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-Short Attention Span Theater-
Moon's gravity linked to earthquakes -- really!
Gosh. Who'da thunkit?
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/23/2004 03:16 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The Moon--why does it hate us?
Posted by: Dar || 10/23/2004 10:40 Comments || Top||

#2  so that's why the Islamists worship it....
Posted by: Frank G || 10/23/2004 10:59 Comments || Top||

#3  Their research and analysis shows that earthquakes, coupled with shifts in the faults, often occurred at a time when the moon's gravity and earth's tides jointly helped such plates move.

I worked for USGS in earthquake research in the early '70s and we realized that this could be a factor then. We measured the tilt of the earth at various places along the San Andreas fault in california and sent the real time data into Menlo Park. After factoring out earth tides, we looked at what was left. We figured that these tilts could be precursors to an earthquake or fault slip.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/23/2004 16:26 Comments || Top||

#4  Next, cyclic variations in solar radiation, found in variable stars such as our Sun, have effect on Earth's climate. Ah, no couldn't be, could it?
Posted by: Don || 10/23/2004 23:25 Comments || Top||


Boston Herald apologizes for photos of Sox' fan killed by cop
The Boston Herald yesterday apologized for running explicit photos of an Emerson College student who was killed in the melee that followed the Red Sox' pennant victory. ``Yesterday, we ran two very graphic photos that angered and upset many in our community,'' Editorial Director Ken Chandler said. ``Our aim was to illustrate this terrible tragedy as comprehensively as possible and to prevent a repetition by portraying the harsh reality of what can happen when a crowd acts irresponsibly. ``It was never our intent to disrespect Victoria Snelgrove or her family,'' Chandler said. ``In retrospect, the images of this unusually ugly incident were too graphic. I apologize to the Snelgroves and the community at large.'' Snelgrove, who would have turned 22 next week, was a bystander in a crowd of thousands outside Fenway Park early Thursday when she was shot by one of several pepper balls fired by police to try to subdue fans throwing bottles and bricks. The Herald ran on its front and inside pages two photographs of her bloodied body splayed on Lansdowne Street, triggering scores of complaints.
An incredible upbeat mood enveloped the Hub over the Red Sox's victory, then this horrible tragedy, taking the life of a bystander, 21 year old Victoria Snelgrove, a journalism major at Emerson College, who was shot in the eye by a 'non-lethal projectile' fired by a cop. Was this ***hole aiming at the girl's face?
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/23/2004 4:08:47 AM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It's "non-lethal" at a safe range and the stupid fu asshat that fired it should have been aiming for a torso. What was a pepper ball being used on a crowd for? They are intended to be used on individuals not crowds. Sounds like the police were trying to start trouble not nip it in the bud.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/23/2004 7:07 Comments || Top||

#2  The projectile could have ricocheted off something--or its intended target might have ducked out of the way--nobody can say for sure based on newspaper articles alone. Certainly, if the cop who fired it was not aiming and was discharging this recklessly into a crowd, he needs to be punished.

This is most certainly a terrible tragedy, but I hope it doesn't prevent the police from responding to the inevitable riots coming next week. It is truly disgusting how these "celebrations" over a team's big win turn into orgies of burning and destruction anymore. The cops need to crack down on these morons--and somehow avoid incidents like this! This crap has been happening in Chicago, Montreal, Detroit, and many other cities--it needs to stop now.
Posted by: Dar || 10/23/2004 10:48 Comments || Top||

#3  Unlike painballs, these pepper balls are made from hard plastic that shatters when it hits something hard. If it hit her square in the eye, I can understand where it might penetrate the thin bone of the eye socket.
Posted by: ed || 10/23/2004 11:06 Comments || Top||

#4  The so-called non-lethal baton-rounds (rubber bullets) in Northern Ireland used to kill people periodically, too. Best thing to do is to stay away from those demonstrations that look like they will deteriorate into mob actions. Learned that in Berkeley in the 60s. No bumps, no scars, got all fingers and toes.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/23/2004 16:30 Comments || Top||


-Signs, Portents, and the Weather-
Another Strong 6.8 Earthquake Rocks Japan
At least one person was killed when a strong earthquake with a magnitude of 6.8 and several big aftershocks rocked northern Japan The focus of the initial quake was in the Niigata prefecture, some 150 miles north of Tokyo. The jolts, including aftershocks of magnitude up to 6.3 on the Richter scale, were also felt strongly in the capital rocking buildings. At least one person died, a Japanese news agency reported. Other media reported that several people had been injured. A bullet train was derailed in Niigata and an expressway was partially collapsed, media reports said.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/23/2004 9:12:46 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:


Tehran sky rains meteors
Tehrani people will watch a meteor rain Thursday night, a member of an Iranian astonomy group, Iran Amateur Association, forecast Thursday.
Unless the Iranian nuclear issue is resolved within diplomatic circles (not going to happen) something else will be raining down from Iran's night time sky.
Around 22 o'clock (local time), the raining will begin from the Orion in the eastern horizon at a volume of up to 23 meteors per hour, Ghaffari said. Ghaffari ensured sky enthusiasts that the watch risks no damage to naked eyes. The raining comes to a peak at mid-day with the meteors falling at a speed of 66 kmph at impact, he noted.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/23/2004 6:02:06 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Earthquakes with biblical casualty numbers...
Fire raining from the sky...
This dosen't look good. Other Signs and Protents to keep an eye out for, anyone?
Posted by: N Guard || 10/23/2004 9:44 Comments || Top||

#2  Israeli F-16s?
Posted by: SteveS || 10/23/2004 11:06 Comments || Top||

#3  Maybe Israeli SSM's - or maybe the locusts are next?
Posted by: OldSpook || 10/23/2004 13:13 Comments || Top||

#4  The raining comes to a peak at mid-day with the meteors falling at a speed of 66 kmph at impact, he noted.

that's 66 kilometers per second moron, besides if the meteor shower is Mr and Mrs MIRV we'll do it in broad daylight
Posted by: Cheaderhead || 10/23/2004 18:15 Comments || Top||


Britain
British Navy approves first ever Satanist
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 10/23/2004 21:38 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:


Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
Moscow lauded for ratifying Kyoto
BBS Special In-line Featured Moonbat Spin Quote:
"The United States should not abstain from the one fight that is crucial for the future of mankind."
- European Commission President Romano Prodi, Integrity Expert
Ecstatic Junk Science and EcoZoomers Ululate!
Environmentalists have hailed the Russian parliament's ratification of the Kyoto Protocol on climate change as a huge step forward. Russia's lower house, the State Duma, voted 334-73 to approve the treaty, meaning enough nations have signed up to bring it officially into force. "We'll toast the Duma with vodka tonight," a Greenpeace activist said.

However Washington said it still does not intend to adopt the pact, which calls for cuts in greenhouse gases. "We do not believe that the Kyoto Protocol is something that is realistic for the United States and we have no intention of signing or ratifying it," State Department spokesman Adam Ereli said.
...more...

Drunk on imaginary power and vodka, the Greenies toast Tsar Putty and practice their fairy dances in the twilight. Putty merely smiles his death's-head grin and picks everyone's pocket. Meanwhile, the evil Americans shake their heads and heave a sigh.
Posted by: .com || 10/23/2004 12:23:06 AM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Within 90 days of Russia's ratification, Kyoto signatories must start making cuts that will reduce emissions...

Other than make empassioned speeches, is anyone actually doing anything to reduce emmissions? You know, stuff like cutting back on industrial output, reducing fuel use or shutting down industries? Didn't think so. Kyoto - The Feel Good Treaty of the Year.
Posted by: SteveS || 10/23/2004 1:08 Comments || Top||

#2  NZ is. They're fining the hell out of their farmers when their sheep and cattle emit nasty gaseous methane. It's a fucking brilliant plan. The entire country's economy ought to be in the shitter within a coupla years.
Posted by: .com || 10/23/2004 1:14 Comments || Top||

#3  Cutting emissions? France and Germany will have no problem seeing as ther industry is all headed for China and there real economic growth is negative.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/23/2004 1:22 Comments || Top||

#4  See following story for full ironic effect. China is exempt.
Posted by: mojo || 10/23/2004 2:43 Comments || Top||

#5  Does each NZ sheep have methane monitors on it's derriere? How else is the gov going to know much to tax?

All I see Kyoto doing is:
1. Shoveling EU money into FSU graft.
2. Shifting industry to non-Kyoto counties.
3. Speeding up adoption of nuclear power.

I wonder what enviromentalists consider the greater evil, carbon dioxide or nuclear waste?
Posted by: ed || 10/23/2004 8:57 Comments || Top||

#6  I'm still trying to figure out how all those pre-industrial nomadic humans 20,000 years ago melted the ice sheets covering Europe and North America, raising the oceans over 300 feet.
Posted by: Don || 10/23/2004 9:02 Comments || Top||

#7  I'm still trying to figure out how all those pre-industrial nomadic humans 20,000 years ago melted the ice sheets covering Europe and North America, raising the oceans over 300 feet.

Figure no more! Archaeologists found that the melting of the ice sheet coincided with the first human consumption of beans. This massively raised the emission of greenhouse gasses.
Posted by: JFM || 10/23/2004 10:11 Comments || Top||

#8  JFM / Don - Lol! You guys nailed it, methinks! When those pesky humans began settling down, giving up their evil hunter-gatherer ways, and beginning their evil more systematic rape and torture of poor GAIA, well - it was all downhill from there, heh. We're doomed! Doomed, I tell ya!

Here's an apropos visual you might enjoy, lol!
Posted by: .com || 10/23/2004 10:38 Comments || Top||

#9  I had forgotten about the NZ Fart Tax. Here is the story of one inventive Kiwi's attempt to bring the full power of the Scientific Method to bear on the problem. From Silent Running.
Posted by: SteveS || 10/23/2004 10:56 Comments || Top||

#10  .com----ROTFLMAO! The crowd around the banner looks a bit less than enthusiastic.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/23/2004 16:33 Comments || Top||

#11  AP - Heh - I wondered if anyone was ever gonna check the link. One of my favorite LLL / GAIA / ELF / ELP / Total Idiot pix, lol! I swap it off as my desktop, now & then. Makes me feel really sane!
Posted by: .com || 10/23/2004 16:37 Comments || Top||

#12  yep - he's back to OUR level - gutter snipes
Posted by: Frank G || 10/23/2004 16:38 Comments || Top||


China-Japan-Koreas
China's Incredible Economic Boom & Thirst For Oil
Asia burned 22.6 million barrels a day of oil last year, accounting for 29 percent of world consumption, according to BP Plc's Statistical Review of World Energy. Asia's consumption has risen 41 percent from a decade earlier, led by demand in China. ``Asian nations are, after all, the factories of the world,'' said Song Seng Wun, an economist at G.K. Goh Holdings Ltd. in Singapore. ``If the costs of production go up due to energy prices, then'' the region may be affected more than the rest of the world.

