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2003-10-30 Europe

Jesuit Magazine Sharply Criticizes Islam

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Posted by Sorge and Steve 2003-10-30 11:06:56 AM|| || Front Page|| [7 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Remember, the Jesuits originated the phrase "Kill them all; God will sort them out."

In the 1300's (?), the French fought a Crusade against heritics in Southern France. After capturing a town, the Crusaders went to the Jesuit advising them to report that the town was alive with the sound of turning coats. What were they to do? "Kill them all" the priest advised. "God will know the difference."

Posted by Chuck Simmins 2003-10-30 11:14:11 AM|| [http://blog.simmins.org] 2003-10-30 11:14:11 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Dammit, second. And you're not even named Frank!

Posted by Steve 2003-10-30 11:16:00 AM|| 2003-10-30 11:16:00 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Jesuits were founded by St. Ignatious Loyala, in the 1500's, a couple of hundred years after the above incident (from the Albigensian crusade) Any catholics here who can confirm that?

Posted by liberalhawk 2003-10-30 11:34:32 AM|| 2003-10-30 11:34:32 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Sorry Steve, I beat you by less than ten minutes. I guess not having breakfast improves productivity after all.

Posted by Sorge 2003-10-30 11:40:16 AM|| [http://www.forgottenfronts.com/] 2003-10-30 11:40:16 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Liberalhawk; I'm an ex-Catholic, but I can confirm that. (A personal note: are we, or are we not feuding today?)

Posted by Sorge 2003-10-30 11:44:13 AM|| [http://www.forgottenfronts.com/] 2003-10-30 11:44:13 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 In the 1300's (?), the French fought a Crusade against heritics in Southern France.

In 2001, the Muslims fought a jihad against unbelievers in the US. 3000 died in a period of hours. (Note also that the Crusade was fought in an era when Muslim empire was expanding everywhere and doing similar things to infidels. The Mongol hordes also lurked on the horizon, having devastated several European armies before staging what, to the people of the time, may have seemed like a tactical retreat).

Posted by Zhang Fei 2003-10-30 11:52:30 AM|| 2003-10-30 11:52:30 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 What would the Europeans do if the Vatacan declared Holy War on Islam? Would they even notice? Or just sneer distastefully.

Posted by Yank 2003-10-30 12:08:56 PM|| 2003-10-30 12:08:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 When asked by one of the crusader warriors about the possible killing of Catholics along with the heretic Cathars, Arnaud-Amaury is supposed to have delivered his nefarious statement "Kill them all! God will recognize His own!"

From http://xenophongroup.com/montjoie/albigens.htm, a history of the Albigensian crusade.

Also, the Jesuits were formed by a Papal Bull on September 27, 1540. Please see http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14081a.htm

Posted by Anonymous 2003-10-30 12:17:59 PM|| 2003-10-30 12:17:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 The splodydopes want to blow up the Vatican.

I find the timing of this article interesting considering JPII is on deathwatch.

Has the decision already been made as to who wears the miter?

Or is the ruling class going to force the new pope into a more confrontational stance?

Should be interesting in the occupied territories, considering the phrench cardinal is such a bud w/Arafish.

Posted by Anonymous-not above 2003-10-30 12:21:41 PM|| 2003-10-30 12:21:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 The Society of Jesus is the *logical* arm of the Catholic church. Better them than the Dominicans, believe me.

Posted by mojo 2003-10-30 12:23:10 PM|| 2003-10-30 12:23:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 mojo, nobody expects the Dominicans...

Posted by Chuck Simmins 2003-10-30 12:28:48 PM|| [http://blog.simmins.org] 2003-10-30 12:28:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 ...The Jesuits aren't known as 'the Marine Corps of the Roman Catholic Church' for nothing. The level of learning and training they have to meet is incredible.

Mike

Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2003-10-30 12:34:15 PM|| 2003-10-30 12:34:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 The Dominicans were in charge of the Inquisition.

Posted by buwaya 2003-10-30 12:35:51 PM|| 2003-10-30 12:35:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 i aint feudin' wit anyone.

Pardon my spelling of St. Iggy, above, BTW.

Posted by liberalhawk 2003-10-30 1:06:59 PM|| 2003-10-30 1:06:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 One of the primary characteristic of being a Jesuit is that you take an oath of personal loyalty to the Papacy. In the past, that made them the Special Ops for the Pope. You needed someone to go into Soviet Russia or Communist China, you called the Jesuits. If it was gonna be a fatal mission, you called the Jesuits.

