] 2005-03-14 2:44:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 Though the results defy conventional explanation ... If true, the observations reveal a completely new method to initiate nuclear reactions within an atomic structure. On the other hand, if these claims are false, as many people believe, a large number of highly trained scientists, using well understood equipment, can not be trusted to obtain accurate data, thereby calling into question conclusions reached in other fields based on the same techniques. Link

Posted by phil_b 2005-03-14 5:45:28 PM|| 2005-03-14 5:45:28 PM|| Front Page Top

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