China last year surpassed Japan as the world's second- largest oil consumer after the U.S., because of a surging economy. Chinese oil use is expected to jump 15 percent to 6.3 million barrels a day this year, the International Energy Agency said. Based on China's 1997 consumption figures, a $10 a barrel increase in oil prices over a year will ``influence'' the country's consumer price index by 0.3 to 0.4 percentage points, Zheng Jingping, spokesman at National Bureau of Statistics in Beijing, said yesterday. China's 9.1 percent growth in the third quarter was faster than the 8.9 percent projected in a Bloomberg survey.
(By the year 2050 China's population will reach 1.6 billion people. That's a lot of frozen Chinese dinners!)
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/23/2004 1:17:01 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:


Australian dies after failed jump from China's tallest building
An Australian BASE jumper injured in a failed jump from China's tallest skyscraper on October 5 has died in hospital here, his family said on Saturday. Roland Simpson, 34, sustained a fractured skull after his parachute lines became twisted during a jump from the 1,368 foot Jinmao Tower in the Shanghai financial district. Simpson, known to his friends as Flat Slim, died from his injuries in Canberra Hospital on Friday surrounded by family and friends, close relatives said in a message posted on the Australian BASE Association's website. Simpson, a forester, was among 38 BASE jumpers from 16 nations invited by the Shanghai Sports Bureau to take part in the jump from the tower. He was an experienced jumper who had made more then 1,200 jumps and had competed in many competitions. But he encountered problems with his parachute during the jump and landed on the roof of a building instead of the patch of lawn designated as a landing area.
I met a pro BASE jumper once. His biggest jump was off the Petronas Towers in Malaysia. I asked him if he enjoyed the trip, and he said, "No, it was too short. I had to fly back to Canada the next day so the docs could put the pieces of my ankle back together." Yipes.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/23/2004 12:45:27 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Actuarial tables. Odds. Old saying (of mine): If you fuck with the bull, eventually you'll get the horn. As long as you die doing what you love...

Ride hard. Die fast.
Posted by: .com || 10/23/2004 1:22 Comments || Top||

#2  Two words. Stupidity Kills.
Posted by: Silentbrick || 10/23/2004 1:41 Comments || Top||

#3  Sheesh, this is a tough audience.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 10/23/2004 3:40 Comments || Top||

#4  It sounds like the jump was successful. It was the landing that wasn't so great.
Posted by: Dar || 10/23/2004 10:50 Comments || Top||

#5  Gravity, why does it hate us?
Posted by: Steve || 10/23/2004 12:10 Comments || Top||

#6  As WC Fields would say;

"The first 9,999 feet are just fine, it's that last one that's a doozie."

Those who think that aviation is the most unforgiving sport may wish to examine skydiving.
Posted by: Zenster || 10/23/2004 13:23 Comments || Top||

#7  Two more words: Darwin Awards
Posted by: Xbalanke || 10/23/2004 14:26 Comments || Top||

#8  1200 jumps is damned impressive luck - and serious attention to detail. He just ran out his string.
Posted by: .com || 10/23/2004 14:38 Comments || Top||

#9  And its all Bush's Fault
Posted by: Cheaderhead || 10/23/2004 18:16 Comments || Top||


Down Under
Millions given infected polio vaccine in 1960s, linked to cancers
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/23/2004 02:48 || Comments || Link || [9 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Registration required. More info? As a kid in the early 60s I got a polio vaccine. Orange spot on a sugar cube... But here in California

Anyone else?
Posted by: BigEd || 10/23/2004 15:37 Comments || Top||

#2  same here...or was it a liquid? San Diego/60's
Posted by: Frank G || 10/23/2004 15:56 Comments || Top||

#3  Don't panic -- the article is on Australia. Here's one that doesn't require registration.
Posted by: Tom || 10/23/2004 16:02 Comments || Top||

#4  Myself, I've always wonder want interesting effects of living downwind several states from of all those open air nuke tests in the 50s, when I was but a young child, was going to have. Never have seen any serious science on it.
Posted by: Don || 10/23/2004 23:20 Comments || Top||

#5  my dad lived North of the testing - Fallon, NV; died of a brain tumor/cancer as did many of his contemporaries....I'm not concerned in litigation, just also curious
Posted by: Frank G || 10/23/2004 23:33 Comments || Top||


Aussie govt adamant it will not approve Kyoto
Key point of the article:
Prime Minister John Howard argues that Australia will meet the targets for greenhouse gas emissions set at Kyoto, but will not ratify the pact because he believes it would push industry and jobs offshore to countries which do not back the agreement. "The government will not sign the Kyoto protocol. Australia is already reducing greenhouse gas emissions," a spokesman for Howard told Reuters on Friday.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/23/2004 2:36:22 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:


Superhero flies Down Under
LITTLE known US actor Brandon Routh has been chosen to don the cloak of the "man of steel" in a Hollywood revival of Superman that will be filmed in Australia. The 25-year-old was signed to star in the reincarnation of Superman, due to hit screens in 2006, following an exhaustive search for an actor to fill the role made famous by Christopher Reeve, who died earlier this month. Hollywood's latest heartthrob superhero was picked after a hunt for a lead actor that spanned the United States, Britain, Canada and Australia. The Warner Bros movie will be directed by Bryan Singer, who also made the hit comicbook hero X-Men movies, and will begin shooting in Australia early next year, a studio source said. The superhero will be reborn in the movie that will tell of his arrival as a baby after his father, Jor-El from the planet Krypton, sends his son to Earth to escape an advancing army of baddies.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/23/2004 12:28:40 AM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Lol! At first I thought this was a dupe of the story above - and someone was in snarky overdrive with the title, heh.

I hope he keeps his Ozzie accent and has fun with it. It'll make it more interesting - trying to figure out WTF he's saying.
Posted by: .com || 10/23/2004 1:17 Comments || Top||

#2  Good luck. The last few "supermen" have not come to good ends.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/23/2004 1:30 Comments || Top||

#3  Stay away from guns, kid. And polo ponies.
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/23/2004 9:52 Comments || Top||

#4  ..I know a new Superman movie has been in the works for a long time, but I predict a bad end for this one because of Chris Reeve's recent passing. No one is going to be able to picture anyone else except Reeve in the part from here on in.

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 10/23/2004 13:08 Comments || Top||


Europe
Auschwitz victim's book causes a stir in France
Dead Jewes' writings praised by French critics
A hidden literary treasure of wartime France is taking the book world by storm, while reviving uncomfortable memories of French collaboration with the Nazis, more than 60 years after its author was sent to her death in Auschwitz. Irene Nemirovsky's Suite Française, transcribed and edited by her elder daughter, who clung to the manuscript as a keepsake of her mother, has been sold to publishers in 17 countries in an extraordinary bidding war. The book combines two novels, one dealing with the flight of Jews from Paris during the great exodus of 1940 and the second with the early period of Nazi occupation. It has won acclaim from French critics, with calls for a posthumous award when the Goncourt prize, the country's premier book award, is announced next month.

Suite Française - the completed half of what Nemirovsky planned as the four-volume "work of my life" - is regarded by some commentators as the most important descriptive wartime writing since Anne Frank's Diaries. From the appearance of her first novel, David Golder, in 1929, when she was 26, Nemirovsky was feted as the darling of Parisian literary society. But she was also a Jew, born in Kiev to a prosperous banker's family. When the Germans invaded France, Nemirovsky was deserted by almost all those who had previously sought her company and admired her work. Despite appeals to the German ambassador to Paris and Marshal Petain, the leader of the puppet Vichy regime, she was arrested by gendarmes and deported to Auschwitz in July 1942, dying of typhus a month later at the age of 39. Her conversion to Roman Catholicism as war broke out, and her family's move from Paris to Burgundy, failed to save her. Her husband, Michel Epstein, was detained later along with his two brothers and sister. They, too, perished, almost certainly in the Auschwitz gas chambers. Nemirovsky's daughters, Denise and Elisabeth, were spared, apparently because they reminded a German officer of his own child. For the rest of the war, they were cared for by a Catholic woman who moved them from one safe house to another. In a suitcase carried on each of a dozen moves, Denise Epstein kept the leather-bound notebooks containing her mother's last writings...
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/23/2004 2:25:01 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  And to think that several of my favourite writers escaped what would have been a certain death under the Nazis and Communists (e.g. Ludwig von Mises and Ayn Rand, who escaped from the Soviet Union through Berlin and I believe France).

That is one of the unseen tragedies of war and tyranny. As everybody always points out, millions of innocent, decent people killed -- but further, hundreds if not thousands of geniuses in countless professions are killed too.

Here is an example: A few years ago I visited an exhibit on amazing wooden furniture from early 20th century Central Europe. The factories producing these pieces of furniture were shut down during WW I. All owners, managers and the huge majority of employees died in the war. No one was left who knew the processes that had been developed in the previous decade. Hence no such furniture was ever made again.
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 10/23/2004 9:54 Comments || Top||

#2  A powerful indictment of Vichy France. This is the portion of not so distant history the majority of Frenchmen simply can't recall too well.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/23/2004 9:58 Comments || Top||

#3  ...while reviving uncomfortable memories of French collaboration with the Nazis

You're kidding? I thought everybody in France was blowing up trains or cutting Nazi sentries throats, like in the movies. Or did most of them join La Resistance after the war?
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/23/2004 13:37 Comments || Top||

#4  They joined the resistance after the war like a lot of SKerry's "Winter Soldiers" were in the Army duringthe Vietnam War (i.e. huge amounts of them are fakers and liars, for political expediency).
Posted by: OldSpook || 10/23/2004 19:56 Comments || Top||

#5  OldSpook: Do you think that behavior is related to the moral bankruptcy of the current French political system?
Posted by: Classical_Liberal || 10/23/2004 22:07 Comments || Top||


EU in crisis over 'gay sin' chief
THE furious row over Europe's new "anti-gay" commissioner has plunged the European Union into a full-blown crisis with MEPs threatening to reject the entire commission unless he is fired. Incoming commission president Jose Manuel Barroso yesterday defied calls to ditch his chosen justice commissioner, the Italian Rocco Buttiglione, for his views on homosexuality and marriage. His decision to stand by Mr Buttiglione enraged political leaders wielding a majority of votes in the European Parliament. They have pledged to veto Mr Barroso's entire commission when it is put to the vote next week. Mr Buttiglione, a conservative Catholic and friend of the Pope, is due to be given responsibility for the EU's anti-discrimination policies. But he caused outrage by describing homosexuality as a "sin", suggesting women should spend more time having babies and less time working, and that single mothers "weren't very good".
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/23/2004 12:30:40 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  into a full-blown crisis

Does any editor read this stuff before it goes out on the wire?
Posted by: Doc8404 || 10/23/2004 0:56 Comments || Top||

#2  What is telling I think is that homosexual marriage is only legal in the Netherlands I believe. It's not even an issue in the rest of Europe that is open for debate. The only persons who are worked up are the MEPs and their parrots in the EU media.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/23/2004 1:04 Comments || Top||

#3  Sockpuppet> What is telling I think is that homosexual marriage is only legal in the Netherlands I believe.

Same-sex marriage is legal in Netherlands and Belgium, soon to be legal in Spain as well.

But several other countries already have "civil unions" or "domestic partnerships" -- Denmark, France, Germany I believe.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 10/23/2004 8:38 Comments || Top||

#4  As a sidenote, however, the problem wasn't the guy's views about same-sex marriage so that's irrelevant one way or another -- when the article says "his views on homosexuality and marriage", it means his views on two different issues, not in connection with one another -- a) homosexuality b) marriage.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 10/23/2004 8:45 Comments || Top||

#5  Aris, the issue is how the elite of both the U.S. and the E.U. have attempted to make this perverted behavior "mainstream" and to make those defending centuries-old values the evil ones. Similar to how one must fight the Islamonuts we must also fight/defend against the destruction of institutions which have helped form the glue of civilization in the Judeo Christian West.
Posted by: Constitutional Individualist || 10/23/2004 10:22 Comments || Top||

#6  Similar to how one must fight the Islamonuts we must also fight/defend against the destruction of institutions which have helped form the glue of civilization in the Judeo Christian West.