It is an intellectual order, with nearly all being priests, not brothers (more education there) then many go on for advanced degrees. Jesuits have served as the advisor to more than one European monarch, and had a reputation for brutal practicality, which got the order banned and persecuted in more than one nation.

Posted by Chuck Simmins 2003-10-30 1:26:03 PM|| [http://blog.simmins.org] 2003-10-30 1:26:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 There is a conspicuous absence among the new cardinals created on October 21 by John Paul II

When the article started out like this, did anyone else expect to read a complaint about the lack of Islamic cardinals?

Posted by snellenr 2003-10-30 2:15:03 PM|| 2003-10-30 2:15:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 its worth noting that President Clinton received his undergrad degree at Georgetown, a Jesuit University. Perhaps that was where he learned to dispute the meaning of "is".

Posted by liberalhawk 2003-10-30 2:44:59 PM|| 2003-10-30 2:44:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 I could be wrong but I remember hearing that there has never been a Jesuit Pope before. Not sure why not but that's what I remember.

I also remember the Jesuits were the big vow of poverty fellows that became super-bloody rich as everyone who was rich, and guilty, gave them money for forgiveness during their early decades making the order itself extremely wealthy.

Posted by Yanks 2003-10-30 2:58:55 PM|| 2003-10-30 2:58:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 I also remember the Jesuits were the big vow of poverty fellows that became super-bloody rich as everyone who was rich, and guilty, gave them money for forgiveness during their early decades making the order itself extremely wealthy.

If my employees took a vow of poverty, I'd be pretty rich too :)

-Vic

Posted by Vic 2003-10-30 6:13:37 PM|| 2003-10-30 6:13:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 In my admittedly limited knowledge of my religion I always felt/was taught that the Jesuits were the true enforcers--as well as the most learned vs the Dominicans and the Franciscans

Posted by NotMikeMoore 2003-10-30 9:56:10 PM|| 2003-10-30 9:56:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 Jarhead--what say you?

Posted by NotMikeMoore 2003-10-30 9:56:50 PM|| 2003-10-30 9:56:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 In my admittedly limited knowledge of my religion I always felt/was taught that the Jesuits were the true enforcers--as well as the most learned vs the Dominicans and the Franciscans

The Society of Jesus was was originally designated by its founder as "The Company of Jesus". The title was Latinized into "Societas Jesu" in 1540. The name had been previously borne by a military order approved by Pius II in 1450, the purpose of which was to fight against the Turks.

The Jesuits are indeed perhaps the most educated of all the orders. As to whether they can be considered enforcers for the Church - that's a mixed bag, especially in the Western Hemisphere (they had a major role in developing "liberation theology").

Posted by Pappy 2003-10-30 11:20:06 PM|| 2003-10-30 11:20:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 NMM - I think your analogy is right. It's similar to what I've been told. Most of the Catholic Churches I've been involved w/were associated w/the Franciscans so I can't speak w/any real authority. I'm also in the KofC - I think our founder was originally a Jesuit but I could be wrong.

Posted by Jarhead 2003-10-30 11:27:18 PM|| 2003-10-30 11:27:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 OMFG KofC in SC>? surrounded by all those Baptist NUTZ? more power to ya -- I prefer the more laid back style of Vatican II

Posted by NotMikeMoore 2003-10-30 11:37:43 PM|| 2003-10-30 11:37:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 Oh yeah in SC! A lot of jarheads are Catholics, we have a lot of northerners from our part of the country as well as hispanics. Our chapter is pretty small - mainly former mil but a good group of guys. The Baptists pay us no attention.

Posted by Jarhead 2003-10-31 12:00:07 AM|| 2003-10-31 12:00:07 AM|| Front Page Top

#26 Wish you the best Jarhead--and wish you stay in the US with your family--mean that

Posted by NotMikeMoore 2003-10-31 12:16:08 AM|| 2003-10-31 12:16:08 AM|| Front Page Top

#27 Dad was Parris Island USMC too

Posted by NotMikeMoore 2003-10-31 12:19:39 AM|| 2003-10-31 12:19:39 AM|| Front Page Top

#28 And a LIBERAL Democrat like me

Posted by NotMikeMoore 2003-10-31 12:20:19 AM|| 2003-10-31 12:20:19 AM|| Front Page Top

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