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2004-06-11 Fifth Column

Ex-Marine New Darling of Americaâs Fifth Column Left

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Posted by badanov 2004-06-11 8:06:59 AM|| || Front Page|| [9 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Yes. I killed innocent people for our government. I blame the president because he said they had weapons of mass destruction.

Who ordered you to kill innocent people? And if you thought it was unlawful to kill them, why did you do it. If you want to blame someone, blame yourself, don't shift the blame to others.

From all the intelligence reports we were getting, the cars were loaded down with suicide bombs or material. That's the rhetoric we received from intelligence.

Rhetoric? Bullshit. Go read the book Thunder Run, by the journalist, David Zucchino. It describes the armored attack into Baghdad. It is full of suicude attacks on the armor and the subsequent secondary explosions.

They came upon our checkpoint. We fired some warning shots. They didn't slow down. So we lit them up.

So you killed civilians under the rules of engagement and we are supposed to infer a war crime? You gave them the opportunity to exercise judgement and they did not. That is their fault not yours. Take your guilty conscience elsewhere.

Posted by Zpaz 2004-06-11 10:04:23 AM|| 2004-06-11 10:04:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Sounds like a student of Hanoi John....I think this Marine missed something in basic....

Posted by Bill Nelson 2004-06-11 10:08:34 AM|| 2004-06-11 10:08:34 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Sorry you didn't get your sensitivity training, Sarge. I've heard the Marines aren't too big on that.

Posted by tu3031 2004-06-11 10:10:22 AM|| 2004-06-11 10:10:22 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 The gentleman was driving a stolen work utility van. He didn't stop. With us being trigger happy, we didn't really give this guy much of a chance

So you were undisciplined? You were a 12 year veteran staff seargent leading the platoon and you are complaining about being trigger happy? Son, you were in charge of that platoon, what did you do to ensure fire discipline? Did your men run you or did you run your men?

Posted by Zpaz 2004-06-11 10:12:07 AM|| 2004-06-11 10:12:07 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 I read about this fucknugget the other day on Bastard Sword. They give his fairy tale a good fisking:

http://armor.typepad.com/bastardsword/2004/06/jimmy_massey.html#more

Posted by Chris W. 2004-06-11 10:22:40 AM|| 2004-06-11 10:22:40 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Reporter: Baghdad was being bombed. The civilians were trying to get out, right?

Marine: Yes. They received pamphlets, propaganda we dropped on them.

Civilians were not trying to get out. Again see Thunder Run. The civilians had no clue the US military had arrived in Baghdad until they stumbled into battles. Why did they have no clue? Because they believed there own government when Baghdad Bob said the American attacks had been repulsed. Why should they think differently when Andrew Gilligan of the BBC was saying the Americans were lying and had not entered Baghdad. Blame Saddam and the BBC, not the US military.

Posted by Zpaz 2004-06-11 10:32:35 AM|| 2004-06-11 10:32:35 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Thanks for the link Chris. You just saved me hours fisking this crap.

Posted by Zpaz 2004-06-11 10:51:30 AM|| 2004-06-11 10:51:30 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 As a confessed war criminal, he'll make a perfect running mate for fellow confessed war-criminal John Kerry. Is he 35 yet?

Posted by eLarson 2004-06-11 11:24:20 AM|| 2004-06-11 11:24:20 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 This guy is cut from the same cloth as LtCol whats her name (retired Air Force). She claims that she personally lobbied against the Iraq War becuase she knew it was wrong. She also claims to be an 'Itelligence Expert' but there are MANY gaps in her stories. I wouldn't be surprised if Kerry makes her the next NSA and this Marine his 'Special Assistant'. They both make me sick.

Posted by Cyber Sarge 2004-06-11 11:59:27 AM|| 2004-06-11 11:59:27 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 If you have any doubts about this guy, check his comments about DU. He toes the party line quite nicely.

Posted by Steve White 2004-06-11 3:12:34 PM|| 2004-06-11 3:12:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 That's the rhetoric we received from intelligence. That's not the way Marines talk. I can't put my finger on it, but there is something about the idiom of Marines that have served on active duty even for less than a year that cannot be faked and doesn't wear off quickly. Maybe he was a reservist that played oboe in the band. I guess Jarhead would be able to tell more definitively.

Posted by Super Hose 2004-06-11 11:06:58 PM|| 2004-06-11 11:06:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 Google Jimmy Massey and see the links like Alternet. This guy's an asshole.

Posted by Tibor 2004-06-12 2:56:06 AM|| 2004-06-12 2:56:06 AM|| Front Page Top

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