Sorry, but I can see no "similarity" whatsoever between the fight against a tyrannical murderous ideology that has killed and enslaved millions upon millions of people worldwide, and the so-called fight against the legitimization of homosexual behaviour or same-sex marriage.

The still expanding virtues of the "West" are what have *allowed* tolerance towards homosexuality and the beginnings of instituting same-sex marriage, a tolerance which isn't yet found in either the Islamic countries nor the Third World, nor other tyrannical regimes.

Islamofascists want to drag society back, gay-rights supporters want to push society forwards.

So, even if Conservative christians oppose both, wanting to remain where they are instead, don't even pretend that their reaction to both impulses is the same battle.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 10/23/2004 11:04 Comments || Top||

#7  If there ever was a EU "scandal", this is one I like. It would be perfect if the EU parliment rejected Barroso's commission. This would strengthen the power of the parliament which is democratically elected, while the commission members who hold most of the power are appointed.
Posted by: True German Ally || 10/23/2004 11:31 Comments || Top||

#8  Funny, that seems so queer for them to react that way.
Posted by: Capt America || 10/23/2004 12:34 Comments || Top||

#9  Completely agreed with you, TGA. As I had mentioned a couple days ago, this is a truly sweet "scandal" for me.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 10/23/2004 12:47 Comments || Top||

#10  Aris: "Islamofascists want to drag society back, gay-rights supporters want to push society forwards."
I think that in this case there are more than just two directions. Ultra-liberal is not the only alternative to ultra-conservative.
Posted by: Tom || 10/23/2004 12:52 Comments || Top||

#11  Tom> "I think that in this case there are more than just two directions." Perhaps. Still, let's atleast agree that there's more than *one* direction. And that pro-gay rights people aren't driving towards where the Islamofascists want to go.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 10/23/2004 13:04 Comments || Top||

#12  Agreed, but none of them are driving to where Buttiglione and I want them to go.
Posted by: Tom || 10/23/2004 14:39 Comments || Top||


Great White North
Martin acts the statesman
Wants ministers to hold tongues
(translates into American as "Just shut up!")
Prime Minister Paul Martin is telling his cabinet to mind their own business when it comes to the U.S. presidential election. While some ministers have been speaking up about a preference for Democratic contender John Kerry in the Nov. 2 vote, Martin yesterday put a muzzle on the speculation. "The Americans will choose their president as Canadians will choose their prime minister, and I think that's the way we should let the comment go," Martin told reporters. The government will have to work with whoever wins on Nov. 2 and it has been standard practice in the past for ministers to keep their opinions to themselves on their preferred candidates.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/23/2004 3:21:02 AM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:


Home Front: Politix
And again.... Flagstaff, Arizona GOP office attacked
Flag GOP office vandalized

By SETH MULLER
Sun Staff Reporter
10/23/2004

Political motivations turned criminal Thursday night or early Friday when vandals smashed a large glass door with a section of cinder block at the Republican Party headquarters in downtown Flagstaff.
A pile of shattered glass joined egg shells filling the entryway to the GOP offices, located on Humphreys Street across from Wheeler Park. Fliers with information criticizing President Bush were staked up outside the door.

It joined a spate of torn and damaged signs reported by both Republicans and Democrats throughout the Flagstaff area. On Sunday, the campaign for 1st Congressional District Democratic challenger Paul Babbitt reported a dozen signs torn and damaged at its volunteer office on Verde Street.

Local GOP coordinator John Echols said he received at 7 a.m. phone call from an employee at Enterprise Rent-a-Car next door reporting the vandalism. Echols arrived to find the smashed door, but little else in the way of damage. Still, police are considerting the crime as a felony because cost to replace the door is expected to exceed $1,000.

"Thankfully, none of the office had been vandalized," Echols said, but speculated that the vandals most likely intended to cause more damage. "I think they may have been spooked. We are on a major thoroughfare."

For Echols, it's nothing new. In 2002, someone threw a rock through a window at the Republican headquarters, then located at the Bashas' plaza at the north end of Humprheys Street.

"I still have that rock from two years ago," Echols said, pulling it out of the closest in his headquarters office.

Echols also reported that a number of Bush-Cheney supporters have had their signs torn down, and a few "have had swastikas painted on them."
Brownshirts leave their calling card?

But the Republicans are not the only ones suffering at the hands of vandals.

Babbitt campaign communications director Carlos Vizcarra said that on Sunday, all of the signs posted out in front of the office had been slashed. "And we have had other signs that supporters have had stolen or torn up."
He doesn't have any broken bones, bullet holes or broken windows, however, and Repubs lose at least as many signs.

Vizcarra said it was hard to tell if the damage was politically motivated, but one Babbitt supporter told the campaign that his signs were destroyed but not the Bush-Cheney signs posted by his neighbor.
We have a Dem commissar's word for that, it must be true.

Officer David Holland, the responding officer, said that he logged several items into evidence for the investigation. Among those items were the cinder block, a "good" fingerprint card, signage stakes, beer bottles, a piece of paper with names on it, glass, a hubcap, and witness statements.

He also logged items of "anti-Bush literature," he said.

Among the statements on the literature was, "We can't get back the last four years. We can't lose the next four."

The case has been referred to the detective division for follow up to include contacting the names mentioned on the the piece of paper.

Supervisors with the patrol and detective divisions have not heard of any significant problems regarding the damaging or theft of campaign signs.

"We don't get that many reports," said Sgt. Gerry Blair of the police department. "Most of the time, people don't report it."

He added that it has been his experience that campaign sign damage or theft is considered a nuisance by residents, and it has become an expected occurrance.The department will receive sporadic reports during a campaign season, but not to the level mentioned by the political party headquarters staff in Flagstaff.

Felony criminal damage is another matter, Blair said. Those crimes, like what happened early this morning, seldom go unreported.

"This is a felony and will be treated as such, and if we figure out who did it, we'll pursue prosecution," Blair said.

Blair emphasized that residents who experience campaign sign damage or theft should call police, so investigators can begin discerning patterns in the crimes.

"We can't investigate crimes we don't know about," he said. or that don't happen....

Slashed and stolen signs are NOT equivalent to massive vandalism, let alone to the shootings, personal assaults, and polling place obstruction we have seen from lefty guerrillas in recent weeks. Yet broken signs and slashed bumper-stickers are about all the Democrat equivalency pimps can cling to in their effort to obscure this ongoing nation-wide rampage. They don't need much of a smokescreen, however, since the national socialist mainstream media can be counted on to ignore all but the most egregious assaults, and to ignore the pattern completely.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 10/23/2004 8:10:00 PM || Comments || Link || [9 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Anybody see a trend here lately? Check this out. It seems that people with poor manners tilt toward sKerry.
Posted by: Tom || 10/23/2004 21:31 Comments || Top||

#2  My Bush sign got trashed late today; there's some damage to the Bush sign two houses up the street. (Curiously, the moonbat left my Voinovich (Senator) and Regula (Congresscritter) signs intact.)

I plan to go get two replacements tomorrow after church. I may even volunteer for the 72-hour effort. I don't get mad, I get even.
Posted by: Mike || 10/23/2004 23:31 Comments || Top||


Hollywood Joins Effort to Intimidate Republican Vote in Florida
On Election Day, voters will be protected from campaign pressures by a 50-foot cone, an invisible barrier that campaign workers cannot breach. Not so for early voters. While the Voter's Bill of Rights in state law says they have a right to "vote free from coercion or intimidation by elections officers or any other person," a glitch in the newer early voting law does not include the same 50-foot guarantee.

As a result, with early voting taking place in busy public places like City Halls and libraries, voters are voicing complaints of being blocked by political mobs, or being singled out for their political views. Others say they have been grabbed, screamed at and cursed by political partisans of all stripes.

Republican Lawrence Gottfried, who became a poll watcher in Delray Beach after what he thought was inappropriate behavior at the polls, said the things he saw upset him. Gottfried said that while working at the Delray poll, actor Danny DeVito and his wife, actress Rhea Perlman, showed up. Gottfried is a fan, but he didn't ask for an autograph. "I said, `Look Mr. DeVito, I'm a big fan of yours and Rhea's, but you are blocking the entrance. You're campaigning, you've got a Kerry-Edwards button on, and it's not appropriate."

Gottfried, who used to be a Democrat, said the things he saw were "ridiculous." "There is a time for partisanship and it's OK to have a different point of view, but don't violate the sanctity of the polling area," he said.
Posted by: BigEd || 10/23/2004 3:29:40 PM || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Gottfried, who used to be a Democrat..."

Just like me. I wonder how many former Democrats have been created since 9/11?
Posted by: Dave D. || 10/23/2004 17:02 Comments || Top||

#2  Those who block polling places, terrorize voters or election officials or otherwise attempt to interfere with the electoral process are striking at the very foundation of the democratic process and the Constitution.
They should be given one warning, then SHOT DEAD.
I am not kidding, if preserving the Constitutional process in the face of terrorist tactics does not justify lethal force, then nothing does.
Stay out of my way when I go to vote, pop-culture whores and slaves.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 10/23/2004 17:08 Comments || Top||

#3  Instead of a cone, they should make it pyramid-shaped... and put a large crystal at each corner. And make sure the feng shui is right - starting with a good space clearing. This will make the Hollywood type feel their muse when they enter the booth. There have been problems in the past with SAG members taking so long in the booth - trying to "get into character". Many have, thus empowered, committed suicide. This is a good thing - there's an over-abundance of character actors. And most are Donks, anyway.
Posted by: .com || 10/23/2004 17:14 Comments || Top||

#4  What the Hollywood idiots need is the "Cone of Scilence"
Posted by: Cheaderhead || 10/23/2004 17:33 Comments || Top||

#5  As I recall, they had one, but typically, it didn't work
Posted by: Frank G || 10/23/2004 17:43 Comments || Top||

#6  Geez, I wish I lived in one of those states where I would ahve opportunity to spit on one of those LLL Hollywierd people. (sigh)
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 10/23/2004 18:40 Comments || Top||

#7  I will probably attempt to early vote in California. However, other than the state assembly race, it is alredy decided...

I am considering carrying pepper spray to the library where the close "early polling" place is in case such hollywierds show up and interfere, since both my wife and I are fans of the "W"....

Kerry will probably win here, but, I wonder if the dimbulbs in this state knew that our terminatin' governor is a member of Bush's slate of electors it would matter...probably not...
Posted by: BigEd || 10/23/2004 23:50 Comments || Top||

#8  Well, it could still be helpful for you to vote, in case we come close to one of those "since the D's won the popular vote the R's should just roll over and let their lawyers steal the electoral vote" situations like in 2000.
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 10/24/2004 0:15 Comments || Top||


UK Guardian - First Ohio; Then Threatens President
Hat Tip DRUDGE
Dumb show

Charlie Brooker
Saturday October 23, 2004
The Guardian

Heady times. The US election draws ever nearer, and while the rest of the world bangs its head against the floorboards screaming "Please God, not Bush!", the candidates clash head to head in a series of live televised debates. It's a bit like American Idol, but with terrifying global ramifications. You've
got to laugh.
{SNIP} TO THE OFFENSIVE GARBAGE BY OSAMA-BAIT BROOKER
On November 2, the entire civilised world will be praying, praying Bush loses. And Sod's law dictates he'll probably win, thereby disproving the existence of God once and for all. The world will endure four more years of idiocy, arrogance and unwarranted bloodshed, with no benevolent deity to watch over and save us. John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald, John Hinckley Jr - where are you now that we need you?
Can the Secret Service go to London and question this piece of manure, the so-called "Charlie Brooker" , in a dark room with electrodes, iron maidens, and racks?
Posted by: BigEd || 10/23/2004 3:02:13 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Well, I just sent this to HOMELAND SECURITY. Maybe they have a working agreement with Scotland Yard. Free speech is good. Veiled threats against an allied leader are not part of free speech.
Posted by: BigEd || 10/23/2004 15:34 Comments || Top||

#2  This is insane. What, exactly, is it that Bush has done that's got these people in such a screaming, dribbling panic?

So far, we have (with U.N. approval) removed the Taliban regime in Afghanistan and hunted down the Al-Qaeda fanatics it was harboring; put an end to the senseless, ineffectual farce of the U.N.'s attempts to disarm Saddam Hussein by going into Iraq and doing it ourselves; and have engineered a drastic stepping-up of law-enforcement efforts against Islamic terrorists and their enablers around the globe. And in the process of all this, we have adopted a policy which-- finally!-- absolutely INSISTS that these threats be dealt with.

And for this, Bush, and America, are hated with a fury I can't recall ever seeing before in any of my 55 years.

WHAT ARE THESE IDIOTS COMPLAINING ABOUT??????
Posted by: Dave D. || 10/23/2004 15:36 Comments || Top||

#3  Dave D. This is my point. Hopefully enough people like me EMailed Homeland security as well as some of their own folks seeing this so they can contact Scotland Yard as I described above!
Posted by: BigEd || 10/23/2004 15:41 Comments || Top||

#4  How fucked is the Guardian? I believe this guy is their TV critic!
When Bush wins, I literally expect people like this heads to explode. They just physically and mentally won't be able to deal with it.
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/23/2004 15:42 Comments || Top||

#5  tu3031 - Head explode? When "Team America II" comes out and they have a "London Newspaper Reporter" with an exploding head, you should contact the producers for royalties...
Posted by: BigEd || 10/23/2004 15:53 Comments || Top||

#6  The English are our kin. Pinko liberalism knows no boundaries, Al-Guardian is melting down as nor more or less that our fellow LLL.

I suggest they migrate on over to France or San Fran, at least they'll feel a bit better being among their fraternal cry-babies.

Stock up the valium!
Posted by: Mac Suirtain || 10/23/2004 16:15 Comments || Top||

#7  Holy shit!
This is not Al Guardian's first endorsement of a Bush assassination, but it is the most blatant.

To answer the future Gideon bait's critic's question, Oswald and Booth were both shot to death, Hinckley is still in the looney-bin, and two other Presidential assassins, Franco-phile Charles Guiteau and anarchist Leon Czolgosz, were hanged and electrocuted respectively.

Speaking of exploding heads, the local RC model shops might have the necessary tools, even at trans-Atlantic range.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 10/23/2004 16:26 Comments || Top||

#8  Dave D, they're complaining about American self-defense.

They wish they could join Iranian mullahcrats in shouting openly "Death To America!"
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 10/23/2004 16:33 Comments || Top||

#9  But, why? Why?

WHY????????????????????

Posted by: Dave D. || 10/23/2004 16:35 Comments || Top||

#10  Because in an insane world, the sane man must appear insane.

You're a loonie, Dave. You're welcome, heh.
Posted by: .com || 10/23/2004 16:39 Comments || Top||

#11  Thanks, bro.
Posted by: Dave D. || 10/23/2004 16:41 Comments || Top||

#12  Lol! ;-)
Posted by: .com || 10/23/2004 16:43 Comments || Top||

#13  Here's the deal Dave, when you mix wack-job liberal political nonsense, with soul crushing envy you get this sort of twisted bullshit!

The lefty Euro-freaks know for a fact that their paltry little contributions to the world scene are rarely noticed compared to the juggernaught that is the USA.

It's just a real shame for the right minded and decent Euro's who have to live amoungst them.
Posted by: RJB in JC MO || 10/23/2004 16:43 Comments || Top||

#14  Well, Dave, it is possible that Brooker, like many British chatterati, has investments in companies that profited under the oil for food scam, or in other Arab-run enterprises. In the UK, Arab investment and influence in business and finance are so pervasive that open opposition to Islamic objectives can carry a definite economic penalty. The same is true for scientists, artists, activist groups, and others who depend in one way or another on voluntary grants or donations.
The Brit-bigots are not violent lunatics, they are something much worse, opportunists and whores.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 10/23/2004 16:43 Comments || Top||

#15  I hear what you guys are saying, and I can't argue with any of it; but it's starting to seem more like some kind of mass mental illness or something. This is just plain NUTS.
Posted by: Dave D. || 10/23/2004 16:54 Comments || Top||

#16  why? Because the Tranzi dream is in tatters, and if Bush wins reelection, any remaining hope of reviving it will end. That's why.

The Tranzies believe in Democracy, as long as the people answer correctly. But the people shouldn't actually get a choice; they should just confirm the wisdom of the enlightened elite. Democracy is a fine thing if it's just for show, but the voters shouldn't actually be permitted to control major decisions because they're stupid and ignorant and unenlightened.

Especially if they're American voters, who most unfortunately get to choose the man who will fill the most powerful elective office on the planet, and who somehow don't realize that they're supposed to take their cues from their betters, like British leftist writers.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste || 10/23/2004 17:30 Comments || Top||

#17  Lol! Nice bitch-slap, SDB! I, myself, have given up on being a good follower of elitist fashion - I just can't quite get the hang of it. I guess I'll just have to remain a poor dumb cowboy, and try to be the best cowboy I can be. Sigh.
Posted by: .com || 10/23/2004 17:38 Comments || Top||

#18  PD - growing up in the SW USA, the worst cowboy is better than an EU role model
Posted by: Frank G || 10/23/2004 17:44 Comments || Top||

#19  That makes sense to me, Steven. And here at home, I have a hunch the furor among the leftist cogniscenti is propelled mainly by the realization that Bush, if re-elected, may well get to appoint two or even three new Supreme Court justices-- and for them, that would (or could, anyway) be an utter disaster.

But they're not talking much about that, preferring instead to whip up their knuckle-dragging hoards with "Bush Lied!" rhetoric and such.

All I know is, I've never seen an election this ugly and hateful-- not even in 1968 or 1972. Back then, the violent leftists were well outside the mainstream; but today's Democrats seem to have internalized the sensibilities of the "Days of Rage" crowd.

I don't like this. I don't like it one damned bit, because it's starting to feel like a civil war is brewing.
Posted by: Dave D. || 10/23/2004 17:46 Comments || Top||

#20  The LLL hate of LBJ in the 60s was something to behold, but the LLL is outdoing itself today with Bush. It is absolutely pathological, all consuming. Pretty soon they will become autoigniting and the greenhouse gasses will go through the roof!
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/23/2004 17:50 Comments || Top||

#21  A side note: I think we've been making a big, BIG mistake over the last decade and a half, talking about how we've "defeated Communism". In fact, we have not: it's alive and well right here. Progressivism, in my opinion, is nothing more than Stalinist communism with a crudely-drawn smiley face painted over it; and every "progressive" is just another budding Pol Pot.
Posted by: Dave D. || 10/23/2004 17:50 Comments || Top||

#22  Frank - I'm afraid to ask - what is an EU role model? *cringes*
Posted by: .com || 10/23/2004 17:51 Comments || Top||

#23  "Have a nice day - or ELSE, maggot!"
Posted by: .com || 10/23/2004 17:52 Comments || Top||

#24  Dominique...who I hear may not be a woman
Posted by: Frank G || 10/23/2004 17:53 Comments || Top||

#25  Owwww! I didn't cringe nearly enough!
Posted by: .com || 10/23/2004 18:00 Comments || Top||

#26 

Here's Brooker's photo, for programming target recognition systems printing on toilet paper, dartboards, and pistol targets.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 10/23/2004 18:28 Comments || Top||

#27  Brooker bears an uncanny resemblance to Julius Streicher:

Same pointed chin, beady eyes, massive jawline, suspiciously non-Aryan nose (mother had Jewish patrons perhaps?).
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 10/23/2004 18:37 Comments || Top||

#28  ATOMIC! :

Are you suggesting that...

Brooker..."Boys from Brazil" cloning experiment?
Posted by: BigEd || 10/23/2004 23:55 Comments || Top||

#29  SDB, Its worse than that for the Left. If you look at the Left's position/arguments invariable they come down to 'We hold the moral high ground'. Post 9/11, its the Right that has been espousing positions that whatever you think about them from a pragmatic/utilitarian perspective, they are extremely difficult to argue against on moral grounds. Try and construct a moral argument for not removing Saddam.

This is why the Left has gone into such paroxisms. The moral underpining of their philosophy has been exposed as sand, and it isn't nice for the Left and in response they are lashing out at those who have caused it - personified in Bush.
Posted by: phil_b || 10/24/2004 0:30 Comments || Top||


Cher Issues Bush Warning At Unpacked Disco Show
HT to Drudge - Schadenfreude serving
Only a couple hundred came out to see Cher Friday night at Miami Beach's CROBAR disco, but that did not stop the legendary diva from issuing an election warning against Republican control.

"There were supposed to be thousands of people here tonight. I'm not sure why that didn't happen, obviously the people putting on this thing were just not very good at it," an embarrassed Cher explained to the crowd. Alright, but you guys are here, that's right. When I was coming down the steps I though 'Oh s**t, well I'll just go out there and give it my best.'"
why hundreds? maybe because you're a washed up has been?
The MIAMI HERALD had reported thousands were expected to rally at the discotheque. LOL

Cher warned moveon.org clubgoers to fight Bush, before "it's too late": "All the gay guys, all my friends, all my gay friends, you guys you have got to vote, alright? Because it would only be a matter of time before you guys would be so screwed, I cannot tell you. Because, you know, the people, like, in the very right wing of this party, of these Republicans, the very very right wing, the Jerry Falwell element, if they get any more power, you guys are going to be living in some state by yourselves. So, I hate scare tactics, but I really believe that that's true."
state of Denial?
"I think that as Bush will, if Bush gets elected, he will put in new Superior Court judges, and these guys are not going to want to see gay pride week."

Cher declared that Abraham Lincoln "looks like Kerry on a crappy day."

Political activist Rosie O'Donnell is set to witness on Saturday night in Ft Lauderdale. O'Donnell will speak on Bush and his policies in Iraq at hotspot CLUB OVATION.

doesn't sound very hot to me...and what's up with Ex-Celebrities "witnessing". I guess you do that when you can't meet "performance" levels?


Posted by: Frank G || 10/23/2004 2:43:07 PM || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I bet Gene Simmons is scrubbing his tongue with a brillo pad.
Posted by: Mac Suirtain || 10/23/2004 14:49 Comments || Top||

#2  How pathetic and surly and unrealistic and foolish and disingenuous and absurd can it get?

"Do you know who I am?" is certainly being overused this season, lol!
Posted by: .com || 10/23/2004 14:54 Comments || Top||

#3  Forgive Cher. She had to say what she said. She's isn't an idiot, but you know 80 percent of her clientele at the bar were probably gay men.
Posted by: badanov || 10/23/2004 15:00 Comments || Top||

#4  If I want advice on what plastic surgeon to go to, Cher's my girl. On who I should vote for for president? Don't think so.
And Rosie's in Lauderdale tonight to speak on Iraq policy? Great! Maybe I'll fly down and get her advice on how to buy adopted children.
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/23/2004 15:00 Comments || Top||

#5  It's not hard to identify the brains of the old Sonny and Cher act. The late Congressman Bono must be turning over in his grave.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 10/23/2004 15:20 Comments || Top||

#6  Cher was out in 1988 campaigning for Dukakis against "41", so she's gotten 16 years older, and that much loonier...

Guess all the tattoo artist vote is a rollin' in since she is such a good customer...
Posted by: BigEd || 10/24/2004 0:00 Comments || Top||


Slap the Candidate! Weekend Fun!
Can you gain 10 points for placing Kerry on his Bramin?

Click the link and find out
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Every slap counts!

Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/23/2004 12:32:39 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Great fun! The best is when you get a 10!
Posted by: nada || 10/23/2004 13:35 Comments || Top||

#2  That can be really addictive!
Posted by: Tom || 10/23/2004 13:47 Comments || Top||

#3  Three 10 point pimp slaps is a row is enough. It is bad enough looking at Jon bon sKerry's ugly mug, but having Dean popping up too is just too much.
Posted by: Mac Suirtain || 10/23/2004 14:54 Comments || Top||

#4  To test your anti-terrorist skills click the link.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/23/2004 19:41 Comments || Top||


Hawai'i Poll: Bush, Kerry in dead heat (New Story)
Via Bros. Judd again!
...The Hawai'i Poll, taken among 600 likely voters statewide between Oct. 13 and Monday, had Bush at 43.3 percent and Kerry at 42.6 percent. The margin of error was 4 percentage points. [...] Nearly a third of the people who plan to vote for Bush described themselves as Democrats while only 5 percent of Republicans say they will vote for Kerry. "I'm a Democrat but I strongly support what President Bush is doing," said Jun Elegino, a nursing student at Hawai'i Pacific University who serves in the Army National Guard. "He's my commander in chief...."
Posted by: anonymous2u || 10/23/2004 12:23:56 PM || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This wasn't supposed to happen: Gore carried Hawaii by 20 points in 2000.
Posted by: Ptah || 10/23/2004 17:19 Comments || Top||

#2  Keep Teresa foaming at the mouth, as well as the rest of the dems. keep up the voter fraud stories, as well as the vandalism and burglaries of Republican campaign offices, and the dems will lose Hawai'i.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/23/2004 17:24 Comments || Top||

#3  I'm volunteering to help the GOP get out the vote in Hawaii. Bags packed. Ready to go. They haven't called back with the ticket/reservation....
Posted by: Frank G || 10/23/2004 17:28 Comments || Top||

#4  My bird does not have the range, Frank. We will get out about 800 miles, then it's time to swim, heh heh.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/23/2004 17:42 Comments || Top||

#5  I saw a scenario (unlikely, but not implausible) in which Hawaii would decide the winner. I think Kerry got Ohio and Florida, while Bush got Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, New Mexico. Plus or minus a state.

Think of all the lawyers that went to Florida in November/December 2000. How many would go to Hawaii?

We need a way for Alaska or Maine to be the deciding state.
Posted by: jackal || 10/23/2004 17:51 Comments || Top||

#6  Two points, first 600 likely voters is a small sample. Second, if Kerry declares victory early as planning voter turnout in the west will be really low. Its up to Republicans to push for people to go to the polls no matter what, for local elections if nothing else.

Personally I think we're looking at a landslide. I think the number of Democrats willing to admit they'll vote for Bush is a lot lower than the number that really intend to vote for Bush, a fact that screws the polls all over the place.
Posted by: RJ Schwarz || 10/23/2004 18:14 Comments || Top||

#7  Now will you believe me when I say California is still in play. There is a HUGE concerted effort by Republicans to get out the vote. It's going to be close if in this State. A ton of voters are voting Absentee and they are mostly Republicans.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 10/23/2004 22:20 Comments || Top||

#8  I'll repeat what I said yesterday . . . Bush twins . . . seaside rally with pickup beach volleyball game . . . C'mon, Mr. Rove! You gotta do this!!
Posted by: Mike || 10/23/2004 23:01 Comments || Top||


Lawrence O'Donnell and Liberals unhinged
The left is unhinged if you didn't already know it. This is absolutely unreal. Good links to the melt down against the Swift Vets. While we are at it how about $50?
Posted by: Bill Nelson || 10/23/2004 12:09:58 PM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  here's the video - he lost his mind. I emailed MSNBC and asked them to remove him from his position
Posted by: Frank G || 10/23/2004 15:22 Comments || Top||

#2  That is an amazing clip. O'Donnell was insane. I've just sent emails to the MSNBC TV and Scarborough Country addresses giving them my opinion of his behavior.
Posted by: .com || 10/23/2004 16:10 Comments || Top||

#3  I saw a 'Rock the Vote' Special on MTV this morning and the left is definately coming unglued. They talked about the war on drugs and how Bush supports stiff laws and Kerry doesn't. They even had a drug dealer in prison that had a very sad story on how the 'Rich White College Kids' tricked him into selling 'too much' and thereby getting a longer sentence. His Mom and Dad also quoted as 'My son would nver sell that large amount of coke.' So I guess they were cool as long as he was small time drug dealer? These people need to be sterilized so they don't infect the rest of the population.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 10/23/2004 16:58 Comments || Top||

#4  Not to sound too stupid but who is Lawrence O'Donnell?
I don't watch TV news and commentary programs.
Posted by: edc || 10/23/2004 18:14 Comments || Top||

#5  MSNBC "anchor" and "journalist" - link - About midway down in 2nd column from left...
Posted by: .com || 10/23/2004 18:18 Comments || Top||

#6  Thanks .com,
So I take from the article that Pat Buchanan was the host and O'Donnell was there just to attack the guest O'Neill.
That just seems so wrong on so many levels.
Posted by: edc || 10/23/2004 18:32 Comments || Top||

#7  Oh - you gotta watch it - it's just amazing. You got the gist - but the punch is to see this so-called "journalist" literally have a meltdown.

I've only written an email to a news org once before, but this guy pushed my buttons, big time. O'Neill was classy, cool, and dignified. Polar opposites in behavior.

Worthy.
Posted by: .com || 10/23/2004 18:36 Comments || Top||

#8  Isn't this clown one of Chris M's buddies?
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/23/2004 19:21 Comments || Top||


Bush v. Kerry international endorsements
John Kerry boasted earlier this year that he's met with a number of world leaders who are secretly rooting for him to defeat George Bush on Nov. 2. But in an unprecedented series of announcements in recent days, most U.S. allies are lining up behind Bush - with Kerry garnering the backing of several of America's most outspoken antagonists.
The scorecard:
Bush: Japan, Australia, Russia, Italy
Kerry: North Korea, Cuba, & the Palestinian Authority

I'm having a tough time believing that this election is even going to be close.
Posted by: AzCat || 10/23/2004 11:11:17 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  You haven't seen just how viciously the Dems are already cheating, AzCat ...
Posted by: Edward Yee || 10/23/2004 12:17 Comments || Top||

#2  Kerry: North Korea, Cuba, & the Palestinian Authority

THAT, my friends, is an endorsement! LOL!
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/23/2004 16:42 Comments || Top||


Ohio GOP Pre-Challenges 35,000 Voters
Ohio Republican Party officially filed challenges Friday to approximately 35,000 registrants in 65 counties where voter fraud is believed to have taken place. The state's Republican Party is pre-challenging these registrants' right to vote in the 2004 presidential election because mail to the new registrants was returned as undeliverable by U.S. Postal Service authorities. "Our goal in filing these pre-election challenges is to protect the integrity of Ohio's electoral process," said Bob Bennett, chairman of the Ohio Republican Party. "We want to ensure that voters are not disenfranchised by fraud in this election. This is an effort to clarify questionable registrations in advance so they don't become an issue on Election Day."

Earlier in the week, Bennett was joined by Republican National Committee Chairman Ed Gillespie at a news conference where he showed thousands of pieces of undeliverable mail to newly registered voters. Concern was raised when the rate of return was at an unprecedented higher rate than in the past. At the previous news conference, Bennett cited that the normal rate of return on new registrations in less than 1 percent. However, this year the rate of return has ranged from 2 percent to 11 percent in Ohio counties. Bennett also called on the Democratic Party to help in ensuring a fair and honest election this November, instead of making outrageous claims that the Republican Party is trying to suppress voters.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/23/2004 2:39:12 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Intimidation! Voter rights suppression! Meme! Meme! Meme!

The Dhimmidicks may have already succeeded in stealing this election - just through their "voter registration drives" - a joke if ever there was one in politics. If not, well, they'll try to do it in the courts.

This could get very un-funny very fast, folks.
Posted by: .com || 10/23/2004 11:16 Comments || Top||

#2  We may have to win this one ugly. Perhaps to the point of having entire counties thrown out because of the massive fraud. That is why we need to also concentrate on senate and house races in non battleground states which may be below the radar. Because of massive gerrymandering here in California, there is no district where voter registration is closer than 55-45 (counting 2 parties only) either way, but in other states, and in Senate races, by definition, immune to reapportionment lines we must proceed with the fight, and if on election fraud has altered things in Florida, and Ohio... God help us, but 2000 will look like a sunny picnic.
Posted by: BigEd || 10/23/2004 15:48 Comments || Top||


ACORN in trouble in FL, and other registration frauds
Florida probes activists' voter-registration effort
Law-enforcement authorities in Florida have begun a statewide investigation into suspected voter fraud, focusing on accusations that a liberal activist group used a statewide petition drive for a constitutional amendment to raise the minimum wage to improperly register anti-President Bush voters. Amid accusations that voter registration applications have been switched, duplicated, destroyed, forged and otherwise improperly obtained, the investigation has centered, in part, on petition and registration efforts by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN). ACORN, which claims to have registered 1.1 million new voters nationwide since July 2003, has actively been collecting signatures on petitions for a constitutional amendment to raise the state's minimum wage from $5.15 to $6.15 an hour. That proposal, now on the Nov. 2 ballot, is expected to boost turnout among 300,000 poor and blue-collar voters in the state , who would be expected to support Democratic candidate Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts rather than Mr. Bush.

Voter fraud is of particularly interest in Florida, a battleground state, where recounts and legal challenges after the 2000 presidential elections delayed final results for five weeks before Mr. Bush was declared the winner in Florida by 537 votes. ACORN claims to have registered 212,000 new voters in Florida for the Nov. 2 elections. An ACORN offshoot, known as Floridians for All, a political action committee, says it has collected signed petitions from nearly 1 million people in the state to increase the minimum wage.
Continued on Page 49
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/23/2004 1:49:39 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "In Florida, most violations of voter fraud are a third-degree felony" - which is reason in and of itself to keep felons from voting. You want to steal my vote, be prepared to lose yours.
Posted by: Don || 10/23/2004 10:19 Comments || Top||

#2  But if felons can vote, then we have an endless loop.......
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/23/2004 16:45 Comments || Top||

#3  By the time the "democrat public employees union members" doing the investigation finish we will have held 3 more election and the statute of limitations will have run out.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/23/2004 16:55 Comments || Top||

#4  careful in tarring: I belong to my public employees union (agency shop) but withhold political dues (Beck decision)....most engineers (not all, of course) are Reps
Posted by: Frank G || 10/23/2004 17:00 Comments || Top||

#5  They are going to have Engineers investigating this? I bet they use lawyers. I wonder if lawyers withold their political dues? Betcha they don't. Betcha even most cops don't and they tend to be conservative. But I bet all the leadership are Dems. So I will be waiting till hell freezes over for this to resolve.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/23/2004 17:26 Comments || Top||

#6  actually, at City of San Diego (where I work) - the lawyers aren't in a union (go figure!). Your other points are well-taken, SPOD
Posted by: Frank G || 10/23/2004 17:34 Comments || Top||

#7  Got one acronym for ACORN:

RICO.
Posted by: OldSpook || 10/23/2004 19:53 Comments || Top||


Map of state by state Electoral Votes:
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/23/2004 08:10 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Interactive: 'Mapping The Races' in the link
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/23/2004 8:20 Comments || Top||

#2  one of the best sites on the net for this stuff is realclearpolitics.com There is link for a map there that is updated daily (hourly?) and lots of good articles. Also, another map at electoral-vote.com
Posted by: 2b || 10/23/2004 8:36 Comments || Top||

#3  real clear's electoral map


Posted by: 2b || 10/23/2004 8:38 Comments || Top||

#4  2b, thanks, your map is far better.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/23/2004 8:59 Comments || Top||

#5  Here's a couple more:

Election Projection

Current Electoral Vote Predictor
Posted by: Dar || 10/23/2004 10:37 Comments || Top||

#6  This entire election is making me ill.
Posted by: anonymous2u || 10/23/2004 12:26 Comments || Top||

#7  This site, the ECB is very very good.

http://www.dalythoughts.com/

This is one of the very best - solid statistical and logical analysis and tracking on a state-by-state basis, evey single day. Very attentive to not letting bias creep into the ratings of which state is doing what (unlike CBS).

I also like Real Clear Politics - RCP is the best site for raw stats and polls.
Posted by: OldSpook || 10/23/2004 12:46 Comments || Top||

#8  FYI, CBS map is soooo wrong.

Minnesota has Bush at even, Bush has had a lead in Iowa for a few weeks and is up +6 now, and Wisconsin has been showing even and Bush +1 to +4 for weeks as well, yet CBS had both those states "Kerry".
Posted by: OldSpook || 10/23/2004 12:48 Comments || Top||


Kerry's Dilemma
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/23/2004 08:05 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Victor Davis Hanson doesn't know nothin!

**DUCKS**
Posted by: badanov || 10/23/2004 10:27 Comments || Top||

#2  Yo, bad - make those baby ducks and you'll get all the warm 'n fuzzies on your side, heh.
Posted by: .com || 10/23/2004 10:40 Comments || Top||


Florida investigates allegations of fraud in voter registration
as the beat goes on...
With 11 days to go before the November 2 presidential election, officials in the battleground state of Florida are looking into complaints of widespread voter fraud, the state's Department of Law Enforcement said. Over the last several weeks, the department has received numerous complaints from elections supervisors, the secretary of state's office and citizens alleging "sometimes organized efforts" to commit fraud in voter registrations, party affiliation forms and absentee ballots, the department said in a statement. Investigations are under way throughout the state. Some people who thought they were signing petitions apparently "later found out that their signatures or possible forged signatures were used to complete a fraudulent voter registration," the department said.

There were also reports of problems involving workers hired to obtain legitimate voter registrations. Some allegedly "filled in the information on the registration forms that should have been completed by the registrants," and in several cases workers "appear to have signed multiple voter registrations themselves using information obtained during the registration drive," the department said. "In many of the situations complained about, the workers were being paid on the basis of each registration form submitted." Most cases of voter fraud are third-degree felonies in Florida, punishable by up to five years in prison and a $5,000 fine for each charge, the department said.
(Coming in early 2005, "Dems in the Big House")
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/23/2004 5:27:15 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:


Voters Receive Phony Calls About Wrong Poll Locations
and the beat goes on...
Dozens of local voters said they have received phone calls at home from people claiming to be from the Franklin County Board of Elections and telling them to go to a wrong voting location to cast their ballots on Election Day, NBC 4's Elizabeth Scarborough reported. The Board of Elections said it has not made any such phone calls and is warning voters to beware. Voters have been calling the Board of Elections after receiving the calls from people claiming to be with the Board or with other groups. They said they were confused about where they should vote. With so many new voters this election season and with all of the hype surrounding the presidential election, Board of Elections officials said they are not surprised by the phony phone calls.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/23/2004 5:20:15 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  are we to believe that NONE of these people had caller ID or that the feds can't check their phone records?
Posted by: 2b || 10/23/2004 8:24 Comments || Top||


Republican Group Sues N.C. Election Board
A national Republican group sued the Democratic controlled State Board of Elections today seeking to get its television ads on the air before Election Day.
As the election battles heat up
The Republican Governors Association alleges the elections board is treating it differently from a similar Democratic group that was allowed to run advertisements for the governor's race. R-G-A leaders say they can't get a fair shake because all three Democrats on the five-member board have donated to Democratic Governor Mike Easley's campaign. The three Democrats voted last month to fine the R-G-A nearly 200 thousand dollars for airing an advertisement supporting Republican gubernatorial candidate Patrick Ballantine.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/23/2004 5:16:33 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  There was a lot of talk on the Charlotte radio yesterday about this and also something about early voting on Sunday in Mecklinburg county at churches. I gathered the democrat elections board in Meck said Sunday voting was okay to get the black vote. The booths are to be set up at black churches in the area.

As for the item cited by the article I guess there is a hearing set for Monday.

I was only listening on my way home so only heard a small bit. Anyone else have any more info?
Posted by: AF Lady || 10/23/2004 9:29 Comments || Top||

#2  More Dimocrat "Free Speech as long as its favorable to Democrats" crap coming from the former part of Jefferson.

Have these peopel no shame? Do they realize they are emulating Stalin?
Posted by: OldSpook || 10/23/2004 12:52 Comments || Top||

#3  OldSpook - Of course they realize it. They're using Stalin's playbook, and damned proud of it.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 10/23/2004 18:38 Comments || Top||


Triumph takes on Poop Alley
Posted by: tipper || 10/23/2004 02:34 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Bush/Cheney headquarters robbed in Cincy
Cincinnati's headquarters for the Bush/Cheney re-election campaign was broken into overnight. Money and a sign were taken from the office, on Seventh Street near Court Street. The thieves got in by breaking out a window. The office was also ransacked, officials said. It also houses other Republican organizations. No one had been arrested.
The dead Nazi Brownshirts in hell are grinning again tonight
Posted by: OldSpook || 10/23/2004 1:45:51 AM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It seems that there've been one or two of these events almost every day for weeks now. Is anyone on the 'net collecting them in one place?
Posted by: AzCat || 10/23/2004 2:27 Comments || Top||

#2  There is most of it listed here (scroll to the end).
Posted by: Memesis || 10/23/2004 3:27 Comments || Top||

#3  Try this: Battlegrounders
Posted by: ed || 10/23/2004 9:02 Comments || Top||

#4  I wonder what information they're looking for there.
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 10/23/2004 9:31 Comments || Top||

#5  Just a guess but I think they're probably out to steal / destroy voter lists to prevent organized last minute get-out-the-vote efforts.
Posted by: AzCat || 10/23/2004 10:50 Comments || Top||

#6  Yep - trying to stop the famous "96 hour" campaign that the Republicans use to jump their core turnout.

But its nto going to work: Republicans tend to have a lot of Christians working for them, and they know that Jesus Saves, so they do too. [Rimshot: Ba-dum-ching]
Posted by: OldSpook || 10/23/2004 13:08 Comments || Top||

#7  WOHOO!

I am now and OFFICIAL POLL WATCHER for the Republican Party.

Cannot wear anything supporting a political party, so...

Going to go get a high and tight, and wear my biggest Black Cowboy hat, pointy toed boots, and VFW shirt and American Legion Jacket that has the big gold Cavalry Crossed-sabres on the back.

And dare ANYONE to try monkey business in my assigned precinct.
Posted by: OldSpook || 10/23/2004 13:12 Comments || Top||

#8  OS--That's great news, congrats! I hope you'll give us a rundown afterwards of how the day went.
Posted by: Dar || 10/23/2004 13:24 Comments || Top||

#9  OS...make sure to bring along your best "thousand-yard stare" while you're at it...also what DAR said. Details!

Is the precinct you're watching red or blue?
Posted by: Seafarious || 10/23/2004 22:04 Comments || Top||

#10  OS, what is a "high and tight"? Oh, and congratulations! Trouble won't be trouble anymore when you are done with it. Remember to play nicely with your toys, and clean up afterwards ;-)
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/23/2004 23:00 Comments || Top||

#11  FYI: the cognoscenti abbreviate as "Cinti".
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/23/2004 23:01 Comments || Top||

#12  High and tight.
http://www.geocities.com/RodeoDrive/3696/Photos_ht.html
Posted by: Urako || 10/23/2004 23:07 Comments || Top||


International-UN-NGOs
How Kofi Annan Enabled the Genocide in Rwanda
From The New Yorker, an article by Philip Gourevitch
In the mid-nineties, Annan served as head of the U.N. Peacekeeping department for nearly four years, during which he oversaw the grim withdrawal of the U.N.'s force from Somalia, and the catastrophic failures of its missions in Bosnia and Rwanda. Nonetheless, he professes continued astonishment at the existence of evil. Since his elevation to Secretary-General in 1997, he has been charged by the U.N. Charter with looking after "the maintenance of international peace and security," and while that goal remains elusive, he exudes an uncanny sense of being at peace in himself. After all, as he never tires of pointing out, he has no practical political power. He controls no territory; he commands no troops; he cannot make or enforce laws; he cannot levy taxes; he exercises no administrative authority outside the U.N. bureaucracy, and he hasn't even got a vote in its General Assembly or on the Security Council. The Secretary-General, he says, is "invested only with the power that a united Security Council may wish to bestow, and the moral authority entrusted to him by the Charter"—or, put more plainly, he has nothing but his voice. ....

Continued on Page 49
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 10/23/2004 2:52:50 PM || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Good job, Mike! I knew you could do it!
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/23/2004 23:07 Comments || Top||

#2  GAAAAAAK!! Who are you, and whatever you've done with the real Mike S.- hide the body, k?
Posted by: Frank G || 10/23/2004 23:31 Comments || Top||


The West ignores low birthrates at its peril
Interesting editorial that affirms past discussions in Rantburg.
Posted by: Steve White || 10/23/2004 2:23:53 PM || Comments || Link || [8 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It’s a decent article with a clear statement of the problem and gives a couple of simple steps to reverse the trend.

It also points to Asian countries whose populations are older than Europe’s and who will face the crisis first. The Asian countries aren’t likely to use immigration to offset population decline. The Asian countries are also more willing to use government-mandated solutions.

I believe the Asian countries will use four approaches:
First, economic incentives for productive citizens to have more children.
Two, advanced robotics applied to healthcare.
Three, advanced medicine to improve the health of the aging populace (allowing the elderly to continue contributing to society).
Four, cloning and artificial wombs to produce the desired population levels.

I don’t believe nations such as Japan, South Korea or China will do nothing as their populations age and shrink.
Posted by: Anonymous5032 || 10/23/2004 17:20 Comments || Top||

#2  Wait a sec - China needs to shrink. Massively. Of course, this may be accomplished by nature in a SARS-like sweep, if they don't get on the stick and push health education and teach people, among other things, that living with their animals is a really bad idea.
Posted by: .com || 10/23/2004 17:28 Comments || Top||

#3  unfortunately this is another reason the powers-that-be wink 'n nod at the illegal immigration binge. It provides future workers to maintain the SSI program, given hispanic birth rates. A Faustian bargain
Posted by: Frank G || 10/23/2004 17:30 Comments || Top||

#4  China will shrink as their self-induced AIDS epidemic kicks in. Whole sections will be graveyards. Then, too, with all those one-child households, a generation from now things will be very different.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/23/2004 23:06 Comments || Top||


Kyoto treaty to be binding after Russian ratification
Environmentalists hailed Russia as the world's ecological saviour yesterday after the Russian parliament made good on President Vladimir Putin's promise to endorse the Kyoto climate change pact. Yesterday's vote will see the UN treaty take effect early next year. The world's industrialised countries (with the exception of America, the largest polluter) will have to cut their collective emissions of six greenhouse gases to 5.2 per cent below 1990 levels in eight years or face stiff penalties and global humiliation... Once it is approved by Russia's upper house and President Vladimir Putin ­ which is all but assured ­ the pact will have been ratified by the necessary 55 countries that accounted for at least 55 per cent of global emissions in 1990. Russia's upper house still has to ratify the pact and Mr Putin sign it into law, but both are seen as being merely procedural. Yesterday's vote was billed as the one that counted.

Mr Putin signalled that Russia would sign on the dotted line in May, making it clear that EU support for Russia's bid to join the World Trade Organisation (WTO) had been influential. "We support the Kyoto process," he said at the time. "The fact that the EU has met us halfway in negotiations on the WTO could not but have helped Moscow's positive attitude to the question of ratifying the Kyoto protocol." Mr Putin decided to back the pact in the face of often fierce domestic opposition. Two reports ­ one by the country's academy of sciences and another by a senior policy adviser ­ recommended he reject because it would cause irreparable damage to Russia's economy. Andrei Illarionov, an adviser to Mr Putin on economic matters, was particularly negative, angering Jewish groups by likening it to a "global Auschwitz", whose main purpose was to stifle economic growth.

The importance of Russia's ratification cannot be overstated. With America's continued refusal to ratify Kyoto Russia, responsible for 17 per cent of the world's greenhouse gas emissions, essentially had the casting vote. To enter into force the pact needed to be ratified by developed countries responsible for 55 per cent of emissions. That figure was 44 per cent before Russia came on board; now it is 61...
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/23/2004 2:45:30 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  There is no way Russia produces 17 per cent of the world’s greenhouse gas emissions. The US produces 25%. Russia with 1/2 the population, tiny apartments, little private transport, and anemic industry does not produce 40% per capita. Figures lie and liars figure.
Posted by: ed || 10/23/2004 10:05 Comments || Top||

#2  17% is the alleged Soviet figure, they're almost certainly way below that today. Methinks the Ruskies had this one played correctly from the start.
Posted by: AzCat || 10/23/2004 10:42 Comments || Top||

#3  ed: You have to calculate that, while Russia's industries are indeed anemic, they currently have zero pollution controls. So one old Russian plant produces pollution at levels not seen in the US since the 1950s (or before)--equivalent to dozens of modern US plants. Pollution in Russia is truly nightmarish, with schoolchildren often sent to the countryside just to get them out of the local contamination, and a horrific number of clearly pollution-related birth defects. The best visual image I can give for much of their industrial urban areas is the movie "Eraserhead".
Posted by: Anonymoose || 10/23/2004 10:46 Comments || Top||

#4  That 40% more per capita.

I can believe 17% for the entire FSU, but Russia has slightly less than 1/2 the population of the FSU. So it makes no sense to assign the entire 1990 FSU CO2 budget to Russia. Can you say let the bribes commence?

FSU industries are extraordinarily polluting. I have seen it. But the CO2 output per unit production is more an indicator of energy effciency than a pollution metric.
Posted by: ed || 10/23/2004 11:02 Comments || Top||

#5  no word on how this'll affect China and India (it won't). Kyoto is a lying facade to strangle America's economy by the ankle-biters and weak sisters of the EU
Posted by: Frank G || 10/23/2004 11:02 Comments || Top||

#6  And the 55% magic number that magically puts Kyoto "in force" world-wide? Why, they pulled it out of their asses, of course! Along with most of everything else in the Kyoto Accord. Therefore, prudent people should wipe before handling.

I feel a rant coming on...
Posted by: .com || 10/23/2004 11:04 Comments || Top||

#7  Kyoto is a lying facade to strangle America's economy by the ankle-biters and weak sisters of the EU.

True but since we've chosen not to play ball I see no downside for the US here. Exports from developed nations will become marginally less competitive in the global marketplace as compared to those from the US. This is a good thing for us.
Posted by: AzCat || 10/23/2004 11:16 Comments || Top||

#8  Check THIS out for links and info, from the non-Moonbat perspective.

You don't think that those who signed up for this phantasy won't attempt to punish those who didn't? If they could garner enough support to sign on, they'll have no difficulty getting support to add on punishment - likely via trade. I would be surprised if they didn't vote as a block to tie the WTO regs to this fairy tale - to, y'know, make it all "legitimate" and everything. It's already a UN thingy, so the next logical step...
Posted by: .com || 10/23/2004 11:26 Comments || Top||

#9  I agree that they'll try to tie us down with it thru regulatory, treaty, or moral tut-tutting. Any American politician willing to play that card should be run out of the country on a rail, right, Jean-Francois?
Posted by: Frank G || 10/23/2004 11:50 Comments || Top||

#10  No, I honestly don't think Western Europe can afford to kick off a full scale trade war over Kyoto. Most of them are carrying higher debt loads and facing relatively larger unfunded mandates than is the US. Having their producer's access to the world's richest consumer market damaged isn't something they can even afford to consider.

More likely we'll see them pushing a condemnation through the UN General Assembly where it can't be vetoed and/or attempting to sue for imagined damages in one of their European global courts.
Posted by: AzCat || 10/23/2004 11:53 Comments || Top||

#11  The numbers are fiction. They're based on "1990 emissions". In 1990, almost no one was tracking actual emissions on a comprehensive basis. So somebody was free to fiddle the numbers to their liking based on inference from fuel consumption, ASSumed efficiencies, etc. -- a consultant's dream job. I know of one large company that tried to work up their own 1990 numbers in about 1997 and found it to be an exercise in creativity.

The exercise is prone to error. Some companies use natural gas and oil as raw materials, for instance. In some cases, efficiencies are under-estimated because the people who sell new equipment and energy conservation systems stretch the truth to make their products seem more attractive. As one high-level corporate manager once said to me, "we've been doing energy efficiency improvement projects every year for decades -- you'd think we'd be at about 200% by now."

What should have been done in 1995 or 1997 was to set the baseline at about 1998 so some real numbers could have been obtained. Oh, well. That's Gore and Kerry for you -- half baked and half truths.
Posted by: Tom || 10/23/2004 12:23 Comments || Top||

#12  Never before has there been such a systematic assault on industrial production.

Russia is playing with the EU politicians, and the EU citizens will pay for it in the form of reduced productivity and lower standards of living.

Note that it is a loss for everybody on the planet. Less productivity among 300m+ people means less trade means higher prices (over and above the expansion of fiat money, i.e. inflation).

Now, the only rational way around Kyoto would be for all industrialized countries to re-start nuclear energy production. But they're too busy helping Iran...
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 10/23/2004 13:21 Comments || Top||

#13  "EU citizens will pay for it in the form of reduced productivity and lower standards of living." BZZZZZTTTT! We have a winner. That is what it's always been about, reducing the standard of living of the First world. This has almost zero to do with polution. If it did it would apply to 3rd and 2nd world nations. It doesnt. Guess who it's biggest target is? Gues what it's really about?
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/23/2004 15:06 Comments || Top||

#14  Never before has there been such a systematic assault on industrial production.

That's true but an even more sinister aspect of Kyoto is that it's also the first global (or at least quasi-global) implementation of Marxist economics. Had the US signed on I'd be terribly worried about the future but as it stands I think our friends in Western Europe will be presenting to the world a very clear-eyed look at the junk science behind the treaty in relatively short order because without the designated stuckee they'll be left holding the bag.
Posted by: AzCat || 10/23/2004 15:23 Comments || Top||

#15  Never before has there been such a systematic assault on industrial production.

That's true but an even more sinister aspect of Kyoto is that it's also the first global (or at least quasi-global) implementation of Marxist economics. Had the US signed on I'd be terribly worried about the future but as it stands I think our friends in Western Europe will be presenting to the world a very clear-eyed look at the junk science behind the treaty in relatively short order because without the designated stuckee they'll be left holding the bag.
Posted by: AzCat || 10/23/2004 15:25 Comments || Top||

#16  Kerry "would have signed it" Gore "would have signed it" every democrat politician "would have signed it." You don't know how close we are to being stabed in the back by our own on this. The frankly don't give a shit they are all millionares and can afford to do what ever they want regardless.

Think about this you want to buy LPG or Charcoal to BBQ with and can't you find out it's because of Koyto. You can't drive your car or travel today because it's mandated becasue of Koyto. You get the picture it's about control by the leftist elites.

Neo-Marxists Turn From Red to Green
Red is Green a list of resources right from one of the wack jobs.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/23/2004 15:42 Comments || Top||

#17  hmmm but when they were in the Senate and had a chance to vote for it, nobody did, nor did Clinton/Gore push it. Talk is cheap, especially for chronic liars
Posted by: Frank G || 10/23/2004 15:59 Comments || Top||

#18  Putin's Russia is in Kyoto for the money, plain and simple. Their base numbers will bring in billions. Also, they will get into the WTO. Russia is acting like a 3rd world country. The EU is willing to give them billions of their taxpayers hard earned Euros without even a blink of the eye. It is all about money, the environmental issues are just a smokescreen.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/23/2004 16:13 Comments || Top||

#19  Clinton signed Kyoto to enhance his own personal popularity around the globe, pure and simple. He knew it didn't have a chance in the Senate.

The fact that the greens & Marxists are finding common ground is interesting but they're fundamentally very different groups. Marxists want to control the means of production, greens want to destroy it and send us back to the pre-industrial age. I could be wrong but that doesn't seem like a stable alliance.
Posted by: AzCat || 10/23/2004 17:25 Comments || Top||

#20  Even if Russia sells their carbon credits, the idea was that the United States was supposed to be the buyer, not the Euros.
Posted by: Ptah || 10/23/2004 17:37 Comments || Top||

#21  In a very few years, with EU regs and Kyoto in place, they won't need these "carbon credits", heh.
Posted by: .com || 10/23/2004 17:40 Comments || Top||

#22  Y'all are forgetting something about the Kyoto accord:

The Europeans have never meant to abide by it.

Oh, they signed it, they ratified it (mostly), they wax eloquently on it, but as with many other solemn, sacred international treaties, they'll dump that sucker the moment it becomes inconvenient.

Remember the solemn, sacred financial accord the EU states signed to get their budget deficits reined in? Who's been the biggest defaulter since?

Why, the French of course. Quelle surprise!

The Kyoto accord has been aimed at one country all along: the US. They put in exemptions for India and China, they used funny numbers for Russia and others, they cooked the numbers as much as they dared for Europe, and they've prepared an extra-special edition of the "blind eye" for their friends. They've never intended to honor the sucker.

But we were supposed to. And every time we didn't, some NGO or LLL interest group would complain loudly and sue Uncle Sugar. They'd get us all tied up in legal knots. There would be grave pronouncements at international meetings comdeming American violations. Kyoto would be used in our elections with the malefactors (e.g., Republicans, factory owners, utilities, oil companies, etc) all on the defensive.

Kyoto has nothing to do with the environment, and everything to do with restraining the US.
Posted by: Steve White || 10/23/2004 18:58 Comments || Top||


World unprepared for major flu pandemic, vaccine expert warns
It's only a matter of time before a deadly flu pandemic strikes, an international vaccine expert has warned, saying that the world is ill-prepared to cope with a major outbreak of the disease - possibly because the manufacture of vaccines is governed by profit. "We are talking about a killer influenza that would kill probably tens of millions of people," John D. Clemens, director of the International Vaccine Institute, said Friday. "We're not talking about if, we're talking about when."

The United States is suffering a shortage of flu vaccines after a British supplier, Chiron Corp., was barred from shipping between 46 million and 48 million doses to the nation because of contamination at its plant. "The current shortage of vaccine in the United States can be attributed to reliance on too few producers," Clemens said in an exclusive interview with The Associated Press. "Globally, in terms of vaccine development and production that could respond quickly to a killer influenza pandemic, we're inadequately prepared."

Clemens - whose institute has been helping to introduce new vaccines against diarrhea infections, bacterial meningitis and mosquito-born viral diseases for developing nations since 1999 - warned that similar supply disruptions could hit vaccines against other pandemics. "Something like 80 percent of the world's measles vaccines come from one company in India," Clemens said. "If that company had a problem like Chiron had, it would be a disaster."
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/23/2004 12:43:35 AM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  So we'll all wear face masks, and wash our hands a lot. With such basic precautions, I don't see the First World nations reaching epidemic conditions.

As for the rest of the world, unfortunately they will suffer as they always have. But then, they wouldn't have been able to afford to vaccinate their citizens anyway. On the other hand, except for those suffering from AIDS or war-induced famine, the world population overall is healthier, therefore more resistant, than ever in the history of the species.

I suspect there will be a quick die-off of the most succeptible as the disease travels around the globe, and then a few clusters of cases, much like the SARS epidemic.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/23/2004 1:31 Comments || Top||

#2  This Mr Clemens, from the IVV in Seoul, is being rather disingenuous.

If he's talking about a flu pandemic, he's referring to something on the scale of the "Spanish Flu" (link1 / link2 / link3 / link4) - and there won't be a single dose of vaccine available - it will have to be custom engineered after it appears. By phreakin' definition to become pandemic it'll be highly virulent, highly contagious and, in a very short timespan, killing many - almost everywhere. It will be something we are unprepared for - because we can't be - there is no way to know precisely what gene-jumping has occurred until it's loose, killing people, recognized and correctly diagnosed, sampled, and a vaccine is reverse-engineered. That takes time, luck, and smarts, not stupid statements.

What a scare-mongering dickhead. Must want some grant money (big surprise).
Posted by: .com || 10/23/2004 1:48 Comments || Top||

#3  "World Unprepared for Giant Rat of Sumatra, Famous Detective Warns"
Posted by: mojo || 10/23/2004 2:10 Comments || Top||

#4  The famous Hemlock Stones, I presume, Mojo.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/23/2004 2:38 Comments || Top||

#5  "Captain Tripps":The Stand.Damned good book.
I'm not a fan of Stephen King,but I like this one.
Posted by: raptor || 10/23/2004 8:47 Comments || Top||

#6  .com is absolutely right. The odds of being prepared to deal with a pandemic are miniscule. Flu shots are a crapshoot anyway. The white coats get together and GUESS what three of the innumerable strains of flu will be the problem that year and make a blended vaccine to cover them. If they guess right, there is some protection; if, as is likely, they guess wrong, the flu shot is worthless.
Posted by: RWV || 10/23/2004 12:02 Comments || Top||

#7  "...possibly because the manufacture of vaccines is governed by profit..."
.com is right on the money. It's not about saving lives -- it's about the vaccine research establishment getting more routine government handouts instead of having to justify their existence to the shareholders -- which they probably can't. This is like trying to justify NASA funding on the basis that someday it may save us from an asteroid hit.
Posted by: Tom || 10/23/2004 12:35 Comments || Top||

#8  Read the awesome non-fiction book, The Coming Plague, now 10 yrs old but still spot-on and available used and cheap, now - as low as $6 on amazon - and get the shit scared out of yourself, heh. I read this book when it was brand-new in hardback. Never saw things the same again, afterwards. I had a Singapore Air stew beside me on an overnight Pacific flight for hours reading along - gasping every few minutes and asking - did that really happen? I was so deep into it I didn't even try to hit on her.

When the next influenza bad boy shows up, I'll be one of the canaries - gone in the first wave. You guys get to pick up the pieces.
Posted by: .com || 10/23/2004 15:11 Comments || Top||

#9  note that the flu vaccine comes from eggs and as noted above, is geared for certain strains. Impossible to stock ahead for a Superflu
Posted by: Frank G || 10/23/2004 15:18 Comments || Top||

#10  After the strain has been determined, how long is the manufacturing process before the bottles are ready to ship? Anybody know out there?
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/23/2004 15:29 Comments || Top||

#11  Long enough that Important People and medical first responders will scarf up all the doses, leaving very little for the general population until the worst is over. I still hold by my prediction above, though. The world is very different now than it was in 1918 (especially since the epidemiologists now seem to believe that the Spanish Flu pandemic actually started in about 1916 in the English army camps -- they kept their food animals penned up not too far from the hospitals. And the men were so very fond of pork, duck and chicken.)
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/23/2004 21:56 Comments || Top||


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Angry Driver burns car after getting ticket in Iran
Manhattan meter maids, are you reading this? lol
An incensed Iranian motorist doused his car in petrol and set it ablaze with a match after picking up a parking ticket. Iran's ISNA student news service posted photographs of the charred shell of the car on its website and quoted witnesses describing the driver's frantic but fruitless pleas to the parking attendant not to issue a ticket. "Extremely angry, he took a jerrycan of petrol out of the boot and set fire to his car," ISNA quoted a witness in south Tehran saying.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/23/2004 6:33:40 AM || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I'll burn my car that will show you! Oh Shi... WAIT!! MY CAR!!!
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/23/2004 6:52 Comments || Top||

#2  I think deep down there is a link between the mental attitude that produces this and the attitude which produces suicide bombers.
Posted by: jackal || 10/23/2004 17:58 Comments || Top||

#3  It was a rental. It was from the jihadis' favorite: Hurtz-Rent-a-Bomb. People just don't respect rentals.
Posted by: .com || 10/23/2004 18:03 Comments || Top||

#4  I thought they carried acid, not gas
Posted by: Frank G || 10/23/2004 18:06 Comments || Top||

#5  That's an upgrade, heh. Remote control comes with the premium models.
Posted by: .com || 10/23/2004 18:07 Comments || Top||


Africa: North
Main opposition party in Tunisia withdraws from elections
The main opposition party in Tunisia withdrew its 89 candidates in the forthcoming parliamentary elections, saying that the government prevented them from reaching their message to the voters.
Dumb move. It guarantees you'll be without any power after the election. Tunisia isn't Saddam-era Iraq.
One official in the progressive democratic party asked to be anonymous said that the candidates of the party withdrew in protest of the several obstacles placed by the government to prevent them from reaching the voters, including the confiscation of the final statement, adding that the decision will be announced today ( Friday) in a press conference held by the party leadership.
Plenty of non-traditional ways of getting your message out.
The progressive democratic party announced it will boycott the presidential elections, saying it fears that the elections which will be held on Sunday will open up the door before reviving the tradition of "life-long" presidency.

On Sunday, Tunisian voters will head to the ballot boxes to chose members of the parliament and the president of the country.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/23/2004 11:11:46 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Click the link to this 'Arab News.com' story and notice the 'Help John Kerry Win" &...."Four More Years of Bush?" ads!

The Kerry crowd is activly seeking $$$$$$ through placed ads on a pro-Islamic news web-site or sites? It sure looks like it!

Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/23/2004 11:31 Comments || Top||

#2  Those are google ads (like on this site) and are chosen based on the the page content.
Posted by: ed || 10/23/2004 11:39 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
Red v. Blue: an experiment in t-shirt wearing
Pretending to be a Republican in Blue California.
I live solidly in "Blue" to-its-core Venice, Calif., a neighborhood so left-wing that anyone spotted in a Bush button is more likely to be a costumed trick-or-treater than an actual GOP voter. As a political and journalistic experiment, I decided to see how people who live in primarily one-party areas would react when faced with a living, breathing member of the opposition. I appointed myself an ambassador to bridge the Red-Blue divide and ventured into each side's territory dressed in the T-shirt, campaign button, and tote bag of the other...

For four days, I wandered Republican areas in a Kerry-Edwards shirt and button and loitered in the heart of Democratic country in styles by Bush-Cheney '04. I treated each foray as a run-of-the-mill busy day—visiting malls, stores, restaurants, coffee shops, and parks. I didn't try to provoke the opposition; I simply lived an active consumer's life while dressed in a great big Bush or Kerry T-shirt. I avoided any specifically political place, such as campaign headquarters, and any venue where politics would likely be discussed, such as churches or bookstores. The idea was not to see how people would deal with overt opposition but how the mere existence of a political opponent would be tolerated. And so, campaign logo on my chest, and no small amount of mortal terror in my heart, I sallied forth to see if political freedom would pass the T-shirt test in our two Americas, Red and Blue.

In my Kerry-Edwards shirt, I enter Red America certain that I am on the verge of inciting to rage a gang of angry yachtsmen who would soon be strapping me and my lefty leisurewear to their mizzenmast. Instead, I encounter only shades of indifference... Dressed to impress in my Bush-Cheney T-shirt, tote bag, and "W." button... A fashionably dressed woman seated at a sidewalk table makes a disgusted face at the sight of me. On line at Psychobabble coffee house, another woman in a blue velour tracksuit rolls her eyes and grimaces at me with undisguised hatred. Realizing there are no seats but the one next to me, she stares intently into her cup, avoiding my polluting glance, until another table opens and she quickly relocates. Out on the avenue once again, I am gifted with my second "Asshole" of the day, this time muttered by a young man with bright dyed raspberry hair... Driving home, I rip off my Bush-Cheney shirt so I can walk the streets of my neighborhood unjeered at and without terrifying little children....
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/23/2004 3:07:25 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Very interesting, of course it's not a scientific endevour by any means, but it did seem obvious that he was treated with far more tolerance by the "red staters" than he was by the "blue".

I can't seem to grasp how being so intolerant makes one progressive?
Posted by: RJB in JC MO || 10/23/2004 22:45 Comments || Top||

#2  Its simple.
If you are left - why then being classless and free you are incapable of having CLASS!
Posted by: 3dc || 10/24/2004 1:09 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Economy
One Economy, Two Spins
The media have hammered President George W. Bush on the employment issue despite 13 straight months of positive job creation and other good economic news. The October 8, 2004 jobs report was the latest evidence that they treat Bush far more critically than they treated President Bill Clinton on the same issue – sometimes even for the same results.
Much much more at the link. All very interesting if not at all surprising.
Posted by: AzCat || 10/23/2004 12:26:20 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:



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